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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2732) by Arxale 06:12:19 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:34 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:07 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:33 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:01 One hour of silence. 07:19:07 Excellent. 07:19:11 Enough to mourn NetHack? 07:19:33 * dpeg sheds some more tears for our departed fellow. 07:21:44 if you hurt friendlies with damage clouds, it does not anger them nor gods unless you actually kill them 07:21:48 is this intentional? 07:23:01 kilobyte: doesn't look like it 07:24:18 dpeg: did you see snails? 07:24:53 no! 07:25:10 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:31 hrm, clouds use some nasty hacks... for example, they don't store the attacker, merely a kill category (you / pet / enemy), and then call monster_die with a magic cookie "ANON_FRIENDLY_MONSTER". 07:35:49 this breaks for example mirror damage 07:36:36 same for poison 07:39:18 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:54 hrm, a crapload of hurt() calls don't pass the agent 07:40:27 like, monster Refrigeration... in this case, you don't get xp for friendlies using it, too 07:41:57 there's a can of worms, though: monster A poisons B, B has mirror damage, you go downstairs with B but not A 07:43:26 how would you solve mirror damage and delayed effects? 07:47:17 I have no idea. 07:47:35 Could you bring this up on c-r-d? Would be interesting to hear what dolorous says on the matter. 07:47:59 (Also, he would undoubtedly help rigourously push through any solution.) 07:48:00 ok 07:48:43 I'll push tracking damage but not assigning partial xp then, to avoid conflicts with changing tag version 07:49:34 yes, good move 07:59:27 -!- Moriasc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:53 03kilobyte * r5825ee75f142 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Track the portion of damage done by you and friendlies. 07:59:57 03kilobyte * rdac88be3f3fa 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Let torment damage be reflected by Yred. 08:03:02 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:03:08 -!- Moriasc_ is now known as Moriasc 08:05:30 dpeg: Snails now have shells 08:05:56 dpeg: They can hidein them at low HP for regen+extra AC but no attacking and no moving. 08:12:05 Morning 08:17:19 dpeg: Obviously you do not care :| 08:17:41 neat 08:17:58 upsy: Thank you so much for your effusive praise! :DD 08:19:43 I'm pretty stoked about it. 08:20:13 all the different snails and slugs are pretty boring, so it's interesting 08:20:24 Well, there's only one type of snail now. 08:20:28 oh 08:20:37 There was only one type of snail before, too. 08:20:48 now they just need slime trails! 08:20:54 Yes, this too shall come. 08:21:29 and that's why I said "slugs and snails" - they weren't any different before 08:22:46 They'll all have sluggy trails soon 08:22:57 Just need to implement fprop decay. 08:40:30 um.. does that shell thing make snails even more tedious to kill, by any chance? 08:42:28 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:09 They... 08:46:14 They need darts, too. 08:50:34 Zaba: yup 08:51:07 due, damn, as if realism didn't make them bad enough before. 08:55:25 Please be to snails can firing darts now... 09:00:51 i don't get it 09:03:07 -!- enne has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:21 -!- enne has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:01 dpeg: for Ashenzari showing you unannounced portals, I was afraid of messy Lua stuff... but then, it's simpler to just look for portal entrances on the map 09:07:42 there's no info whether a given portal is announced, though -- would extra line be ok with you even if there is an announcement? 09:12:23 -!- eith_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:51 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:07 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 09:27:20 -!- OG17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34:31 Lua error when entering level with "ziggurat portal" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2733) by adamo901 09:34:51 kilobyte: yes 09:35:13 due: hey, I do care 09:35:21 -!- dpeg is now known as snailpeg 09:35:50 due: I was just away, giving a seminar. 09:36:06 snailpeg, don't you think snails were tedious enough without no shells? 09:39:53 giant snails? not really tedious 09:40:43 yeah, there are worse offenders 09:41:04 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:15 snails are very problematic, yes 09:49:46 all slow monsters are, as the badger pointed out 09:50:03 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:20 upsy: You know real-life snails can fire love darts, right? 09:52:10 ...no 09:54:19 weird 09:54:52 =D 09:54:54 Inspiring, huh? 09:54:56 !tell due I do care, was just absent. 09:54:56 snailpeg: OK, I'll let due know. 10:12:00 snailpeg, and what do you think should be done about them? 10:19:25 snailpeg, sigh, just tried to type "dpeg" and hit tab. Fail. 10:20:23 snailpeg, re mutation scheduling, the best universal solution I can think of is to assign a power value (1-100) for each level of a mutation, which represents the relative power of that level of the mutation, then scheduling will simply order by power (occasionally juxtoposing items so as to provide some interest) 10:26:58 Cryp71c: hey, that opens up the door to mutation acquirements... :D 10:27:18 mutation acquirements? 10:27:42 if you have mutations with a power value, i mean. can try to generate good ones rather than questionable 'good' ones like scales. 10:28:22 Well, yeah. the mutate_good function(s) can be passed a power, which might try and select a good mutation of around that power level. 10:28:49 would be potentially interesting for jiyva 10:29:37 could also make the remove bad mut ability look at the mut powers to figure out what is 'bad', rather than letting you choose what you want to prune 10:29:45 which feels weird to me 10:34:37 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54:00 -!- eith_ is now known as eith 10:57:10 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:59 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:36 feedback: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:ashenzari#eronarn_s_feedback 11:41:10 back 11:41:33 -!- snailpeg is now known as dpeg 11:41:37 Cryp71c: still around? 11:42:40 dpeg, I am. 11:56:00 sorry, work 11:56:12 Cryp71c: what do you mean by mutation scheduling? 11:56:33 dpeg, the timing of when a DS gets mutations 11:56:52 ah! 11:57:02 Wasn't sure whether it's only about Ds. 11:57:12 Yes, we need to narrow the range of possibilities. 11:57:21 A range of 1..100 sounds excessive though :) 11:57:58 dpeg, well, I wanted to make it varied enough that we can have a high degree of control without needing to make post-implementation changes. 11:58:19 I don't understand... 11:58:27 post-implementation? 11:58:34 Well, say we implement a 1-10 system 11:58:45 and what do you mean by fine control? 11:58:47 and we find 4 months from now that its no longer adequate because 1-10 is too small a range. 11:58:52 So we have to increase the range to 1-25. 11:59:26 So Iw as going to implement it with a wide range (1-100) so that we can be certain its big enough for our current and future needs. 11:59:35 I don't think we're even able to assign meaningful tiers of mutations on that magnitude. Three or four, that I can see :) 11:59:59 But you may mean something else than what I think you do. 12:00:02 Well, we already have tiers of mutations, but tier does not necessarily convey power, which is the issue we're currently seeing. 12:00:13 tiers are what we're currently using for scheduling. 12:00:29 But some tier2 and tier3 mutations are weaker early on but grow in power at levels 2 and 3 respectively 12:00:38 I think we should just collect the issues with the current system and then stare at that list for a while. 12:04:05 There could be two types of problems: you get mutations which are strong too early. You get mutations late which are weak. 12:15:53 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:13 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:31 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:02 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:53 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:36:29 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:31 -!- eith_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:57 -!- Moriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 13:27:36 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:52 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:55 Greater wraith tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2734) by coolio 13:48:38 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:15 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:18 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:33:33 @??greater wraith 14:33:33 greater wraith (15W) | Speed: 11 | HD: 13 | Health: 52-91 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Damage: 1313(drain), 1305(drain strength) | Flags: 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(138), 02cold, 03poison | XP: 1365. 14:37:44 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:46:23 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:51 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:15:50 -!- monky has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:16:25 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:15 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:25 -!- monky has quit [Quit: hello] 15:32:06 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:18 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 15:33:37 -!- casmith_789 is now known as casmith789 15:42:35 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 15:43:14 -!- Wensley is now known as yelsneW 15:45:03 Cryp71c: the way my original proposal solved this was to make certain *levels* of mutations have tiers 15:45:06 rather than certain mutations 15:46:02 and if you got, say, a tier 2 mutation, and it bumped up to a tier 1, you then had a tier 2 slot free (but you'd usually want to calculate this in advance, so you don't go 2 => 1 => 2 but rather 2 => different 2 => one of the 2s becomes a 1) 15:54:30 -!- yelsneW is now known as Wensley 16:09:07 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:15 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:19 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:58 Water creatures can be trampled out of the water (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2735) by kurper 16:52:00 Crash on entering some squares, seems reproducible. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2736) by Zahr 16:56:33 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:46 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:06 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:59:41 -!- casmith_789 is now known as casmith789 18:10:03 :D 18:10:03 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:10:05 !messages 18:10:06 (1/1) snailpeg said (8h 15m 9s ago): I do care, was just absent. 18:15:04 due: clouded on CDO is doing some malign gatewaying if you want to watch 18:19:06 clouded (L27 SESu) ASSERT(slot != NUM_MONSTER_SLOTS) in 'mon-act.cc' at line 1474 failed. (Vault:8) 18:19:18 o :P 18:19:22 :( 18:24:05 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:29:07 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:30:52 lol 18:31:04 st_: You exceeded the number of allowable monsters! 18:31:51 Life isn't worth living unless you're surrounded by hundred of butterflies 18:32:08 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:26 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Quit: Computer went to sleep] 18:35:42 hahaha 18:54:11 so I guess there is a summons cap atm after all :p 18:54:47 FR: make the game crash when there are 20 monsters on one level 18:55:31 casmith789: Vaults:8 usuallyhas a lot of monsters. 18:59:55 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:11 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:47 Slimified Uniques Cast Spells, sometimes nonsensically. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2737) by 256 19:14:07 -!- Vandal has quit [] 19:22:29 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:31:24 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:26 -!- casmith789 has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 19:34:24 -!- casmith_789 is now known as casmith789 19:48:46 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:46 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:55 yo due 20:07:42 yo wensley 20:08:10 * Wensley initiates a fistbump 20:35:43 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:53 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36:53 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36:53 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36:53 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:37:08 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:24 -!- casmith789 has quit [*.net *.split] 20:37:24 -!- lorimer has quit [*.net *.split] 20:37:24 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 20:38:29 -!- Twinge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:41 * TGWi fistbumps Wensley 20:38:42 you looked lonely 20:39:00 -!- dexap has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:17 -!- Napkin_ has quit [Changing host] 20:39:17 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:24 I had been hanging for exactly 30 minutes and 32 seconds 20:41:41 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:41 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:41 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:23 think of it as slow-motion 20:54:00 I think you mean *puts on sunglasses* bro-motion 20:54:45 yeah 20:55:40 tell me your story, TGWi 20:55:49 tell me of your contributions to the crawl community 20:56:19 thoughtful discourse and a positive attitude 20:56:38 haha just kidding, I made a few vaults and complained on the tracker 20:56:42 I'm even in the credits! 20:58:57 that is very cool 21:01:17 this one time, I made an entire (broken) portal vault 21:01:44 I aspire to make broken portal vaults 21:01:50 they are much too elaborate 21:01:53 those were the days 21:02:33 like an entry vault littered with the corpses of kobolds and goblins, a battlefield in the closing days of the great kobbo/gobbo war, with the final goblin and the final kobold facing off in mortal combat 21:05:52 !learn add bad_ideas Portal vault that takes you through time. 50% chance dinosaurs, 50% chance psychic jellyfish. 21:05:52 bad ideas[2503/2503]: Portal vault that takes you through time. 50% chance dinosaurs, 50% chance psychic jellyfish. 21:07:25 due: tgw_lugonu still tries to offer a book of selective amnesia to munites 21:07:41 that should be changed to "scroll of amnesia q:2-4" or something 21:08:09 altar.des 563 21:13:29 tgw_lugonu gives obsolete item (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2738) by TGW 21:13:35 due: sorry, I confused you with a bug tracker for a moment there 21:13:39 won't happen again 21:14:35 so how does that vault work? it just tries to give you something useless depending on your god? 21:14:45 yes 21:15:15 has it been updated to give scrolls of detect curse to ash worshipers? 21:15:25 no 21:18:03 it gives useful items to some people :( 21:18:48 you should be glad; you are a power gamer 21:18:57 it should only give useful items to people who worship terrible gods 21:19:03 "lugonu feels sorry for you" 21:19:46 lugonu is not capable of experiencing sorrow or pity 21:22:13 what does it give you if you worship lugonu? 21:22:21 instant banishment. 21:23:08 should be a pimp ass distortion weapon 21:23:32 a randart weapon of distortion +blink 21:27:55 -!- stabwound has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:28:24 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:35 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:30 -!- stabwound has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:46:26 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:10 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:16 * due tracks TGWi's bugs. 22:01:01 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:48 anyone know how to keep the tiles client from closing on a crash? im getting a lot and im curious whats doing it 22:10:54 I'd be more concerned about what's causing it to crash in the first place... have you had the same bug several times? 22:11:03 What operating system are you running on? 22:11:19 Linux or Mac, you should get a crash file 22:12:24 what, no crash files on windows? 22:12:34 Wensley: Nope. 22:12:40 that's absurd 22:12:54 Thank you. We try our best. 22:13:02 Wensley: windows? yeah, it is 22:13:10 yeah im using windows 22:13:15 alternately 22:13:21 Wensley: using windows? yeah, it is 22:13:22 ^^ why it is absurd 22:13:34 blackflare: Find a copy of windbg or whatever it is these days, and run tiles through that. 22:13:41 It should give you the assert/crash report and possible the option to backtrace. 22:13:44 Disclaimer: I hate windbg. 22:13:48 ah 22:14:49 this presumes that you know how to reproduce the bug 22:14:52 are felids a serious addition btw? they seem a bit silly 22:14:58 god I hope not 22:15:06 not as they are now, anyway 22:15:27 its sorta reproducable, if I play for a minute or so it will come up 22:15:34 I assume its some tile im running into 22:15:46 Are you worshipping Ashenzari? 22:15:49 yes 22:15:54 Known issue, unfortunately. 22:16:06 ah, thats good actually 22:16:12 at least I know what it is 22:16:22 I'm not sure we've gotten a proper backtrace out of it 22:16:27 But it's kilobyte's baby... 22:16:43 I like ashenzari so far, good concept 22:16:57 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:19 -!- valrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:33 blackflare: how much have you played using ash? 22:20:41 not a lot, as I mentioned it crashes on me a lot 22:20:56 I like the idea though 22:27:55 awesome, if you get a chance to try her out we'd love some feedback 22:30:29 i posted ash feedback on the wiki 22:30:32 summary: god is not great 22:32:10 Eronarn: I saw your feedback, it has a lot of overlap with mine which I am still in the middle of writing 23:18:14 imo everyone in ##crawl should write a page and a half about ashenzari 23:20:41 a 500-word essay, due tuesday 23:24:42 a page and a half about how much ashenzari SUCKS!!11one 23:25:40 Eronarn's essay is just the above message, except that the exclamation points continue for a page and a half 23:26:55 imo ashenzari should be male 23:27:04 imo imo imo 23:27:34 ruthinator (L18 FeMo) (Elf:4) 23:28:29 TGWi: yes, it would be way too patriarchical to have a female god, shackled conveniently out of the way, cursed to be unable to affect the world 23:28:50 Eronarn: or female; basically I hate not using pronouns 23:29:06 it's a hungarian name, so I don't know what gender it's supposed to be and a google search returns nothing but crawl results. it just sounds female to me 23:29:32 does it mean something in hungarian? 23:29:34 or is it just a name 23:29:39 I think it's just a name? 23:29:46 you'd have to ask hungary. 23:30:07 and anyway I refer to lugonu as a he when it is clearly a girl, so whatevs 23:30:24 searching for "ashenzari -crawl" is so helpful 23:30:58 it returns images of crawl but on korean websites 23:31:36 TGWi: it 23:31:49 Eronarn: but that sounds really weird 23:32:00 imo just remove all gender 23:32:08 I replaced one of them with "the god" and one of them with weird grammar 23:32:11 just avoid pronouns entirely 23:32:13 it's easily done 23:32:17 I should just rewrite the first part so it sounds less dumb 23:32:25 due: hey while you're here you should read the wiki 23:32:47 yes. and remove ashenzari 23:32:52 and felids 23:32:54 and roundLOS 23:32:55 TGWi: I am not here 23:33:05 my bad 23:33:06 (don't add squareLOS back in. just remove round LOS.) 23:33:11 FR: no LOS 23:33:16 a compromise 23:33:34 echolocation is now the only means of orientation 23:34:02 FR: bat race with echolocation 23:34:13 or just make kenku into bats 23:34:39 batq 23:35:36 FR: octopus 23:37:31 octagonal los 23:39:35 turtles 23:40:11 no LOS 23:40:53 I think tso accepting evil items as sacrifices is broken 23:43:07 I just made a demon whip of pain, a wand of draining, and every unrandart in the game and he won't take any of it 23:44:07 it's gone 23:44:41 weird, but if that's the case then the message "the shining one doesn't care about such mundane gifts" should probably also be removed 23:45:16 why was it taken out? 23:47:20 maybe so people wouldn't think they're supposed to lug items around for negligible piety gain 23:47:31 it was an altar sacrifice right 23:47:41 all it did was eat demon weapons for people that didn't know the blessing interface 23:47:56 also I forget why I came here in the first place 23:48:38 I can't say I agree with the "instead of fixing it we'll just remove it altogether" mindset 23:49:16 it was a bad mechanic to begin with 23:49:20 TSO won't accept item sacrifices (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2739) by LexAckson 23:49:30 yep 23:49:37 right, I probably should have told him it wasn't a bug 23:50:49 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 23:50:50 I forgot how to make mantis links 23:51:01 #number 23:51:44 oh I just had the wrong number 23:53:04 and now I can't fix it, yay 23:54:17 only four hundred off