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01:06:01 <Ashenzari> Malign gateway takes too long to become recastable (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2991) by OG17
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01:50:27 <Napkin> not nice, casmith789
01:51:17 <Napkin> I would blame network - because CPU was probably idle...
01:51:49 <Napkin> !tell casmith789 "cdo has been slow and/or unable to connect to" website only or ssh/telnet too?
01:51:49 <Henzell> Napkin: OK, I'll let casmith789 know.
01:51:54 <Napkin> und moin!
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02:40:29 <galehar> morning
02:40:37 <due> hi rahelag
02:48:25 <galehar> does anyone know how I can tell git to ignore submodules when I git pull?
02:49:35 <due> Why are you trying to ignore submodules?
02:49:39 <due> Just do git submodule update.
02:50:20 <galehar> well, I'm at work and don't have access to the main rep
02:50:35 <galehar> I've made a clone on a usb disk
02:50:35 <due> Hm.
02:50:58 <galehar> and I'd like to update from it without to reclone each time
02:51:18 <due> Pull locally and then push to the USB disk?
02:51:35 <due> How are you trying to update from it and what is the issue you're having with submodules?
02:51:48 <galehar> pushing to the usb disk doesn't work well, but that's ok, I make patches
02:52:00 <due> Why doesn't it work?
02:52:13 <galehar> I've made git clone path/to/usb yesterday
02:52:21 <due> git add remote disk file:///media/Disk/repository.git
02:52:25 <due> git push disk master
02:52:53 <galehar> ok, I'll try that
02:53:02 <due> Oh
02:53:04 <due> git remote add, sorry
02:54:25 <due> Just tested it, mkdir ~/test && cd ~/test && git init --bare, cd ~/<clone of a work git repo>, git remote add disk file:///home/persson/test, git push disk master--worked like a charm.
02:54:49 <due> Once you've set it up like that too--you can pull from it into your work repository with "git pull disk master".
02:55:05 <due> And you don't have to do a --bare init.
02:55:20 <galehar> I don't have a repository.git. I just made a local clone on the usb disk, not a real repository
02:55:30 <galehar> so I'll try making one like you explained
02:55:32 <due> A local clone *is* a real repository.
02:55:56 <due> When you clone a repository you get the whole thing.
02:56:10 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:56:19 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:56:29 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:56:36 <due> Ouch.
02:57:12 <galehar> Yes, I know you get everything. But when you try to push to it, git complains.
02:57:12 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:15 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:18 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:20 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:22 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:24 <due> What the hell.
02:57:24 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:26 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:4)
02:57:41 <due> (Temporary, of course.)
02:58:26 <galehar> what version is CDO?
02:58:40 <galehar> that might be my mess
02:58:43 <due> I'm not entirely sure, I haven't played in ages
02:58:48 <due> It's...
02:59:04 <due> 09dc7e2
03:00:28 <greensnark> !lm * crash -log
03:00:29 <Sequell> 316. Mychaelh, XL5 HuFi, T:3422 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Mychaelh/crash-Mychaelh-20101216-085751.txt
03:00:52 <greensnark> Yeah, skill_menu crash
03:00:56 <due> Your upside down pointy witc'h's hat fell off.
03:00:57 <galehar> indeed
03:08:26 <galehar> can I have more info on this crash? Like save file and/or terminal size?
03:09:00 <due> It shoul dbe in the crash file
03:09:24 <due> Or not.
03:09:59 <due> greensnark: Can we put screen size in crashlog?
03:10:18 <greensnark> Yes, why not
03:10:47 <greensnark> A lot of crashes were caused by tiny terms
03:10:57 <greensnark> <80x24
03:12:04 <galehar> doesn't the game refuse to start if you've got a term <80x24?
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03:12:22 <galehar> my code kinda assume this minimal size :(
03:15:31 <galehar> Locally: Terminal too small (80,23); need at least (80,24)
03:15:40 <galehar> Doesn't CDO tell the same?
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03:16:16 <monky> I've seen some termsizes under 80,24, at least on cao
03:17:00 <monky> perhaps you have to edit your rcfile to get it to cooperate?
03:17:18 <monky> reducing message/monster list length or something like that
03:19:55 <greensnark> You can resize your terminal after starting the game
03:21:13 <galehar> so, what's the proper way to deal with it? Should I put an in-game error message and refuse to bring the menu if size is too small?
