00:02:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:06:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:24:51 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:25:19 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44:04 -!- psyshvl has quit [Quit: stuff] 00:47:14 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:25:54 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:09 is there a reason enchanters start with darts and a short sword instead of a dagger and stabbing skill, despite them being heavily stabbing-oriented? 01:32:45 Darts+corona. 01:55:31 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 02:04:04 hm. 02:04:30 Not sure re: short sword. 02:05:17 due, I have an unfinished hive:2 map here 02:05:34 due, the problem is, I don't know where to put loot. And there should be loot on Hive:2. 02:06:07 sprunge and let me see? 02:06:40 http://sprunge.us/FdBH 02:07:21 Small hive is small. 02:07:50 Clearly you should have secret rooms on eithe rside of the queen-bee chamber. 02:08:02 This seems to me to be the logical location. 02:09:57 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:04 galehar!!! 02:10:16 galehar, I have pplaced two implementables with patches on the tracker. Would you be able to look over these for me? 02:10:52 sure 02:11:33 due, yeah, that's the idea I've had, too, but I am not sure how to do them properly 02:12:04 galehar: They're both marked [Patch] and tiles. 02:12:25 yes, I have found them. 02:12:49 Crash when going upstairs in the Slime Pits... (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3108) by Twilight 02:13:02 due, the fact there are two chambers is kind of problematic... and how to hide them? Secret doors? Wax walls with no hint whatsoever that there is a room behind it? 02:15:28 due: I don't really know much how tiles work. I have only played with the interface so far, not the cells themselves. But I'm interested. I'll look into it. 02:15:48 due: for #3106, you've uploaded the .swp file 02:15:52 :S 02:15:56 OOPS. 02:16:27 galehar: 3106 almost drove me to tears. 02:17:03 There we go! 02:17:40 due: is #3106 a step toward drawing clouds behind monsters? 02:17:48 galehar: Pos..sibly? 02:17:56 I think it would definitely help. 02:18:05 ok 02:18:06 It would allow for a specific cloud field in the packed_cell struct. 02:18:19 Which could then be drawn first and then the monster on top of it. 02:18:20 So sure! 02:18:48 The main implementations I was thinking of was allowing for further aereas (ie, liquefaction, tornado effects) without having to make new flags (impossible seeing as we've reached the limit). 02:19:47 (The other on ebeing my secret plan to make Swamp less ugly.) 02:20:38 hrm 02:21:13 I like the word "instatiated". 02:21:17 Almost as much as "burgeoning". 02:26:05 you mean instantiated? 02:26:44 Yeah, that. 02:26:46 :D 02:30:06 lol, 3103 doesn't even compile 02:30:16 dbg-asrt.cc:40:11: error: missing binary operator before token "(" 02:30:29 this one is hilarious: 02:30:29 dbg-asrt.cc:40:5: warning: "define" is not defined 02:34:22 :( 02:34:32 Should'v ebeen defined, I think. 02:34:54 Yeah, if define -> if defined 02:35:02 Like I said, I couldn't even test it to compile it. 02:37:41 ok 02:45:03 appart from the typo and a missing include (SDL_syswm.h), the windows tiles assert patch works great. 02:45:20 :D! 02:45:24 good work doing that blind! 02:45:25 Yes I wasn't sure about the include. 02:45:42 Wow, I'm actually quite proud of myself :D 02:45:53 So is that all the change that needs to be made? I might apply the patch, tweak it, and then push... 02:46:19 Unless you wish to? 02:46:32 no, do it 02:46:38 :D 02:48:01 flex 2.5.4 doesn't support --nounput (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3109) by ahpla 02:48:05 I've pasted the diff with the fix on mantis 02:53:02 galehar: Hm, doesn't appear to be posted yet 02:53:09 Oh, there it is 02:53:39 :) 02:53:49 (I was refreshing the wrong bug) 02:54:54 galehar: Are both SDL includes required? 