00:20:29 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:21:40 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:25:11 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:27:26 -!- slyshy has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:35:42 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:58 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:01:37 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:53 -!- evilmike has quit [] 01:07:22 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:15:29 -!- JamezQ has left ##crawl-dev 01:17:31 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:50 -!- Iainuki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35:04 -!- Iainuki has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:06 In theory, Dispersal is broken; a request to change this (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2437) by MrMisterMonkey 04:20:40 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:14 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:46 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:21 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:41:53 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:46 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 06:05:54 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:37 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:10 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:22 Cheers 06:37:22 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:37:25 !messages 06:37:25 (1/1) Cryp71c said (19h 42m 55s ago): I can't remember if I did it intentionally...I did get them a while back in a game and didn't think much of it...so, probably? They're obviously quite powerful, but since hardly anyone will ever get to level 3 of the mutation randomly, It may not be a big deal. 06:37:42 uh, I forgot the question :) 06:38:11 Ah, I recall. 06:39:06 !msg Crpy71c I believe the point is that the _DS_ mutation feels less special if any old guy can obtain it. This is not so much a question of balance, more a question of flavour. I guess I don't care too much either way, so let's everything like it is, for now. 06:39:11 !tell Crpy71c I believe the point is that the _DS_ mutation feels less special if any old guy can obtain it. This is not so much a question of balance, more a question of flavour. I guess I don't care too much either way, so let's everything like it is, for now. 06:39:11 dpeg: OK, I'll let Crpy71c know. 06:40:21 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:36 !seen Keskitalo 06:56:36 I last saw Keskitalo at Tue Aug 31 21:48:00 2010 UTC (1d 14h 8m 36s ago) saying ~/win 3 on ##crawl. 07:05:41 03kilobyte * r4e15903fb004 10/crawl-ref/source/stuff.cc: Fix a harmless memory leak, to reduce valgrind spam. 07:05:42 03kilobyte * rd38f0bddf944 10/crawl-ref/source/misc/valgrind-suppress.txt: Suppress an O(1) memory leak in glibc. 07:06:22 dpeg: compare this: 07:06:29 !lg * t win s=char 07:06:29 321 games for * (t win): 49x SpEn, 23x DDNe, 22x MfCr, 18x GhFE, 18x HaTm, 17x SEAs, 9x MfIE, 7x HEWz, 7x HaBe, 6x HECr, 5x DDCK, 4x DSNe, 4x HEIE, 4x MfTm, 4x DECj, 4x SpVM, 3x MDEn, 3x DSAs, 3x HEFE, 3x SEIE, 3x DEWz, 3x SpSt, 3x DSBe, 3x DSVM, 3x KoCr, 2x DGRe, 2x MDFi, 2x DSIE, 2x NaIE, 2x MfFE, 2x MfCK, 2x KoBe, 2x NaPr, 2x DEIE, 2x TrAE, 2x OgHu, 2x NaWz, 2x DSMo, 2x DSWz, 2x DSFi, 2x DEFE, ... 07:06:42 !lg * t win class!=en s=char 07:06:42 268 games for * (t win class!=en): 23x DDNe, 22x MfCr, 18x GhFE, 18x HaTm, 17x SEAs, 9x MfIE, 7x HaBe, 7x HEWz, 6x HECr, 5x DDCK, 4x HEIE, 4x SpVM, 4x MfTm, 4x DSNe, 4x DECj, 3x DSVM, 3x DEWz, 3x DSAs, 3x DSBe, 3x SEIE, 3x HEFE, 3x SpSt, 3x KoCr, 2x NaIE, 2x DGRe, 2x MfCK, 2x DSWz, 2x DSIE, 2x NaFE, 2x KoBe, 2x DSFi, 2x DEIE, 2x NaPr, 2x NaWz, 2x TrAE, 2x DSMo, 2x DEFE, 2x OgHu, 2x MfFE, 2x MDFi, ... 07:06:53 er, sorry, I meant: 07:06:57 !lg * t win s=race 07:06:57 321 games for * (t win): 59x Spriggan, 44x Merfolk, 32x Deep Dwarf, 28x Halfling, 25x Demonspawn, 23x Sludge Elf, 23x High Elf, 18x Ghoul, 12x Deep Elf, 9x Naga, 6x Kobold, 6x Mountain Dwarf, 6x Kenku, 5x Troll, 5x Ogre, 5x Demigod, 4x Hill Orc, 2x Vampire, 2x Centaur, 2x Mummy, 2x Minotaur, 1x Human, 1x Mottled Draconian, 1x Black Draconian 07:07:01 !lg * t win class!=en s=race 07:07:01 268 games for * (t win class!