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Use !messages to read it. 05:11:53 !messagges 05:11:56 !messages 05:11:56 (1/1) dpeg said (16h 56m 16s ago): I recall why I called you last time: monsters pushing me around is awesome, but sometimes they can't, because there's a wall behind me. We don't want players to cheat like this. So additional crushing damage? 05:12:08 Sure? 05:12:40 due: sometime told me that I confused due with doy. 05:12:46 :) 05:12:50 But hey, all those morons with nicks starting with D around here. 05:12:51 * due grins. 05:13:04 * due watching archaeology show. 05:14:17 hmm.. at the moment, a level built by _roguey_level is sometimes (50% chance) overwritten with _builder_basic later. 05:14:24 it would be very nice for the code if that wasn't the case 05:14:42 additionally, it seems to me that both roguey_level and builder_basic generate decent levels on their own, without being stamped one on top of another 05:15:01 Zaba: does the mixture look interesting? 05:15:19 dpeg, in many cases, pretty much nothing remains of what roguey_level built when builder_basic overwrites it 05:15:43 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:16:17 dpeg, in other cases, it just looks like a mixture of two different layouts 05:16:49 Zaba: so be bold and declare that mixture=bad. 05:16:56 (And then rip it out.) 05:17:13 it's not hard to rip it out, the question I have is whether anybody wants it to stay 05:17:29 I don't, but my opinion is just too biased by implementation details 05:17:35 does it overwrite, or build atop? 05:17:55 kilobyte, build atop.. but builder_basic's levels quite often take up most of the level anyway 05:18:13 kilobyte, and in cases when they don't, remaints of the roguey level look out of place :P 05:18:19 at least layout_misc relies on building atop -- so the "real" layout ends up being mere additions jutting out of rooms 05:18:28 Zaba: if you're really conservative, ask on c-r-d. Otherwise, asking here is good enough, imo. 05:18:54 well, if you think so, you know better than me, since you actually researched it 05:19:00 kilobyte, er.. layout_misc can't be overwritten by builder_basic 05:19:22 only roguey_level can be 05:20:10 Zaba: no, layout_misc gets spotty_map added to it 05:20:27 kilobyte, I know, but that's unrelated 05:20:46 with spotty_map taking up most of it, with just remains of the original layout_misc 05:21:01 both roguey_level and builder_basic are complete level generators on their own 05:21:03 yeah, but the concept is the same 05:22:00 whereas dgn.spotty_map isn't really.. it's just a helper function 05:23:45 kilobyte, the only cases when _builder_normal returns true are when it has built nothing, when it has built a special room and when it has built a roguey_level 05:23:56 and that causes builder_basic to be called 05:24:23 I want to reduce it to only when nothing has been built and when a special room has been built 05:24:55 and that makes removing special rooms easier 05:28:54 if you say so, you're probably right 05:29:43 (not because you are right by definition, but I, not having a clue about the details, can bring no valuable answer to your question) 05:29:45 Turning the special rooms into vaults is a good idea, I think. 05:29:51 and that, too 05:30:29 http://sprunge.us/NDRD is one way a roguey+basic level can look like 05:30:43 but that's mostly roguey, with just a little chaos added by basic 05:31:52 dpeg: staves of poison. They max up at 30% chance of inflicting a dose of poison, and even that if your poison skill is very high. Any lousy dagger of venom you find on D:1 has a 50% chance of doing that just for hitting. 05:31:55 kilobyte, my question is, is anybody who cares about the dungeon from gameplay perspective going to miss the layout? 05:32:30 because if I made every little change I see fit from the code perspective, a lot of old functionality would be missing by now :P 05:32:37 dpeg: I want to make staves 50% _or_ skill-in-8 05:32:44 kilobyte: go ahead! 05:32:59 Zaba: you should also go ahead. The status quo is not sacrosanct. 