02:55:02 I suppose it shouldn't hurt too much to include both of them... 02:55:12 let me test 02:57:05 Windows development builds on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-4217-g51afd0a 02:58:56 SDL.h isn't necessary 02:59:16 Excellent, thanks. 03:02:09 Hooray assert dialogs! 03:02:12 03due * r6f4ba073f75a 10/crawl-ref/source/dbg-asrt.cc: Generate a Windows Alert dialog on assertions (Tiles). 03:03:11 Re flex: BSD :( 03:15:58 wtf... flex 2.5.4 is from 1996 03:16:05 "lol". 03:16:08 Good old BSD! 03:16:56 good things shouldn't be changed! 03:17:03 cf, nethack? 03:17:06 I had to dig around to find that, changelogs were trimmed in 2001 03:17:31 I'll just remove the --nounput 03:17:35 Thats a looong time. 03:17:49 due: let's say, 3.4.3 wasn't the ideal version to stop development 03:17:51 There's supposed to be a #define you can use to prevent yyunput from being generated, but support for that also seems patchy 03:18:16 greensnark: I guess there might be other problems, it might be safer to use prebuilt yaccage in such cases 03:18:31 03greensnark * rdd76e9b60799 10/crawl-ref/source/util/Makefile: Don't use flex --nounput flag since support for it varies and it's used only to get rid of a compiler warning. 03:20:14 I don't think the level compiler has issues with very old flex and bison 03:20:47 Mac OS 10.4 had a bison 1.something version and that used to produce some strange complaints, but the built compiler worked fine 03:21:08 Don't know if it still works though, you had to add a lot of empty actions { } everywhere to keep it happy 03:21:18 And as soon as I got off 10.4 I stopped caring :P 03:21:40 :) 03:22:53 -!- sorear has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:52 greensnark: apple feels the same about 10.4 :D 03:25:14 greensnark, why do I find it strange that vault tags in map_def are stored in a string? 03:25:29 Zaba: Change it to a set :) 03:25:44 (if it troubles you) 03:26:21 stringilious 03:26:33 But change it to a tag_set class that uses whatever set/xyz structure 03:42:11 -!- Unrodney has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:18 Unrodney: asciidreams_vote 03:42:19 bhaak: ToME 4.0.0, 384, Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, 294, Dwarf Fortress, 171, DoomRL, 95, Rogue Survivor, 69, Angband, 44, UnNetHack, 34, Goblin Camp, 34, Brogue, 32, POWDER, 31 (Votes: 981, Poll closed) 03:42:25 -!- Unrodney has left ##crawl-dev 03:43:02 ... wtf? 03:43:11 Did tthat go up by over 150 within the last 9 hours? 03:44:24 Hm, no, more like 90 or so votes. 03:44:34 I see NetHack doesn't even get a mention :) 03:44:49 how could it? it's about releases in 2010 :) 03:45:42 h :) 03:45:44 *Ah :) 03:45:48 I was unaware. 03:46:18 wow, TOME bugged on me and i needed to kill -9 it to get it to die 03:46:41 is tome any good 03:46:54 I don't really knoow. 03:47:00 "it's not crawl" :) 03:47:04 it's ok, except it uses MMO style combat 03:47:10 cooldowns and stuff 03:47:14 Meh. 03:47:34 ToME's based on Angband, which is already about as far from Crawl as you can get and still be a roguelike 03:47:43 and, IIRC, made it even further away 03:49:52 in fact, for a while I thought Crawl's design decisions were just based on being as unlike Angband as possible 03:51:19 -!- sorear has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:23 i think, before crawl (or maybe dcss, I don't know how the original crawl played like), you had angband and nethack as the opposing ends of roguelike types 03:54:08 what do you have now? 03:55:23 crawl is further from angband than nethack is 03:55:28 :) 03:55:36 thus making a better typical example of a hacklike 03:55:54 a little ironic, really 03:56:54 I think we have a triangle 03:57:13 Well, crawl is on the "less obtuse" corner and nethack is on the "lol you died again sucks to be you" corner. 