00:18:25 Yellow Draconian Breath Timeout (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2715) by mong 00:18:55 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43:59 -!- Brownwings has quit [Quit: Brownwings] 00:55:07 -!- Spray has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:40 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:02:11 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:10:43 03dolorous * r1e92fec714cd 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Add formatting fixes. 01:10:44 03dolorous * r10041396a3e2 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Fix Mantis 2715: Properly mark acid spit as being limited by breath. 01:12:44 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:27 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:34 * Giomancer pokes due with a stick 01:29:25 Woah, already fixed? 01:29:25 the crawl dev team is inhumanly fast 01:30:41 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:38:14 Giomancer: Due is DEAD! 01:38:30 Is not. 01:47:03 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:58:11 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:36 03raphael.langella * r9d976873efd5 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: don't prompt twice for autoinscribe 02:09:31 What? 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04:28:21 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:32 !seen kilobyte 04:28:32 I last saw kilobyte at Thu Oct 14 09:00:08 2010 UTC (28m 24s ago) joining the channel. 04:28:36 haha 04:28:57 bmh: I came in two minutes earlier, and the first (and only) thing I did was !seen kilobyte :) 04:29:02 ha! 04:29:42 I think Ashenzari doing something about xp is good. (And still think that he should give a tactical boon...). But instead of the purely passive and powergame-ly xp modifier an active (piety consuming) power to move xp from one skill to another? 04:29:47 dpeg: How is it that mummies can drown? 04:30:03 "Ashenzari helps you to focus." or whatever. 04:30:07 dpeg: already seen? http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2010/10/column_play_sprinting_rapidly.php 04:30:10 bmh: No idea, I never play mummies. 04:30:24 bmh: no, thanks for the link. 04:30:35 != bhaak ;-) 04:31:08 ts, what's going? previously, I was nickhighlighted instead of bmh and now bmh is highlighted instead of me :) 04:33:00 crawl should have horseshoe crabs :-) 04:34:32 dpeg: I think it's reasonable for mummies to get soggy, but deep water shouldn't drown them 04:35:07 perhaps deep water should cause them to rot 04:36:07 bmh: are you concerned about monster mummies or player mummies? 04:36:12 dpeg: player 04:36:15 bhaak: he likes Sprint more than Crawl. What disgrace :) 04:36:37 bmh: propose it on the mummy wiki page. I am not sure about the balance implications. 04:37:00 dpeg: I can relate. I also die as often in crawl as in sprint. Sprint is more efficient in that regard :) 04:37:33 hi dpeg 04:37:34 but he also thinks it's harder than crawl 04:37:44 dpeg, i've started working on a) snails with shells and b) attching leeches 04:40:12 due: cool! 04:40:25 bhaak: well, these are different games :) 04:40:31 In a sense, Sprint is easier. 04:42:39 dpeg: should water hurt vampires? 04:43:11 alive ones, surely 04:43:22 casmith789: shallow water, I mean 04:50:54 I am not familiar with the vampire stories... they don't like water? 04:51:34 dpeg: In some traditions, running water harms vampires 04:52:14 -!- paxed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:53:07 it wouldn't hurt them too much, presumably if they're alive they aren't hurt, and if they're dead they can batform if needed. I haven't heard this either but my mythology on vampires is a bit rusty 04:53:46 casmith789: or it wouldn't hurt them if they're wearing boots :-) 04:54:02 :) seems like quite a small effect, then ;) 04:54:03 all of this means that shallow water hurting vampires is not a good idea 04:54:08 yes 04:54:17 dpeg: I agree that that is undesirable 04:54:21 it would serve to annoy without any real flavour benefit 04:54:25 yes 04:54:38 dpeg: Clinging leeches is surprisingly more difficult than I expected. 04:54:52 mummies getting rot from both shallow and deep water but being able to traverse deep water ... could be interesting 04:54:57 due: :( 04:55:17 dpeg: I'm going to be doing bog mummies, btw. 04:55:22 So perhaps we should consider that in it? 04:55:34 due likes adding new monsters :) 04:56:12 due: Aren't wights traditionally thought of as bog mummies? 04:57:23 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:53 also, players shouldn't drown when falling into lava. 04:58:33 bmh: they don't 04:58:38 casmith789: They do! 04:58:39 necessarily 04:58:49 I just threw a character into lava 04:58:49 there is a save, after all 04:59:00 casmith789: No, I mean... you can't drown in lava. 04:59:03 oh 04:59:08 you burn to a crisp? 04:59:16 dpeg: What if you're rF+++? 04:59:24 no idea 04:59:26 then you get the save! 05:00:04 * bmh tries to find the density of lava 05:00:12 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:26 bmh: you mean massive damage + sticky per turn, right? 