00:00:49 chukamok (L18 DSNe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. 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I thought that was what epilogue {{ }} was :) 01:49:13 epilogues are run only after the dungeon builder has finished work, so that's too late 01:49:16 Ahh. 01:50:04 This wretched Mac g++ is whining about control reaching the end of non-void functions although any idiot can see that control does not in fact reach the end of the function 01:50:18 yay G++ :) 01:56:47 the serial glass vault is way too common, by the way 01:59:49 More than 5%? 01:59:57 03greensnark * r40c0a5d35b7e 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Fix markers not being activated correctly in first serial vault. 02:00:00 03greensnark * r6c6c8dbd1ebe 10/crawl-ref/source/zotdef.cc: Rearrange create_trap code to shut up Mac g++ false alarm about control reaching end of non-void function. 02:00:25 greensnark: I got it four or five times in D in my last game 02:00:39 if it is actually 5%, though, that sounds reasonable 02:00:59 Possibly the chance is not correctly applied 02:07:31 greensnark: this is what -w is for 02:08:01 I actually like the warnings to catch real mistakes :P 02:35:40 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:35:56 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:19 hi 02:37:23 hi 02:40:42 03greensnark * r55beb4d44935 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/introduction.txt: Note that vaults with an empty DEPTH: will not be placed randomly. 02:45:37 Possibly the serial_glass vault looks more common than it is because the vaults it uses as components can also be randomly placed as independent vaults 02:46:12 ??vaults 02:46:12 vaults[1/1]: Accessed from the main dungeon somewhere between levels 14 and 19. Eight levels deep. A large group of guards await on the bottom floor (see {vault 8}), where you can find several item vaults and a silver rune. There are also ordinary {vault}s. 02:46:16 ??vault 02:46:16 vault[1/1]: A small pre-designed section of the dungeon. Most of the evil ones can be blamed on dpeg or Lemuel or a demonic alliance of both. The guards around branch entrances and special branch ends are examples. See also the {Vaults}. See {special room} for the rectangular rooms with orcs, bees, etc. 02:46:51 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:50:28 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:52:14 -!- Fangorn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:33 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:52:59 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:05 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:29 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:38:46 kilobyte: on linux, nethack doesn't use TIOCGWINSZ, but falls back to termcap. I could verify that termcap gives the correct size in an unmodified ttyrec whereas ioctl fails. But I couldn't verify that on my local dgamelaunch installation. There, ioctl with TIOCGWINSZ did also report the correct size 03:43:18 the only other way of getting that data is trying to move the cursor to 1000,1000 or the like and asking the terminal to report cursor position... but that doesn't work on all terminals, so I doubt termcap would go that way 03:43:37 so something seems wrong... but this is something we can actually check 03:44:22 I saw that dgl sets the terminal size for the ttyrec replay but nowhere else 03:45:22 it must pass the terminal size to the pty slave, yeah 03:46:17 but it's somewhat surprising that it doesn't fail on all occasions 03:47:39 hrm, "Warning: cannot write scoreboard file /var/games/nethack/record" is a fatal error 03:49:00 ioctl(1, TIOCGWINSZ, {ws_row=45, ws_col=125, ws_xpixel=0, ws_ypixel=0}) = 0 03:49:45 so at least in the Debian packages, it uses the ioctl 03:52:13 according to terminfo's man pages (there's no actual termcap on modern systems), the order it uses is as follows: 03:53:17 1. the LINES and COLUMNS env vars (uhm... why???), 2. ioctl, 3. hard-coded numbers from the database (80x24 or 80x25 in most cases) 03:54:53 interesting order 03:55:27 at least bash doesn't export LINES and COLUMNS even though it has such variables locally 03:56:17 because the user-overridable config should always be first 03:56:29 it's not always trivial for the user to set the ioctl 03:57:01 and the ioctl is more likely to be correct than the terminfo db, for software terminals 03:57:41 hmm, ioctl(1, ...). 