05:33:00 Zaba: not sure how it differs from basic or roguey :( 05:33:22 If we find we need a new (perhaps as an old) layout, we can add it in the new, better framework. 05:33:37 dpeg, okay, I'll go ahead with this, then 05:33:41 and with special rooms, too :P 05:33:44 cool 05:34:12 Just explain in the commit messages what you threw away, so that it's easier to find in case someone wants to investigate. 05:34:23 dpeg: the only claimed reason is "to let the Staff of Olgreb shine" -- which merely has the mundane venom brand. That I'll change to the same chances as regular staves, with being unresistable (like poison arrow) 25% of the time. 05:34:53 yes, Olgreb shouldn't e "special" by only this 05:34:54 later 05:37:18 is there a way to force a roguey map? 05:37:28 kilobyte, unfortunately, no 05:37:35 kilobyte, well, without modifying the source 05:44:51 if &d &E says "level build method = roguey_level [11] basic [11]", that's the mixture, right? 05:45:01 yeah 05:48:30 50 levels later, still not a single pure roguey 05:48:40 kilobyte, it's a 50% chance 05:48:56 you're just out of luck :P 05:49:43 oh, an unrelated bug: "Unable to find exit from erik_lair_2" -- and the lair entry is indeed disconnected 05:50:13 how was the level built? 05:50:33 level build method = plan_main [9] plan_3 [9] 05:50:34 level layout type = rooms; Level extras: 05:50:50 I see a bug in the vault... but shouldn't the level be vetoed? 05:50:58 "Start Zot Defence characters near the Orb." <3 05:51:16 it should be vetoed if it gets more zones after vault placement than it had before 05:51:17 I think 05:51:44 kilobyte, oh wait, that vault is supposed to be that way 05:51:51 vaults count as always connected, right? 05:51:53 kilobyte, the boring beetles dig out eventually 05:52:30 ... 05:52:41 the vault is nothing new, either 05:52:47 and the error message pops up only in debug mode, right? 05:53:49 yes 06:01:33 03kilobyte * r8a95023f2981 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Boost staves of venom. Olgreb becomes 1/4 irresistible. 06:06:11 hm.. can one use KITEM and MONS on a single '1'? 06:07:20 I think you need KMONS. 06:08:28 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:26:07 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:37 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:50 03kilobyte * r91c59bac7c1b 10/crawl-ref/source/art-func.h: Fix staff of Olgreb on demons with no rPois. 06:35:00 03kilobyte * r6205d3cc8a2d 10/crawl-ref/source/enum.h: Comment fix for dummies that actually spawn. 06:35:06 03kilobyte * r1e65bafe7623 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix the properties of the gnome from the "extinct species" vault. 06:35:45 hmmm. 06:43:41 enne, ping? 06:44:51 oh whoa 06:47:08 due, do you know anything about subvaults? 06:47:38 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:27 Zaba: what do you need to know? 06:49:10 well.. I figured that they don't check DEPTH of the subvaults, only the tag 06:49:16 I need them to do so in order to reimplement special rooms 06:49:29 it's an easy code change, but it could break existing uses of subvaults... 06:49:53 and well. Maybe it's also incorrect and such. 06:50:29 but.. right now, it seems like special rooms using subvaults work 06:50:29 is there a reason special rooms need a tag at all? What about just using ordinary vaults? 06:50:49 kilobyte, I will use vaults from builder/rooms.des as subvaults 06:51:01 kilobyte, it works at the moment, even 06:51:07 it just doesn't consider DEPTH when picking them 06:52:20 hmm.. nothing breaks when I make it check DEPTH 06:52:29 I mean, vault:8 and mu's vestibule don't break :P 06:54:29 :) 06:54:39 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55:39 hmm. 06:56:39 I believe it works... 06:57:09 Let us now praise Enne. :) 06:57:18 famous Finns 06:57:26 wait.. I now need to figure out what to do with the remaining special room crap. 07:01:31 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:08 hi 07:02:31 moin galehar 07:02:33 hmm.. 07:08:51 -!- Vandal| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:12:31 -!