00:17:18 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:49 -!- Moriasc is now known as Snorlax 00:42:52 -!- Snorlax is now known as Snoriasc 01:01:50 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03:44 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:55 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:01 -!- paxed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:35:09 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:09 -!- paxed has quit [Changing host] 01:35:09 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:50 -!- monky has quit [Quit: what] 03:14:38 -!- DaneiTWO has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:15:35 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:01 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:26 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:30 !seen Napkin 05:16:30 I last saw Napkin at Wed Sep 29 11:59:02 2010 UTC (2d 22h 17m 28s ago) saying excellent :) on ##crawl-dev. 05:16:46 !tell Napkin The CDO starting page is borked!? 05:16:47 dpeg: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 05:17:08 no.. 05:17:08 Napkin: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:17:15 damn wordpress is b0rked! 05:17:33 when you try to add some content in a page or post 05:17:40 Napkin: is it also for you? 05:17:48 just reload 05:17:56 Wensley called the gold god lackluster :( 05:17:58 i'm fiddling with it for an hour now ;) 05:18:04 aha! 05:18:14 trying to show "Incoming Links" 05:18:33 ah, cool idea 05:18:50 but i'm about to give up on the idea 05:21:23 :( 05:21:32 Napkin: did you see that on other pages? 05:23:31 pardon? 05:25:11 The functionality... 05:25:12 including an php script inside a post or page is horrible 05:26:13 well, no, I didn't see it.. but there are few plugins that provide this feature - but they show it mostly in the sidebar, instead of inside a page/post content 05:41:58 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:13 ha! 05:44:37 -!- Snoriasc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:03 -!- Snoriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:47:03 -!- Snoriasc_ is now known as Snoriasc 05:47:59 Hu! 05:56:32 -!- eith has left ##crawl-dev 05:58:13 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 06:02:14 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:21 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 06:29:55 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:56 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 06:57:59 alright, done 06:58:28 "Latest Incoming Links" showing up on the main website, below "Latest Posts from our Blog" 07:44:18 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:20 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:00 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:21:07 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:33 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:30:28 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:26 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Client Quit] 08:33:19 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:42 i wll make an impassioned petition to at least put a level 2 spell in the book of wizardry 08:33:49 or get rid of it altogether AUGH 08:34:59 03dolorous * r675821f83cec 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Add another minor cosmetic fix. 08:35:07 ??book of wizardry 08:35:07 book of wizardry[1/1]: Spells: selective amnesia, summon elemental, teleport self, fireball, haste. 08:35:17 Why? What's wrong with it? 08:35:52 mid-level books are fine 08:36:02 mid level books would be fine 08:36:07 if it showed up mid-level 08:36:17 for characters dabbling in spellcasting 08:36:24 it's frequently the first book they come across 08:36:30 you can get Annihilations on D:4, so what's the problem? 08:36:58 I'd counter with frequency 08:37:45 Wizardry is a fairly common book 08:38:13 since frequency doesn't have any ties with depth, I fail to see how this would help 08:38:29 and it's not uncommon at all for the only book a character who badly needs spellcasting to survive, for the first 12 or 13 levels, is wizardry 08:38:47 Get them to convert to Sif Muna? 08:38:52 Kinda pointless, I guess. 08:38:55 Kiku in that case. 08:39:05 hmm, that is a good point 08:39:18 Kiku would render the whole discussion meaningless 08:39:37 it's same as finding a battleaxe early on -- you can hardly make good use for it, but that's no reason for it to be worthless 08:40:25 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:38 an argument that "this book doesn't deserve to be so common" would have some merit, though 08:44:18 you're right about that, i guess it shouldn't be stricken from the record. it can be a very useful book 08:44:45 but it's... a very boring book to be so widespread in the dungeon and encountered so much early on, in my opinion 08:44:49 thats all :] 08:45:43 that's a valid opinion "a very boring book that's too widespread" 08:46:28 just as "we should make book frequency tied to depth" 08:47:09 but not "this book shouldn't spawn early so it shouldn't have as much weight" -- as these two are (currently) unrelated 08:47:11 I dunno about that last one, I find the idea of annihilations on d:3 quite fun 08:47:22 makes sense 08:47:34 I was rather pushing the first agenda 08:48:04 right, and I see no good reason for this book to be especially frequent 08:48:38 it has a couple of vital spells: SA and Haste, but the former is already gone and the latter is going to be nerfed 08:51:11 ooh, I didn't know that. 08:51:23 is haste an ongoing DCSS wiki discussion? 