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Use !messages to read them. 03:44:28 !messages 03:44:28 (1/2) Eronarn said (1d 7h 21m 4s ago): Implemented new race, ready for testing. https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:octopus 03:44:38 !messages 03:44:38 (1/1) galehar said (9h 55m 54s ago): about your post on rgrm, <3 the scythe :) 03:44:42 haha 03:44:55 hey dpeg :) 03:46:10 galehar: fully improvised within five minutes 03:48:24 re the octopus, I am not so sure 03:48:37 If we want a multiple ring species, I'd try out the felids first 03:50:52 even if, having code quirks resolved can be a nice start 03:51:19 dpeg: I did the antitraining as double XP cost 03:52:04 galehar: yes, I saw! <3 03:52:21 kilobyte: you're in favour of the species? 03:54:32 no, certainly not at this point 03:54:34 03kilobyte * ra0c8331f0b18 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/UNUSED/worn/ (enchantress_dagger.png spriggan_defshield.png): Put two of Poor Yurik's submissions into UNUSED/ 03:54:40 03kilobyte * rc2f7573d49ba 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Add custom clouds for Tornado, coloured in a spiral pattern. 03:54:50 this doesn't mean they are a dead avenue, though 03:57:41 ok 04:03:55 do we have a list of contributors with emails somewhere? I'm interested in those who do not have any commits -- ie, they sent patches without git metadata or contributions in some other form. 04:05:17 there's 20k commits, even reading the commit messages would be a daunting task 04:05:50 kilobyte: no, no such list 04:13:07 for Tornado, Eronarn suggested to use normal clouds and colour them in a spiral pattern. This looks much better than before, but then only if all the effect's radius is 100% covered by clouds. Which is bad if there's any terrain underneath -- especially in Shoals/etc. 04:16:11 I just pushed this version if you want to take a look 04:35:06 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:38 dpeg: I've added cross/anti training to m-screen. I also changed the hints to fit it into 3 lines. Now, how do I explain the crosstraining aptitude bonus displayed in blue and skill providing providing the bonus marked with * and same with antitraining in 80 chars? 04:52:55 hm 04:53:32 perhaps no explanation is necessary? 04:53:47 (We will explain in the manual, of course.) 04:53:59 ok 04:54:14 but you suggested rewording the current help to make room for this 04:54:41 sure :) 04:55:02 But let us look at the current screen... perhaps the * and the colours are strong enough. If not, we'll find a clause. 04:55:32 ok, so for now, I don't change the help line then? 04:55:39 yeah 04:55:53 we're the skill tiles pushed in at some point? 04:55:58 galehar: is the reskilling finished thus far? 04:56:12 no 04:56:19 What's left to do? 04:56:25 I still have to make the menu use the m-screen layout 04:56:59 make it so each skill display x -> y after first one selected (to know how much you will gain) 04:57:11 and implement progressive reskilling 04:57:18 but I have a lot of time today 04:57:34 I should be able to do at least the first 2 04:57:46 hey, cool 04:58:06 felirx: what are the skill tiles? 04:58:08 I made a (short!) list with items how to finish up Ash. 04:58:22 Denzi produced a set a month or two ago 04:58:25 kilobyte: Would you be interested in tackling some of them? If not, I'll start asking around. 05:00:46 like, the scrying+smite bug? Or being able to tell scary monsters from popcorn? 05:01:35 I'm not sure what to do with identify on sight, too 05:02:34 since if there are unidentified items you can auto-id under some circumstances (like, having a cursed item of them same type worn), this encourages running to every single such item on the ground 05:02:52 felirx: looks nice. I'll add them once I have finished Ash's reskilling. 05:02:55 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:15 did you already go ahead and convert the current skill screens to the new menu then? 05:03:42 kilobyte: let me check 05:04:22 what? I'm not changing the current skill screen (appart from adding cross/anti training info) 05:04:54 1. Passive monster detection should use a three or four tier system. Always the same glyph, differentiate by glyph, relative to player XP (or XL). 05:04:57 mainly that's the easiest way to add tiles to items 05:05:07 I'll do that sometime next week 05:05:14 2. * 05:05:14 Reading Enchant Weapon/Armour should not uncurse as usual: Ashenzari preserves the curse. 05:05:17 felirx and galehar in the same room, hot! 05:06:52 I agree with 1, 2 is kind of hard to explain. 05:07:40 kilobyte: "Ashenzari preserves the curse" is the message to be printed! 05:07:46 (but that's no converting to Scientology or squarelos, if you feel strongly about it, I can do it without whining) 05:07:49 ok then 05:10:35 what colours would you like for detected monsters? 05:10:53 someone proposed the ones for glow: 05:11:08 grey, yellow, red, lightred (?) 05:11:25 I bet they play Crawl 24/7 at Scientology HQ :) 05:12:05 Surr (L11 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1569 failed. (D:1 (Sprint)) 05:12:09 Surr (L11 MiBe) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1569 failed. (D:1 (Sprint)) 05:12:41 do we use { for something else as well? 05:13:07 detected item 05:13:14 detected shit 05:13:19 only those, I think 05:19:21 also, these are colored using a separate setting rather than feature= or monster= 05:19:30 ns. hyvää palvelua 05:19:44 # detected_monster_colour = lightred 05:19:44 Oops, ignore that. 05:19:44 # detected_item_colour = green 05:19:44 # remembered_monster_colour = darkgrey 05:22:00 kilobyte: yes 05:22:20 dpeg: how should we handle Ashenzari blocking enchant foo with an unknown scroll? 05:22:43 kilobyte: the scroll is identified if it uncurses something. So no change required. 05:23:41 "Your gleaming runed dildo glows silver for a moment. Ashenzari preserves the curse."? 05:28:17 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:29:04 kilobyte: yes! 05:34:27 there'll be four settings that the user can modify. Doing this via monster= would require fake monsters, by feature= not, but I guess the latter would be unintuitive. 05:35:39 mon_glyph = easy detected monster : pink 05:36:20 Is that ok? If so, we should decide on the name ("detected monster"?) and four adjectives. 05:40:46 yes, that's good 05:41:05 trivial, easy, tough, nasty? 05:41:13 m'kay 05:41:46 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:53 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:14 galehar: your proposal for acid resistance information is very good 05:54:47 cool :) 05:55:13 Once I have finished reskilling, I'll code it if Arxale doesn't 05:59:10 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:59:22 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: Yes, Virginia...] 06:01:52 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:14 dpeg: antennae currently use lighred { -- should they continue to do so if that's the highest category for Ash? 06:17:20 kilobyte: no, I don't think so. 06:17:51 Better to have a dedicated antenna colour. 06:32:19 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:51 03kilobyte * r26b951591a03 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc itemprop.cc itemprop.h): Ashenzari: block scrolls of enchant foo from removing curses. 07:00:52 03kilobyte * r410a0af17beb 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Ashenzari: don't list cursed items at max enchanment. 07:02:05 kilobyte: thank you! 07:02:31 * dpeg enters Scientology in return. 07:15:19 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:29 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:04 dpeg: about progressive reskilling. What to do if the player use the ability again while the previous transfer isn't finished? Is it ok to interrupt old transfer? (simplest code, only one transfer active at any time) 08:48:25 -!- pakoito has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:30 hi 08:48:36 i need some tech support, if possible 08:48:40 is anyone available? 08:48:47 yep 08:49:00 i have some font problem when i fire up the game 08:49:05 it looks all distortionated 08:49:12 and i cannot read them 08:49:17 dpeg: also, how to tell the player if the transfer is still active? It's easy to put a message when it's finished, but I fear it isn't enough 08:49:39 what OS? 08:49:42 my screen resolution in this laptop is not one of the standards, its like 1360x768 08:49:44 galehar: either that, or simply don't allow use of the ability 08:49:55 windows 7 ultimate home edition 08:49:59 galehar: we show it in the m screen, of course. 08:50:07 Also, gotta pick up my son from school. 08:50:10 See you later folks. 08:50:56 pakoito: what crawl version? 08:51:02 full screen or window? 08:51:30 full screen, i dont know how to window it. crawl 1.7.1 08:51:35 -1 08:51:59 0.7.1, you mean? 08:52:12 yes, sorry 08:52:47 screenshot taken like 5 seconds ago: http://yfrog.com/evcrawlp 08:55:07 quick fix: edit your tiles_options.txt and set: tile_full_screen=false, and play with tile_window_width and tile_window_height until you find something that suits you 08:56:54 -!- MarvinPA|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:57 nope 08:57:01 it didn't fix it 08:57:15 i guess i'll have to do with the render or the font itself :S 08:58:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:59:01 yep, I tried with your res and had no problem, so it's not the res 08:59:19 Can you fill a bug report please? 08:59:20 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/bug_report_page.php 09:01:42 bug report or support request? 09:02:05 bug report 09:02:16 ok 09:02:29 where can i get the 0.8 beta to check if it happens with all versions? 09:02:56 http://crawl.develz.org/trunk 09:05:48 Font render error (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2829) by pakoito 09:07:08 ok, done 09:07:57 and yes it also happens on 0.8 09:09:54 ok ill waint for a response 09:10:00 no crawl for me :( 09:10:01 bye! 09:10:04 -!- pakoito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:25 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:33 back 10:38:10 dpeg: idea for transfer finished message? Starting message is "As you forget about %s, you feel ready to understand %s." 10:41:08 galehar: hm, tough one. But we should show the progress of the process in the m screen via the percentages of skill training. 10:41:55 yes but where? 10:42:00 the m-screen is cramped! 10:43:55 galehar: there are already percentages... 10:44:00 the training progress 10:45:47 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:36 so for one of the skill being transfered (or both), I replace the cyan progress percentage (for next level), by a transfer percentage in another color? 10:46:55 for both... 10:47:09 one goes up, starting at 0%, the other one goes down, starting at 100% 10:47:29 and the color should be that of that * and that modified aptitude 10:48:15 what? we're not always reskilling from cross/anti trained skills 10:48:55 and no toggle? You just can't see progress to next level anymore? 10:50:18 hm :) 10:50:51 best to do nothing right now, commit the current stuff and let us look at it :) 10:51:04 ok 10:51:20 progressive reskilling is not finished yet 10:51:28 but I'll commit the rest later tonight 10:51:32 thank you! 10:58:45 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:10 -!- due has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:18 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:40 due: Hi! 11:35:26 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:20 octopodessssss 11:59:50 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:50 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:14 -!- CIA-47 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43:04 -!- CIA-54 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:09 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:36 -!- Twinge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:54 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:21:43 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:50 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:32 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:34:12 -!- Siber2 is now known as Siber 13:57:35 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:15 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:27 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Quit: Computer went to sleep] 14:20:52 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:54 ping? 14:24:15 -!- bmh has quit [Client Quit] 14:25:06 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:44 ping? * 1 minute later * /quit 14:53:15 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:53 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:27 thought #1: am i missing something or do the statue form available slots make no sense at all? is there a compelling reason for them to be what they are? 15:08:54 thought #2: unique silent spectre named Quietus, wielding an unrand called 'the Silent Sceptre'. too silly, or just silly enough to work? 15:10:04 quick question: what are the statue form available slots 15:10:17 cloak, hat 15:10:52 cloaks and hats are the slots that least require being able to fit you 15:11:03 boots and gloves, well, aren't 15:12:10 TGWi: the way i see it, statue form should do one of: A) turn only you to a statue, in which case everything should still work B) turn you and your equipment to a statue, in which case everything should still work but you can't swap C) turn you into a *giant* statue of yourself, in which case nothing should fit 15:14:36 it turns you into a large statue, in which case you can still balance a hat on your head and wrap a cloak around your shoulders 15:14:57 seriously, everyone should be able to wear a hat 15:14:59 especially felids 15:15:08 felids should be able to wear boots 15:15:19 and kitty clothes 15:15:27 kitty clothes are hilarious 15:16:01 TGWi: right now i don't believe it actually turns you into a *large* statue though 15:16:09 i'm pretty sure you keep the same size 15:16:11 it turns you into a slightly deformed statue 15:16:17 eronarn: normal size, extra carrying capacity though 15:16:24 (because you are made of stone) 15:16:34 i mean, like i said on C), i am fine with it removing slots 15:16:44 just that the justification for this should be 'you become really big', which should have some effects 15:16:53 just becoming made out of stone shouldn't lose you slots 15:16:56 oh god you should like b0rsuk 15:17:04 erm 15:17:05 sound 15:17:58 eronarn: I'd tend to agree that statueform should be large 15:18:04 large makes sense though yeah 15:18:09 but I still think everyone should get a hat :P 15:18:25 I don't think there's anything wrong with the slots you lose 15:18:31 as things are, no slots and large seems most reasonable to me 15:19:12 what slots does ice form have, by the way? 15:19:17 if you want justification, it turns your boots and gloves into a statue 15:19:20 'You turn into a giant, naked stone statue of yourself.' 15:19:51 oh wait no, it's a statue, that means it's art 15:19:57 statue-gloves wouldn't help your AC though 15:19:58 'You turn into a giant, nude stone statue of yourself.' 15:20:01 they're just more stone 15:20:08 you're a statue 15:20:09 eronarn: your armour melds, come on :) 15:20:17 TGWi: um. 15:20:24 think about that for a second 15:20:58 yes 15:21:00 elliptic: ice form is one of cloak, hat, or cloak and hat 15:21:01 i forget which 15:21:10 spider form is nothing 15:21:32 ice form has cloak 15:21:38 not sure about hat though 15:21:43 i think: if you have a head you can wear a hat; if you have a neck you can wear a cloak; if you have hands etc. 15:21:50 that's the only sane way to do it imo 15:22:04 Eronarn: what am I thinking about 15:22:06 which forms don't have heads? 15:22:08 the only thing tiny enough to not work with that rule is a bat 15:22:15 FR: tiny bat-hats 15:22:20 everything else is big enough to wear a hat and/or cloak 15:22:28 elliptic: spider form arguably 15:22:30 spiders: big enough to wear cloaks 15:22:58 TGWi: spiders are spriggan sized now i think 15:23:12 FR: felids can wear two pairs of boots 15:23:21 and four rings 15:23:32 FR: giraffe race 15:23:37 can wear, well, you know 15:23:54 FR: octopus race 15:23:55 can wear eight rings 15:25:49 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:11 spiders are smaller than spriggans 15:34:21 in terms of EV anyway 15:45:37 blah, i dunno how i want to fix Recite 15:45:44 anyone have thoughts? 15:49:09 get rid of berserk and haste? 15:49:42 Pseudonut: well, that one is obvious, but at the moment it is a no-piety, 3-turn-activation ability 15:49:49 it is kind of hard to think about how to balance that 15:50:05 it's the first zin ability, so it needs to do something relevant early on, but it shouldn't be irrelevant late game 15:50:12 on the other hand, it affects the whole screen 15:50:26 remove the MR check 15:50:37 but we can't necessarily put a piety cost on it, either, because it feels really weird for preaching to someone to *cost* you pity 15:50:43 cap the MR check at 11 15:50:51 TGWi: did you read about how the MR check on it works 15:50:55 when i dug into the code earlier 15:51:08 I think so, but then you said "sorry im rong" 15:51:14 (direct quote) 15:51:15 i was wrong about it stopping 15:52:07 here's what it does: if there's a valid recite monster, you start reciting. for every monster in LOS, get its MR. subtract your power (in other words, this is completely deterministic). if power is < 0, you have a 75% chance of hasting them 15:52:24 if power is > 0 you get a random roll based on remaining power, but automatically at least confuse them 15:52:35 the problem: at max invo, and max piety, you're capped at *50* power 15:53:06 so it basically trivializes low-MR monsters 15:53:08 @??orc 15:53:09 orc (04o) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1 | Health: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 5 | Res: 06magic(4) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2. 15:54:20 you mean subtract its MR from your power? 15:54:22 a starting priest of zin has power something like (18+3)/2, i.e., he never has to fight a non-confused orc 15:54:27 yes 15:54:31 hm 15:54:43 so what you're saying is that recite is OP? 15:54:49 no 15:54:59 because it's capped at 50 power 15:55:05 it's just broken? 15:55:09 yes, it's horribly broken 15:55:16 at least pr[zin] has a nice orcless early game 15:55:17 for example 15:55:19 maybe remove the cap, idk 15:55:30 make it work only once per enemy? 15:55:34 if you recite against 5 orcs and an orc wizard 15:55:37 or at least have a timeout, like EH 15:55:42 you will confuse the orcs, but probably haste the wizard 15:55:49 but when you haste the wizard, your delay will immediately stop 15:55:50 and make the failure effects less horrendous 15:55:57 because it's determinsitic, there is zero point to reciting multiple turns 15:56:07 so it's actually BETTER to haste something 15:56:13 as it stops you from wasting 2 turns 15:56:46 TGWi: right now, it will fail to even let you recite if there's nothing you can recite against in LOS - and all of the actual effects that recite causes, block further recites 15:57:05 including, hilariously enough, haste 15:57:10 regardless of the source of haste 15:57:18 yeah that's dumb 15:57:38 also, when i said 'capped' at 50 15:57:44 dpeg: about reskilling progress, how about putting it on the ^ screen? 15:57:51 what i meant is, that you can't get it above 50, because the formula hits 50 at 27 invo + 200 piety 15:57:59 galehar: that's religion 15:58:01 there's no 'cap', you just can only get to 50 15:58:19 okay, increase the available power then 15:58:21 silly formula 15:58:23 zannick: I know. And it's a divine ability 15:58:32 someone suggested basing this on HD and i'm tempted to agree - but i also liked my proposal from a while back about giving you a choice of what prayer to do 15:58:48 HD is probably better yeah 15:59:07 i'd suggest another "tab" on m, like how you can switch between skill levels and apts 15:59:26 i might also change the abilities you can actually get 15:59:41 that's a possibility. But the m-screen is so cramped already! 15:59:44 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:59 right now it goes: confused, asleep, temp-pacify, fear, paralysis, perma-pacify 16:00:03 it's not really adding to the m screen, other than a button at the bottom :) 16:00:30 i think these are pretty shitty recite effects tbh 16:00:45 i kind of want to see if i can make recite perma-convert weak enemies to Zin 16:00:53 would it help any if m should every skill from the begining? Not sure why it doesn't, even just for easy apt reference 16:01:02 seems sort of an obvious thing to do 16:01:14 OG17: yeah that'd be really nice - the only question is how to color it 16:01:27 grey like everything else? 16:01:38 no, because training for those is on 16:01:39 i've often found it annoying that i can't turn off skills until i've trained them to lvl 1 16:02:04 turning off every skill you don't have and don't want to train would be annoying 16:02:08 i'd suggest: white = currently enabled, offwhite = currently disabled, grey = currently level 1, red = losing XP in this, green = gaining XP in this 16:02:15 I'm figuring that you can't toggle them until they're at level 1 16:02:37 heck you don't have to even show the % you have of your level 1 skills 16:02:55 also it's clutter 16:03:01 maybe a 'show all skills' toggle 16:03:04 they can just show up as z - X Ice Magic Skill 0 (--%) 16:03:08 toggle would be good 16:03:12 Eronarn: I already added colour for cross/anti training (haven't pushed the commit yet) 16:03:12 i was thinking that too TGWi 16:03:15 I agree w/ the clutter angle 16:03:35 i think the clutter wouldn't be bad with the darkgrey 16:03:36 i don't like the apt table at all 16:03:46 a toggle is fine too though 16:03:53 but even then you have to think of how to display it when it is toggled 16:04:09 how about the "show apts" field shows all skills 16:04:10 erm 16:04:22 the show apts version of the screen 16:04:26 TGWi: oh, i like that 16:05:04 that's good 16:06:12 hmm, tiles jiyva definitely needs a better icon for friendly slime 16:06:27 also a better altar :/ 16:07:03 ...tiles mutagenic clouds are *rainbow*? wtf 16:08:07 does anyone know if tiles supports animated pngs? 16:09:23 are you adding sparkly vampires? 16:09:26 imo you should 16:09:32 also recite should be a piety mechanic. You're a missionary spreading zin's word, why doesn't zin care? Flavor's already there, it's just wasted when the ability's nothing more than a grab-bag status effect/invo trainer 16:09:32 "animated pngs"? 16:09:35 i would be very surprised 16:09:36 give people a reason to use it 16:09:39 kilobyte: they exist. 16:09:48 except, you know, png doesn't do animation 16:10:07 kilobyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG 16:10:10 there's mng and apng, and either of these has about 0 support anywhere 16:11:17 galehar: I don't think that ^ fits particularly well. Just show us the m screen, we will find a way =) 16:11:21 firefox recognizes apng 16:11:22 apng stands for animated png :P and yeah, which is too bad 16:12:46 TGWi: oh hey, so it does 16:12:46 neat 16:12:48 (chrome doesn't) 16:12:50 APNG in particular is a Mozilla-only hack that was specifically rejected by the PNG Group on the basis of being too ugly to live, and not even every version of Firefox supports it. Only those which use their bundled contrib library rather than system ones. 16:13:04 Eronarn: chrome is awful 16:13:08 you can tell because I don't use it 16:13:56 TGWi: but you use irc, which is awful 16:14:08 I agree with the PNG Group, too -- knowing whether an image is an actual image or an animation beforehand is an important thing, and that's why there's MNG -- which has very little support too, though 16:14:59 that's too bad, it'd be neat 16:15:13 03galehar * r5a91b43121af 10/crawl-ref/source/ (skills.cc skills.h skills2.cc skills2.h): Show cross/anti training as aptitude bonus/malus on the m-screen 16:15:18 03galehar * r4d11d611a3f1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (godabil.cc skills2.cc skills2.h): Ash's reskilling uses m-screen layout for skill selection 16:15:20 03galehar * r847dc95d1557 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Prevent reskilling higher than skill level 27 16:15:21 03galehar * r67213fe75280 10/crawl-ref/source/ (godabil.cc skills2.cc skills2.h): Ash's reskilling: show the result of the transfer in the skill selection menu. 16:15:22 03galehar * r8287a306cd87 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): Ash's progressive reskilling 16:15:34 oh, does anyone know how to get the tiles window resized in linux? mine starts at fullscreen on both monitors 16:15:34 Chrome 1. doesn't have a decent AdBlock, 2. doesn't have even partially sane cookie support, 3. lacks vital extensions, and 4. criminally slow 16:15:37 and ic an't drag it 16:15:53 kilobyte: chrome is very fast, unless you're comparing it to lynx or something 16:15:54 note 4. -- even though claimed speed is all the hype behind Chrome 16:16:35 eronarn: no resize yet. Have to set tile_full_screen=false and tile_window_width and tile_window_height 16:16:43 no -- I tried several browsers on a few pages just today (because of a /. article) 16:16:57 "/." really? 16:17:02 which were faster just out of interest 16:17:21 kilobyte: pretty much every benchmark i've seen has opera and chrome ahead of everything else by noticeable margins 16:17:21 for example, CNN main page/CNN article: Firefox4 5/6 seconds, Chrome6 35/37 seconds, Opera 35/21 seconds 16:17:21 ../. 16:17:40 that's bizarre 16:17:40 Eronarn: _Javascript_ benchmarks 16:17:43 galehar: awesome! 16:17:48 Now we just need... 16:17:50 Napkin! 16:18:13 wazzzzzzup?! 16:18:16 and indeed, Firefox goes to hell if you have Flash adverts running on ten tabs at once 16:18:16 javascript is what tends to slow stuff down 16:18:24 kilobyte: ...what's your testing methodology that you're getting that huge a difference in speed 16:18:52 chrome uses like 3x more memory too if you've tons of windows/tabs open 16:19:22 Eronarn: going to a page, checking when it finishes loading, scrolling to the end. 16:19:24 this is actually an issue since it was using 1.8gb 16:19:26 syllogism: yeah, though ime it's a lot better about not crashing/memory leaking in that case 16:19:47 firefox crashes like once a year so doesn't matter much 16:19:51 Eronarn: and I did investigate the cause. It's AdBlock. 16:19:56 and I boot daily 16:20:00 Napkin: NAbend! Wann ist der Termin fürs CDO-Update? 16:20:36 kilobyte: that isn't a useful testing methodology at all :/ 16:20:50 Chrome's adblock merely hides crap but it still makes it load 16:21:07 cdo montags & samstags, mingw montags, donnerstags & freitrags, dpeg 16:21:16 um kurz nach 6 16:21:41 Eronarn: can you suggest something better than running some random in-browser test which reports that it's finished before it even ends loading? 16:21:41 Napkin: add octopodes to cdo :D 16:21:49 Napkin: Ist ja schon fast Samstag um sechs! :) 16:21:54 heh - does chrome's adblock hide google's adverts? 16:22:22 kilobyte: well, it depends what you are trying to test: raw performance specs or practical performance as experienced by the user 16:22:30 7 hours left to fine-tune, Eronarn ;) 16:22:39 7 hours? 16:22:47 sorry, a bit of in a hurry 16:23:22 Eronarn: the actual real-world performance on real pages 16:23:25 what is the usual cdo/windows build schedule? 16:23:45 galehar: once in a blue moon, and whenever someone presses the button 16:23:45 cronjobbed updates: cdo on mondays & saturdays at 6:45am (UTC+2), mingw on mondays, thursdays & saturdays at 6:15am 16:24:23 thanks 16:24:53 kilobyte: then in that case you need to come up with some test cases that represent reality; define what you're actually measuring; look for quirks in the browsers/scripts that would give an inaccurate picture. for example - just because a page hasn't 'finished loading yet', doesn't mean that what's being loaded degrades performance 16:24:56 Napkin: could you tell me if the chroot has locale properly defined? 16:25:07 there are some pages that never finish loading because of broken scripts 16:25:25