05:00:37 casmith789: That's totally reasonable to me 05:00:59 i thought you got the same scramble save as with drowning, as long as you have some rF 05:01:00 A professor of mine once fell in lava :-) 05:01:18 and also take lots of damage in the process 05:01:26 MarvinPA: yes you do 05:01:40 even if you fail the save, you shouldn't *drown* 05:01:43 burning is ok 05:01:50 what about 8d16 fire damage, + sticky 05:01:56 jeebus. 05:02:18 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:03:46 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:57 perhaps this is just pedantry, but if you cast ice storm on water, shouldn't there be a chance of producing ice? 05:04:18 bmh: no realism for realism's sake 05:04:20 there's a big freezing cloud for ages :p 05:04:41 ice isn't really needed 05:06:58 NH would implement realism without thinking. We would like to see some gameplay gain beforehand :) 05:09:07 NH would implement realism!? Really? 05:09:41 dpeg: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:terrain_types&s[]=terrain 05:10:27 also, with regards to tiles, I think that this would require changing how a lot of things work, but I would love to procedurally generate floor and wall tiles 05:10:44 libnoise is a LGPL c++ library that does all the heavy lifting we need 05:12:16 we could also use it for clouds. 05:12:32 we ca't use LGPL code 05:12:38 Or something like that. 05:12:41 due: Yes we can. 05:13:01 LGPL code only act GPL-like if you modify the LGPL code 05:13:08 You can link against it from non-GPL projects 05:13:52 hm. 05:19:50 bmh: I don't fully understand what you mean by "procedurally generate". Not before the level is entered? 05:20:08 dpeg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_texture 05:23:27 later 05:23:32 sure 05:39:05 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45:08 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:57 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:40 is there any easy way to fix the scrying+smite target abuse, otherwise i'll probably remove the ash altar from sprint after all 05:56:54 no, I don't think so 05:58:01 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:50 new feature "lead walls" 05:59:12 i thought the plan was for it not to be possible to attack things you can only see through scrying 05:59:18 TGWi: crawl's faraday cage? 05:59:34 it's really absurdly abusable, i should point out 05:59:52 MarvinPA: that has always been my complaint 06:00:57 i wasn't sure whether allowing smite targeting through scrying in the current implementation was a bug or an oversight or intentional or what 06:02:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:04 03Mu * r87e2f2dbaab8 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/sprint_mu.des: On second thought, Remove Ashenzari's altar from sprint_mu 06:04:58 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:24 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:29 MarvinPA: yeah, I think ash would be much better if you couldn't abuse him like that; why are you able to attack through scrying? 06:05:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:07:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:07:17 -!- bmh has left ##crawl-dev 06:07:18 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 06:08:29 Mu_: scrying should _not_ allow smite targetting. 06:08:31 That's a bug. 06:08:44 can stick the altar back in when it's fixed 06:08:46 !lg 06:08:47 1338. bookofjude the Sabretooth (L23 FeBe), worshipper of Trog, annihilated by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2010-10-14, with 394718 points after 98025 turns and 4:59:51. 06:08:47 yes 06:08:58 they're viable 06:09:01 Mu_: plain scrying would be fun in Sprint maps. 06:09:25 was just trying to head off this stuff: i need to win the hell out of sprint 3 with cloud spells and ashenzari before it's fixed 06:09:26 :) 06:11:31 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:13:40 dpeg: it's a bug? oh good, I just wrote a bit on the ash wiki explaining why it shouldn't be done :p 06:18:33 casmith789: yes, not intended. And kilobyte is aware of it, iirc. 06:31:02 -!- gamefreak264 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:58 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:03 !seen kilobyte 06:34:04 I last saw kilobyte at Thu Oct 14 09:00:08 2010 UTC (2h 33m 56s ago) joining the channel. 06:37:44 -!- Brownwings has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:16 bmh: he is working! 06:38:22 dpeg: overrated! 06:42:09 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 06:46:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:05:24 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:06:31 -!- Galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:28 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:14 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:19 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 07:10:19 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:17 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:19 -!- MadCoyote has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:52 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:14:53 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 07:15:31 -!- Spray has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:17:02 is there hope for the removal of spell ranges? 07:17:54 -!