03:25:51 <greensnark> galehar: Just bail out of the skill menu if the size is too small
03:26:04 <galehar> ok
03:26:05 <sorear> galehar makes arbitrary size assumptions.  bad galehar!
03:26:15 <greensnark> Yes, you can show an error message
03:27:35 <due> Did I unquiet gretell?
03:27:45 <due> looks like.
03:27:48 <due> !lg
03:27:48 <Sequell> 1351. bookofjude the Grave Robber (L1 FeNe), slain by a giant bat on D:1 on 2010-12-14, with 52 points after 251 turns and 0:00:43.
03:27:57 <due> @whereis bookofjude
03:27:57 <Gretell> bookofjude the Grave Robber (L1 FeNe) dead on D:1 on 2010-12-14 after 251 turns.
03:50:41 <kilobyte> galehar: wasn't the minimal supported size 60x24?  or perhaps 60x22?
03:50:42 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
03:50:48 * kilobyte doesn't remember exactly.
03:51:21 <kilobyte> if there's no easy way to do this, I'd just bump the minimal size
03:52:19 <casmith789> !messages
03:52:19 <Henzell> (1/2) gamefreak264 said (1d 7h 56m 21s ago): gamefreak264 wants to know if you still are playing KoL.
03:52:22 <casmith789> !messages
03:52:23 <Henzell> (1/1) Napkin said (2h 34s ago): "cdo has been slow and/or unable to connect to" website only or ssh/telnet too?
03:52:24 <galehar> I thought we forced a minimal size of 80, so I used the extra space
03:52:54 <galehar> to display aptitudes, and also to make the menu to much squeezed
03:52:56 <casmith789> Napkin: I only tried telnet, but it didn't happen all the time, only rarely. Just randomly cut out.
03:53:03 <galehar> *not too much
03:53:50 <Napkin> casmith789: next time that happens.. could you please also check the websites responsiveness?
03:53:56 <casmith789> okay
03:54:09 <Napkin> I dare to blame US prime time, but will keep an eye on it
03:55:45 <galehar> Also, as I said above, we already refuse to start crawl if terminal is smaller than 80x24, so if some smart guy reduce the window after, I will try to not crash in his face but won't get out of my way to provide every features.
03:58:08 <kilobyte> no, the minimum is 61x24
03:58:26 <kilobyte> not sure why 61 not 60, but I just checked
03:59:25 <kilobyte> 60x30 refuses to run, 80x23 refuses, 61x24 runs happily
04:00:13 <kilobyte> the viewport is pretty squeezed and the old skill menu in debug mode doesn't show the numbers for the right column, but I guess it might work in non-debug
04:00:37 <monky> does 80x23 run if you change the message pane size or is that capped too
04:00:54 <kilobyte> no, there's a strict minimum of 24 lines
04:02:20 <kilobyte> which sucks on smartphones as they tend to have even worse than wide screen proportions
04:02:57 * kilobyte doesn't get how people actually fall into that "wide screen" scam for normal monitors
04:03:51 <Napkin> if you get those wide pixels additionally, that's ok.. but 1024x600 and the like sucks...
04:04:03 <galehar> I've always found 16/10 to be a much more comfortable ratio than 4/3 or 5/4. I've bought one as soon as I could (when they were damn expensive)
04:04:54 <kilobyte> well, what do you use that monitor for... watching Hollywood movies?
04:05:01 <monky> I enjoy my widescreen mostly because it fits nicely with tiling; it's like I have a monitor on the left and irc for free all the time on the right
04:05:09 <kilobyte> I'd wish for a decent square or portrait screen
04:05:27 <galehar> for everything
04:05:31 <kilobyte> sadly, pivots tend to suck to the point of uselessness
04:05:41 <galehar> I find the horizontal space useful
04:06:48 <kilobyte> things I do: reading and programming.  For the former, long lines are hard to read.  For the latter, most coding styles (including Crawl's!) mandate 80 column max.