- Vandal| has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:34 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:13:58 galehar: did you treat all menus or just the skill menu? 07:14:02 Awesome stuff, btw :) 07:14:23 only skill menu 07:14:28 you tried it? 07:15:07 sure: pull, make, wizmode 07:15:50 cool 07:16:41 so, who can help me with the tile bug? keskitalo? 07:18:26 enne? 07:19:19 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:20 -!- Zaba has quit [Changing host] 07:19:20 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:46 galehar: one bit: can you make the reskilling progress page come up first (if available)? 07:20:03 hmm 07:20:04 it does 07:20:23 or it should. Have you tried? 07:21:06 yes! 07:21:28 does it work for you? 07:21:47 is there some map tag that prevents it from being picked by depth or chance, but still lets it be chosen by tag? 07:21:50 yes, it did when I tested it 07:22:02 doing everything once more over here :) 07:22:14 Zaba: not that I am aware of 07:23:02 hm... 07:23:04 I think that there is 07:23:20 but it's not documented or used anywhere :/ 07:23:53 it's 'unrand' 07:24:43 dpeg, ever heard of that? 07:25:25 no, might be hidden 07:25:33 yeah, it's not documented, but it's in the code 07:25:35 it's not something we vaultmakers ever need to use 07:25:48 indeed, but it's useful for the special room subvaults 07:25:51 at least I think so 07:26:03 since they have DEPTH, legitimately, but shouldn't be normally picked by it 07:35:33 galehar: just tested again, still no progress up front 07:35:56 ok, will check that 07:40:57 dpeg: did you start a new char, or was it an existing one? 07:41:01 new one 07:41:23 &_ash, then &^200, then reskilling 07:41:32 ah ok 07:41:50 so no progress while reskilling, or when checking skill menu with m? 07:42:46 ok.. 07:43:01 dpeg, I've rewritten special rooms as minivaults.. 07:47:52 dpeg, now I just need to fix roguey_level so it can properly place special rooms again 07:48:06 that is, I need to rewrite it in lua 07:48:12 galehar: when checking skill menu with m, you have to press !! to see the progress screen. 07:48:23 Zaba: more power to you! 07:48:25 given the previous change regarding its overwriting with _builder_basic, there's no obstacle to that, just routine work 07:48:43 dpeg, special rooms now always get doors, is that ok? 07:48:55 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:57 due to the nature of the way minivaults are connected to the rest of the level, that makes most sense 07:49:14 they used to get doors when corridor length was 0, and now that's pretty much always the case 07:49:40 Zaba: they could be doorless before? 07:49:44 dpeg, yes 07:49:49 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:50:01 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 07:50:07 but well. I guess it's fine by you if the behaviour changes, and if it's fine by you, it's objectively fine :P 07:50:07 ah, I see, when they already were connected 07:51:09 dpeg, and it's fine if the behaviour changes, right? 07:51:16 not that anybody's gonna die because of that 07:51:27 well, aside from those who relied on the corridors to special rooms to clear them :P 07:51:39 but I always hated that strategy anyway :P 07:51:41 Zaba: sure it is okay 07:52:16 As I said before, if we're unhappy with anything after the builder rewrite (I doubt it), we'd try to do it anew, and better. 07:52:25 Just keep going on :) 07:52:36 I am 07:53:04 we'll bitch only after you put the effort :p 07:53:34 nope :) 07:53:54 * dpeg hands kilobyte a muzzle. 08:03:12 kilobyte: does the staff of poison still need to pass the evoc/15 check to get its chance to poison things? 08:04:08 * dpeg takes kilobyte's muzzle and applies it to himself. 08:08:06 dpeg: thanks! 