- neunon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:03 st_: Why would we want that? 07:18:39 it's possible if square los isn't adopted 07:19:16 a few spells aside obviously 07:31:31 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:37:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:47 -!- lorimer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:07 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:48:10 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:07 Odd, second time I get an Ash altar on D:2 now. Forced placement to evaluate the god? 07:56:19 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58:16 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:29 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:21 it's a shame that felids can't wear boots 08:29:32 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:17 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:20 -!- Guest87713 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:40 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:36:11 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:21 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:37 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest63965 08:39:59 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:51:42 -!- rkd has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57:49 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:20 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:04:30 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:49 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:43 -!- gamefreak264 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11:10 -!- gamefreak264 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:50 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:06 due, Napkin: please update windows builds 09:23:54 -!- Brownwings has quit [Quit: Brownwings] 09:34:48 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:21 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:59 -!- lorimer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:45:38 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:59 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:48:22 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:00 -!- eith has left ##crawl-dev 09:51:23 -!- Guest63965 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:50 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:25 -!- 84XAA3JWH has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:25 -!- 50UAATQ7G has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:19 -!- gamefreak264 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:55:00 -!- gamefreak264 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:24 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 10:07:23 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:09:13 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:10:52 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:08 MarvinPA (L13 FeCr) ASSERT(mons_genus(type) == MONS_DRACONIAN) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 1029 failed. (Sprint) 10:13:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:25 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:59 -!- gamefreak264 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:51 -!- gamefreak264 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:49 Crash in Sprint 3 upon draconian scorcher(?) attempting to act (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2716) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid 10:31:56 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:33:23 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:29 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:15 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 10:47:14 !tell kilobyte The entire TODO section on Ash is by me. Please comment, perhaps there's stuff in there you like. 10:47:18 dpeg: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 10:49:06 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:10 -!- Galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:58 -!- gamefreak264 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:13 LexAckson (L19 FeTm) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1540 failed. (D:1 (Sprint)) 10:54:15 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:21 LexAckson (L19 FeTm) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1540 failed. (D:1 (Sprint)) 10:55:26 LexAckson (L19 FeTm) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1540 failed. (D:1 (Sprint)) 10:55:38 LexAckson (L19 FeTm) ASSERT(probe != attack_constraints.connection_constraints->end()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 1540 failed. 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(D:1 (Sprint)) 11:12:20 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:02 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:20:54 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:43 -!- bmh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44:00 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:10 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 11:44:10 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:51 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:00 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:09 -!