04:08:16 <bhaak> if you have to turn your head to read a line of code, that line of code is too long :)
04:08:52 <kilobyte> yeah... there's a reason books use portrait mode
04:09:12 <sorear> most books are printed in virtual 2up though
04:09:28 <sorear> 2col
04:10:05 <kilobyte> that's only an implementation detail due to the cost of paper
04:11:14 <kilobyte> you don't ever look at both sides at once... one in a hundred books has an inset -- but even then, typically just one
04:14:41 <galehar> The new skill menu uses the full 80 col
04:14:54 <galehar> I can squeeze it down to 66
04:15:21 <kilobyte> if it'd be hard, we can just up the requirement
04:16:25 <galehar> well, it's not too hard to do, but it will look really packed
04:16:58 <galehar> I don't think it's good to make it ugly just for the few guys who have a smaller than 80 term
04:18:33 <galehar> I can make it automatically adapt, but I'm not sure it's worth it to make the code more complex to support 66 wide terminals
04:18:46 <galehar> so I'd say up the requirement
04:20:13 <sorear> note that historically, Crawl required an 80x25 term minimum
04:20:39 <sorear> the minimum has been reduced in the past and we can reduce it in the future
04:21:53 <kilobyte> the old Unix standard is 80x24 and some terminals default to it rather than the PC 80x25 (from original IBM PC hardware text mode)
04:23:10 <sorear> well, Crawl started out as a DOS game
04:23:13 <sorear> not a Unix one
04:31:35 <kilobyte> of course... what I mean is, requiring 25 lines is a no-no, but 80x24 would be fine
04:32:05 <galehar> +1 for 80x24 requirement
04:39:58 <sorear> the only standard I know of narrower than 80x24 is CGA color text mode (40x25), and we don't support that
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05:02:10 <Mu_> hello
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05:17:43 <Zaba> moin
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05:28:04 <Ashenzari> Two New Entries (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2992) by Saegor
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06:44:55 <CIA-12> 03Keskitalo * r767876b734eb 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large.des: Fix some floor tiles in lemuel_castle (#2989).
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08:07:13 <kilobyte> I wonder, is there's a point in supporting Windows-style BOMmed text files on sane platforms?
08:08:01 <kilobyte> for not: slightly smaller code, for yes: that code path has to be written anyway
08:20:28 <galehar> what's a BOMmed text file? Is it "\r\n" line ending?
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08:35:26 <greensnark> galehar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte-order_mark
08:36:32 <galehar> thanks
08:47:18 <bhaak> oh man, I'm so trigger happy for links. i KNOW what it is, nevertheless i clicked it
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08:53:50 <kilobyte> does any of you use Windows often enough to know whether most file viewers do support these?
08:54:22 <kilobyte> I know that at least basically all programs from Microsoft itself do, and so does notepad++
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09:00:10 <Cryp71c> Morning
09:02:01 <kilobyte> ... and so does Crawl now for config files now, but not included lua
09:02:04 <kilobyte> Cryp71c: meow!
09:02:25 <kilobyte> when a lua file recursively includes another one, will it go through clua::loadfile()?
09:04:39 <kilobyte> found it: yay, it does
09:08:42 <Keskitalo> "The spiny frog resists with some effort" <3
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09:26:39 <Cryp71c> Sigh, I fucking hate my job at times...this shit's retarded.
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11:51:46 <Zaba> hmm.
11:54:52 <Zaba> _make_room and _box_room might seem to have a lot in common at first, but the truth is that they are almost completely different
11:55:05 <Zaba> oh well.
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11:56:23 <Zaba> both draw rooms, that's the beginning and the end of the similarities.
11:56:29 <Zaba> they don't even share the idea of what a room is
12:10:38 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L1 MiHu) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:1)
12:11:54 <Gretell> Mychaelh (L1 MiHu) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 782 failed. (D:1)
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12:47:52 <CIA-12> 03zaba * r763ee6df702f 10/crawl-ref/source/maps.cc: Remove a vault placement dprf from vault_main.
12:47:54 <CIA-12> 03zaba * r478a3e55e665 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des dungeon.cc): Turn the curse skull placement special case of Crypt into minivaults.
12:47:58 <CIA-12> 03zaba * r40f7ddd3022f 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Simplify _builder_normal somewhat.
12:48:00 <CIA-12> 03zaba * r3c106f3fe706 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Use random_choose_weighted in _box_room.
12:48:01 <CIA-12> 03zaba * r001b08e3452a 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Simplify odds for roguey_level/city_level/plan_4 in _builder_normal.
12:50:40 <Keskitalo> Plan 4 from Deeper Dungeon
12:51:15 <Zaba> moin Keskitalo
12:51:36 <Zaba> greensnark, some better mechanism is needed for deciding what builder to use after placing a primary vault
12:51:42 <Keskitalo> Good evening
12:51:57 <Zaba> greensnark, at the moment, if vault has tag 'dis', plan_4 is used, if it's in swamp, then dgn_build_swamp_level is used, and otherwise it's _build_rooms
12:52:08 <Zaba> I wonder what a better mechanism could be like...