03:57:13 angband is grindy, nethack is spoily, crawl is strategy 03:57:58 at least I'm told it's strategy, for me it's still "lol you died again sucks to be you" :) 04:00:36 well, I mean, Crawl has the whole "you aren't meant to be invincible even if you've got ten runes already" thing going, Angband has the "you could go straight to the level before the final boss if you wanted, but first you'll have to spend eight months grinding to be powerful enough", NetHack is somewhere in between 04:01:07 Angband's all about collecting members of a huge set of resistances, by grinding until you get them 04:01:08 nethack: "lol, you died again, you should have read this spoiler", angband: "lol, you died again, you should have been more patient and kept grinding", crawl: "lol, you died again, you should have used your brain" 04:01:40 galehar: actually, Crawl kills you by bad luck more than the other games do; I suspect that's deliberate 04:01:57 in NetHack, at least when you die, it's nearly always your fault 04:02:09 (case in point: even fully spoiled players often take months until their first ascension) 04:16:15 ais: Eh? Admittedly I've only played DCSS and ADOM from the major rogue-likes, but past level 1 (and even a lot of the time there) your deaths are almost all your own fault. 04:16:24 And I feel that way with Crawl moreso than ADOM for sure. 04:18:15 well, the design documents, at least, imply that Crawl should try to give random challenges, and it's inevitable that some will be too hard for the player 04:18:21 although I find my Crawl games mostly die to typos 04:18:46 certainly, many of my Sprint games die to bad luck, but that's to be expected as I startscum for combat luck in the first couple of rooms 04:18:56 "Angband's all about collecting members of a huge set of resistances, by grinding until you get them" <- myth 04:19:57 hmm, really? 04:20:25 certainly, that's how most Angband players I know describe it, although I don't know many 04:21:34 you don't need most resists and they aren't that hard to get... you can certainly grind for them at shallow depths if you want, but it is better to dive to more interesting depths because item generation becomes a lot better as you go deeper 04:22:08 yep, I'm aware you can complete pretty much the whole game on dlvl 1 04:22:14 and that it's faster to go deeper 04:22:26 the resistance/depth concept certainly exists, at least 04:22:45 that looks like grinding to me :) go deeper to find what you need, pop up and then go deeper again. 04:22:46 but then, it does to some extent in pretty much all roguelikes 04:22:48 a lot of people die while grinding at "safe" depths to out of depth monsters while waiting for resistances 04:23:13 elliptic: well, this is one of the things I meant by saying that Crawl's the polar opposite of Angband 04:23:15 the point is that it is actually usually a better option to dive into "unsafe" depths so you are giving the RNG less time to kill you 04:23:18 it doesn't really have a concept of safe depth 04:23:25 neither does angband 04:23:28 that's my point 04:23:41 well, it's possible to formulate such a concept even if it's a myth 04:24:15 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:24 and analogous behavior does exist in crawl... people who grind the abyss for hours for an item that they think they absolutely need before they go to pan 04:24:28 in NetHack, you talk about the risk of going in certain directions 04:24:48 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:53 e.g. going below minetown without reflection is perfectly possible, but people prefer not to as it's risky 04:26:05 but in nethack you can postpone going below minetown 04:26:12 indeed 04:26:34 in crawl, the devteam is actually trying to make grinding not worthwile 04:26:36 an interesting, and major, part of the strategy of the game is the risk/reward tradeoff for various branches 04:26:48 minetown, sokoban, dungeons, "low dungeons" like the Castle 04:26:57 and then it stops, and the whole game just dries up below there 04:27:01 sokoban has risk? :P 04:27:05 yes :) 04:27:10 elliptic: indeed 04:27:18 yes to elliptic and ais523 :) 04:27:25 if you go there too late or underequipped, definitely 04:27:27 Sokoban has risk in the same sense that engraving Elbereth is such a risky proposition that it balances itself :P 04:27:50 greensnark: not true :) a lot of characters die in sokoban 04:27:50 the individual monsters that spawn can be quite hard to deal with 04:28:00 and Sokoban's close to the furthest from ideal terrain possible for fighting 04:28:05 It never fails to amuse me how many NH players claim that Elbereth is perfectly ok because sometimes you screw it up and die :P 04:28:15 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:30 greensnark: I playedNetHack for several hours the other day and forgot about elbereth. 