- bmh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:40 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:22 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:59 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:39 good afternoon all 12:08:35 -!- bmh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:49 -!- bmh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:49 -!- bmh_ is now known as bmh 12:17:36 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:04 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:19 Wensley: Hi! 12:32:33 Not much going on today. 12:32:41 yes, it seems quite dead 12:32:47 a dreary midautumn afternoon here 12:32:49 dead? :) 12:32:56 that's a lot of crashes 12:33:17 I'll be afk soon, too. 12:33:35 I'm not sure if you guys heard, but yesterday someone was having problems with maximizing their crawl window, using tiles on a mac 12:33:50 I was the only one here to console him 12:34:01 ouch 12:34:18 basically, maximizing it kept him from then minimizing it or switching to any other window 12:34:19 We have no developer who's natively on Mac... it shows :) 12:34:43 yeah, I wasn't even aware that you *could* maximize on a mac, apart from hitting the little green button (which isn't really maximizing) 12:35:05 * dpeg has never touched a mac. 12:35:14 anythingbutipod.com :) 12:35:43 dpeg: I've been playing stalkers of ash, and it feels... weird 12:35:53 Wensley: so did I. Why weird? 12:35:54 it's hard to explain exactly how 12:36:06 God is not finished, of course. Did you see my comments on the wiki page? 12:36:19 I believe the detection feedback should be better. 12:36:32 I've been following the wiki, yes. I do agree that active abilities from having cursed equipment would be nice (don't know how I feel about xp, though) 12:36:58 Hey, I don't want active abilities from cursed equipment. I want those to be passive, but tactical. 12:37:13 So you gain something during ordinary play beyond the detection. 12:37:14 I feel like autoexplore needs to take ash's passive abilities into account... it's nice that I can see people through walls and before they come into sight, but that doesn't help when autoexplore puts me in sight of them regardless 12:37:24 annoyingly ashenzari isn't really viable in sprint :/ 12:37:29 Wensley: ah, that is a good point 12:37:29 i'm really liking ashenzari, as a felid it's hard to evaluate how strong the conduct is though 12:37:31 casmith789: why? 12:37:39 no scrolls of curse foo really 12:37:55 casmith789: and no remove curse either, I guess 12:38:31 In sprint 1 I cleared to the shops and to the hogs and still only had 2* ash piety (only 2 scrolls all game, so I had a cursed weapon & 1 piece of armour) 12:38:35 that might be for the best, she might be too powerful in sprint, what with it being one level and all 12:38:42 why? 12:38:47 I found it annoying that a randart will be announced just like another pile of stones, 12:38:52 alternatively she might be too weak, since it's always the same layout (or largely the same) 12:38:53 similar for monsters. 12:39:20 sprint is fixed though, so scrying and detection are somewhat less useful if you know what's coming anyway 12:39:45 yeah, but it's still nice to know, and some of it is variable 12:39:47 I feel like it'll lead to people using scrying to learn the map and then playing it for real with another god, but hell they can always just look at the raw map file anyway 12:39:48 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:22 but I've been playing sprint to test out the new features, ash is one I guess I'll have to play the main game for 12:41:42 dpeg: I like idea that ash would allow you to sense randarts differently from normal items, and i'd espeically like it if autoexplore stopped you as soon as one of those items came into your extended sight for the first time 12:41:57 Wensley: gotta comment on the wiki page then :) 12:42:01 will do 12:43:13 On the topic of Ashenzari, I noticed that the detailed religion info screen refers to the god is "he". I think all the others explicitly avoid references to gender. 12:44:08 Sjohara: it will look differently when released 12:47:16 Wensley: i filed wrote something about autoexplore/travel taking detected and sleeping/immobile monsters into account, i'll find it now 12:47:37 when I compiled the game myself from source, my piety display on the % screen is showing me an absolute number rather than a number of stars, is that just an effect of wizmode? 12:48:01 yes 12:48:09 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1794 12:48:24 should i add that somewhere in the wiki? 12:49:50 ortoslon: yes, please 12:50:52 ortoslon: make a new section under "to do" so that it doesn't get lost in the text blocks, I'll add my own comments to it later 12:51:15 link to "to do", please? 12:51:29 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:ashenzari#todo 12:52:28 oh speaking of autoexplore improvements, you probably shouldn't be able to autoexplore into silence 12:53:17 what's the wiki template for linking to a FR? 12:53:36 I also had a question about the wiki. I've skimmed over it a couple of times, and I noticed that it's mostly the same small group of people commenting on it. Would feedback from less experience players be considered a useful perspective, or just clutter? 12:53:56 [mantis>####] i think, but i'm not certain 12:54:20 I've never been entirely clear if it's designed to be used by a specific group of developers and testers, or if it's just that most people don't know about it. 12:54:31 Sjohara: feedback is absolutely okya 12:54:47 Sjohara: try to be brief, and try to listen to others =) 12:55:12 Sjohara: nope, feedback from everyone is always welcome, you need only be civil (which is a trait missing from even some longtime contributors) 12:56:00 Thanks. I had a few responses to the discussions on religious background reform and maybe the retroactive experience distribution proposals, but I wasn't sure if I should go through with posting them or not. 12:56:09 ortoslon: [[mantis>bugnumber]], i was close 12:56:22 Sjohara: always go ahead 12:56:29 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:start has the syntax for those things 12:57:38 Got confused while at 6* Ash Piety (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2717) by larasium 12:58:25 I feel like the evaporate spell should check to see if you miscast *before* asking you to select a potion 12:58:50 yes, I think that's an old idea .) 12:59:11 you're always going on about interface improvements :) 12:59:54 Wensley: not good? 13:00:15 no, it is great. I feel like crawl is the game it is because of its usable interface 13:00:44 done, move if needed https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:ashenzari#todo 13:00:45 I always hope there's more to it =) 13:01:16 well I also feel like crawl is the game it is because it is unforgiving, which is one of the reasons I don't like felids :P 13:01:42 You think they're too easy? 13:01:52 crawl's interface spoiled me so much i go ewwwww at other major roguelikes 13:01:55 I have a friend who does, plays them as transmuters 13:02:01 he calls felids "n00b mode" 13:02:11 (and most minor too) 13:02:31 I've actually been having a surprisingly easy time (at least in the early game) with my felid transmuter. 13:03:01 Stuff like Ice Form negates most of the disadvantages, but the extra lives still save you in places where a Sludge Elf of the same level might have died. 13:03:54 Things probably take a turn for the worse once you reach a point where most characters are decked out in artifacts, though. 13:04:24 it's not that I'm vehemently opposed to felids, it's more that I feel like they're a rather uninteresting race and we'd be better served revising or excising our current uninteresting races (see also minotaur) 13:05:42 I don't think uninteresting fits. 13:05:55 It's also not clear whether they'll make it into a release. 13:06:08 I'm interested in your opinion on this matter, I haven't seen you around since they were implemented 13:06:17 Well, the extra lives are cool, but needing to ignore 90% of the treasure does kind of make things less exciting. 13:06:23 I was very skeptical at first, but now I could live with them. 13:06:41 I proposed four ring slots for them. 13:06:47 that would be cool :) 13:06:57 It seems like they should probably be able to wear hats and cloaks. 13:06:59 what about the tail 13:07:17 Spider form can wear hats and ice form can wear cloaks, but cats can't wear either, even when transformed into those creatures. 13:07:26 I need to propose that jiyva finger mutation that gives you more ring slots 13:08:19 it's not because of lack of fingers 13:08:32 artificers that reach a certain level in dnd can take the four rings feat 13:09:02 "Wriggling fingers grow all over your body!" <-- at least one of them can wear a ring, hopefully 13:10:54 hey you can feedback pdd again 13:11:19 felids should be able to wear gloves and boots, but they get confused while doing so 13:11:33 oops :P 13:12:37 okay, I am now playing go 13:12:41 see you tomorrow! 13:12:45 -!- dpeg is now known as dpego 13:13:19 "dpego" sounds like the italian doppelganger of dpeg 13:14:18 i had a math professor named pego 13:15:34 ash just saved me from being sandwiched between an ooze and an ogre: "the ogre shouts!" *sees } coming around corner* 13:18:04 dpeggio 13:20:49 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:33 i wonder if a cephalopod race that can't wear armor but can wear 8 rings would work. 13:23:42 +48, +48 slaying ahaha 13:24:18 ortoslon was then gangbanged by eight orbs of fire 13:26:54 I thought worshiping ash was supposed to keep scrolls of enchant foo from uncursing your stuff? 13:27:48 Enslaved souls keep trying to cast invisibility on themselves (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2718) by ledtim 13:31:07 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:31:17 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:11 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:57 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:30 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:35 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:02 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:10:05 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:38 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:35 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:22:35 -!- adamo901 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:53 hello crawlers! 15:25:26 I need help: I`m playing DCSS 7.0. As a Lugonu follower, how can I destroy other gods altars..?? 