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From grovelling through the source I got suspcious that my LANG=en_AU.utf8 wasn't matching crawl's test for CODESET = UTF-8 06:02:47 I did a "dpkg-reconfigure locales", and now it's working. 06:03:53 Fucking busted 06:04:21 The problem occurs when the en_US.UTF-8 locale is not around -- despite my forcing LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8 06:05:18 sounds delightful 06:07:50 http://paste.debian.net/99357/ 06:08:02 I think that pastebin demonstrates the problem succinctly 06:09:04 http://paste.debian.net/99358/, rather (removes the noise on the first line.) 06:11:22 Now to find the BTS and deal with the usual yak-shaving where I have to "create an account", and the BTS doesn't support any text browsers, etc etc 06:12:22 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 06:13:27 Actually, I can reproduce it with Debian's standard package. So I can stick it in debbugs and let kilobyte deal with mantis :-) 06:19:36 Hmm, creating and account and searching for open tickets both failed in emacs-w3m, but both worked in w3m. 06:19:53 That's well above average, congrats! 06:22:26 03gafrie * r9161fe4bf331 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc itemname.cc itemname.h tag-version.h tags.cc): Inscribe 'tried on foo' 06:22:26 03gafrie * r12e179f83692 10/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc: Autoinscribe randarts after death 06:26:35 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:29:13 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:05 Nice, I even managed to create a ticket using w3m. 06:33:09 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2825 06:34:24 Unicode support fails unless en_US.UTF-8 locale is available. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2825) by twb2 06:40:23 OK, I did a bit of printf debugging. Looks like UNICODE_LOCALE gets set to en_US.UTF-8, *not* the empty string. 06:41:34 Ironically, this is a sufficient fix: http://pastebin.com/veLsWTs0 06:42:19 (i.e. try to change the locale to en_US.UTF-8, ignore the failure, then check if the locale has UTF-8 anyway. 06:43:39 OK, this is just the same problem I ran into last time I used the makefiles you guys provide 06:44:12 To make it auto-detect (i.e. -DUNICODE_LOCALE=\"\"), you need to tell *make* UNICODE_LOCALE=. 06:44:47 Otherwise it works as advertised and treats make's UNICODE_LOCALE= as -DUNICODE_LOCALE=\"en_US.UTF-8\" 06:50:58 So it's a makefile issue? 06:51:45 It's a PEBCAK / documentation issue 06:52:06 The makefile's behaviour is counterintuitive 06:52:36 Most people don't notice because they don't deliberately remove en_US.UTF-8 from their locale list to detect problems like this :-) 06:56:28 03gafrie * rc8d7b1f2c647 10/crawl-ref/settings/messages.txt: Colouring labyrinth messages 06:57:11 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 07:08:50 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 07:18:58 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:58 twb: and the people that do--we leave them in the wilds at birth? ;) 07:25:45 NFI, man, this ain't my project 07:26:03 it was a joke 07:26:09 :) 07:26:20 If it was, I'd be likely to drop windows and sdl just because I don't like em 08:21:01 twb: the unicode branch does setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "") and lets ncurses handle charset conversion, using the wchar API in all cases 08:21:20 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:22:02 kilobyte: how do you feel about adding UNICODE_LOCALE=. to debian/rules for the debian packages? 08:22:06 it's unfinished and on hold for now 08:22:35 it would break all non-Unicode charsets 08:22:46 Oh, is that what it was 08:22:53 I noticed they were funny, but I assumed it was my fault 08:23:19 as a quick fix, it may be a good idea to do a setlocale(LC_CTYPE, ""), see if it's UTF-8 and if not, setlocale(LC_CTYPE, "C") back 08:24:12 How about putting putting a reminder to ensure en_US.UTF-8 exists, into README.Debian, then? 08:24:25 sadly, for Debian the squeeze ship has definitely sailed :( 08:24:34 Sure sure, I only care about sid :P 08:24:47 but it might be a good idea to update because of derivatives which pull from sid, yeah 08:24:58 AND: don't say that, because I'm only getting around to fixing Darcs on x86-64 today :-( 08:25:06 (for squeeze) 08:26:01 right, but you need a damn good reason to get an unblock for a non-RC bug 08:27:27 but then, there's a crapload of crash fixes in 0.7 that are not in 0.7.1, a point release is way overdue 08:28:10 almost all of those are in Debian, though, as the package has bugfixes applied 08:29:34 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:57 03Keskitalo * r95ed6714d104 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc: Move Horrible Things and Haunt from Summonings into Demonology. 08:44:56 -!