=en): 44x Merfolk, 32x Deep Dwarf, 28x Halfling, 25x Demonspawn, 23x Sludge Elf, 23x High Elf, 18x Ghoul, 12x Deep Elf, 10x Spriggan, 9x Naga, 6x Kenku, 6x Kobold, 5x Ogre, 5x Troll, 4x Hill Orc, 4x Demigod, 3x Mountain Dwarf, 2x Vampire, 2x Minotaur, 2x Centaur, 2x Mummy, 1x Human, 1x Mottled Draconian, 1x Black Draconian 07:07:28 so it looks like the problem is not related to spriggans, but lies squarely on the enchanter side 07:07:34 yes 07:07:42 Well, Enchantments + EV, perhaps 07:07:53 One more reason to nerf Enchantments for 0.8. 07:08:49 I thought about the proposed split, and there's an issue: all offensive enchantments are useless later on, due to MR 07:09:05 This is a problem on its own, yes. 07:09:14 (Which we can also address for 0.8.) 07:09:15 this wasn't an issue before due to the overpoweredness of other spells of that school 07:09:45 well, it meant that those spells were generally classified as useless or underpowered? 07:10:12 but with the split, we'd end up with Curses being great early on (EH, Confuse, ...), and worthless later 07:11:12 iii 07:11:13 *hiii 07:11:14 First, our choice to make those spells attractive later on (or better, to provide higher level spells that work later on) 07:11:23 dpeg: Do you think we should register as a project on sourceforge? We could take over #dcss. 07:11:29 Second, early power is good on its own right, compare Poison 07:11:41 due: is it easy to do? 07:11:43 it also means we could hand out @dcss/developer/dpeg 07:11:47 er 07:11:50 not sourceforge, freenode 07:11:54 yes 07:11:57 i'm not sure what the process is like 07:18:16 -!- blue_anna has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:21 Gotta go soon. 07:23:54 dpeg: Hi! 07:24:26 Hi! 07:24:31 Rather bye :) 07:24:40 Hehe, bye :) 07:25:23 I started a SpEn (my first) a couple of days ago, it's quite fun (and easy). No runes yet, I guess EH and Confuse are starting to hit their limit soon.. 07:25:46 Keskitalo: WE've just been discussing Ench nerfs (and boosts) ^ 07:25:59 Just chime in :) 07:26:30 Yeah, I kind of wanted to get first-hand experience on the subject. 07:27:22 I suppose I should play a crusader too. :) 07:27:26 dpeg: well, i'll email the other devs if i research some more 07:28:05 due: good! 07:28:46 cheers 07:28:48 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:45:29 I disagree that offensive enchantments are useless later on -- there remain plenty of low-mr threats 07:46:01 and if this makes people invest in say mass confusion, all the better 07:48:49 it's mostly draconians who have MR you can overcome with uncapped spells 07:49:23 you still need Englaciation instead of EH, of course 07:55:41 you have a good chance of plain hibernating a draconian knight 07:55:59 and a better chance of plain confusing it 08:00:38 Passwall should make your evasion and shield value fall to 0 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2438) by ledtim 08:00:46 pff :P 08:02:12 it would be reasonable to have some offensive enchantment that has a chance of working against 1s though 08:03:01 I wonder if there's any point to learning Slow and Petrify with EH and Confuse already learned. (confusing touch looks good though) 08:03:20 hmm, what about that old idea of mine, "Possess Demon"? It was proposed as Summ/Ench since at the time buffing enchantments would be unthinkable, but now it could be pure Hex / Curse / whatever name stays 08:03:55 Passwall should make your evasion and shield value rise to infinite (because if you can pass thorugh a wall other things can pass through you)! 08:04:01 it's about making the demon not only enslaved, but also making you control it directly 08:04:30 so you see the world from its eyes and cursor keys make it move 08:05:42 It would be great to at least see how that would work, sounds very cool potentially 08:07:37 the idea has a problem: what with YOUR body? There are two options: 1. disappearing for the duration (probably too good -> Step From Time), and 2. being helpless (crappy) 08:08:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:33 Helpless sounds like a delicious drawback. 08:09:06 Invis+Confusing Touch <3 08:10:20 I'm thinking about implementing witches at w or W 08:10:35 I've got several different types -- plain, evil, forest, and vanilla 08:10:44 and trollskonor -- a witch married to a troll 08:10:53 anyone have other suggestions? 