15:25:53 you cannot 15:27:05 ugh.. I thought it`s [possible 15:28:33 sometimes corrupting will convert them 15:28:44 hmm.. I think Lugonu would like that ;) 15:28:50 not yet 15:29:00 at least as far as I know 15:29:07 but you get an altar for weapon blessing 15:29:11 then this might be added 15:29:14 so it's nice to do it in temple 15:29:40 adamo901: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:lugonu 15:30:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:30:20 what I mean: Lugonu is banished... etc... so, when a player finds other god altar, Lugonu would like if it is destroyed 15:30:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:06 @monky: thanx for the link. How can I add my idea into this thread? 15:35:59 you need an account on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/ if I recall correctly 15:37:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:37:41 yes I can edit this page 15:39:49 then what are you asking 15:42:34 -!- adamo901 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:58:42 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:23 hehe, adamo has been reinventing a good idea. I like that! 16:03:28 -!- dpego is now known as dpeg 16:03:33 hi dpego 16:03:36 -!- adamo901 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:11 please help - how to desacrate other god`s altars by Lugonu follower? 16:04:35 it cannot be done 16:05:08 adamo901: you cannot do it right now 16:05:09 currently you have a chance to convert altars with corruption but the only benefit of it is having an altar for blessing 16:05:18 adamo901: but it is planned for the future 16:05:33 23:03 <@dpego> hehe, adamo has been reinventing a good idea. I like that! 16:06:21 hey, how can I remove old games (I don`t want to meet my own ghosts anymore!) 16:06:40 you mean the bones files? 16:07:20 adamo901: yes, if you play local, you can remove ghosts 16:07:28 hm.. I think so. I`m uninstalling the game and installing it, but there are still my previous gameplays 16:08:00 i hate ghosts - they`re making me mad 16:08:42 adamo901: play some Necromancers 16:08:48 they love ghosts 16:09:28 (I still think this is cool idea, but I don`t like to meet very strong ghosts on, say, 3rd level; it`s a bit unbalanced IMO) 16:10:14 adamo901: you can usually leave the level in such cases, and come back later 16:10:34 it will dissapeare? 16:10:41 you usually aren't that strong by D:3, they vanish you encounter them and the game ends with you on a different level, and necromancers usually have dispel undead 16:11:45 oh, one more thing; I found that 0.7 is unstable 16:11:53 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2524 16:11:54 a bug? 16:12:12 it always happened 16:12:32 adamo901: please file bug reports at Mantis 16:12:35 ??mantis 16:12:35 mantis[1/1]: The replacement for sourceforge, mantis can be found at http://crawl.develz.org/mantis 16:13:08 adamo901: if you really want to remove your bones files (which is lame but whatever) they're in saves/bones.* 16:13:22 yes, I reported it but there`s no answer 16:13:35 adamo901: things take time 16:13:43 all developers are working voluntarily on this 16:14:59 I guess Stone Soup became popular lately? 16:15:24 that`s why so much bug reports hehe 16:15:45 it`s the best crawler, isn`t it 16:17:38 thanks 16:17:45 the number of bugs is normal 16:17:48 was always like this 16:22:41 -!- adamo901 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:29:37 I should make a strong character, poison myself down to 1 hp berserk and die on D:2 16:31:55 ghosts will only happen D:3 and later 16:32:08 %s/2/3/ 16:32:47 last time I left a ghost on purpose I'm pretty sure devs removed it :P 16:33:25 have you ever eaten yourself as a felid? 16:33:32 yes. 16:33:34 :D 16:33:43 it was caturlicious 16:38:55 Remove Curse not functioning properly under Ashenzari (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2719) by larasium 16:38:55 I swear, my next win is going to be a Felid TM of Kiku 16:39:24 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 16:41:18 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:12 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:00 Felids auto-ID the weapon that kills them (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2720) by GameKnut 17:04:35 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:20 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:04 Scroll tiles are jumbled (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2721) by GameKnut 17:18:09 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:18:48 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:40 -!- rkd has quit [] 17:44:07 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:47:20 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:25 -!- Vandal has quit [] 18:11:08 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:40 03dolorous * r571d6a7f0d8a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Add minor cosmetic fixes. 18:24:43 03dolorous * r86c81fd8cb73 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc it_use2.cc): Clarify comments: "backlight" refers only to corona, so use "corona". 18:24:48 03dolorous * ree4d2da1b8c3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files): Move checks for naturally glowing to an actor-interface function. 