08:51:35 i need to read up first :\ 08:51:52 ooh, I see what's wrong: there's a hard-coded 10% chance for any book to be replaced by either Wizardry or Power 08:52:05 ... gross. 08:52:07 haha what! 08:52:11 WTF? Dump that. 08:52:15 that's absurd 08:53:02 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:08 ??book of power 08:53:09 book of power[1/1]: Contains Animate Dead, Venom Bolt, Iron Shot, Teleport Other, Invisibility, Mass Confusion, Mystic Blast and Poisonous Cloud. 08:53:53 Power is nice. 08:55:01 power is very good 08:56:39 did you not know that :/ I thought it was a deliberate design choice 08:57:00 I don't understand the impetus behind the choise 08:57:03 choice* 09:01:15 removing that replacement chance would seriously reduce their frequency... even the biggest non-cheating books, Hinderance/Cantrips, are relatively rare 09:02:10 would that frequency be enough? 09:02:53 it's pretty rare to get cantrips and hinderance in every game before very late 09:03:12 although I don't see why wizardry / power need to be that common, if you want power go vehumet imo 09:03:39 and if haste is being fixed then it shouldn't be a problem 09:03:43 Just increase their generation frequency? 09:03:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:37 due: the biggest frequency the normal code allows is that of Cantrips and Hinderance (and Minor Magic, but that's muddled by three copies of it so I used the first two so you can have an idea) 09:07:58 I guess that was the reason for special casting Power and Wizardry 09:09:03 Isee. 09:09:08 Reduce the case to 4% or so? 09:11:31 wouldn't simplify the code, but yeah, it's the simplest change 09:11:59 and since I don't feel like overhauling book generation right now, I like your idea 09:13:38 this should be thought of in another light: while those are nice books, there are a lot of other nice books, too 09:13:48 which get bumped aside for them, apparently 09:14:29 (also, all of those spells save for IMB are in at least one other book, i think?) 09:16:27 adding IMB to some other book might be a good idea 09:16:32 03kilobyte * r3f3bef3ea3c0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.h tag-version.h tags.cc): wip -- debug counters 09:16:35 it used to be in annihilations 09:16:36 crap 09:16:37 03kilobyte * ra9c3b586cfd0 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Reduce the chance of any book to be replaced by Power/Wizardry from 10% to 4%. 09:17:04 but I guess the other book you're referring to wouldn't be (so) high-level 09:17:05 also, unnerf imb, kthx 09:17:06 whew, no damage done 09:18:05 ONLY Power has it 09:18:58 so adding it to another book would be needed 09:24:24 i don't think it's a good fit in annihilations... not sure where else it could go though 09:24:37 i think all the other conj-y books have a spell like that already 09:24:48 kilobyte: hm, did you mean to push the other changes? (diagonal counter) 09:30:58 due: obviously not 09:31:18 that's what I meant by "crap" and "whew, no damage done" (since it doesn't break anything) 09:34:46 excellent 09:37:13 I'll add them and then revert after we get some stats 09:37:31 there's little overlap with the current place_info counters 09:45:33 03dolorous * r4d84077401d2 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Move zombie HP and AC/EV adjustments into their own functions. 09:53:12 -!- monky has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:55 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:47 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:07 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:18 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:59 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:23 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:36 03dolorous * r8590e06f4b45 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Fix message when trying to animate zero-headed hydra skeletons. 10:02:01 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:44 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:16:39 03dolorous * r581f78f4a7ac 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Add a message for when Death Channel fails on a zero-headed hydra. 10:18:34 03dolorous * rfca7340fe04b 10/crawl-ref/source/mapdef.cc: Add another formatting fix. 10:25:08 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:22 due, Napkin: please update windows builds 10:54:01 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55:15 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:42 -!