1 that's output. I think I mostly saw stdin, not stdout used for that 03:57:47 stty cols 30? 03:59:04 okay, stdin or stdout doesn't make a difference :) 03:59:24 it makes a difference if you redirected one or the other 03:59:45 stty fails too in an unmodified ttyrec 03:59:59 speed 38400 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0; 04:01:24 yes, stty and ioctl is the same thing 04:03:55 03kilobyte * r29b1ef009aa1 10/crawl-ref/source/util/checkwhite: Don't exempt *.txt, *.rb, *.pl and the makefile from whitespace checks. 04:03:56 03kilobyte * r0da95f8135d0 10/crawl-ref/source/misc/valgrind-suppress.txt: Indent valgrind suppressions the way --gen-suppressions does. 04:03:59 03kilobyte * rbde0a4615a92 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): checkwhite's fixes for .txt files. 04:04:00 03kilobyte * rbaf2dbe7535d 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Shave 800 bytes (uncompressed) per level from saves. 04:04:36 -!- cw_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:12:20 kilobyte: how is that 800 bytes? 04:13:32 doh, 80 04:40:48 Ahrin (L21 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. (Shoals:2) 04:41:07 Ahrin (L21 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. (Shoals:2) 04:41:16 Does anyone know what's up with that? 04:41:58 Ahrin (L21 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. (Shoals:2) 04:43:27 Ahrin (L21 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. (Shoals:2) 04:43:41 I once wasted half an hour trying to debug it, and that code is an unholy undecipherable mess (or alternatively, I'm an idiot) 04:44:01 so we need Caotto back, badly 04:44:11 Agree. 04:44:22 * due performs a Rite of Summoning. 04:44:54 I gave up pretty quickly, so it might just be a case of a bad lack of comments or something 04:45:10 What do we think of an abjuration-esque spell that does direct damage to all summoned creatures on screen? 04:45:26 what schools 04:45:31 ... Summoning. 04:45:37 ...why? 04:45:39 or Summoning/Necromancy, I'm not sure. 04:45:40 ... 04:45:54 i mean, why this spell with abjuration already existing 04:45:57 Why the fuck *not*? It would only affect summons, so it makes sense. 04:46:09 I mean to replace Abjuration. 04:46:16 why're we replacing abjuration 04:46:34 Because I'm putting forth an idea to see what people thing? 04:46:46 I didn't expect to be shot down in flames for it. :p 04:47:04 -!- herself has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:08 i am in favor of hitting summoning until it's not unfun to play 04:47:18 i don't think abjuration is necessarily the best place to start though 04:47:38 That's nice. 04:47:41 kilobyte, thoughts? 04:48:11 hate, hate, hate summon storms 04:48:28 I meant about my spell idea. 04:49:30 it would have to be quite powerful and very low level, since abjuration auto-kills them already 04:49:44 See above re: replacing Abjuration with a direct damage spell. 04:49:59 Reasoning: abjuration dumps boring summoned monsters but has little effect on high level ones. 04:51:32 those with skill in Summ can get rid of 1s quite easily... but indeed other chars have little reason to bother 04:51:36 thought: remove boring summoned monsters for everyone, make abjuration better against higher level ones (though it really doesn't even need to be much better imo, it's already pretty good) 04:52:02 kilobyte: there's talk of a summ cap, right? would that apply to monsters, too? 04:52:37 of course not, this is crawl 04:52:38 * due decides to read instead. 04:52:47 monky: no idea, I'm afraid 04:52:53 ??symmetry 04:52:53 I don't have a page labeled symmetry in my learndb. 04:53:00 well it would fix any troubles with summon storms, surely 04:53:27 (gonna reiterate my wacky idea for summons here: give it some spells that aren't 'summon allies') 04:53:58 what would you like to summon? 04:54:07 "buff allies"? 04:55:04 ??malign gateway 04:55:04 malign gateway[1/1]: Summons a portal through which an eldritch tentacle emerges. Depending on spell power, it will be friendly for a number of turns, before turning hostile, or the portal closes and it is severed, whichever happens first (either way, it will turn hostile). Level 7 Summ/Tloc found in the Book of Demonology. 1/3 chance of draining a point of int. 04:55:04 idea: demon-summoning (possession) flavoured summ spell: smite-target a monster, check MR; on success, somehow modify that monster and make it insane 04:55:13 kilobyte: clouds of bees. magical equiment. other things where you 'summon' something, but don't actually create an ally 04:55:32 BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES ARE COMING! YO UGET A BEE STING AND YOU GET A BEE STING AND YOU AND YOUU! 04:55:37 04:55:48 oh and it'd probably have to be natural monsters only 04:56:09 crawl already has a bunch of spells that make allies but don't use summoning whereas there are almost no spells in summoning that aren't summoning an ally 04:56:22 just recall and abj.? 04:56:52 yeah (for 'ally' assuming 'a monster that kills things for you') 04:57:38 well my idea turns an existing monster into a killer that doesn't give any exp and also kills you if you let it near you 04:58:33 yeah, yours is the kind of thing that i am talking about - effects where you summon something, flavour-wise, but it doesn't just give you another kind of ally to summon (in practice, this makes for horrible gameplay) 05:00:43 summoning equipment is interesting in theory, but I'd say it would be tedious due to a need of recasting 05:00:52 another idea: like abjuration (possibly too much overlap in here), but instead of severing ties entirely, attempts to take control from the summoner (induces (unfriendly) neutrality) 05:01:06 and permanent stuff is obviously out of question (an acquirement spell??) 05:01:29 kilobyte: it could work like ozo's armour or condensation shield do 05:01:36 (or even one of those spells could become a summ spell) 05:01:59 they are tedious, which is what I'm talking about 05:02:07 for example: summ/tloc, summons a portal that interposes (it's a shield-spell, branded with reflection) 05:02:34 kilobyte: well i agree those are tedious but we already have like a dozen spells like that 05:03:11 not adding more won't make the status quo any better, and adding more won't make the status quo much worse if at all 05:03:13 someone (drpraetor?) put something on the wiki about a summ/tmut spell which invites a demon to possess the caster (grants demonic resists, other bonuses, chaos brand, but malmutates or something) 05:04:12 probably much too weak as proposed, though, and a pain to cast with those schools 05:04:15 kilobyte: a permanent summon spell could work if it had the right limitations, fwiw. like a gold cost, or a *portal* cost 05:04:27 why make it a spell, then? 05:04:30 i don't think it's worth trying to balance it though 05:04:37 put it in an item or something 05:04:46 bottled efreet 05:05:09 monky: we should totally have a bazaar-in-a-bottle item 05:05:52 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:37 kilobyte: now that i think of it, summoning equipment probably need not be any worse than form merging 05:11:24 03Keskitalo * r7c6235e9967e 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Fix typo in ettin xp modifier (OG17). 05:11:55 Hi! 05:11:57 dpeg: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:12:04 @??ettin 05:12:05 ettin (07C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 12 | Health: 48-86 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Damage: 45, 45 | Res: 06magic(48) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 9954. 05:12:28 @??stone giant 05:12:28 @??stone giant 05:12:29 stone giant (15C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 65-108 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Damage: 45 | Res: 06magic(85) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2026. 05:12:29 stone giant (15C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 65-108 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Damage: 45 | Res: 06magic(85) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2026. 05:12:33 Ah. 05:12:39 due: heh 05:12:40 Typo indeed. :0 05:13:11 double ettin mag res imo 05:13:18 but, if they are more deadly than stone giants, why should they bring only less than half the xp? 05:13:19 Hi dpeg! 05:13:21 it has two minds to fight back 05:13:46 moin 05:13:51 @?? cyclops 05:13:51 cyclops (08C) | Speed: 7 | HD: 9 | Health: 34-65 | AC/EV: 5/3 | Damage: 35 | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 530. 05:13:55 Good morning :) 05:14:26 !messages 05:14:27 (1/3) dpeg said (12w 16h 44m 16s ago): What about renaming "brainstorm" to "discussion"? 05:14:36 dpeg: "features" 05:14:39 or feature 05:14:46 featurestorm 05:14:48 25% unresistible 05:14:55 !messages 05:14:55 (1/2) dpeg said (11w 6d 22h 28m 10s ago): I believe that much of the character selection wiki page can be removed, but I am not sure what. Can you have a look? Thanks! 05:15:03 Oh wow, these are old. 05:15:08 Yes, very old :) 05:15:09 !messages 05:15:09 (1/1) TGWi said (11h 49m 9s ago): any idea what l_uniq (not luniq_foo) does? it's used in serial_glass and due_unseen_surprise 05:15:13 Keskitalo: 1/3 a year :) 05:15:14 Keskitalo: we know you're just a short swim north (slightly east) from me, so it's the same time zone. This makes it "good afternoon" already. 05:15:20 and good afternoon to you, too 05:15:44 kilobyte: Hehe. :) Yeah, I got up a bit late. 05:15:51 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:34 Eronarn: Not a bad idea (they spawn pretty late too) 05:17:14 Zaba didn't find l_uniq from the codebase, it's possibly a typo? 05:17:26 half-charmed ettins: one head hostile, second friendly 05:17:27 Ahrin (L22 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed. (Shoals:2) 05:17:44 later 05:17:46 kilobyte: So enslavement can only confuse them? :) 05:17:48 03zaba * r0721bf4ea9ef 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc dungeon.h): Make count_feature_in_(anti)box static. 05:17:49 dpeg: Cheers! 05:17:50 03zaba * reb4c875d6026 10/crawl-ref/source/ (effects.cc l_dgnbld.cc l_feat.cc main.cc wiz-item.cc): Remove dungeon.h #include from files that don't need it. 05:17:51 03zaba * r011d41ee9f6f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des: Correct some vault tags (l_uniq -> luniq). 05:17:53 03zaba * r03200ff6caac 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Split _vault_grid into _vault_grid_mapspec and _vault_grid_glyph. 05:17:54 I'm off too. 05:18:46 there you go, no l_uniq anymore! 05:18:59 Yay! 05:20:14 well. What now. 05:34:30 Btw, are there any plans to fix that kraken bug 05:36:40 greensnark: "Feel free" is the curret response, I believe. 05:36:50 :P 05:37:01 what kraken bug? 05:37:03 Has pointless_ escaped our clutches and swum aay 05:37:05 *away 05:38:25 Zaba: That last assert 05:38:31 ah 05:38:32 !lm * crash 05:38:32 305. [2010-12-14] Ahrin the Axe Maniac (L22 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack constraints.connection constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1596 failed on turn 74642. (Shoals:2) 05:43:17 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:49:46 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:02 03kilobyte * r0d4794485d0b 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: A compile-time assert. 05:55:23 03kilobyte * r25df7ca0a103 10/crawl-ref/source/ (13 files): Trim some uneeded includes. 05:57:01 hm. 06:07:33 greensnark, why is _make_trail so hideously insane 06:08:32 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 06:10:07 greensnark, I tried coming up with a lua API workalike for it, but I couldn't because I don't know how much of that bounds checking logic should be replicated and how 06:21:46 back 06:21:49 wb dpeg 06:23:31 Zaba: more thanks for dungeon builder progress! 06:23:44 -!- Iainuki_ is now known as Iainuki 06:23:54 -!- Iainuki has quit [Changing host] 06:23:54 -!- Iainuki has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:19 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:15 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:04 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:46 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:06 oh, bloody hell... 07:32:29 -!- mruuuu has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:38 -!- mruuuu has quit [Client Quit] 07:35:50 Zaba: !seen bhaak 07:35:54 erm :) 07:35:58 !seen bhaak 07:35:58 I last saw bhaak at Tue Dec 14 09:59:59 2010 UTC (3h 35m 59s ago) saying speed 38400 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0; on ##crawl-dev. 07:36:12 Zaba: fighting with lua? 07:36:24 well 07:36:34 I'm trying to convert _many_pools into a serial vault 07:36:39 at the moment I have a vault that places a single pool 07:36:56 Good idea. 07:36:57 well, 'serial', it just places many of those pool vaults at once 07:37:02 it does not, however, work very well 07:37:21 bebeep! 07:37:44 bhaak: just replied. Great presentation. 07:37:54 Keskitalo, dpeg, do you perhaps know of a way to tell dgn.place_maps to place maps until it encounters an error, and then just stop trying, without vetoing the level? 07:38:00 Zaba: what's wrong with many pool vaults at once? 07:38:22 Zaba: isn't there an option? 07:38:40 greensnark told me where to look for a list of options to place_maps, but I forgot the place :| 07:38:59 ah, it's right in clua/dungeon.lua 07:39:07 one of them sounds like what you need 07:39:16 yes.. there's that 07:39:29 but there's another issue.. 07:39:56 Keskitalo: thanks for your serial vaults, too. 07:40:03 I should get one done on fruits. 07:40:19 it can be placed in _builder_basic and _bigger_room levels, only, with different probabilities. 07:40:21 I wouldn't use vaults for basic layouts if it can be avoided, since that'll mean layout vaults will prevent placement of other vaults 07:40:46 i.e. if you use minivaults within layouts, make sure they're also tagged as "layout" 07:40:46 The Lord of Light speaks to us! 07:40:55 Otherwise they'll block further vaults 07:41:00 dpeg: Have you read Lord of Light yet? :P 07:41:07 greensnark, isn't there some other tag to make a vault overwritable? 07:41:14 No, there is not 07:41:15 I am just reading it. Rob gave it to me yesterday. 07:41:26 lord of light is good 07:41:35 Lord of Light is not good. It is awesome. 07:41:37 Oh dear. 07:41:44 So speaks the Lord himself. 07:41:47 Should we worry about dpeg insinsting we remove mara? :S 07:41:56 due: No fear :P 07:42:02 greensnark, I guess the pool vault should be tagged 'layout', then, since it clones behaviour of something that can be considered a level builder? 07:42:10 due: He may request that you add Yama though :P 07:42:19 I want a Kali god. 07:42:31 greensnark, well, I've no problem with that. 07:42:32 greensnark: the change about minivaults is about Keskitalo's serial vaults? 07:42:43 dpeg: No, I'm referring to _many_pools 07:42:46 ah 07:43:08 Keskitalo's were specifying the layout type -- that is unproblematic? 07:43:15 Zaba: You could also add a tag to make any vault request that it not add to the mask 07:43:23 greensnark: Hm. I'm unsure. The others are a bit too specific. 07:43:29 greensnark, isn't that what 'layout' does? 07:43:37 Zaba: Yes 07:44:03 well.. layout has some other side-effects, but only in the _build_primary_vault codepath 07:44:09 Zaba: layout does other things 07:44:10 at least i think so 07:44:28 It specifically precludes certain maps from being picked by random tag in places, etc. 07:44:39 ah yes, that too 07:45:06 due: this is what greensnark referred to? 07:45:19 dpeg: orry? 07:45:22 ^ 07:45:27 anyway... I need to somehow force the pools vault to only be placed on _bigger_room levels, but the 'open' layout type is shared by some other layouts, too. 07:45:53 Zaba: I'd just add another new tag and duplicate the overwriting/noMMT_VAULT flagging. 07:45:59 (Over using layout in vaults.) 07:46:08 Maybe an "overwriteable" tag 07:46:46 does that word even exist? :P 07:46:51 yes 07:47:05 sounds pretty German, if you ask me :) 07:47:25 It would be overwritable though. 07:47:27 Over over-writable. 07:47:53 hmm, wait 07:48:26 there's map_def::is_overwritable_layout 07:48:42 it's what's used to check whether a vault should be marked as non-overwritable 07:49:28 layout tag doesn't seem to exclude the vault from being picked by depth... 07:49:54 dpeg: I'm not sure what you meant by asking me what greensnark was referring to; I am blind. 07:49:57 so the layout tag should work fine to mark a vault non-overwritable as it is 07:50:00 Zaba: It shoould. 07:50:07 We're getting very metacircular here 07:50:18 no need to duplicate anything :P 07:51:06 s/non-//, even 07:52:41 I'm in a labyrinth, and the exit is inside a stone wall zone which is itself surrounded by a metal wall zone 07:52:45 is that normal? 07:53:21 Iv'e been wandering for a long time in the metal wall zone and avoiding to go in the stone wall zone... 07:54:02 due: it was a question by me. So the answer is no :) 07:54:18 the problem is that normal minivault placement messes things up, too :/ 07:54:33 it deforms bigger_room levels 07:54:35 dpeg: I... don'tknow :) 07:54:35 galehar: it is just a small stone vault inside the metal area, I hope. 07:55:37 the obvious solution would be to make bigger_room generate bigger levels 07:55:41 and to rename it to _even_bigger_room 07:55:46 but... heh. 07:56:02 a square of about 12 07:56:23 greensnark, what do you think about it? 07:56:48 with the stairs at the opposite of entrance to the stone wall zone 07:57:05 Zaba: You mean minivaults eat into the border? 07:57:08 greensnark, yeah 07:57:21 whereas _many_pools pools don't 07:57:29 in fact, they always seek for floor areas to fill 07:57:30 big enough to make it really hard to figure it out without mapping, especially if you're not expecting it. 07:57:48 galehar: 12x12 sounds like a perfectly normal lab end vault to me. 07:58:26 I want _even_bigger_room. 07:58:31 And then _even_biggest_room. 07:58:32 Zaba: You could set a map mask for the border in bigger_room to prevent minivaults from eating into the border, or you could allow vaults to request specific placement guarantees 07:58:40 * Zaba burns due with ice 07:59:06 I've always wanted vaults to be able to say: use this function to choose where to place this vault 07:59:21 it would be nice, yes.. 07:59:29 due: before that we need _biggerer_room 07:59:38 Like: PLACEMENT: dgn.place_vault_floor_only, etc. 08:00:07 I find it amazing how far vaults making and placing has come. 08:00:10 greensnark, that sounds like a lot of work to implement, though 08:00:11 *gone 08:00:24 greensnark, and how exactly would such functions work? 08:00:43 Zaba: They'd take a map as argument and use the current logic, but with additional feature filters 08:00:59 It's a bit of work, yes 08:01:05 hm 08:01:21 For now it may be easiest to mask the areas outside the border with MMT_VAULT 08:03:10 Also I think the current where-to-place-vault code is rather inefficient 08:03:45 And there are some suspicious duplicate codepaths involving how secondary vaults make exits 08:03:59 While you're looking at dungeon.cc, you could fix those too :) 08:04:06 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:38 TGWi: hi. Still need to know about l_uniq? 08:04:43 there's a very suspicious codepath that starts with _dig_vault_loose. It's quite long and used only in one case. 08:04:49 dpeg: sure 08:05:12 greensnark, I don't understand those enough. 08:06:20 TGWi: l_uniq means "use this vault at most once on the level". 08:06:26 "level unique" 08:06:53 oh, so it's the same as just using luniq_[something unique to this vault] 08:06:57 mark this day in your calendar, dpeg is wrong ;P 08:07:18 the correct tag is luniq :P 08:07:42 Zaba: l_uniq is used in a serial vault and in unseen surprise :S 08:07:47 TGWi: not any more 08:07:48 when did you last check :P 08:08:02 yesterday when I downloaded a recent copy of trunk :P 08:08:14 that could be a little outdated 08:08:18 maybe I should read some logs 08:08:20 TGWi: You caveman, how can you talk about yesterday's trunk 08:08:36 Stop living in the past 08:09:02 so.. there are two vaults that rely on layout_open 08:09:06 who's vsevolod kozlov? 08:09:08 me 08:09:16 ah, grats on having a cool name 08:09:25 +1 08:09:33 Credits has a lot of cool names 08:09:42 so many Finns 08:09:48 How *do* you say vsevolod, anyway? 08:09:52 greensnark, does making _bigger_room a layout type different from 'open' just for the sake of the pool vault seem very stupid? 08:10:09 you don't say it; you stare in awe 08:10:14 Zaba: How does it help the pool vault? 08:10:34 And can't you make one layout establish multiple layout types? 08:10:42 greensnark, because it has to be placed on _bigger_room levels with 100% chance 08:10:43 -!- Pialein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:48 My favourite name Pafnuti Lwowitsch Tschebyscheff (German transcription). Unfortunately, my wife vetoed "Pafnuti" for our son. 08:10:49 "world-ruling goat frog", indeed beyond merely awesome :p 08:10:56 haha 08:11:16 greensnark, I don't think you can... since layout type is just a string 08:11:19 greensnark, that would be great, though. 08:11:23 Zaba: You can change it :P 08:11:29 hmm.. 08:11:40 I guess. 08:11:41 What does pafnuti mean? 08:11:54 dpeg: Did you understand the message I !told you? 08:12:00 Inquiring minds want to know 08:12:04 !messages 08:12:05 (1/4) Cryp71c said (4d 21h 37m 56s ago): I like StudioMK's idea for Demonic Wings (https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:demonspawn_brainstorming) 3/4 of the way down. As a rough start for a possible facet. 08:12:12 !messages 08:12:12 (1/3) bhaak said (1d 23h 45m 55s ago): Sie sollten Post haben! 08:12:15 !messages 08:12:16 (1/2) greensnark said (1d 23h 19m 37s ago): De lappi vomana bhaak will wüssa, ob du mi verstosch? 08:12:28 haha 08:12:46 greensnark: sort of. :) 08:12:48 !messages 08:12:48 (1/1) Keskitalo said (16h 21m 29s ago): Check the "what about DCSS isn't fun" trhead on the forum, two posters suggest themed levels for both early and late D 08:13:18 !tell dpeg Hi. 08:13:18 due: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 08:13:39 It now dawns on me that bhaak might have made that a rude message 08:13:53 You can never tell with subtle snaky minds like bhaak's 08:13:59 -!- ZarahNeander has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:02 can't find the meaning of Pafnuty, but wikipedia has an even better translation of Vsevolod: 08:14:05 Its etymology is from Slavic roots 'vus' or 'vse' (all) and 'vld' (rule) and means 'lord-of-everything/everybody' 08:14:18 All hail our new Kozlov overlords 08:14:24 All hail 08:14:43 hehe :-) 08:14:47 -!- Lollipop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:14:59 -!- Lollipop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:15:40 greensnark: oh no, nothing like that. It's just about showing genitals in public. 08:15:41 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:15:47 greensnark: actually I made the statement the wrong way around. you were insulting and it looked like I would want to know if dpeg understands. This way it was more cryptic 08:16:22 although "the goat lord of everything" has a kind of... religious tone 08:16:30 yes 08:16:42 I especially liked the goat frog. 08:16:48 if I want a vault to not be placed, does saying "DEPTH:" and just leaving it empty do that? 08:17:01 (since there's a default depth) 08:17:19 TGWi: ye 08:17:22 TGWi: yes. 08:23:25 later 08:24:05 bye 08:26:03 WEIGHT: 0 is better, I think 08:26:12 or well.. there was something about that somewhere 08:34:14 which forum is this? 08:38:08 Mu_: It's where we discuss fleshy orifices in obscure German dialects 08:38:34 ??forum 08:38:34 forum[1/1]: http://dungeoncrawlstonesoup.freeforums.org/ 08:38:47 Oh, you were referring to the web forum 08:39:00 hrm 08:39:12 crawl has a forum :O 08:39:53 bah 08:39:56