04:28:31 greensnark: if you use Elbereth as it was probably intended, writing it only in emergencies, it's balanced 04:28:44 what isn't balanced about it is spamming it 8 or 9 times every time you see motion in the distance 04:28:50 which is, unfortunately, the best tactic 04:29:09 perhaps it wasn't very well thought out 04:29:11 I happen to think it's hilarious broken when used in emergencies 04:29:12 ais523: Crawl's opinion in this regard is that, if something can be abused, it should be made so that it couldn't. 04:29:18 due: indeed 04:29:26 And that Elbereth's brokenness has led to further design idiocy in an attempt to alleviate its worst effects 04:29:29 That there are "Elbereth" technique pages... 04:29:33 I suspect it would be the nethack devteam's opinion too, except they're really bad at noticing brokenness 04:29:38 greensnark: The easiest option would be to delete it. 04:29:42 due: Agreed 04:29:45 as in, I suspect they honestly haven't noticed the abuse that exists 04:30:06 greensnark: what's the further design idiocy there in your opinion? 04:30:07 greensnark: "further design idiocy"? what do you mean/ 04:30:11 yeah, how is it not broken in emergencies either? it is essentially a really really good emergency spell with a low failure rate that anyone can use from turn 1 04:30:29 bhaak: Elaborate code to wipe out engravings, arbtrary list of monsters that ignore Elbereth 04:30:32 28% is a pretty high failure rate if it's the only thing between you and death all the time 04:30:40 it's likely to fail at least once within a few uses 04:30:47 greensnark: oh, I suspect those would have been there anyway 04:30:54 It's not the only thing between you and death all the time 04:31:22 the first is to prevent you fighting on Elbereth (unfortunately, it doesn't actually work as you can just stack Es first), the second is entirely flavour 04:31:45 the list isn't arbitrary at all; it's a list of things which, in the environment of Lord of the Rings, would be unlikely to be scared by the name of an elven goddess 04:31:51 any gameplay relevance is entirely coincidental 04:31:56 moin guys 04:32:25 galehar: does your public key end with "...E02pQkU/" ? IRC messages tend to be cut if too long. 04:32:39 unfortunately, vanilla nethack doesn't have atheistic demons :) 04:33:01 I love Python. It lets me do naughty things like class closures to do x,y swapping with regards multidimensional arrays :D 04:33:01 Napkin: no it doesn't 04:33:21 galehar: better send it via email at napkin@develz.org, please 04:33:27 ok 04:33:32 ais523: It's entirely arbitrary. You're telling me Demogorgon is going to be afraid of a flipping scribble in the dust? :P 04:33:53 greensnark: he's a demon, that's about as close to the Nazgul as you can get 04:34:16 Save us from NH types and their logic :) 04:34:30 due: you highlighted me a few hours ago - I am around now - what's up? :) 04:34:47 the list of E-ignorers is actually pretty short and simple: elves (and mostly-elf humanoids, but there aren't any); humans (and minotaurs, mostly human humanoids); angels 04:34:51 that's it IIRC 04:35:13 Napkin: Oh, galehar fixed it for me :) I needed to build a version of tiles for Windows with a patch in it, and then test to see whether it worked on a Windows platform :) 04:35:15 I could say that Crawl has an equally arbitrary list of monsters immune to mephitic cloud 04:35:24 Napkin: But it does work, so the patch is now in trunk :D 04:35:30 ofc, in vanilla, the list is too short. it should include all monsters :) 04:35:30 awesome :) 04:35:32 not to mention, harder to remember 04:35:42 ais523: You don't need to remember now, though, as it's listed in description. 