- twb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:46:35 yay 09:07:33 03kilobyte * r3923d31ba85e 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Remove an useless compile check. We don't rely on the enum values anymore. 09:07:34 03kilobyte * r7ada25d44ce8 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Autosave sprint every once in a while, to keep crashes from losing the game. 09:07:35 03kilobyte * rf56cf0f1551d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (coordit.cc coordit.h): Fix max_radius in distance_iterator, rename it again, allow querying current radius. 09:07:39 03kilobyte * r75be856d0de7 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Wooden missiles are never useless with StS, large rocks with Sandblast. 09:07:39 03tigen * r3c54a32d4eb3 10/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc: fix compile error with setting escdelay with new ncurses 09:07:47 03kilobyte * r7a7d45293c51 10/crawl-ref/source/ (AppHdr.h libunix.cc makefile): Use the system locale rather than hardcoded en_US.UTF-8 (twb). 09:22:32 03kilobyte 07unicode * rebfb02749fc1 10/crawl-ref/ (228 files in 28 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into unicode 09:25:16 if you even wanted to fake a merge that a commit was merged but you don't wan't it: 09:25:21 git filter-branch --parent-filter 'sed s/3c54a32d4eb311c57d57432badb3435f2444c5e6/7a7d45293c51c7604d15147f7d5d4358162743f9/' HEAD^..HEAD 09:31:30 that looks like black magic to me 09:31:37 I bet TSO hates it 09:31:43 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:07 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:45:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:01 -!- MarvinPA|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58:57 -!- casmith789 is now known as parad0xx 09:59:01 -!- parad0xx is now known as casmith789 10:00:07 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:19 hmm, the git branch stuff really is cool 10:29:56 APT(SP_OCTOPUS, SK_TRANSLOOCTOPUSIONS 10:29:59 so how about that find and replace 10:31:28 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:29 -!- Guest53867 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:44 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:57 lol 10:40:09 guess you would have better luck with merfolk :) 10:41:47 why are you turning cats into octopi? 10:58:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:35 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:06:19 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:44 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:20 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:31 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:39:16 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:34 Siber: cat is the last race because it was the most recently added, so i'm C&Ping from it when adding in octopus 12:25:41 aw, rain clouds give a fire magic malus :3 12:54:38 bool player::is_skeletal() const 12:54:39 { return (false); 12:54:39 } 12:54:42 so much awesome stuff in here 12:54:58 mummies can't smell! :O 12:58:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:03 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:47 Eronarn: 8 ring slots? 13:35:07 kilobyte: Yes. 13:36:24 really 13:36:58 someone will have to farm pan for 8 +0,+8 rings of slaying then 13:38:00 probably, yes 13:38:17 do they really have 8 ring slots 13:38:28 soft hat; amulet; 8 ring 13:38:40 sounds rather overpowered end game 13:38:57 we'll see! i think the idea can be made to work 13:40:00 Eronarn: are you actually contributing or are you still in the "implement random stuff to learn the codebase" phase 13:40:20 sorear: the latter though i already spotted a handful of non-contentious changes i want to make 13:40:26 for example, talons don't work in statue form 13:41:02 (i mean, i am going to submit both the clothing patch and the octopus patch once i'm done with them, but i don't have high hopes of them actually getting in) 13:50:27 it's pretty cool that it only takes like 15 seconds to make if i only edited code 13:51:57 Eronarn: If you haven't seen it already, http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/ 13:52:15 ...that's awesome. 13:58:32 it's already established that we need dropbears... add wild haggis and jackalope to the list 14:05:18 http://pastebin.com/uXHSTEW9 what am i missing that's making it return true for robes? or do robes always get set to return true somewhere else? 14:06:59 or, i guess it's returning true for cloaks/gloves too, hmm. boots is working okay because i've set octopuses to not have feet 14:07:03 octopodes -> octopi 14:08:00 those EQ_RING_SEVENTEEN enums don't overlap other slots, right? 14:08:50 kilobyte: octopode/octopodes; or octopus/octopuses :P 14:08:59 no, they come after EQ_AMULET 14:12:09 oh, i see, i have to modify item_use.cc too i guess? 14:19:31 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:50 interesting consequence of all this: octopuses can only acquire hats 14:19:58 (for armour, that is) 14:20:10 did I miss something? 