- felirx_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:55 -!- felirx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:30 03kilobyte * ra8830bb9c52d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (chardump.cc main.cc): Gather some stats about combat and diagonal moves. 11:16:50 03kilobyte * r6f95dbd1e669 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Use a less technical term for 0-headed hydras. 11:22:00 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:10 we need to fix silent spectres. 11:22:36 there's a thing on the wiki about that 11:22:52 filed under the monster name? 11:23:38 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:branch:crypt&s[]=silent&s[]=spectre 11:24:17 Will anything on Elf:7 be dangerous with a spectre in tow? 11:24:26 blademasters, master archers 11:25:46 player ghosts don't follow you through stairs, spectres may be described as belonging to the same type 11:25:56 yeah 11:26:05 I think the simplest fix is to stop them from following you 11:26:21 as in not moving at all? 11:26:24 no no 11:26:32 no follow between levels. 11:26:44 as long as they can move they'd still break liches, should they be generated on the same level 11:27:21 also, as a stabbed they make life easy 11:28:12 another reasonable mechanic, which I'd like to see for Giant Eyes, is that they should flee if there aren't any other monsters in LOS 11:28:48 I proposed that behavior for deep dwarf healers on the dwarven hall page 11:29:55 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:30 is monster AI all in LUA? 11:31:33 pretty sure it's in C++ 11:32:19 alright -- one silent spectre successfully delivered to elf 11:35:27 03dolorous * r5384d5792578 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Preserve individual monster HD for zombified types when possible. 11:39:32 bmh: perhaps: flee if they are as fast or faster than you, or there is a monster in their LOS but not yours 11:44:29 -!- paxed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:48:20 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:38 The serpent of hell disguises itself as other dragons (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2669) by st 12:25:46 -!- bmh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:03:07 bmh: is that the 13:03:10 ack, he left 13:03:26 !send bmh is that spectre the same one you carted around Tomb? 13:03:26 Sending is that spectre the same one you carted around Tomb? to bmh. 13:03:54 hm, did Henzell change from "alright, I'll let x know." ? 13:04:20 Pacra: you want !tell 13:04:40 haha. what did I just do :3 13:04:51 direct connect or something 13:05:01 !help send 13:05:02 !send: !send : Will send to 's game (this is a campaign promise). 13:05:33 scary 13:06:03 that's certainly a griefing player's dream 13:06:18 !tell bmh Is that spectre the same one you'd been carting around the Tomb? 13:06:19 Pacra: OK, I'll let bmh know. 13:06:24 thanks, kilobyte :] 13:10:46 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:09 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:48 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:06 -!- Snoriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 14:34:02 03kilobyte 07cats * r52c95272cf0b 10/crawl-ref/ (130 files in 17 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into cats 14:34:02 03kilobyte 07cats * r09ecfb8815d8 10/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc: Felids: set your corpse's HD to your level. 14:38:28 so is the Felid that weak "witch's cat" race, or something else? 14:52:50 i would love an rc option that actually made !send work while playing xom 14:53:16 it would need to have a 'BEEEEEEEEEEES' alias though 14:53:28 it'd have to discount scores since it'd be so scummable 14:53:29 :( 15:12:52 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:29 are felids getting done? 15:16:24 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:40 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:09 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:09 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:01 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:31 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:23:33 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:51 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:33:18 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:46 !tell dpeg would really be useful to have your input in #2406, it's getting out of hand i think 18:08:46 doy: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 18:22:25 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:25 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 18:22:25 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:13 -!- bmh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:39 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:38:35 kilobyte: Are you going to push cats into master soon? 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2670) by nubinia 23:54:35 they aren't? 23:55:15 They're marked thrown, I assume. 23:55:57 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev