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03:22:28 <Napkin> Need to reboot CDO, kernel upgrade necessary.
03:24:55 <Zao> Doesn't seem to be any games in progress, oddly enough.
03:25:15 <Zao> You should have done it half an hour ago, while nyaa was ascending :D
03:27:03 <Adeon> reboot to plug the recently discovered hole?
03:27:13 <Napkin> yes
03:29:03 <due> There's a hole in my kernel, dear Liza?
03:29:03 <Napkin> too many people with remote login ;)
03:29:15 <due> what was the hole?
03:29:17 <Napkin> 1 minute left.. o/
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03:30:32 <Adeon> IIRC something in 32-bit emulation on 64-bit kernels was broken that allowed anyone to become root
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03:32:54 <due> oh nice
03:33:01 <Napkin> re!
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03:38:05 <due> rehi napking
03:39:34 <Napkin> thanks :)
03:40:02 <Napkin> ok, I guess all services restarted... breakfast time :D
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04:38:56 <due> napkin eats!
04:39:39 <Napkin> sssshhh!
04:53:38 <kilobyte_> just in case we add a cat branch: the meow runes are "ᛗᛖᛟᚹ"
04:59:51 <Napkin> lol
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05:04:16 <kilobyte_> actually, it might be not a bad idea to use actual rune letters instead of {
05:05:43 <kilobyte_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_alphabet
05:13:17 <due> I was thinking IRC was a bit quiet.
05:13:33 <due> I went to ay as much and I'd actualy been DC'd.
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10:09:09 <Ashenzari> comment in spl-data.h says controlled blink is a bit noisier than blink, but it isn't (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2606) by galehar
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10:44:51 <blue_anna> hey does anyone have any free time to help me track down a bug?
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11:09:29 <Ashenzari> TILES: Giant Scorpion (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2607) by coolio
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11:17:53 <blue_anna> hey dpeg
11:20:36 <dpeg> Hallo!
11:20:46 <dpeg> Finally back home with working terminals.
11:20:59 <blue_anna> you work with terminals?
11:21:07 <dpeg> What else?
11:21:09 <blue_anna> what do you do?
11:21:17 <dpeg> log in from one machine to another
11:21:29 <dpeg> I guess we should talk about the 0.8 agenda soon.
11:21:53 <blue_anna> dpeg, my project isnt even on it
11:22:07 <blue_anna> pretty sure its put off until after 0.8
11:22:12 <dpeg> blue_anna: yes, this is why I think about the agenda
11:22:27 <dpeg> johann
11:22:29 <blue_anna> hmm, ok
11:22:34 <dpeg> That was my son :)
11:23:18 <blue_anna> hola a su hijo :)
11:23:28 <dpeg> Je ne compris.
11:23:30 <dpeg> pas
11:23:44 <dpeg> blue_anna: If the branch is far enough, there's no reason not to add it to 0.8
11:24:17 <blue_anna> dpeg, well its playable, thats for sure .. and it is tuned to be equivalent to elf in a number of ways
11:24:22 <dpeg> It is just that branch polishing takes a lot of effort. We learned this from Shoals (took three major version iirc).
11:24:36 <blue_anna> dpeg, buta good reason not to add it is because Im basically the only playtester so far
11:24:37 <dpeg> blue_anna: yes, but Shoals also was playable quite soon :)
11:24:42 <dpeg> Polishing is another layer.
11:24:57 <dpeg> blue_anna: yes, we should definitely add the branch to trunk.
11:25:01 <dpeg> This will help a lot.
11:25:25 <blue_anna> it needs two things I guess to do that
11:25:36 <blue_anna> I need to code it to attach in place of elf sometimes
11:25:44 <blue_anna> and I need to debug the save file problem
11:26:12 <blue_anna> they forced a broken enum on me and ever since the save files write out corrupt
11:28:39 <dpeg> blue_anna: the point is that others can help if you let them.
11:28:50 <dpeg> Don't be stingy (with code or ideas). :)
11:29:33 <blue_anna> its out there man .. I keep rebasing the code for everyone so if they wanted all they have to do is download it and make it, and it will generate up to date with trunk
11:30:03 <dpeg> whenever your branch hits trunk, there will be changes -- this is inevitable (all my designs have been modified, always)
11:30:14 <blue_anna> ooh
11:30:20 <blue_anna> why did I think you didnt code?
11:30:42 <dpeg> David        ploog
11:30:48 <dpeg> (son again)
11:30:59 <dpeg> blue_anna: oh, I don't.