14:20:32 TGWi: i have octopuses halfway implemented. 14:20:48 yeah don't do that 14:21:54 why not! 14:31:20 -!- MarvinPA|2 is now known as MarvinPA 14:57:03 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:57:24 Cancelling blink should not consume the turn or the scroll (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2826) by doublep 15:38:10 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:33 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:46 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:58 hi galehar 15:54:02 hey 15:55:00 TGWi: why do you hate octopodes so much :( 16:06:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:06 we have fewer than 27 races so octopodes are a great idea 16:17:04 elliptic: imo we should have a race that crashes when selected 16:17:19 and does nothing else 16:17:27 hmmm. I can probably code that 16:17:40 blinkrobin racer 16:17:45 (need one) 16:17:47 -r 16:18:22 one that crashes your machine would be more fun though 16:18:23 galehar: I've been pushing for a better nutrition cost display forever 16:18:40 galehar: that's hard to do portably 16:18:50 imo it should be expressed in terms of grapes: tenth, fifth, half, whole, two, five, ten 16:19:04 also Napkin will kill you 16:19:18 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:20 or fifth, third, half probably 16:19:40 tgwi: that's a good idea. I like the current system appart from the 5x part 16:21:53 just quantify everything in integer centigrapes 16:22:07 ??grape 16:22:07 grape[1/1]: Smallest snack besides sultanas. Eat in 2 turns to avoid starving in the middle of combat. 100 nutrition. Drop the stack for easy eating. Linley Henzell knows how to crush these. 16:22:46 ??sultana 16:22:47 food[2/3]: Sultana is 70. Grape is 100. Strawberry is 200. Lychee/choko/rambutan is 600. Apricot/pear/apple is 700. Banana/lemon/orange is 1000. Cheese/sausage is 1200. Beef jerky/pizza/snozzcumber is 1500. Porridge is 6040. Potion of water is 60. Water fountain is 20. 16:23:51 "centigrapes" is the best unit 16:24:07 and what for spriggans/kittehs/kobolds? 16:24:58 meatballs 16:26:35 what I mean is, vegetarians get more than 100 nutritions, and carnivores less (these two get 0) 16:27:08 express it in millichunks 16:27:13 s/nutritions/nutrition/ 16:27:15 well, no, those get more than 1000 per chunk 16:27:17 ??honeycomb 16:27:17 TGWi: same problem 16:27:17 food[1/3]: Goes in mouth. Without carnivore or herbivore: Royal jelly weighs 5.5, is 5000 nutrition. Meat weighs 8, is 5000 nutrition. Bread weighs 8, is 4400 nutrition. Honeycomb weighs 4, is 2000 nutrition. A chunk weighs 10, is 1000 nutrition. Takes 4 turns to eat rations, 3 for chunks, 2 turns for all other food. 16:27:34 dimillihoneycomb 16:27:50 does anything weigh exactly 1 aum? 16:28:14 kilobyte: btw, the current system doesn't account for racial diet either 16:28:44 potion of water could be ^H^H^H (damn mummies) 16:30:48 rename the "aum" as "ring" 16:31:41 rename "aul" as "bee's length" (same as dragon's length) 16:31:57 any thoughts? http://pastebin.com/eZhvQCYY 16:32:27 kilobyte: the oul or the dul? 16:32:57 Cygwin and PCRE (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2827) by tigen 16:33:25 (ordinal unit of length and diagonal unit of length) 16:36:16 1 oul = sqrt(2)/2 dul but 1 oul per yak-second is the same as 1 dul per yak-second 16:36:19 it's pretty confusing 16:41:40 ah hah 16:42:20 slot_item is doing an assert failure because EQ_AMULET now comes before octopus rings 16:45:50 03galehar * r43c036f0d0e5 10/crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc: Don't load extra_opts twice 16:46:07 -!- hashc has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:06 use_fake_cursor default setting (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2828) by tigen 17:37:48 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 17:41:45 There is a cloud of buggy goodness here. 17:48:39 03dolorous * r4988141a081e 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Fix some inconsistencies with player transformations. 17:51:58 oh, i was going to try to get to that :P 17:56:59 Eronarn: how about you patch shallow water and monsters 17:57:09 what about it 17:57:21 how monsters wade at full speed 17:57:24 for whatever reason 17:58:00 oh, yes, that is silly 18:02:07 related: there is no explanation why Antaeus can swim 18:03:36 a proposed fix is to let all giants wade in deep water 18:04:33 tying size to this would be nice 18:04:38 that sounds like a good idea 18:04:40 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:53 maybe make water count as one level less deep for anything ogre-sized and above 18:05:02 is antaeus larger than ogre? 18:05:05 (Antaeus is now immune to mephitic, but Confuse has a tiny chance to get him -- Alistair's should work quite reliably, though) 18:05:07 yes, he's a titan 18:05:25 hm 18:05:30 ogres are barely bigger than humans 18:05:38 (which is why it's dumb they can't wear armour) 18:05:42 not