08:11:17 those are all midlevelish monsters 08:11:30 between ogre and hill giant 08:11:30 wouldn't they be @? 08:11:47 like wizards or hell knights 08:11:49 kilobyte: what about you setting how "deep" you want to be in your trance - the lighter you are the more likely to just wake up, or when any sound is nearby (including a nearby shout or bark) 08:11:53 kilobyte, there's a long-standing concern I was informed of that @ and d are too full to add more 08:12:00 and deep, you are less likely to wake up unless you are actually damaged 08:12:11 both have disadvantages, but give the player another choice 08:12:18 otehrwise dwarves would be d not v 08:12:59 you're looking for enchantment spells that are effective better later game? 08:13:00 both d and v are bad. I've looked at the "v" version and it looks just awful. 08:13:28 I've grown fond of my bright yellow v deep dwarf artificers :) 08:13:33 it's nice if at least the glyph's size and general size makes sense, and v is one of smallest ones, for a not so small creature 08:13:46 while it currently fits vortices just perfectly 08:14:40 well that's .. thats a cool discussion for the wiki page 08:15:29 there are no illusion spells? any reason not to create illusions as player enchantment spells? 08:15:36 illusionary wall -- escape monsters 08:15:43 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 08:15:43 sounds good 08:15:51 illusionary gaurdian - kill monsters with their own fear 08:16:14 illusionary pile o gold -- escape from greedy mosnters 08:16:15 I dunno :P 08:16:48 unused glyphs are just "q" and Q", right? Plus some non-letter ones. 08:16:55 guardian looks more summonish to me 08:17:02 but might be a good Summ/Ench 08:17:20 pile of gold could be just right, since that's a pure illusion 08:17:39 that sounds kinda cheesy but it really is a cool mechanic :) 08:18:27 also you could give a mara-like double as an illusion 08:18:29 a stronger Projected Noise 08:18:44 or just an extra dumb lookalike as a lower-level version 08:19:23 or an illusion of you that runs away 08:19:33 ha! 08:19:46 thats good :) 08:19:55 if they take, it creates distance 08:20:45 Make Cheibriados stat boost tied to speed rather than # of ponderous armor worn (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2439) by ledtim 08:21:48 huldra! I got another witch :) okay, I'm good except maybe the letter -- kilo, do you have any preference about letters for Witch types? 08:23:43 not really 08:24:15 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:30 it can be w then? I'd prefer it since they will be showing up in a branch that already has wraiths and wights and such 08:26:08 worms... 08:27:23 Isn't "witch" a class rather than a race? 08:27:38 what species of witch 08:27:57 yea no they are .. I guess humans 08:28:19 but I have regular witches .. which are mostly different flavors of wizard-classed women 08:28:22 3 of them 08:28:25 and trollskonor 08:28:40 a witch married to a troll, and has spell selection that makes sense 08:28:45 and huldra -- which are like siren 08:28:45 Why not be wizards? 08:29:07 I mean they can be species WIZARD and genus whatever .. 08:29:13 oh, right 08:29:16 I just need the females for my branch :P 08:30:02 its interesting how consistently women sexually dominated men in scandanavian lore 08:30:10 :D 08:30:45 they've got like 4 different types of .. basically sirens, for example 08:31:18 for @, only white, lightgrey, red, magenta and cyan are taken 08:32:35 I'd want 3 more 08:32:41 arent white and lightgrey the same ? 08:33:31 ooh check that out here's already a wizard -- 08:33:41 yea I'll use @ for my witches 08:33:47 they could be pinkish 08:34:04 not on IRGB displays, which are every terminal emulator in existence save for terminal.app and console of certain ancient versions of Red Hat 08:34:04 upsy, I wish we could access the full color range :D 08:34:32 kilobyte, they are still 256 color for any but the most ancient though 08:34:32 what uses magenta? 08:34:43 /etc/X11/rgb.txt colors 08:34:44 upsy: male wizards 08:35:51 reserve @ - brown, green, yellow for me, if you're changing mon-data.h in any pet projects 08:37:13 256 colors support isn't that popular, especially on Windows. 08:38:40 I really would go for Unicode by default, though. Perhaps with a more conservative glyph for walls, though. 08:40:05 I was thinking about that -- about i18n specifically 08:40:30 you could have a config flag to use, say, chinese characters for monsters 08:40:43 except if you actually play in chinese -- then you change it to a different codeblock 08:40:51 the moment I finish up that @#$%^&* save format thing, I'll rewrite the whole charset support 08:41:30 but no, CJK characters are no good except for inscriptions and notes, since they take two character cells 08:43:06 we'd need a major mode kind of like hexcrawl to use those 08:44:59 it could be doable, with the "fullwidth" (double width) ASCII block at U+FF00, but with halved screen width, that's probably not the best idea 08:45:04 the proposed "Possess Demon" could end if you take damage 08:45:36 by: yeah, probably a good idea 09:05:42 That would make popcorn monsters matter. 09:05:44 hexcrawl is interesting 09:06:57 in mon-util there's a note in the code for multiple spellbooks 09:07:29 For consistent behavior in player_will_anger_monster(), all spellbooks a given monster can get here should produce the same return values in the following: is_holy_spell() || is_evil_spell()... etc 09:07:37 line 1540 09:07:55 but monster spells are not player spells 09:08:00 :D 09:10:44 those functions like is_holy_spell all work on player spells 09:11:21 and the enum for SPELL_CORONA from the monster spells is not guaranteed to be the same as the same one for player spells -- I'd assume 09:12:25 I guess Im wrong about that part 09:15:05 Im just going to ignore it I guess -- I dont care if a player would anger my witches based on which book in their spells they have open 09:20:33 monster spells are the same as player spells 09:20:45 :P 09:20:55 well, monster SPELL_ 's might be the same 09:21:02 but the spells themselves certainly are not 09:21:02 as in, they're the same enum 09:21:07 yea 09:21:11 I see that 09:21:40 they aught to be the same .. like in 0.9 09:21:42 but if a spell is implemented as both player and monster spell, it should be the same spell 09:21:55 in what case is it not? 09:22:05 players should have an effectable property that it inherits in common with monsters, and spells should effect that 09:22:38 by there are cases 09:22:50 example? 09:22:55 by if you look in the code its a lot of them, not just a few 09:22:59 by all the summon spells 09:23:02 call imp 09:23:05 summon small mammals 09:23:07 summon swarm 09:23:09 they both call imps 09:23:13 ooh yeah :) 09:23:47 but only the player one is_chaotic_spell() 09:24:23 why? 09:24:54 my bad, they share the same enum so they both do .. 09:25:02 the mechanics are probably slightly different 09:25:03 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:13 but those basically are the same 09:25:27 but they are definitely no bound to be the same .. they are actually the same code or anything 09:25:38 *aren't 09:26:06 my implementation of SPELL_VAMPIRIC_DRAINING goes out of its way to copy the player spell, but still had to fudge 09:26:14 they're not forced to be the same by code, but they are by design I would say 09:26:16 mosnters dont have Necromancy skill 09:26:56 the important part of it for mon-util is that is_xxx_spell() returns the same 09:27:06 which it always will, and aught to -- its good 09:27:33 but like, right now I am writing new monsters and their spellbooks have.. for example (just as a first draft) one spellbook has SPELL_SUNRAY 09:27:56 which is ETC_HOLY and probably is_holy_spell() 09:28:30 -my- monster doesnt care if you're holy or not, it should attack 09:28:59 but depending on which spellbook it has open, if it has SPELL_SUNRAY in it, it will .. I guess possibly be neutral to a holy player 09:29:42 if another monster decides it wants to use my spellbook with SPELL_SUNRAYin it, all their spellbooks should also have the same is_holy, etc results -- that is what the note says in the code 09:29:46 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:56 but I didnt design that into my monster .. and neither need someone later on, using that spellbook 09:30:00 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:18 that is.. a lot of consideration at the programmer's level -- that's why I was confused 09:30:27 still am -- I'm just going to skip it for now :) 09:30:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:34:30 is there a reason why rakshas can see invisible but fake rakshas can't? it makes it trivial to tell the difference by examining them 09:34:48 thats neat to know :) 09:36:09 regular rakshas are silent and fake ones roar, also 09:36:26 although that seems much less exploitable 09:36:45 that all sounds like a bug 09:37:00 want me to send a patch? 