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11:31:25 <dpeg> But I have made many, many proposals/designs (SHoals branch, Lugonu, Beogh and tons of others) and they're always tweaked.
11:31:56 <dpeg> blue_anna: The bit about sharing referred more to your designs than to your code. We had the impression you would be angry if we change things.
11:32:25 <blue_anna> :P jesus
11:32:33 <blue_anna> I dont mind .. change it!
11:32:39 <dpeg> Cool :)
11:32:49 <dpeg> đŋjĸ”─jktghiez8a79r645z894a68 g63PI
11:32:58 <dpeg> (son regressing :)
11:33:08 <blue_anna> thats an interesting cahracter set on your keyboard
11:33:37 <blue_anna> do you work with phonetics?
11:33:38 <dpeg> æðđŋħł€¶ŧ←↓→øþ
11:33:44 <dpeg> No, that was an accident.
11:34:01 <blue_anna> aha
11:34:03 <dpeg> I am just a mathematician.
11:34:06 <blue_anna> well, I'll let you two play :)
11:34:07 <blue_anna> ciao
11:34:16 <blue_anna> or uh, salut :)
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11:36:10 <dpeg> ølrz6u9045w7rtzu85ip97euz8ireszuj9qp3ezu3406ßuz349a67zu49p4ea674076jrioteu4tirezuzzzrzttthtutzik
11:36:13 <dpeg> z5erjzoi5zu35ui5ehzi6
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11:39:38 <Ashenzari> no multi-colored walls in Elf (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2608) by Lemuel
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11:40:15 <bmh> hey dev
11:40:18 <dpeg> Hi!
11:40:42 <bmh> dpeg: I'm in London! I've followed you back across the ocean ;-)
11:40:59 <dpeg> bmh: Do you like it in Europe?
11:41:11 <dpeg> !tell bmh Has finally embraced civilisation.-
11:41:11 <Henzell> dpeg: OK, I'll let bmh know.
11:41:19 <dpeg> !learn add bmh Has finally embraced civilisation.
11:41:19 <Henzell> bmh[1/1]: Has finally embraced civilisation.
11:41:37 <bmh> My allergies have more or less entirely cleared up
11:41:37 <Henzell> bmh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:41:45 <dpeg> sorry for the !tell
11:41:45 <bmh> !messages
11:41:46 <Henzell> (1/1) dpeg said (35s ago): Has finally embraced civilisation.-
11:41:52 <bmh> mhmm
11:43:01 <bmh> it's also really easy to deal with stuff going on on the east coast because of the time difference
11:43:47 <bmh> anyway, crawl -- has there been discussion relating to friendly/neutral Uniques?
11:45:03 <monky> I think Straydusk or someone proposed a friendly unique on the wiki somewhere
11:45:42 <monky> to couple with a fancy dragon unique
11:47:52 <bmh> I was thinking that it might be fun to have a hilariously out-of-their-level group of friendly uniques
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12:44:02 <dpeg> back
12:44:38 <Adeon> front
12:44:41 <dpeg> "tell bmh Sorry, was called for dinner. Anyway, there is a new Zot vault with lots of neutral draconians :)
12:44:43 <blue_anna> side
12:49:30 <ortoslon> finally!
12:49:33 <ortoslon> died to a kraken
12:49:56 <ortoslon> now that this is out of the way, will beat the game next time
12:51:02 <dpeg> The discussions on ##crawl are so ... silly.
12:51:11 <dpeg> Don't have time to participate.
12:55:22 <Zaba> dpeg, what discussion are you referring to?
13:02:49 <CIA-81> 03dolorous * rff4bfaa76643 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.h: Typo fix.
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13:09:22 <Mu_> wat
13:09:40 <Mu_> whoops wrong channel !!
13:10:08 <blue_anna> !send kilobyte next time you see me please message me about the savefile fixes? thanks
13:10:08 <Henzell> Sending next time you see me please message me about the savefile fixes? thanks to kilobyte.
13:20:35 <kilobyte_> blue_anna: meow?
13:20:52 <blue_anna> oi, hallo there thanks for paging
13:21:45 <blue_anna> kilobyte_, I have not had save compatibility in my branch since the savefile changes.. Ive done a lot of work to ensure my cde is sound, outside of stripping the enums one by one checking, Im at a loss
13:21:49 <blue_anna> is there a better way?