sure about letting ogres use deep, but letting >ogres do it would be fine 18:06:12 I'd tie that to giantness, not to size as most huge monsters are mostly horizontal 18:06:24 TGWi: i think we should at least do the tiny races flounder in water / big races less 18:06:39 and somehow scaling the shallow penalty by size... don't get too distracted by this, fix the movement speed first please 18:06:50 kilobyte: do golems have unbreathing now? if so, does it let them go through deep water? because golems definitely should (and there should be a vault where golems wade to get you) 18:08:07 not sure 18:08:32 basically it's inconsistent in a very arbitrary and deadly way that monsters can use shallow water without penalty 18:08:39 this is more immediately important than size 18:08:44 them drowning may be explained by their chems getting wet and losing the writing 18:09:29 well, crawl golems are more of the 'animated statue' variety 18:09:32 a D&Dism 18:10:44 * kilobyte likes the original myth better. 18:10:49 NetHack uses it, too. 18:15:58 alistair's works on antaeus? that seems... bad 18:56:49 only 10 more files to edit before wearing > 2 rings works 18:57:06 Wearing more than 2 rings, for what? 18:57:14 due: SP_OCTOPUS 18:57:36 eronarn is ruining crawl 18:59:01 ... 19:03:20 wears a hat and eight ring slots; i think this is an interesting enough gimmick to justify a race 19:03:41 firstly, octopodes are ridiculous (they are octopodes) 19:04:01 what apts do they have 19:04:02 (shouldn't that be the plural of octopod) 19:04:07 secondly 8 rings is stupid 19:04:13 monky: undecided 19:04:21 early game it means nothing, and then by the time you're at zot it's broken as hell 19:04:23 TGWi: octopode = eight feet 19:05:02 octopus:octopode::cat:felid 19:05:02 tentacles are like feet 19:05:06 pretty much exactly actually 19:05:33 cats are at least mammals 19:05:40 and, you know, live on land 19:06:31 do they get suction cup UC 19:06:50 a) we already have non-mammal races b) octopodes are amphibious 19:07:07 dr, dg, ds and what 19:07:36 are na mammals 19:07:39 yes 19:07:44 crawl is weird 19:07:47 monky: human upper half, so yes 19:07:58 are kenku? 19:08:01 no 19:08:15 FR: kenku eggs 19:08:37 TGWi: mammal and live birth go together often, but one doesn't completely predict the other 19:08:51 ps: By the time you read this article I will have kept my Octopus for over six months and each arm is now eighteen inches. In this time it is has learnt many skills, it can open almost any sealed container and will even climb out of the water to take it's food from me. 19:09:14 birds lay eggs, someone told me 19:09:15 monky: currently they have tentacles aux, which is almost the same as pseudopods aux 19:10:26 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:12 re: kenku not having wings, http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9uaaFnVQXpZGNM:http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/minis/humanoids/kenku1b.jpg&t=1 19:11:38 also http://happyhikers.ca/OtherStuff/PictureUploads/Kenku%205.JPG 19:11:47 TGWi: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/iw_kenku.jpg 19:11:58 they're hidden under the robe 19:12:07 ps 19:12:21 re: draconians not wearing armour, http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/dlcs_gallery/DLCS_PG219.jpg 19:12:39 come on, you can't tell me http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/l5r/images/7/7f/Kenku.jpg isn't awesome 19:12:43 (in fact, if you google for 'draconian D&D, every picture of a dragon-human hybrid is wearing armour) 19:13:03 Eronarn: that's clearly not human armour 19:13:14 for one it has holes for the horns 19:13:19 that is a pretty cool image btw except it would still be cool if the kenku did not have wings so 19:13:29 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:13:31 better with wings 19:13:32 I don't think it would be as cool 19:13:38 the wings make it, I think 19:13:45 we should probably figure out what having wings actually does first 19:13:58 give them the ability to fly at level 15 19:14:09 at level 5, rather, and permanently at 15 19:14:36 TGWi: but do they have an aux attack? can you use them while confused? does wearing a cloak interfere? do you have wings when tmut'd? 19:14:39 etc. 19:14:57 yes, you'd be a winged spider 19:15:00 how cool would that be 19:15:09 having a consistent way of handling it would be nice because A) at least one kind of draconian has wings B) DS winged body slot mut 19:17:12 easiest I see is wings 1 - cfly; 2 - flight (a)bility; 3 - permaflight 19:17:33 monky: that makes a terrifying amount of sense 19:17:42 kenku don't currently have innate permaflight but this never matters so it's alright 19:17:51 I support that 19:17:55 TGWi: well it's toggleable, but you can leave it on forever 19:18:04 erm 19:18:07 innate cfly, I meant 19:18:18 oh. yeah, they should if they get wings, of course 19:18:34 oh, another thing: i think we should make combat while flying different from