08:08:27 MarvinPA: no, like that of necromancy or weapons of venom 08:08:48 aha cool 08:09:00 uhm, wrong 08:09:15 i thought necromancy did need the evoc check too though 08:09:23 it does, that function is not called if you don't pass the check 08:09:34 yeah :( 08:11:39 if anything, i think it'd be cool for the normal staff to be able to ignore rPois at high evoc/poison magic, considering how much damage the other caster staves can do 08:12:32 since olgreb has the evocable venom bolt/toxic radiance which is really good 08:13:48 it's strange why using a staff in melee doesn't train evoc 08:14:55 yeah, i think they're underused even though they're quite powerful, just because it's such a hassle to get the initial 15 evoc 08:15:37 Mu_: Nice zotdef win 08:15:56 !lg * win zotdef 08:15:56 1. Ereshkigal the Royal Jelly (L27 TrWr), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-12-08, with 68000742 points after 21057 turns and 4:34:35. 08:16:08 moin greensnark 08:16:18 Yo 08:16:31 Mu_: how crucial was the god? 08:16:48 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:17 too bad this trick doesn't work anymore as I fixed the bug :p 08:17:26 kilobyte: spamming plants? 08:17:33 still, even with it, winning zotdef is a great feat 08:17:55 What are the final waves composed of? 08:17:57 dpeg: if there are 700 monsters, no new ones may spawn 08:18:12 kilobyte: argh 08:18:32 * dpeg expects a polka line of Pan lords. 08:19:40 I got a centaur as the first wave boss in one of my recent games 08:19:42 It was hilarious 08:20:12 I was standing on the orb and waving at it to go away and it completely ignored me and very impolitely shot me several times 08:20:43 !lg . zotdef killer=~centaur 08:20:43 1. greensnark the Chiller (L2 NaIE), shot by Skupyen the centaur (arrow) on D:1 (zotvault) on 2010-12-09, with 29 points after 232 turns and 0:01:45. 08:21:52 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:23:09 kilobyte: that 700 monster thing was fixed? or not? 08:24:12 casmith789: hard caps now on what you can plant 08:24:22 not the question I asked! 08:26:04 er... if I'm reading this right, any pan wave will most likely crash 08:26:49 casmith789: if you manage to get 700 hostiles, they of course can't spawn, but there's no way to do this using the Zot abilities 08:26:55 there is 08:27:01 I've done it 08:27:16 yes but you kept rotting every turn 08:28:56 kilobyte: No, he also did it without using the DD thing, I think 08:29:20 could you explain? If so, that's a bug that needs to be fixed. 08:29:28 I don't know the details 08:29:57 No doubt casmith789 can enlighten us :P 08:30:05 in theory you could block a hostile permanent butterfly with a plant, but I know of no way to get it to a place you need 08:30:59 I'd say fix the issue, but also put in a failsafe of some kind 08:31:21 Maybe cull low-HD monsters from both friendlies and hostiles if the monster vector fills up 08:31:34 "fix"... how? Even with the limit at 5600, the monsters still won't be able to pop out. 08:31:35 casmith789: care to tell us? 08:31:51 Increasing the limit is a bad idea, the game already gets horribly slow with 700 monsters 08:32:01 And it's eating poor Napking's CPU :) 08:32:10 if you block the way with something monsters can't get past, you can keep the orb safe for all eternity 08:32:24 one such thing is a hostile sapling 08:32:35 Nice 08:32:42 yes, stationary hostiles 08:33:03 in an act of progressiveness, such monsters should self-destruct 08:33:05 Fedhas + rain 08:33:14 Isn't Fedhas disabled 08:33:20 * greensnark back later. 08:33:25 The sapling says: "I will serve the cause best by withering away." 08:36:02 why is fedhas disabled? 08:37:56 most monsters can't cross water 08:39:06 water card... 08:40:23 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:31 Cryp71c: hi! 08:41:03 dpeg, morning 08:41:03 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:41:05 !messages 08:41:06 (1/1) dpeg said (4d 17h 5m 25s ago): Hi, I am here. Been busy etc. You can always write a mail btw :) 08:41:18 dpeg, yeah, I don't ever write mails much :) 08:41:20 Cryp71c: there is a DS patch on Mantis. Would you comment? 08:41:26 Certainly 08:41:29 cool 08:41:33 I will do as well. 08:41:46 Still owe Marvin a reply on the unrandarts. 08:47:48 hm 08:51:33 dpeg, k, replied. In short, all 3 look good, the 3rd patch which makes changes to the tier1 stealth scale mutation aren't supported, its a t1 mutation and 25/50/75 +stealth is already a fair amount. 08:53:08 Cryp71c: thanks for the comments :) 08:53:18 MarvinPA, np 08:53:46 Thanks for the initiative. Regarding the fire facets, I welcome ideas for revisions which make the fire facets as cool as the ice ones. 08:54:15 yeah, i was trying to think of something new instead of just merging them into one but didn't have any great ideas 08:55:59 hellfire's fairly awesome at high xl though, and should be cool as a rare active ability with the lower hp cost 08:58:32 yeah, hellfire should definitely stay in one of the fire facets, but a new mechanic (or a new twist on an old mechanic) for the other fire facet would be quite cool. 09:05:41 i think jiyva is the best god for zotdef yeah 09:06:56 by the end of the game i had about 10 acid blobs and 10 azure jellies plus dozens of slime creatures sat directly on top of the stairs, nothing could really survive that 09:08:03 the regular zot map is very easy precisely because there is only one stair room also 09:09:25 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:01 * greensnark uses Slimify on Mu_ 09:13:46 Did Dispater manage to get past the stair cordon of slimes? 09:13:54 no 09:14:29 if there are too many pets blocking up squares near the staircases then some monsters will spawn randomly around the map instead of spawning near the staircases 09:14:39 i got unlucky that dispater was one of the randoms 09:15:24 i should have memorized teleport other to clear out some of the slimes to maintain space 09:15:59 BTW, you can worship Fedhas in zotdef. Just draw a common Trowel or explore the Abyss for a while. 09:16:55 Mu_: did he manage to do something? 09:17:12 He seemed to die pretty tamely :P 09:17:22 this random spawn placement thing had me worried for a while, because some monsters had randomly spawned in the glass rooms to the point of filling all squares, meaning i couldn't get into those rooms at all even with teleport. if a rune monster had been placed in there i would not have been able to get that room. 09:17:38 damn. 09:17:39 I fail. 09:17:49 denying me a rune i suppose (can't be certain) 09:18:15 diapter died under the crushing weight of a thousand oklobs 09:18:43 he was the one monster i had to use the exp bug to kill, but i don't feel to bad about it since he shouldn't have gotten there anyway :P 09:19:00 greensnark, I fail at rewriting roguey_level in lua :/ 09:19:25 why would you want to kill any specific monster? 09:19:39 if they are in the glass rooms, let them sit 09:20:28 i noticed that one of the runes was generated nowhere near the staircases, in a zot lung. i surmised that the rune is generated on the spot that a particular monster is place at. is that not correct? 09:20:35 ah right, the rune spawns on the ground, but where the monster goes 09:20:42 right 09:21:09 safer to generate it on an actual staircase if possible 09:21:43 it's not game over, you will get extra demonics 09:22:00 oh that's good 09:24:03 greensnark, I guess I'll try beating it into working some more 09:24:25 Zaba: What's the trouble? :P 09:24:42 Zaba: why would you insist on doing that in Lua? 09:24:58 kilobyte, because I'm rewriting it to use subvaults for special rooms 09:25:07 you can call back to C++ and do it in a sane language 09:25:27 kilobyte, I've already redone normal special rooms as minivaults, locally 09:25:32 it might end up in an unholy mix, but you can always do it 09:25:33 roguey level's the only remaining issue :P 09:34:55 i liked when all the zotdef runes were decaying btw, it made sense with the orb rotting you :P 09:35:15 Mu_: :p 09:45:27 wtf 09:46:07 it seems to work.. but I don't know why 09:47:05 -!- clouded has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:31 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:38 oh yay, it works 10:17:18 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:43 03Cryp71c * r8d9ba3e0b2d3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc mutation.cc player.cc): MarvinPA's patch additions to Demonspawn 10:34:08 !tell dpeg I like StudioMK's idea for Demonic Wings (https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:demonspawn_brainstorming) 3/4 of the way down. As a rough start for a possible facet. 10:34:09 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 10:36:47 I read that as Demonic Wigs 10:36:55 :) 10:37:03 Demonic wigs! Zomg! They hair, its killing me! 10:37:19 03zaba * r142803880399 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Prevent _roguey_level from being overwritten by _builder_basic. 10:37:23 03zaba * ree0416157810 10/crawl-ref/source/mapdef.cc: Check subvault depth when picking a subvault by tag. 10:37:24 03zaba * rd904f99c51d1 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt: Add the "unrand" vault tag to docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt. 10:37:24 03zaba * rb0709cd0d0a0 10/crawl-ref/source/maps.cc: Check whether layout type matches for vaults placed by DEPTH+CHANCE. 10:37:25 03zaba * r38d2fd2039b5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Convert special rooms to a minivault that uses subvaults. 10:37:27 03zaba * r5ebeaec64a8c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/builder/layout.des dungeon.cc): Rewrite _roguey_level in lua. 10:37:28 03zaba * r0431a893dfd3 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Remove some functions that are no longer used. 10:37:48 Zaba seems to be compensating for his use of GNU screen 10:38:08 and that means what exactly? :P 10:38:38 It's like atonement for your sins 10:38:57 uh oh 10:38:58 well 10:39:03 there's a lot to clean up, I think 10:43:32 -!- clouded is now known as st_ 10:47:11 7133 while (level_number < 1500); // ie forever 10:47:12 wtf 10:50:01 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:13 Zaba: A very deep zig? :D 10:51:28 Zao, it's meant to loop forever.. 10:51:58 zigs don't use level_number for their level 10:52:14 what is it looping 10:52:49 syllogism, it's in _big_room, it makes nested rooms or something 11:18:11 Does akrasiac not list CDO games anymore? It hides my win! :) 11:18:11 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:19:11 03dolorous * rffbb4b2b6a28 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Allow the various deep dwarf types to show up in the Abyss. 11:20:02 Zaba, galehar: pong 11:20:35 enne, I converted special rooms into subvaultism 11:20:37 err, subvaults 11:20:47 Hooray, Cult of Subvaultism! 11:21:04 enne, and I think I've screwed things up in progress :P 11:21:21 that is, aside from the known functionality changes 11:21:28 I'm sure you can sort it out. :) 11:21:40 dpeg: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring-alpha/overview 11:21:50 enne, in particular, I'm not too sure about default_subvault_glyphs use in dat/des/builder/rooms.des 11:21:56 enne, it works, but... 11:22:58 what I'm saying is, it could use an expert's glance 11:23:20 If you pastebin it, I'll take a look. 11:23:26 it's in git 11:24:21 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:44 On a branch? 11:24:50 no, in master 11:24:53 Oh! 11:25:11 <- doesn't have time to watch commits these days. *sheepish* 11:25:22 well, it's not exactly sweeping changes, since all the functional differences were negotiated with dpeg beforehand :P 11:28:29 Zaba: That seems exactly what default_subvault_glyphs was intended for. 11:28:37 enne, yes, but is it valid to call it on _G? 11:31:23 Isn't that what ends up happening when you just call it on its own directly within a vault definition and not in a function? 11:31:57 I think what happens when is dgn.function 11:32:03 rather than _G.function 11:32:17 no idea whether there's a difference or anything, though... 11:34:41 03zaba * r2a2b7a35be0d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc mon-place.cc): Remove DNGN_BUILDER_SPECIAL_{WALL,FLOOR}-related code. 11:34:43 03zaba * ra900e108c3b2 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Fix an obsolete comment. 11:36:45 Zaba: clua/dungeon.lua is what sets up _G. 11:37:24 My memory is failing this morning, but I thought it wrapped calls to dgn.foo(map, ...) so that you could just call :foo(...) or _G.foo(...) without passing around the map? 11:38:20 oh well, either way, it works. 11:41:04 enne, I wonder what to do with all the uses of spec_room in the code.. 11:41:16 enne, only the ones that aren't really related to special rooms are remaining now 11:41:35 Rip them out! :) 11:41:41 namely, octa_room and _chequerboard 11:42:19 enne, I wonder whether dgn_region is a good replacement. 11:42:36 Octa room has a lua implementation. You could make that a subvault too. ;) 11:42:51 well.. no, not yet. 11:43:17 if at all. I'm really not sure what to do with _builder_basic. 11:43:55 _builer_basic and _builder_extras, to be precise 11:49:39 I haven't looked at dungeon.cc enough lately to have good ideas about how to clean that up. 11:50:20 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:54:41 st_: thank you 11:55:41 Enne is too noble to mention how he improved octaroom tremendously by lualising it :) 11:57:10 s/he/they/ 11:57:30 I think I just got carried away by adding variations. ;) 11:58:42 no, it is awesome now 11:58:47 I absolutely love it! 12:09:08 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:59 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:22:21 enne, http://thorium.homeunix.org/~zaba/builder.png 12:22:39 enne, that's only the middle of the iceberg, but I think it gives quite an overview for dungeon.cc 12:28:29 Phew, that's a bit of a mess. 12:29:07 It used to be worse :> 12:29:37 I'd believe it. 12:29:52 Zaba: Thanks for all your efforts to make it better. :) 12:30:41 no problem.. 12:32:35 -!- stabwound has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:33:05 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:04 03j-p-e-g * r279415f1b00c 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon/animals/tentacles/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Add first part of psyshvl's new kraken tentacles, some modified by me. 12:45:16 03j-p-e-g * r735fe902866c 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (49 files in 7 dirs): Move tentacle tiles into new directory dc-mon/kraken. 12:45:17 03j-p-e-g * r2160212b95e1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (rltiles/dc-mon.txt tilepick.cc): Use new kraken tentacle tiles for segments with only 1 neighbour. 12:49:59 random thought: what if we merged the draining and vampiric brands? 13:05:54 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:12 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:11 03j-p-e-g * r56f3127a9f19 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc: Use directional tentacle tiles if adjacent to disturbed shallow water. 13:32:15 03j-p-e-g * r37acfd9dd11d 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-corpse.txt: Update kraken corpse tile location. Whoops! 13:32:16 03j-p-e-g * r657fc6c3e06f 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc: Fix tentacle tiles leaking information about submerged monsters. 13:39:20 there are definitely bugs around rotting of the orb in zot defence 13:45:43 really? I'm so surprised! 13:45:58 it would be great if you described what you found, though 13:49:02 you rot a lot faster than 2hp/turn if you are near the orb/in melee with the monster 13:49:33 I haven't figured out the rules 13:49:43 which is why I didn't produce a bug report 13:50:07 hmm, I already fixed a similar bug a couple of days ago, but my fix may be buggy 13:53:21 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:43 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:04 03kilobyte * r44d50a775c2f 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Fix several mis-sized tiles. 14:03:06 03kilobyte * rdbf190965915 10/crawl-ref/source/zotdef.cc: Test more than 15 runes in the zotdef test. 14:03:06 03kilobyte * r5d3c1074c552 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: ZotDef: let monsters kill their own oklobs in the way (which you made and angered). 14:03:10 03kilobyte * rb03ab3ea3acb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des tilepick.cc): Fix indentation. 14:03:32 :( My kiku altar is hidden away somewhere. 14:03:39 kilobyte: is this fix applied in normal crawl too? 14:03:47 no 14:03:52 interesting 14:04:24 there are no immobile monsters who should be killed 14:04:37 an oklob can be nastier than an executioner 14:05:24 I doubt that 14:06:44