13:22:31 <blue_anna> "have not had" -- sorry, english is no longer my primary language :P
13:23:44 <kilobyte_> among your changes, the only ones I think look like affecting save compat are indeed enums, and with the mismatch you mentioned earlier, it's likely it's just that
13:24:46 <blue_anna> yeah, I dont know what it is really
13:25:01 <blue_anna> I get the same error even when there is no savefile, just a game that I quit last
13:25:08 <blue_anna> like I think thats the preferences file
13:25:20 <blue_anna> the one where it saves the name you used last
13:25:25 <blue_anna> if I change my name, the game plays
13:26:16 <blue_anna> hmm, well I jsut verified, thats not always the case
13:26:29 <blue_anna> earlier today that is what happened
13:26:54 <kilobyte_> is the incompatibility between master and your current version, or between different of your versions?
13:27:11 <blue_anna> its between my current version and itself
13:27:29 <kilobyte_> ah, fun stuff
13:27:43 <kilobyte_> so that's not an enum, as it definitely doesn't change
13:28:15 <kilobyte_> does this problem show up in the version on git?
13:28:18 <blue_anna> here's the steps: 1. build the dhfh branch off git. 2. rm -rf ~/.crawl/save 3. play a game, and save. 4. restart crawl.
13:29:17 <blue_anna> I get "save file corrupted -- invalid offset" on step 4
13:29:43 <blue_anna> thats a seek error in package.cc
13:30:54 <kilobyte_> well, that shouldn't ever happen, since the save format part is self-contained and shouldn't be affected by modifications to other parts of Crawl
13:31:16 <blue_anna> qq
13:31:24 <kilobyte_> I mean, data inside particular chunks can be corrupt, but not the "filesystem" itself
13:31:57 <blue_anna> I wonder if the save is erroring out silently?
13:32:19 <blue_anna> yea you know what. I think it is
13:32:38 <blue_anna> I noticed this, even working directly off of trunk without modifications back before 0.8
13:32:50 <blue_anna> there isnt actually a save game in the saved games section
13:32:59 <kilobyte_> any bug in the save filesystem is something I would really like to know about
13:33:24 <blue_anna> it just has my name and, before this error, it used to let me select the race, class .. if they were the same as the last game, it would load that game instead of starting a new one
13:33:32 <kilobyte_> starting a game, saving and loading seems to work
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13:34:12 <kilobyte> could you toss that corrupted save my way?
13:34:18 <blue_anna> sure
13:34:38 <blue_anna> its the .cs file?
13:34:49 <kilobyte> yeah
13:37:35 <blue_anna> http://www.4shared.com/file/FVcTZEkN/asd-1000.html
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13:41:42 <dpeg> Zaba: the one about Maxwell's Hamme spell
13:42:57 <blue_anna> if we're changing things as far-scoped as monster/player speed synchronization, we should fix the experience deligation for spells too
13:44:27 <blue_anna> just reading the 0.8 plan :0
13:44:29 <blue_anna> * :)
13:44:40 <kilobyte> blue_anna: are you, by chance, on a big endian system?
13:44:46 <blue_anna> yes
13:44:51 <kilobyte> gotcha
13:44:59 <kilobyte> the bug is in my code
13:45:11 <blue_anna> wow its endianness ? :D
13:45:20 <blue_anna> that would get anybody
13:45:24 <blue_anna> :)
13:45:44 <kilobyte> I never tested this stuff on big endian (I have no such machine)
13:45:59 <kilobyte> so indeed, regular unmodified Crawl will fail for you too
13:46:26 <blue_anna> I never tested that .. I just assumed it was my problem :D
13:46:34 <kilobyte> sorry :p
13:46:45 <blue_anna> thank you so much kilo -- I was running out of things to do
13:46:50 <kilobyte> but thanks for being the guinea pig who found out the bug for us!
13:46:51 <blue_anna> noo, Im happy
13:46:53 <blue_anna> you found it :)
13:47:01 <blue_anna> nps
13:47:09 <dpeg> the Endian guinea pig :)
13:47:34 <kilobyte> without you, it would be some poor sod, perhaps using a stable version of a distribution that would not get the fix in a couple of years
13:47:38 <blue_anna> !learn add blue\_anna <dpeg> the Endian guinea pig :)
13:47:38 <Henzell> Syntax is: !learn add TERM TEXT
13:47:54 <blue_anna> darn :)
13:48:06 <Zannick> don't use the \
13:48:12 <dpeg> !learn add blue_anna <dpeg> the Endian guinea pig :)
13:48:12 <Henzell> blue anna[1/1]: <dpeg> the Endian guinea pig :)
13:48:22 <blue_anna> ha! cool :)
13:49:11 <CIA-81> 03dolorous * r2f6f7b8e7846 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ability.txt: Remove unused "Gate Yourself to Pandemonium" ability description.
13:50:05 <dpeg> blue_anna: what's your remark on the 0.8 wiki page about?
13:50:35 <blue_anna> dpeg, the summons cap?
13:51:01 <blue_anna> I like to play summoners specifically for their ability to spam an army of ants when all else fails
13:51:18 <blue_anna> ants == miniscule, almost useless things
13:52:08 <blue_anna> I am against the summons cap, thats all that I meant. I'll change it
13:52:14 <monky> ants?
13:52:32 <dpeg> blue_anna: a) a comment is valid, but should contain more than a plain "(don't) like it" (which in your case is even hard to decipher :) and b), it should go to the summons wiki page
13:52:43 <dpeg> I will remove that comment and instead add the dwarf branch, ok?
13:53:19 <blue_anna> dpeg, what?
13:53:27 <kilobyte> butterflies can be nasty on our servers, but it's the only spell capable of that
13:53:28 <blue_anna> but its not about the dwarf hall
13:53:42 <dpeg> blue_anna: I will remove yoru comment from the 0.8 agenda page and add "add deep dwarf branch" instead.
13:53:44 <blue_anna> dpeg, let me move it please?
13:53:59 <blue_anna> I'll add the summons wiki page as a link on the 0.8 plan there, while Im at it
13:55:20 <dpeg> blue_anna: that is a good idea
13:55:41 <dpeg> go ahead
13:59:57 <dpeg> blue_anna: the problem is that many summons are always problematic
14:00:04 <dpeg> not just on the interface, but mostly on balance
14:01:23 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * re599d7c2c214 10/crawl-ref/source/package.cc: Fix saves on big-endian systems.
14:01:51 <kilobyte> blue_anna: when I tried building a cross-compiling toolchain, I had problems, and compiling Crawl in qemu-powerpc takes ~8 hours
14:02:06 <kilobyte> blue_anna: so this commit is untested.  Would you be kind enough to test it for me?
14:02:15 <blue_anna> sure :) I can't wait
14:02:38 <blue_anna> rebasing now
14:02:41 <kilobyte> it's not compatible with your current save, as the bug was on writing not reading
14:03:12 <blue_anna> ok I deleted the save dir and Im making now :)
14:03:35 <blue_anna> dpeg, I wrote in my change on the summons section of 0.8 page
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14:06:17 <blue_anna> dpeg, hey, dwarf hall is in 0.8 plan now :D
14:06:42 <dpeg> :)
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14:10:43 <blue_anna> kilobyte, �xito!
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14:24:51 <kilobyte> blue_anna: sorry, no habla espanol
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14:25:08 <blue_anna> success
14:25:19 <kilobyte> cool!
14:25:23 <blue_anna> :)
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14:45:49 <kilobyte> +@Pronoun@ asks, "Hey baby... you got any diseases? Want some?"
14:45:50 <kilobyte> heh
14:46:29 <dpeg> Whose speech?
14:48:54 <blue_anna> :P mine I think
14:49:01 <blue_anna> what as that for?
14:49:23 <blue_anna> oooh yea, thats a fill-in for speech text when ring of charms converts someone to your ally
14:50:36 <blue_anna> how can I cehck if the player is at , say, Elf:4, in the des?
14:51:13 <blue_anna> you.branch == "Elf" and ??
14:53:25 <Eronarn> so, holy word is still doing basically negligible damage...
14:54:14 <blue_anna> which holy word is this? the scroll
15:03:06 <Eronarn> yeah
15:05:37 <blue_anna> in the code, when a player invokes it, it should do 0 to half your health damage to you, and std::min(300,100) to everyone else
15:05:59 <blue_anna> I dont know that code so, not sure what std::min(300,100) is
15:06:35 <MarvinPA> i think it stuns things a bit as well? or maybe even actually paralyses?
15:06:38 <kilobyte> that sounds redundant, std::min(300,100) is 100
15:07:08 <blue_anna> my bad, I mispread it
15:07:29 <blue_anna> thats just how it finds power. its pow = std::min(300,pow)
15:07:38 <blue_anna> and on a scroll power = 100
15:08:07 <blue_anna> for each creature it does "        hploss = std::max(0, mons->hit_points / 2 - 1);"
15:08:16 <blue_anna> which is halftheir health
15:08:19 <blue_anna> 0 to half
15:09:26 <kilobyte> ah, so that's just a remnant of the times it was an ability
15:09:38 <kilobyte> I kind of vaguely recall that Sanctuary may still do that
15:10:18 <blue_anna> you know
15:10:24 <blue_anna> I misread it too.. sorry guys
15:10:33 <blue_anna> thats what happens when the user is a monster, instead of the player
15:10:33 <kilobyte> with power = 100 too, though
15:10:44 <blue_anna> the regular damage is actually the last case
15:10:51 <blue_anna> hploss = roll_dice(3, 15) + (random2(pow) / 3);
15:10:58 <blue_anna> where pow will be 100 from a scroll
15:11:47 <blue_anna> so 0-33 + 3d15, I think?
15:13:19 <kilobyte> oh, monsters can use holy word now
15:13:48 <kilobyte> due's guilty of that... not from scrolls, as a spell only
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15:21:27 <blue_anna> that should average 55 damage to each creature
15:21:53 <blue_anna> and it is applied without regard to any resistances
15:22:05 <blue_anna> except for deep dwarf damage reduction :P
15:22:16 <blue_anna> on my branch
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15:38:06 <kilobyte> blue_anna: is your ring of charms supposed to work on those of the same race, or genus?  Because currently it works for halflings on humans, for dwarves on DDs, for ghouls on rotting hulks...
15:38:50 <blue_anna> ghouls on rotting hulks huh? thats wrong
15:39:01 <blue_anna> kilobyte, what did I do, mon->genus?
15:39:18 <kilobyte> yeah
15:39:32 <kilobyte> is_player_same_species() would be enough
15:39:42 <blue_anna> I dont mind if deep dwarfs get picked up with dwarfs, or all elves get picked up together.. but I do mind if ghouls get rotting hulks :P
15:39:46 <kilobyte> it has specific checks for cases such as ghouls
15:39:49 <blue_anna> kilobyte, ooh, thanks
15:40:25 <kilobyte> for the 2nd argument, it's enough to pass true as well -- transform will be ignored if not appropriate
15:41:05 <blue_anna> kilobyte, so I should check is_player_same_species(mon, true) ?
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15:42:37 <kilobyte> just pause a bit
15:42:42 <blue_anna> anyone know how I can get random shrubs in a des?
15:43:01 <dpeg> shrubs?
15:43:23 <blue_anna> like the strawberry plant or the bush or .. all thouse different .. I suppose they are features?
15:44:32 <dpeg> there is no strawberry plant :)
15:44:51 <blue_anna> :o its a des fudge in lair? cool, Ill look that up
15:45:19 <dpeg> yes, it is
15:59:40 <kilobyte> blue_anna: I massaged the code of the ring of charms to our standards, but there are two issues.
16:00:01 <blue_anna> kilobyte, ?
16:00:09 <blue_anna> cool -- thanks btw
16:00:26 <kilobyte> 1. are transforms really supposed to work?  That would allow liches to be charmed if you cast Necromutation, or dragons in Dragon Form.
16:00:48 <kilobyte> except for issue 2., which is:
16:01:27 <kilobyte> the formula makes it impossible to charm most monsters.  For example, even base merfolk are HD 9.
16:01:50 <blue_anna> kilobyte, its been a long time .. that was my first patch
16:01:59 <blue_anna> what does the HD have to do with the chance?
16:02:06 <blue_anna> I thought it was relativeto your lvl
16:02:27 <kilobyte> random2(4 + xl/3) > random2(hd) + hd + random2(5)
16:03:21 <blue_anna> ok so 1d9-1 + 9 + 1d5-1 = 15 on average
16:04:01 <kilobyte> oh, with xl 27 it is actually possible to charm merfolks... but in my tests, a full LOS of them didn't get even one
16:04:23 <blue_anna> hmm
16:04:32 <blue_anna> well the test I did was admitedly with kobolds
16:04:36 <blue_anna> they are a lot lower levle :)
16:04:50 <blue_anna> but I _did_ want it to be less a chance than Beogh gives
16:05:13 <blue_anna> I suppose I really want a formula like:
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16:05:50 <blue_anna> rand( (rand(xl) - rand(hd)) * fudge_factor )
16:06:08 <kilobyte> @??green draconian
16:06:08 <Gretell> green draconian (03d) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 81-112 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Damage: 20 | Flags: cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(37), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison+contam | XP: 1599 | Sp: poisonous cloud (3d9).
16:06:11 <kilobyte> @??spriggan
16:06:11 <Gretell> spriggan (15i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 7 | Health: 15-27 | AC/EV: 1/20 | Damage: 10 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(65) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 305.
16:06:11 <blue_anna> so that gives you a nil chance if your xl is less than their hd
16:06:14 <kilobyte> @??centaur
16:06:14 <Gretell> centaur (07c) | Speed: 15 | HD: 4 | Health: 12-32 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Damage: 10 | Res: 06magic(16) | XP: 112.
16:06:24 <kilobyte> @??merfolk
16:06:24 <Gretell> merfolk (02m) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 9 | Health: 23-52 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Damage: 18 | Flags: amphibious | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 187.
16:07:48 <kilobyte> @??deep elf fighter
16:07:48 <Gretell> deep elf fighter (04e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 6 | Health: 18-35 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Damage: 9 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(48) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 174 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d6), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) / throw frost (3d6), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d6), magic dart (3d4), invisibility.
16:08:12 <kilobyte> @??lich
16:08:12 <Gretell> lich (15L) | Speed: 10 | HD: 20 | Health: 57-97 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Damage: 1513(drain) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(293), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 3413 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), animate dead, summon undead, throw frost (3d11), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.dr..
16:08:54 <blue_anna> you should have to always be at least lvl 20 to charm a lich :P
16:09:05 <blue_anna> there's an argument that maybe it should not work for undead, I guess..
16:09:15 <kilobyte> @??vampire
16:09:16 <Gretell> vampire (05V) | Speed: 10 | HD: 6 | Health: 20-47 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Damage: 7, 1505(vampiric) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold, 03poison | XP: 213 | Sp: vampire summon, confuse, invisibility.
16:09:45 <kilobyte> at least vampires and ghouls seem ok to me...
16:10:08 <kilobyte> perhaps even mummies, if the chance is miniscule for priests/greaters
16:11:55 <blue_anna> I'd rather leave it either wide open or close it entirely based on an undead's likely inability to be charmed
16:14:58 <kilobyte> @??orc sorcerer
16:14:58 <Gretell> orc sorcerer (13o) | Speed: 10 | HD: 9 | Health: 22-41 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Damage: 7 | Flags: evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(36), 05fire | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 626 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), b.draining (3d14), demon, paralyse, animate dead, teleport self.
16:16:01 <kilobyte> ah, Beogh gets a large term dependant on piety, of up to 13
16:17:30 <doy> intelligent undead seem fine
16:17:30 <blue_anna> kilobyte, but its otherwise the same?
16:17:38 <doy> but i wouldn't allow forms to affect it
16:18:29 <blue_anna> alright, I'll add a check against undead and forms then
16:18:50 <doy> add a check against intelligence, not undead
16:19:19 <doy> shouldn't work on I_ANIMAL or below
16:19:39 <blue_anna> doy, can you play an L_ANIMAL or below?
16:19:40 <kilobyte> blue_anna: lemme push so we edit the same code
16:20:01 <blue_anna> kilobyte, thats fine .. I dont think I need to grant you access, its an open project
16:20:10 <kilobyte> just deleting the relevant commits before rebasing should ease that
16:20:15 <CIA-81> 03roberto.tomas.cuentas * r49321baaea38 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Add blue-anna's ring of charms.
16:20:15 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * rb57a0c08e734 10/crawl-ref/source/ (artefact.cc describe.cc enum.h): Don't add an unused ARTP for the ring of charms, no other fixedart does this.
16:20:15 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * r874b0d4e2fb8 10/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt: Give the ring of charms a more thematic (but not as informative) description.
16:20:15 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * r54a8d98ba0de 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Add a comment about unobvious cases of species being considered the same.
16:20:28 <blue_anna> kilobyte, wow you added it to trunk?
16:20:31 <kilobyte> since they don't exactly match due to whitespace and formatting being different
16:21:13 <kilobyte> yeah, it's not that disputable...
16:21:43 <kilobyte> there are concerns raised against that casket of three fates
16:22:22 <kilobyte> but the ring of charms... the questions are about balance, not "is this a good idea"
16:23:19 <kilobyte> (about deleting commits: "git reflog" is a great tool if you didn't have an old version somehow marked)
16:26:15 <kilobyte> you'd want "git fetch sf", "git rebase -i sf/master"
16:27:45 <blue_anna> fatal: 'sf' does not appear to be a git repository
16:28:03 <blue_anna> is it in trunk or a branch?
16:28:11 <blue_anna> that looks like trunk
16:28:56 <kilobyte> could you do "git remote" to check how SourceForge is called on your tree?
16:29:52 <blue_anna> github
16:29:52 <blue_anna> origin
16:30:01 <kilobyte> ah, so it's "origin"
16:30:22 <blue_anna> yea okay so then I should just do git pull --rebase
16:32:51 <kilobyte> it won't let you delete commits, and they would cause painful merging
16:35:14 <blue_anna> kilobyte, Im sorry, Im confused. what do you want me to do exactly?
16:39:43 <kilobyte> I just suggested a way to avoid major work when rebasing
16:40:19 <kilobyte> a single command, deletion a few lines then merging a single commit that did touch both the ring and something else
16:41:05 <kilobyte> if you have problems, I tested this and have a rebased branch
16:43:08 <blue_anna> kilobyte, oh I see, so I should delete the ring of charms from the rebase list?
16:43:32 <blue_anna> I was looking for this screen earlier, thank you! :)
16:47:36 <blue_anna> I.. guess Im not doing it now. Im not wanting to put my fork out of synch because I screwed up something that was supposed to be simple
16:51:23 <kilobyte> could you then "git remote add angband http://angband.pl/git/crawl"; "git fetch angband"?
16:52:00 <kilobyte> then "git diff angband/blue" to review my changes, to see if there is anything you don't agree with
16:53:10 <blue_anna> is angband a dungeon crawl variant?
16:53:13 <kilobyte> if you're satisfied, you can then "git reset --hard angband/blue" to use my rebasing (it's identical to what you pushed to github except for replacing the ring of charms code with the version in trunk)
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16:53:27 <kilobyte> uhm no, it's my personal domain name
16:53:44 <kilobyte> unrelated to Angband the scumming-for-months game
16:54:00 <blue_anna> alright, I'll copy and paste these :) thanks
16:54:02 <blue_anna> hope this works
16:54:18 <kilobyte> rather, it came from towers.angband.com, a game I spent a good part of my life on
16:54:50 <kilobyte> did you commit anything that's not on github yet?
16:55:15 <blue_anna> nah really, Iam writing some shubbery in variable/mini_features.des
16:55:20 <blue_anna> :)
16:55:39 <blue_anna> ** nah not really
16:55:59 <kilobyte> you can use cherry-pick to copy a single commit over
16:56:25 <blue_anna> does fetch normally produce output right away?
16:56:28 <blue_anna> kinda looks frozen
16:59:09 <kilobyte> it's probably copying my ancient pre-git repository, it's not hash compatible with the official one
16:59:12 <blue_anna> ooh it grabbed it :)
17:00:16 <blue_anna> cool description :)
17:03:17 <blue_anna> what did you do, convert all my tabs to spaces? I was going to write a little ruby script to do that :)
17:03:22 <blue_anna> sorry about that
17:04:57 <blue_anna> why did you get rid of the Charm brand descriptor?
17:05:06 <blue_anna> ARTP_CHARM
17:05:30 <blue_anna> if you dont have it, the ring will look like this: ring of Charms {Stealth-} instead of this ring of Charms {Charm, Stealth-}
17:08:37 <doy> blue_anna: {Charm} is kinda implied by "ring of Charms" though
17:08:40 <kilobyte> as I mentioned in the commit message, other fixedarts don't do this, and the method used would really bloat the artifact property array
17:10:10 <kilobyte> if we want this, it could be done for example by having a single field for the autoinscription desc
17:10:51 <blue_anna> well, I thought about that. I kinda figure if an item has a {props} list, it should list all its properties there.  do other fixedarts implement special game mechanics silently though? whats another example?
17:11:07 <kilobyte> as doy says, it's kind of already mentioned in the name -- but, unspoiled players may think it's just a randart
17:11:43 <doy> sword of power, for instance
17:11:59 <doy> although that one's a bit more obvious
17:12:42 <doy> sceptre of torment
17:12:53 <doy> sword of zonguldruk
17:12:54 <doy> etc
17:13:17 <kilobyte> for those where the power is not mentioned at all: Wrath of Trog, Staff of Olgreb, Wucad Mu, Vampire's Tooth's superiority over normal vamp, ...
17:15:17 <by> we could make them not get an autoinscription at all
17:15:35 <kilobyte> idea: what about adding "*" to the inscription?  It's redundant to copy a part of the name.
17:15:57 <kilobyte> the "special" flag is currently unused, right?
17:16:48 <blue_anna> how do I generate these items?
17:17:03 <blue_anna> I tried wucad mu, staff of wucad mu ...
17:17:10 <blue_anna> sceptre of torment ..
17:17:12 <doy> try just wucad
17:17:20 <doy> it might require underscores instead of spaces
17:17:49 <blue_anna> oo its a staff staff, not a magical staff
17:18:04 <blue_anna> yea the staff of wucad mu doesnt say a thing
17:18:19 <blue_anna> looks like a +0/+0 randart staff of nada
17:18:22 <blue_anna> :P
17:19:10 <kilobyte> it should say "worse and deadlier than the Robe of Misfortune" :p
17:19:22 <blue_anna> okay well, I see your point
17:19:37 <blue_anna> I kinda feel like all those items should get some sort of artp_
17:20:10 <blue_anna> vamp for vampire"s tooth, maybe Evok ? Channel -- or something for wucad
17:20:22 <blue_anna> but it definitely, surely makes more sense to just change mine :D
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17:22:54 <kilobyte> Evok sounds good
17:25:00 <blue_anna> kilobyte, thank you -- ring of charms on github:dhfh is up to date with your changes
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17:27:59 <kilobyte> blue_anna: cool!
17:32:22 <blue_anna> why do lemosn give the same nutritional as oranges?
17:32:27 <blue_anna> they're like half the size
17:32:40 <by> geryon should get af_trample
17:35:19 <dpeg> by: good idea, just add it. No controversy imo.
17:35:59 <doy> sounds reasonable to me
17:46:50 <blue_anna> I'd like to make these maps available globally, not just for my dwarf hall -- should I place any additional sections or tags in them? http://nopaste.dk/p2442
17:49:57 <kilobyte> we usually put this kind of stuff on Mantis until dpeg reviews and commits them
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18:27:16 <Eronarn> Your skin crawls. Tentacles burst out of the water!
18:27:17 <Eronarn> The tentacle falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.
18:27:37 <casmith789> nice bug
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18:27:52 <blue_anna> how do you add a name adjective to a monster?
18:28:02 <blue_anna> I want to make a unique named Paracelsus the alchemist
18:28:37 <blue_anna> where it only shows "Paracelsus hits you" instead of the full title. ... I know how to do it in the des, it just struck me that it should probably be a part of the actual creature
18:52:47 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * r6ed97a1bdf4b 10/crawl-ref/source/attitude-change.cc: Ring of charms: disallow transforms, try another formula for success.
18:52:48 <CIA-81> 03kilobyte * re126ccb6d02d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Replace a couple of inappropriate speeches for charmed mons.
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18:58:47 <CIA-81> 03dpeg * r5e27a861066a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/entry_twisted.des: Repair dpeg_entry_water_fire in entry_twisted (CoreXii), fixing #2600.
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19:45:11 <Eronarn> why does casting blink let you abort when you're wearing stasis, but quaffing haste doesn't?
19:45:33 <doy> i think that's already been reported
19:46:21 <due> yes, Iimplemented holyword asa monster spell.
19:47:33 <doy> dueis alsohavingproblems with hisspace bar
19:48:09 <due> yes, intermitte...ant or however you spell it
19:51:00 <Eronarn> also, random thought: it'd be cool if apportation let you grab things directly into the wielded slot, if you aren't wielding anything
19:57:10 <blue_anna> due take it off and clean it
19:58:14 <blue_anna> Eronarn, thats a cool idea
19:59:29 <due> blue_anna: Done it too many times.
20:00:20 <Eronarn> it'd be paving the way for baleful apportation, too!
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20:27:11 <Eronarn> is it intentional that stasis doesn't block golubria
20:44:51 <due> I thin kso?
20:44:53 <due> Or an oversight.
21:12:47 <blue_anna> it seems like in the des files "potions of water" or "any potion" are generating deep water
21:13:05 <blue_anna> not always for any potion .. just if water would have come up I guess
21:13:24 <due> That's odd.
21:14:17 <blue_anna> no its some weird bug in my des file .. I was just skipping debugging it
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22:05:25 <Eronarn> ...mennas can spawn in blade? D:
22:06:01 <due> Probably
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22:51:02 <CIA-81> 03dolorous * r23561d3abf1d 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Remove unneeded blank line.
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23:03:14 <Ashenzari> Kirke awkwardly described as "It is missile deflection." (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2609) by Twilight
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23:27:56 <Eronarn> my vault 8 had a book shop in the treasure chamber
23:27:59 <Eronarn> not sure if this is intentional
23:28:09 <monky> I've seen that happen before
23:35:57 <due> it's intentional
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23:48:29 <CIA-81> 03dolorous * rf02de604f2ac 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc abl-show.h): Use ability_name() everywhere instead of reading talent names directly.
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