ground combat in some way 19:18:50 for example: no wing aux attacks while flying, but more likely to use tail/talons 19:20:23 kenku permaflight is toggleable now? 19:20:28 yeah 19:21:00 I think they should have gotten immunity to airstrike instead 19:21:49 elliptic: nah, i'd rather see airstrike be something that makes you want to not fly, rather than just making the flying race immune to it 19:22:25 not flying isn't exactly the most interesting decision usually though 19:22:38 and it would make sense that the flying race would be the most in tune with the air 19:24:47 elliptic: deep dwarves are in tune with the earth, we don't make them take less damage from LCS (beyond shaving) 19:25:21 if whether to fly or not isn't interesting this is more of a problem with the effects that flying has, and not with kenku specifically, imo 19:26:44 I also think that L15 kenku should get an intrinsic air enhancer and earth de-enhancer, btw 19:26:54 deep dwarves aren't in tune with the earth in the same way 19:27:03 they aren't qnomes 19:27:36 making flying more interesting would be good too, though 19:30:53 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:34 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:46 a few possible things for flying: *different kinds of attacks in melee *things that are flying only have missile path blocked by things that aren't, and vice versa *see down into clouds, but also things can see up out of clouds 19:33:05 or make the air boost inherent to flying, rather than just a kenku thing 19:35:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:42:27 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:42 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 20:29:11 whoever thought that a temple entrance with an oklob guardian was a good idea, I hate you 20:32:39 p.s. I haven't even gotten that temple entry and I hate you too 20:33:13 the only times I've gotten it the oklob's line of fire was blocked by plants so I could safely enter 20:33:27 it was that one guy 20:33:29 minmay I think 20:53:59 monky: the oklob was right next to the temple entrance for me 20:54:03 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:54:19 :( 20:55:36 is that new 21:00:38 12 files changed, 205 insertions(+), 30 deletions(-) 21:00:39 frrrt 21:11:52 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:02 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:41 ahaha, yesssss. 22:18:51 i have octorings working <3 22:19:37 and they appear to be, like. actually working (affecting stats, etc.) 22:20:03 octorings? 22:20:11 valrus: octopodes can wear eight rings 22:20:20 lolwat 22:20:45 ok you actually have good design ideas but I still find it hard to take this seriously 22:20:53 trust me it'll be great 22:20:54 valrus: Welcome to my head. 22:21:53 eight rings is a good restriction because it's really different than anyone else but still lets you collect cool items which is fun (unlike races with armor restrictions where you just have to drop everything cool) 22:22:14 just remains to be seen whether it will end up being far too powerful to balance; i suspect it will actually be reasonable in practice 22:22:38 I suppose when the no ac/ev bonuses on randarts nerf goes into effect it will be fine, probably 22:22:59 and these are... non-aquatic octopodes? 22:23:14 possibly amphibious; not sure to what degree though 22:23:33 perfectly at home on land, though 22:27:50 hmm, i'm getting a crash on cursed() 22:35:51 can we all agree that octopodes are a poor idea? 22:36:04 can we all agree that tgw is a whiner 22:36:09 yes 22:36:28 but also the octopodes thing 22:55:50 nah, octopodes are great :3 23:12:33 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:34 -!- enne_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:11 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:35 -!- hashc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:45 -!- Hehfiel has quit [*.net *.split] 23:16:45 -!- hashc has quit [*.net *.split] 23:16:45 -!- Danei has quit [*.net *.split] 23:16:45 -!- enne has quit [*.net *.split] 23:16:46 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 23:16:46 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 23:18:28 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:29 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:24 -!- valrus_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:44 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:03 blah, i hope i can finish tonight 23:40:28 i'm allllmoost there, the only major bug i know of is that you do't get a remove screen if you're wearing 8 rings 23:58:03 You're wearing several rings. Remove which one? (z/A/B/w/x/y/C/D//Esc) 23:58:04 <3<3<3 23:58:33 um 23:58:37 ""? ;) 23:59:15 valrus: that actually exists for normal ring removal weirdly enough 23:59:19 left / right 23:59:21 I know 23:59:29 not exactly applicable in your case though 23:59:44 yeah, i need to fix the prompt; it's also only showing two rings