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Every turn you remain in LOS it changes colour a bit more and gets a bit noisier; this dies down much slower than it builds up. If it maxes out, it launches at you IOOD style! 01:44:25 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:14:03 nonsense when examining item on ground (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2953) by MrMisterMonkey 02:27:01 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:47 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:44 morning 02:47:05 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:28 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:32 !seen greensnark 02:59:32 I last saw greensnark at Fri Dec 10 08:33:20 2010 UTC (26m 12s ago) saying !fight 99 ice statue v Cerebov spells:. on ##crawl. 02:59:50 Hi 03:00:34 Hi 03:01:16 greensnark: when placing serial vaults with the lua hooks, do the fan vaults check their depth and chance? 03:01:51 Chance doesn't seem relevant here 03:02:02 Since you're specifying what vaults you want 03:02:04 ok, what about WEIGHT :) 03:02:10 weight is checked, yes 03:02:45 An example: there are a number of glass pillar vaults. I give all of them TAG: serial_glass and make one mother NAME: glass_vaults vault which calls glass tagged maps. 03:02:54 For the latter, weights are used as in the local maps? 03:03:10 Yes 03:03:14 cool 03:03:19 and is depth checked, too? 03:03:53 I'm a little confused as to which vaults you're asking about. Is it the primary vault or the extra vaults it places 03:04:16 The primary vault is picked by the regular dungeon builder so all normal rules apply 03:04:32 yes 03:04:41 I am asking about the vaults it calls. 03:04:58 The secondary vaults can be picked by tag or randomly; if they're picked randomly the normal rules apply. If they're picked by tag, depth is checked. 03:05:05 don't worry, you'll see in a minute what I borked up :) 03:05:06 weights always apply, so nothing new there 03:05:31 What do you mean by "or randomly"? I am only aware of picking by tag. 03:05:47 Look at dgn.place_maps in dat/clua/dungeon.lua 03:05:58 There's a comment specifying what arguments it can take 03:06:56 ah, I see 03:07:27 Oh, also there is nothing constraining the vaults to be close together or similar, they'll be scattered around the level as usual 03:07:33 allow_dup with count>1 is only needed when I place a single tagged vault, right? 03:07:38 greensnark: of course 03:07:44 That's what I wanted :) 03:08:06 Constraints would also be nice 03:08:21 I think it'll be more immersive if sometimes that glass vault is accompanied by a bunch of more glass vaults. Makes you think, "aha, they used a lot of glass when digging this out". 03:08:25 greensnark: true 03:08:30 Like a request to place the accessory vaults within a certain distance of the main vault 03:08:50 Anyway, that will complicate build logic so maybe later :) 03:08:51 yes 03:08:54 no problem 03:09:04 I am happy I can play around with multiple vaults now. 03:09:29 And yes, allow_dup is only necessary if a map will be used more than once 03:10:29 You should use die_on_error=false if you don't want the main vault to fail if it can't find accessory vaults to place 03:11:01 oh, the main vault will be just . 03:11:18 you will see 03:11:38 one last bit: I can use the usual tricks (e.g. from the zot levels) to roll a number and use that as count? 03:11:53 Oh, sure 03:11:57 It's Lua as usual 03:12:07 Cannot resist urge to randomise. 03:27:48 Hee, Atomjack is playing ZotDef 03:28:05 Damn, he stopped :( 03:28:15 !gamesby atomjack zotdef 03:28:15 atomjack has played 19 games, between 20101208 and 20101210, won 0, high score 35850, total score 38422, total turns 15410, total time 1:58:21. 03:28:26 !hs atomjack zotdef 03:28:26 19. Atomjack the Summoner (L13 KeSu), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:1 (zotvault2) on 2010-12-09, with 35850 points after 6015 turns and 1:05:17. 03:28:40 !hs . zotdef 03:28:40 21. greensnark the Champion of Chaos (L13 MiMo), worshipper of Makhleb, slain by an iron troll (summoned by a deep dwarf berserker) on D:1 (zotvault2) on 2010-12-10, with 38533 points after 6339 turns and 1:38:45. 