04:35:45 xv is such an awkward keystroke 04:35:54 sucks to be you :) 04:35:54 Mephitic cloud isn't exactly a zero-cost spell that any idiot can use :) 04:35:57 ;) 04:36:09 greensnark: Unfortunately it's treated like one and every idiot wants it ;) 04:36:12 I do agree MC is still OP 04:36:18 due: I'm saying that, even though there are in-game spoilers in Crawl, you actually need to keep looking them up 04:36:39 But comparing it to Elbereth is like pointing out the speck in thy neighbour's eye, when look, there is a beam in thine own :P 04:36:45 I'm not sure if there's a way around that, other than silly things like incorporating poison resistance into the color of the monsters onscreen 04:36:52 greensnark: oh, I know Elbereth's problematic 04:36:53 That sentence always cracked me up 04:36:55 greensnark: I find it amusing that another translating uses "rafter". 04:37:04 due: I've also seen "plank" 04:37:05 greensnark: OH MY GOD SOMEONE'S WHITE WATER RAFTING IN YOUR EYE! 04:37:29 I have several Septuagint Greek grammars and a trigram version of the New Testament. 04:37:33 I'm just cheerfully sitting here in the knowledge that a) while disastrous, it's not as disastrous as Crawl devs make out, b) it's not my fault 04:38:16 ais523: I'm sure it could be your fault ;) 04:38:28 But yes, in my opinion we should just remove mephitic cloud. It removes all the worrying. 04:38:51 and what about evaporation 04:38:59 ais523: Variant maintainer who does not fix it => it's your fault :) 04:39:06 monky: That is less troublesome as it requires reagents. 04:39:14 At least Spork makes an effort to fix it 04:39:25 I do think ripping it out entirely would be best though 04:39:29 greensnark: the goal of my variant is explicitly not to fix those sort of balance problems in vanilla 04:39:33 which is rather convenient 04:39:44 ais523: Yeah, which is why I think your variant has issues of purpose :) 04:39:49 Things that are creepy: I have one of those small artist's mannequins. I never move it, but every time I look at it I notice that it's carefully posed *and I did not pose it thus*. :S 04:39:54 ais523: Anyway, it's a good first step 04:39:57 Also, that was suposed to go in ##crawl-offtopic, sorry. 04:40:00 I like your interface changes 04:40:04 thanks 04:40:13 I mean, interface changes and bugfixes is pretty much all it is 04:40:18 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:20 But if the variant gets popular you'll eventually have to make it more 04:40:22 so there were only two things you could really complement me on 04:40:26 greensnark: ripping it out completely will get you the wrath of all vanilla players 04:40:37 bhaak: Surely vanilla players can play something else? :) 04:40:38 due: I think that meph could be balanced if the numbers were tweaked sufficiently, no need to remove it entirely 04:40:53 bhaak: So what? The good players will deal with it; the bad players will become better 04:41:00 the problem with it is just that it is too reliable and the confusion lasts too long against stuff that doesn't have large HD 04:41:12 both of those could be tweaked 04:41:15 Sprint I is good evidence for luck-based balance issues in Crawl, incidentally 04:41:20 although I suspect they're less of an issue in the full game 04:41:35 Well, reliability is impossible to determine; you can't just make it more likely to fail. Duration is easier, however. 04:41:36 I was playing it as a FeTM a lot, the start of it is massively influenced by which monsters happen to drop corpses 04:41:43 I'm still partial to that overnerf idea of making meph cloud only spawn clouds around the player 04:42:10 monky: at least one good Crawl player recommended the strategy of repeatedly mephing your own square in Hive to me 04:42:11 whats the obsession with making casters get in melee range of stuff 04:42:15 due: why can't you just make it more likely to fail? 04:43:00 such a nerf already happened once and it helped 04:43:06 really? 04:43:07 greensnark: you won't get players in the first place if all the loud people in the community will say "OMFG, $variant is so hard! it has no elbereth! don't play it before you've ascended all role/race/gender combinations in vanilla". There already is an issue that players _think_ they should start with vanilla 04:43:17 due: it has a straight-up chance-to-fail check 04:43:17 it just wasn't a large enough nerf, especially at the low end of things 04:43:29 Eronarn: The actual spell being cast or the cloud affecting monsters? 