12:52:37 <Keskitalo> I tried to make a gnoll camp serial vault, but the results look very unexciting..
12:52:52 <Zaba> and it's kind of compliated by the fact those three functions have completely different interfaces
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12:58:03 <greensnark> Zaba: Change _plan_4 to check map mask instead of a list of forbidden regions
12:58:24 <Zaba> greensnark, likewise for _build_rooms?
12:58:35 <Zaba> but, build_rooms also takes a list of connection points
12:58:49 <Zaba> how should one deal with that properly?
12:59:56 <greensnark> I'd suggest building rooms and hooking them up to the connection points in a separate step
13:00:17 <greensnark> So that _build_rooms doesn't have to care about connections to the vault
13:00:28 <Zaba> hrm
13:00:33 <greensnark> Keskitalo: The vault pieces too far away from each other?
13:00:47 <Zaba> greensnark, where would that separate step be?
13:01:13 <greensnark> postvault_level :P
13:01:15 <Keskitalo> greensnark: More like the vaults suck and gnolls are boring anyway :P
13:01:29 <Keskitalo> Well, I shouldn't blame the gnolls, I need to play with equipment.
13:01:30 <greensnark> Keskitalo: gnoll shamans!
13:01:37 <Keskitalo> Yeah, and do that stuff too.
13:01:46 <greensnark> And kobold assassins
13:01:47 <Zaba> greensnark, okay, I'll look into it tomorrow or on the weekend, I guess.
13:02:08 <greensnark> Should implement monster stealth
13:02:09 <Keskitalo> I wonder if I could rename the better armed gnolls in my existing gnoll camp maps into gnoll seargeants (like is implied in the des), maybe also additional HD..
13:02:25 <greensnark> Keskitalo: Go for it
13:02:35 <Keskitalo> I mean I could of course, perhaps I should too
13:02:57 <Keskitalo> greensnark: But sure, controlling distance would give lots of possibilities
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13:11:25 <Eronarn> greensnark: we need kobold snipers, with crossbows
13:15:56 <Ashenzari> Skills stay gray (instead of turning yellow) if they are turned off at the time they reach 27. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2993) by elliptic
13:16:14 <Keskitalo> @?? gnoll
13:16:14 <Gretell> gnoll (08g) | Speed: 10 | HD: 2 | Health: 8-18 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Damage: 9 | Res: 06magic(8) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 14.
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13:30:17 <Napkin> done! https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/
13:30:48 <Napkin> session is not yet kept intact when switching over from mantis, but login data is shared.
13:31:43 <Keskitalo> Ooh, nice!
13:32:14 <greensnark> Tavern :)
13:32:21 <greensnark> Can we have a Crawl schutzenfest
13:32:25 <greensnark> Or however it's spelled
13:32:30 <greensnark> !coffee
13:32:33 * Henzell hands greensnark a cup of caffè macchiato, brewed by Mnoleg.
13:33:48 <Keskitalo> gnoll_medium_camp is garbage, if I may say so myself
13:34:23 <Keskitalo> Two screenfulls of hard to parse substs, then this tiny tiny tiny vault that's even ORIENT: north
13:34:35 <Keskitalo> I really need to learn to paint with a larger brush
13:34:38 <Napkin> hey, I didn't make that decision :-P http://dungeoncrawlstonesoup.freeforums.org/post999.html&f=2#p999
13:40:53 <Napkin> please try login with the data from mantis
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13:43:58 <Keskitalo> Napkin: done so, works
13:44:43 <Napkin> great, thanks
13:45:04 <Keskitalo> and now it knows my birthday
13:45:12 <Napkin> hehe
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13:47:15 <CIA-12> 03Keskitalo * r3008ad596ca1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Clean up some notes left in a map.
13:47:17 <CIA-12> 03Keskitalo * r14faef600bae 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large.des: Remove eino_medium_gnoll_camp.
13:47:21 <CIA-12> 03Keskitalo * rc38382a74c0a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: In the small gnoll camp vaults, make the gnoll "seargeants" actually called such with name_suffix.
14:08:03 <CIA-12> 03Keskitalo * r6e0a263a8f5c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Spell sergeant correctly.
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14:31:30 <Ashenzari> Branch mimics can appear outside that branch's range (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2994) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid
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14:33:03 <greensnark> Keskitalo: typo in "sergeant" :P
14:33:19 <greensnark> Oh, you fixed it :P
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14:43:03 <kilobyte> meow?
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14:48:16 <CIA-12> 03galehar * rcdf3c0bdbb72 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Refuse to start skill menu if terminal is smaller than 80x24
14:48:21 <CIA-12> 03galehar * r863fc174ef48 10/crawl-ref/source/ (skills2.cc skills_menu.h): Skill menu: Add methods to manipulate flags and replace a boolean by a flag.
14:48:22 <CIA-12> 03galehar * r6fc83932d17c 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Make the skill menu respect the tile_menu_icons option.
14:48:24 <CIA-12> 03galehar * r197407906401 10/crawl-ref/source/ (menu.cc menu.h skills2.cc): Add a find_item_by_hotkey() function to MenuObject.
14:48:26 <CIA-12> 03galehar * re49b7434472b 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Skill menu: fix title line not updated on display change.
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15:51:51 <Napkin> alright, configurative administration of the forum is passed on to danr
15:51:59 <Ashenzari> Reskilling out of fighting lets you get negative maxhp (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2995) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid
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16:02:03 <Ashenzari> Death's Door can reduce players to 0 hp (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2996) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid
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16:17:08 <kilobyte> reskilling Fighting away after using Bornjor's to waste all maxhp... what death type is that?
16:17:29 <MarvinPA> you don't actually die
16:17:32 <kilobyte> (besides obvious, "stupidity")
16:17:34 <monky> what death type should it be, you mean?
16:17:38 <kilobyte> yeah, but you should
16:17:38 <MarvinPA> oh or you mean it should kill you?
16:17:47 <kilobyte> or at least reskilling should be aborted
16:17:48 <monky> it shouldn't be a death because you should prevent reskilling away hp to 0
16:17:49 <MarvinPA> surely it should just stop reskilling
16:18:01 <MarvinPA> i mean either way nobody's actually going to do that for real
16:18:04 <MarvinPA> but yeah
16:18:19 <kilobyte> "nobody"???
16:18:21 <kilobyte> uhm...
16:18:42 <monky> so do you really want to kill people who accidentally reskill a bit too much
16:18:52 <monky> or am I misinterpreting
16:18:57 <TGWi> who cast borg too much
16:19:02 <monky> right that too
16:19:05 <TGWi> i.e. at all
16:19:10 <TGWi> borg should instantly kill you
16:19:12 <kilobyte> among a group of people who practice being the first to get killed by a specific unique, or collecting deaths by throwing every possible thing at you -- including the Orb and all possible corpses
16:19:28 <MarvinPA> haha ok true, if it killed you then people would do it just to get the new death type
16:19:36 <MarvinPA> you couldn't really genuinely do it by accident i mean
16:19:49 <monky> at least you shouldn't
16:19:58 <kilobyte> ??deadrobin
16:19:59 <Henzell> deadrobin[1/2]: Kill yourself with every corpse in the game. Also, be the second to kill yourself with Bone Shards (finally, the spell has a use)
16:20:22 <MarvinPA> killing yourself with a thrown object just always says bad targeting now, i think
16:20:23 <st_> except someone ruined the fun and all those death result in "killed by bad targeting" now
16:20:34 <MarvinPA> so deadrobin is entirely useless since bone shards is gone too :P
16:21:28 <CIA-12> 03kilobyte * r84acb90f2b92 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-selfench.cc: Ensure Death's Door leaves you at least 1 hp.
16:21:29 <CIA-12> 03kilobyte * r664bb47bc01a 10/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc: Kill the player instantly if drained below 0 maxhp (possible with Borgnjor's).
16:26:21 <CIA-12> 03kilobyte * r4337bfb31ec4 10/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc: Ignore DDoor if maxhp goes to 0 or below.
16:29:31 <CIA-12> 03kilobyte * r0347585d5372 10/crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc: Someone who's flying won't be "waist-deep" in water.
16:33:00 <CIA-12> 03j-p-e-g * r476a0770e8dd 10/crawl-ref/ (18 files in 3 dirs): Split icons out from main.png. Fixes #2981.
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19:20:23 <TGWi> Napkin: 'remember me' doesn't work for tavern
19:22:35 <monky> I had that problem too
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21:21:41 <danr_> Hallooo.....
21:27:11 <sorear> hi?
21:30:31 <due> :-?
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22:03:31 <TGWi> :-?
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