18:24:48 03dolorous * r14c3ef7864c5 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use2.cc: Fix indentation. 18:48:20 -!- Vandal has quit [] 18:57:03 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58:13 03kilobyte * racf5187334f2 10/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc: Ashenzari: allow acquirement to produce cursed items. 18:58:35 03kilobyte * r555734fcd3ae 10/crawl-ref/source/ (211 files in 2 dirs): Massive spacing fixes: "( spaces after parentheses )". 18:58:57 adding or removing? 18:59:57 removing, so dolorous won't have to do hundreds of small commits 18:59:57 kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:00:01 !messages 19:00:02 (1/3) due said (22h 54m 37s ago): My friend thought the Red Bull/Idiocracy reference was cool. 19:00:03 !messages 19:00:04 (1/2) due said (21h 45m 37s ago): vorpalise weapon should be useless for felids also 19:00:05 !messages 19:00:05 (1/1) dpeg said (8h 12m 48s ago): The entire TODO section on Ash is by me. Please comment, perhaps there's stuff in there you like. 19:01:53 03kilobyte * r343ede6aa41a 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Felids: mark scrolls of vorp weapon as useless. 19:04:56 03kilobyte * r448542e984ad 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tilesdl.cc util/art-data.pl): Spacing fix: "if(". 19:17:50 03kilobyte 07unicode * rf7717330f1e1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (211 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into unicode 19:18:03 03kilobyte 07unicode * re7572d74b309 10/crawl-ref/ (316 files in 31 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into unicode 19:30:22 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:48 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest1311 19:30:52 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:54 -!- 84XAA3JWH has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:00 -!- 50UAATQ7G has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33:17 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:34:38 -!- OG17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:54 kilobyte: still around? 19:36:00 meow? 19:37:13 just curious, I have some ash feedback that I'm going to write up soon and you're the go-to person for all things ash 19:38:54 for design, mostly dpeg, but coding includes a good part of design, too 19:39:12 the real reason that I pinged you was because I thought that ash worshipers weren't autopickup-ing scrolls of curse foo, but I just tested it and I must have been mistaken earlier 19:41:17 yeah I already spoke to dpeg about a few of my more wide-ranging concerns, my current writeup includes all the little things as well 19:52:02 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:53:53 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:57:10 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:11:40 also, kilobyte, a quick bug fix: scrolls of enchant weapon and enchant armour are still uncursing those items for ash worshipers (or maybe this is intentional?) 20:13:24 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:44 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:23:27 I quite fail to get why they would work differently 20:24:21 for Asherites, it may be a drawback, but it's not obvious how they could selectively read only parts of the scroll 20:32:08 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:29 it'll only hit them rarely anyways 20:34:39 only on read-ID 20:37:21 kilobyte: I only know that it was an element of the original proposal to make enchanting scrolls not decurse. Eronarn: true (it did just get me, though), although it'll either greatly increase the demand for cursing scrolls (if ash worshipers choose to enchant their items) or either make enchanting scrolls useless to them 20:39:56 there are tons of curse scrolls lying around the dungeon in most games 20:40:08 i really fail to see why ash will have a problem given current scroll distribution 20:40:38 also you can stockpile ew scrolls and read them later 20:41:07 in fact, if you read them when you switch to a new weapon but before you curse it, you never even have to care 20:56:35 that's fine, I'm still playing through my ash worshiper but thus far I haven't had a problem cursing things, just finding things I don't mind cursing 21:38:06 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:08 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:45 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06:19 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:16 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:24 -!- Elvashi has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:13 -!- Elvashi is now known as Textmode 22:15:48 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:42 -!- OG17 has quit [Client Quit] 22:17:18 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:44 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:10 * Giomancer shambles 23:09:02 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:23 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:14 Crash is caused by exiting during Stack Five (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2722) by drrkdriller 23:37:56 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:09 -!- gamefreak264 has joined ##crawl-dev