04:43:38 The latter makes sense; the former is ... odd to me. 04:43:40 hmm, variables you could change with meph: how long the cloud persists; how long a monster has to stay in the cloud until they're affected on average (i.e. success chance); chance a monster becomes immune to a particular cloud after saving from it; how long the monster stays confused once affected; the effect of confusion itself; effect of monster HD/resistances on all those 04:43:43 i think it's a property of the cloud rather than the spell 04:43:51 due: chance of a monster resisting each turn is currently HD/21, it used to be HD/27 04:43:53 but it's not like other things that generate meph clouds are balanced 04:43:58 and yeah, of course I mean the cloud 04:44:07 Ahhhh. 04:44:31 ais523: I like the "buildup" aspect. 04:44:38 ais523: Actually, I like all of these ideas. 04:45:04 lots of variables that can be played with, yeah 04:45:33 i like making it not-guaranteed-3x3 + making meph-induced confusion wear off much, much faster 04:45:37 the HD/27 -> HD/21 nerf was enough to make meph no longer ridiculous in late game 04:45:52 HD/17? 04:45:53 now we just need more nerfs to handle earlier on 04:45:54 :) 04:46:09 (Joking). 04:46:24 due: I was just listing all the knobs you could twiddle if you wanted to nerf or buff meph I could think of 04:46:27 oh, here's another: size of the cloud 04:47:03 another: nerf effect of confusion on monsters 04:47:05 ais523: Yes, but I haven't touched the code recently nor played with it in ages so it's difficult for me to remember all of the variables. Having you list them makes me think that there is indeed hope. 04:47:46 monky: I listed that one already 04:47:49 oh 04:47:53 due: some of them may not be explicit in the code 04:48:17 oh there it is, second to last on the big list 04:48:18 I know my experience from playing Crawl is that confusion was ridiculously powerful both against monsters and players, but that was several versions ago 04:55:42 I've... not played much recently 04:55:52 galehar: any luck with 3106/packed_cell? 04:56:05 I'm looking into it now 04:56:24 <3! 04:56:54 It's also possible thatmy instantiation of a new packed_cell from the member of screen_cell_t is issueous. 05:00:14 tilereg-dgn.cc:111 ? 05:03:02 hey greensnark? 05:03:27 anyway, going home. see u later. 05:04:12 o/ 05:04:23 Napkin: ? 05:04:36 I have horribly choppy DSL, so speak quick :) 05:04:39 did you get my messages about scoring page? 05:04:51 Oh, right, they should be fixed now. Forgot to tell you 05:04:56 oh, nothing important 05:05:00 oh, cool :) 05:05:01 thanks! 05:05:09 I didn't think anybody looked at the stable scoring pages :) 05:05:24 hehehe 05:05:38 so it has a good side that i play stable only after all :D 05:07:09 works great, thanks :) 05:09:00 03j-p-e-g * r1cf9778054ab 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Store vault-defined tile names in the save. 05:09:02 03j-p-e-g * r5efdb5dd4cbb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc l_dgntil.cc mapdef.cc mapdef.h tags.cc): Also store default floor and rock tile names in the save. 05:09:03 03j-p-e-g * rf02884c98be4 10/crawl-ref/source/l_dgntil.cc: Also store tile names defined via lua triggers. 05:09:14 03j-p-e-g * r8a8900b6d6e8 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Storing tile names: fix console compilation. 05:09:46 soon the whole game will be saved in a savegame ;> 05:11:07 We need an in-game emacs where the elisp is saved in the .cs 05:11:20 hehe 05:11:34 You should be able to C-x C-f a new character 05:11:50 ewmacs? 05:11:54 FR: implement Crawl in emacs lisp 05:12:17 The display layer is handled for you right there 05:12:47 I thought you only supported modern OS? 05:12:57 Emacs is modern! 05:13:07 Wait, you're an emacs user too 05:13:36 hehe :) 05:13:41 * due uses gvim. :) 05:13:50 Which basically makes me hated by everyone. 05:13:50 I also use viper in emacs 05:14:03 vim users go "OMFG, gui vim? EW!"; emacs users go, "OMFG, vim? EW!" 05:14:08 * due editor-war pariah. 05:22:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:22:26 greensnark: I've started writing my own roguelike :) 05:26:59 due: Cool :) 05:27:15 Does it use Python? :P 05:27:26 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:50 there is something inconvenient about playing vampire necromancer 05:27:59 greensnark: yes :D 05:28:06 greensnark: johanna wants to help :) 05:28:19 I am psychic, I just knew it would be in Python! 05:28:29 Beware my mad psychic powers 05:28:43 I looove python. 05:28:56 I know :) 05:29:11 when chopping the body, you'll get a message, that there's a skeleton to your feet. but if you drink the corpse, no such message is shown, which is incovenient for animate skeletons. 05:29:42 Napkin: Sounds bugworthy 05:30:02 iekko> I looked for an existing bug in mantis, but did not found anything about that. 05:30:06 iekko> I will do so then. 05:30:07 excellent :) 05:31:26 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 05:42:22 03galehar * r67f4a8195744 10/crawl-ref/source/windowmanager-sdl.cc: Don't treat pressing and releasing the mouse button as the same event. 05:47:53 -!- Mu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:49:21 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:35 wb Mu 05:51:53 due, if/when I deem my hive:2 vault completed, shall I just commit it? 05:53:10 Zaba: I don't see why not? 05:54:13 oookay. 05:55:58 tx 05:57:46 Unstable branch on CDO updated to: 0.8.0-a0-4224-g67f4a81 (31.25) 05:58:31 due: do you want to work on the radiant cavern at any point 05:59:17 Whatever happene diwh thtat? 06:00:00 lamil worked on it, made some maps, then disappeared. then rkd made a map (which i don't like) and put it on mantis about 2 months ago. 06:00:23 i just noticed dpeg assigned rkd's mantis to me but i dunno what to really do with the vault tbh 06:00:28 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2684 06:01:53 the monster set on that map is all over the place 06:02:43 fwiw, I don't really like those maps 06:05:08 Non-latin characters not usable in usernames (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3110) by jpeg 06:05:08 or rather, that map 06:05:34 Does anyone have lamil's maps? 06:05:40 I remember liking it... 06:06:13 They're not particularly... cavernous, are they? 06:08:46 not especially 06:12:27 hm. 06:15:33 Zaba: I recommend a moratorium on messages such as "hm.", "hrm", "Hmm", "Hm", "Hmmm" to the channel 06:16:21 greensnark, why? 06:17:06 Zaba: " hm" "Oh, hey, Zaba said something, it must be good!" and then "Oh, I want to smack Zaba with a rolled-up newspaper." 06:17:44 If it's worth saying it's worth saying something meaningful! 06:17:52 greensnark, I'm still pondering where to best put loot on my brand new hive ending vault :P 06:18:02 Zaba: That's more like it :) 06:18:21 Btw, what happened to the plans to change Hive to a portal vault 06:19:20 hive is like okawaru 06:20:18 what the 06:20:26 I just transferred my save and now it won't even load 06:20:30 ..or like that ton of dungeon.cc code that I have removed during the last indefinite timespan 06:20:45 casmith789: what's the error? 06:20:51 everybody knows it's a problem, but nobody's willing to touch it and it just kinda sticks around 06:20:52 um 06:21:02 Looks like save compat issue. 06:21:07 I think it says it crashes 06:21:25 but it lasts for .05s or something 06:21:26 !lm casmith789 06:21:26 6089. [2010-12-31] casmith789 the Severer (L16 KeBe) killed Urug on turn 71691. (D:16) 06:21:38 Napkin: can you see what the crash is with casmith789's save? 06:23:11 ahhh 06:23:33 bet jpeg's recent change changed the map cache code but idn't increase the version 06:24:25 anything i can do? 06:24:32 need the core dump? 06:24:50 can you switch it back to some other version? 06:25:00 Napkin: just the crash message would be good.. 06:25:18 how should I see it? in the morgue? 06:26:05 cool, the first time I trigger a CDO update, it breaks save compat 06:26:09 I'm so proud! 06:26:35