03:28:47 NAME: serial_glass 03:28:48 DEPTH: D, Elf, Crypt 03:28:48 CHANCE: 100% 03:28:48 {{ 03:28:48 -- Single instances of serial_glass vaults can be placed normally, so 03:28:50 -- we only roll numbers between 2 and 12 (non-flat distribution). 03:28:51 Yay, I beat him :P 03:28:52 local c = 2 + crawl.random2(3)*random2(3)*random2(3) 03:28:54 @?? deep dwarf berserker 03:28:55 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Speed: 10 | HD: 8 | Health: 47-89 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Damage: 10 | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 545 | Sp: brothers in arms, hand, berserker rage. 03:28:55 hook("post_place", function() 03:28:57 dgn.place_maps{tag="serial_glass", count=c} 03:29:00 end) 03:29:02 }} 03:29:05 This gets me an error with the "local" line. 03:29:21 dpeg: What is the error? :P 03:29:33 Whereas "local dx = crawl.random2(12)" is used all over the place. 03:29:40 Also you seem to be missing the crawl.random2 on the subsequent calls 03:29:41 /home/dpeg/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des:36: attempt to call global 'random2' (a nil value) 03:29:46 Ah, that's why 03:29:55 Oh my :) 03:30:13 local random2 = crawl.random2 ; local c = random2(3) * random2(3) * random2(3) 03:30:14 crawl. 03:30:22 or that 03:31:13 syllogism: that barely released guy (Zig only) is vastly underestimated by ZotDef code. Has way too little xp, too. 03:31:28 That deep dwarf berserker was awesome 03:31:36 I went to check my oklob line 03:32:00 And next thing I know there were berserk iron trolls oozing up through the floor everywhere 03:32:23 haha 03:32:31 :) 03:32:36 Where are they on the power curve? Greater naga? Pre-nerf merfolk javelineer? Ancient lich? Greater mummy? 03:32:42 maybe it will convince players it's necessary to nerf BiA 03:32:53 !fight deep dwarf berserker v 2 greater naga 03:33:00 ancient lich at least, I'd say 03:33:12 berserk iron trols >>>> 1s 03:33:13 Dumb thing didn't summon :P 03:33:16 trolls 03:33:20 !fight deep dwarf berserker v 2 greater naga t:99 delay:0 03:33:28 Hey, it crashed :P 03:33:34 ??!fight[3] 03:33:35 I don't have a page labeled !fight[3] in my learndb. 03:33:38 ??!fight[2] 03:33:38 I don't have a page labeled !fight[2] in my learndb. 03:33:40 !fight deep dwarf berserker v 2 greater naga t:99 delay:0 03:33:42 ??fight[2] 03:33:42 fight[2/7]: Examples: "!fight 20-headed hydra v 10 kobold ; scimitar ego:flaming", "!fight 99 orc v the royal jelly", "!fight electrical eel v 10 rat". Note the syntax for some monsters -- make sure you aren't pluralizing, and spell monster names correctly. 03:33:45 ??fight[7] 03:33:45 fight[7/7]: For most epic fight ever try !fight giant spore v giant spore 03:33:48 ??fight[6] 03:33:48 fight[6/7]: http://crawl-ref.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crawl-ref/trunk/crawl-ref/docs/arena.txt for a guide. For the arenas: http://crawl-ref.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crawl-ref/trunk/crawl-ref/source/dat/arena.des 03:33:48 Yeah, definitely crashy 03:33:52 ??fight[5] 03:33:52 fight[5/7]: Please do not use test spawners with delay:0, kthx. 03:33:59 oh only test spawners 03:34:24 These days I clamp delay anyway 03:34:29 deep dwarf berserker seems like a pretty solid target for Crusade 03:34:31 !fight deep dwarf berserker v orb of fire 03:34:58 !fight deep dwarf berserker v orb of fire t:5 03:35:25 !fight 5 deep dwarf berserker v orb of fire t:5 03:35:46 looks like they can't summon in fightclub 03:35:54 ASSERT(!(crawl_state.game_is_arena() && mon->foe == MHITYOU)) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 171 failed. 03:36:01 !fight orb of fire v 5 deep dwarf berserker t:5 03:36:16 I think the arena is crashing with that when they summon 03:37:01 http://sprunge.us/WPQC 03:44:02 beh, all other summoning spells have doubled code... this one that doesn't crashes 03:44:31 "Levitating" tentacles prevent water overlay in tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2954) by jpeg 03:45:25 kilobyte: You fixing tht? 03:45:32 Essentially foe should not be MHITYOU 03:45:33 yeah 03:45:51 And that angering check looks unnecessary if the berserker is not summoned by the player 03:46:29 it should be when you summon it (no immediate foe, bros are not supposed to be directable), when Trog does that, and really, even when monsters do 03:46:51 Why is MHITYOU better than MHITNOT there? 03:47:02 MHITNOT will anyway be converted into a real foe as soon as the monster acts 03:47:03 wouldn't it case "wandering"? 03:47:10 cause 03:47:38 Hm, not sure, but it'll unwander pretty soon. 03:47:58 who decided on the names for MHITYOU and MHITNOT 03:48:01 because i basically hate them 03:48:27 Legacy names 03:48:31 Eronarn: back in linley henzell's day, they were "200" and "201" 03:48:40 those were better :P 03:48:43 or maybe it was the other way around 03:49:01 strange... DDBe vs 2 greater nagas: 44:55, 52:47, 20:79 03:49:06 interesting variance 03:49:45 @??greater naga 03:49:46 greater naga (13N) | Speed: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 15 | Health: 63-102 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Damage: 27 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1683 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, teleport self. 03:50:02 did greater naga get unnerfed yet 03:50:12 sorear: 404 sensible naming scheme not found 03:50:17 it got hit by the nerf bat again when haste was nerfed 03:51:08 Yeah, they're pretty weak after the haste nerf 03:51:11 it's silly how you can now outrun hasted speed 10 creatures 03:51:17 Naga magi also 03:51:28 syllogism: You can outrun them? 03:51:30 with flight+swiftness (or was that nerfed yet) 03:51:36 or as spriggan 03:51:45 Flight + swift nerf is overdue, yeah :) 03:51:48 03kilobyte * rca3edeb8f393 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Allies animating dead is ok for hungry herb3. 03:51:50 03kilobyte * r68351e596c5c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-abil.cc mon-place.cc spl-goditem.cc spl-summoning.cc): Fix a few cases of LOS distortion. 03:51:51 03kilobyte * re3573653bfea 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Stop arena crashes with monster berserkers. 03:51:53 or swift + boots 03:52:06 Why does flight + swift need to be nerfed all of a sudden? 03:52:11 sorear: it doesn't 03:52:49 Swiftness is plenty good enough on its own; there's no need to make it better just to make the Flight spell not suck 03:52:50 yeah, it's not that different from other ways to speed up movement 03:53:22 then what else do you propose for flight? 03:53:37 Get rid of Fly spell :P 03:53:41 for me, it has the benefit of not screwing everyone without the luck to get boots of running 03:53:52 It's already making the amulet of controlled flight look bad 03:54:00 amulet of controlled flight IS bad 03:54:01 lev is tedious 03:54:22 Would converting lev into fly be bad 03:54:25 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:effect:levitation 03:54:39 Keskitalo: that's a great idea 03:55:08 Hah 03:55:18 greensnark: good idea 03:55:23 ugh, noooo 03:55:26 that idea is so awful 03:55:35 it would only be good for some gimmick vaults 03:55:36 Keskitalo promoting his directional sortasemicontrolled levitation? 03:55:48 "physics" 03:55:52 :) 03:56:03 "only exist when we deem them necessary" 03:56:21 physics in a fantasy game are only a guideline that are made for breaking 03:56:38 quoting Vaarsuvius? 03:56:47 +s 03:57:01 i'm dead tired and typing random things 03:57:22 imo we should look to make flight better, not lev worse 03:57:30 and if we can't think of ways to make flight better 03:57:34 +1 to killing the Lev/Flight split and giving all perks to Lev 03:57:37 we can just axe them 03:57:59 !fight deep dwarf berserker v 2 greater naga t:99 delay:0 03:58:13 levittation is very annoying 03:58:19 especially now that amnesia is finite 03:58:20 i think there is room for 'levitation' and 'flight', or 'flight' and 'better flight' 03:58:21 felirx: axe! axe! 03:58:42 I don't see any reason to memorize it unless you really need to get access to some phat loot early 03:59:04 like: allow, while flying, monsters to not block line of effect 03:59:07 !fight deep dwarf berserker v greater naga t:99 delay:0 03:59:24 (i.e., you can shoot arrows over the heads of enemies; but they can hit you, too) 04:00:01 !fight deep dwarf berserker v antaeus t:99 delay:0 04:00:28 or make flight give a huge EV boost, but it declines the more turns you spend without moving 04:00:32 The zerker doesn't look too bad at all if you squelch it quick 04:00:45 or in confined spaces! 04:00:46 !fight deep dwarf berserker v antaeus arena:river t:9 delay:0 04:00:48 i assumed those are placeholder stats :P 04:01:09 !fight 2 deep dwarf berserker v antaeus arena:river t:9 delay:0 04:01:41 !fight deep dwarf berserker ; dragon armour v orb of fire t:9 delay:0 04:01:46 Damage 10 is pretty sad 04:01:52 greensnark: instead of a significant boost of xp and strength estimate, I'd nerf him by a lot 04:02:09 kilobyte: ? 04:02:16 improving melee output but nearly removing summons 04:02:18 !fight 2 deep dwarf berserker ; dragon armour v orb of fire t:99 delay:0 04:02:24 Ah 04:02:33 I have no idea where DD berserkers are supposed to appear in the game 04:02:37 zig 04:02:42 So I have no idea what's right 04:02:45 they are supposed to be berserkers not summoners 04:02:59 it looks like the orb mostly wins by polymorphing 04:03:00 But yeah, I'd imagined them as hard-hitting armoured tanks 04:03:08 Eronarn: balancing things for Zig is not really a good idea 04:03:15 Maybe they could call in their berserkers as their escape spell 04:03:18 kilobyte: i thought it only showed up in zig now though? 04:03:22 Er, their BiA 04:03:35 dpeg suggested forbidding summons at all until their first berserk ends 04:03:37 do DD mobs heal 04:03:41 greensnark: they should do it, and then berserk, imo 04:03:53 but only once, and not all of the time 04:03:56 and then allowing only one at a time 04:04:14 sorear: they generate with potions, or at least can 04:04:35 there's somehow opposition to giving them dedicated healers 04:04:40 that hasn't been removed yet? wow 04:04:49 I like dedicated healers 04:04:56 blue_anna originally had them dropping !hw and /healing and stuff 04:05:02 Merging levitation and flight (for now) sounds good to me. 04:05:12 I think they still drop potions but not wands 04:05:16 might be wrong 04:05:20 DD zerkers seem like great targets for poly other 04:05:39 yes, potions -- which usually will be guzzled away before you can get them 04:05:49 trog's hand buffs their MR, i hope 04:06:09 I believe it does, unless it's buggy 04:06:10 should give them 63 hd 04:06:18 so when you poly them they turn into 3x golden dragon 04:06:24 sorear: <3 04:06:38 wait can that happen now? :P 04:07:49 Keskitalo: honestly i don't think the status quo is that bad; we should leave it as is until we give it a real try at buffing/differentiating flight 04:07:53 rather than removing it and then adding it back in 04:08:10 so, a quick poll: dpeg's way (no summons till zerk, 1 max later) or Eronarn's (1 summon allowed from the start) 04:08:17 since the difference matters to dracs/kenku 04:08:33 Eronarn: I think it's additions to the game are dubious; best to remove first and see if there really is an opening for an additional effect in the game. 04:08:42 yeah, +1 to status quo for lev/flight for now 04:08:50 I think Crawl has too much of a bias towards adding stuff 04:08:55 We need to axe stuff more often 04:09:02 sorear: Yeah (and I'm guilty too) 04:09:07 so let's talk about halflings! :p 04:09:20 If you remove halflings I'll quit the project. :p 04:09:25 rename to gnomes 04:09:30 then remove 04:09:32 I thought halflings were already removed? 04:09:41 sorear: no, that's felids 04:09:44 (i wish) 04:09:44 (seriously I don't mind the halflings) 04:10:15 anyways halflings don't cost much since they have practically no special code 04:10:30 removing Bone Shards would make a bigger dent 04:10:44 they don't add anything kobolds and spriggans can't do 04:10:48 the Portal spell 04:10:50 i think bone shards is a pretty good candidate for removal 04:11:03 simply because even if it were working as a nec non-conj damage spell... why? 04:11:08 do we really even want such a thing? 04:11:22 insanely tedious to use 04:11:22 alter self, unless there are big plans to revamp it 04:11:37 monky: when i'm around there are always big plans :D 04:11:46 Eronarn: well I remember you had one 04:11:52 temporary mutations from !mut, right? 04:11:55 yes 04:11:59 actually, alter self should just go 04:12:08 for the same reasons divination wet 04:12:10 *went 04:12:14 current alter self should, yes 04:12:18 we can put it back in when someone gets around to coding a better version. 04:12:57 i think current cigotuvi's is questionable 04:13:11 it's not outright useless, but it's... well, questionable :P 04:13:22 it aids rupert farming 04:13:29 speaking of rupert farming, axe tame beasts 04:13:43 or at least change it such as not to make perma-allies 04:13:45 due: removing it would force people to fulsome all uglies from the start, since if you get hit badly in the late game, there'd be no way out 04:13:53 (out of monsters, of course) 04:14:36 tame beasts has a chance to perma-convert, right? 04:14:40 yes 04:14:42 a pretty good one 04:14:50 AS is a very tedious safeguard, but still one 04:14:55 yeah, tame beast could go 04:15:11 someone should make a wiki page for this - I must sleep 04:15:15 * sorear *poof* 04:15:21 i think the current version of dmsl should go 04:15:24 kilobyte: There's always Zin! 04:15:33 we really don't need Spell, Strictly Better Spell 04:15:36 sorear: bie! 04:16:03 even with DMsl, I use RMsl most of the time 04:16:17 Eronarn: it has a small fraction of the duration 04:16:21 kilobyte: What a pity? 04:16:38 Your arguments for keeping AS don't seem any more convincing than your arguments for removing halflings. 04:16:58 oh, you know what we should axe? Draining brand. :P 04:17:13 I don't care one way or another about draining. 04:17:26 Good thing dpeg is here to keep a lid on all the cooks :P 04:17:28 due: are kobolds a scummier, more tedious version of halflings? 04:17:52 yeah, draining is useless 04:18:29 i think there's enough room for another necromantic brand, one based around crippling the target 04:18:33 but that draining is not it at all 04:18:39 aye 04:19:18 draining is that slowly hack away at maxhp, run away to heal up, and repeat brand right 04:19:22 yes 04:19:42 alternately, it's the oops a kobold spawned and hit me and i lost 2000 XP brand 04:20:36 oddly enough some of the things i did for new-recite might work here 04:21:03 for example, rot works on undead stuff; normally it checks rotting resistance just because 04:21:18 but undead can be made to rot away (c.f. fedhas) 04:21:52 you'd have to disable them first 04:22:04 since they are literally moving rotting corpses 04:22:16 disable them? how do you mean? 04:22:32 Replacing draining with rotting of HP? i like this idea. 04:22:41 turn them back into inert corpses somehow 04:23:12 kilobyte: oh, i am talking more an accelerated rot - like the rot status effect - but of such a nature that it harms both the living and the fleshy undead 04:23:38 would this be scummy maxhp damage or would it heal over time 04:24:10 monky: good point 04:24:14 monky: rot damage against monsters subtracts maxHP and also does damage 04:24:28 you're right that we don't want to replicate the draining behavior, of course 04:25:19 degeneration, rather than rot, could be one way of going about that 04:25:53 it's not currently implemented for monsters afaik... but it could be something like, one of -EV / -spell power / -melee damage 04:26:33 equipping the weapon, or casting the brand, could degen you similar to vamp weapons hungering you 04:27:44 since degen is known to work against undead, this could be a plausible way to have a necro brand that isn't 'this, also, hurts living creatures and nothing else' 04:28:23 I'm assuming this requires some degen change such that it isn't "wield this then wait for your stats to heal" 04:28:54 monky: not healing while you wield it would be a good start 04:29:35 i don't think it's that bad if someone wields it, fights, unwields it, rests up a bunch - that will add up in respawns, monsters waking up, etc. 04:29:47 can go upstairs 04:30:17 except in very bad situations 04:31:14 some way to transfer the degenn'd stats back to yourself could be an interesting counterpoint 04:31:24 like how old vamp upped your hunger, but you got satiation from hitting things 04:31:44 wouldn't want it to be the quick and easy way to restore statrot though 04:32:57 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:07 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:17 I checked -- no tourney winner memorized either Bone Shards or Tame Beasts 04:33:45 http://sprunge.us/LEgG 04:34:08 rupert farming... :( 04:34:26 rupert farming? <3 04:34:54 did anyone actually do that? 04:35:28 i don't think anyone has yet though the theory is sound 04:35:38 lots of proof-of-concept, but I don't think anyone has done it with rupert himself in a real game 04:35:59 @?? rupert 04:35:59 Rupert (04@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 123 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 21 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2993 | Sp: paralyse, confuse, berserker rage. 04:36:04 what *is* ruper farming? 04:36:06 how do you farm him 04:36:07 ... rupert farming even. 04:36:13 I just like the sound of it. 04:36:22 * due starts a rupert farm, for disposessed rueprts. 04:36:45 I know m-kaibigan farmed polymorphed jellies with tame beasts, and I think rwbarton tamed a rupert beast in wizmode 04:36:56 due: poly rupert into a beast; tame beasts; poly permaally rupert into a pulsating lump; poly that into a jelly; feed jelly until it splits - you now have two ruperts 04:37:00 enjoy 04:37:07 ... interesting. 04:37:08 (they still cast spells) 04:37:12 hm 04:37:21 does it work? 04:37:28 I thought it was rupert -> jelly -> ruperts -> beasts -> nifty things 04:37:39 because if you try to poly anything with good intelligence it'll get mad at you 04:37:46 so you have to do it on the jellies 04:37:48 oh, that's true 04:37:56 yeah 04:37:57 Why does it have to be rupert? 04:38:02 it doesn't have to be rupert 04:38:04 sorear: it's called rupert farming 04:38:40 I imagine norris would be good too, if you prefer invisible smiting red wasps over berserking red wasps 04:40:27 you can do some pretty weird things with jiyva also 04:40:44 like get friendly slime demons 04:40:59 how do you do that 04:41:09 slimify or cigotuvi a summoner 04:41:43 unfortunately friendly slimes don't follow you down stairs 04:42:12 "unfortunately". 04:42:17 otherwise you could slimify an ancient lich and get a horde of random 1s neutral-attacking the entire level 04:44:06 moin 04:44:22 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.7 * r3654e4f16668 10/crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc: A command-line argument --print-charset to query the i/o encoding Crawl wants. 04:51:35 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.6 * r067596c51ee2 10/crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc: A command-line argument --print-charset to query the i/o encoding Crawl wants. 04:58:21 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:59:07 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:13:44 -!- Twilight13 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:14:29 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:49 !lg * zotdef win 05:14:49 1. Ereshkigal the Royal Jelly (L27 TrWr), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-12-08, with 68000742 points after 21057 turns and 4:34:35. 05:19:31 for a list that includes 0-count spells: http://sprunge.us/bBaH 05:20:14 i did a chain lightning game the other week 05:20:27 sorted by usage: http://sprunge.us/ORfK 05:21:25 I tried it in 0.4 (mostly Pan and Tomb), it was useless. People said it's "kick-ass in zigs", I tried it in again in 0.8 a couple of weeks ago, and it's just useless. 05:21:33 er, chain not CBL 05:21:34 sorry 05:22:56 note Crystal Spear being reduced to a fringe spell 05:24:03 so these are the spells memorized at the end of the game, rather than by the end of the game? 05:24:27 at the end, yes 05:24:32 good point 05:25:21 a little surprised two people learned warp weapon 05:25:26 I'd lose the initial spell, but I can look for " 1390 | D:6 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation" 05:26:15 yes, same with Maxwell's Silver Hammer 05:26:33 152 Summon Butterflies 05:26:36 can we nerf this already 05:27:00 ignite poison would be better at a lower level 05:27:01 it's absurd that a L1 spell with such an effect on the battlefield has remained for so long 05:27:06 why does resist poison exist? 05:27:20 kill it with fire 05:27:25 i use resist poison sometimes it was just annoying when it didn't have a status light 05:27:29 hey, I learn Resist Poison quite often 05:27:34 prune everything, leave only cold spells! 05:27:41 bolt of draining - this could get whatever draining weapons got 05:28:01 maxwell's pruning shears! 05:28:03 death channel would be nice at a lower level too 05:28:07 statue form - this should lose the speed reduction and just be ponderous 05:28:07 ignite poison is just difficult to cast because it's an awkward combo 05:28:17