09:37:22 sure, that'd be great 09:49:43 03by * r8ace29b2460b 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Simplify shield exercise for unsuccessful beam block. 09:49:43 03by * r75e4154515df 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Make ability skill training more consistent. 09:49:44 03by * r9d1858265519 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-cast.cc spl-cast.h): Remove an unused parameter from exercise_spell(). 09:49:45 03by * r0b6663b00ae6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc actor.h player.cc player.h): Remove actor::exercise. 09:49:51 03by * r4029701003f4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (18 files): Collect calls to exercise() and sort by action instead of skill. 10:00:12 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:18 Make fake rakshas also see invisible (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2440) by kurper 10:03:27 I want to make troll's wives spawn with a troll --for obvious reasons. anyone ever program a BAND_ monster? 10:03:46 :P **write 10:37:13 banded creatures are really the simplest thing 10:44:14 -!- henryci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:06 monsters in mon-data.h have to have different names? 10:47:36 I was going to have forest witches and evil witches and plain witches .. but have the differences be in their gear and spells, not their name 10:49:35 i think they need to have different identifiers but you can have them all display as "witch" ingame, grep that file for rakshasa for an example 10:51:08 Kurper, thanks .. mon-util.cc 10:57:04 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:57:25 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:41 Geryon's horn can be evoked while silenced (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2441) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid 11:16:43 Make draconian monsters able to pick up new equipment (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2442) by ledtim 11:44:19 e - the +12,+10 sword of Jihad {holy, *Rage rN+ MR EV+3 Stlt 4884 gold 11:44:22 damn 11:46:33 another terrible fixedart with *rage :P 11:57:50 are ice statues in some global subvault? 11:58:18 maybe its a bug in my dwarf.des 12:24:06 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:14 Anyone going to do a write-up about the Tourney this year? 12:49:58 is there a way to make secret doors unopenable to creatures? 12:50:06 in a des 12:53:53 my monsters keep finding their way out of their secret vaults before I arrive :P 13:03:08 you need to ask a mask or something on it 13:06:35 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:31 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:22:50 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:27 Quaffing from water fountains should not provide sustenance (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2443) by nrook 13:30:42 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Quit: Computer went to sleep] 13:33:38 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:27 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:03 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:42 AdeonTwo (L27 MuAM) (Tomb:2) 14:14:09 !lm -log 14:14:09 rob, XL14 NaPr, T:39428 (milestone) has no matching game. 14:14:15 !lm * crash -log 14:14:15 111. AdeonTwo, XL27 MuAM, T:186483 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/AdeonTwo/crash-AdeonTwo-20100902-191342.txt 14:15:47 it'd be great if someone could update cdo for the memory leak fixed yesterday -- unfortunately don't have access to the right ssh key myself currently 14:19:08 besides removing the extra 20 nutrition for potions of water (and thus nutrition for water fountains), should the 40 base nutrition for all potions stay? 14:19:21 yes 14:19:30 You mean I don't have to 040qy on any fountain I encounter anymore? 14:19:41 you've never had to 14:19:51 food is not an issue in crawl at all 14:19:59 doy: do you think water fountains should continue to give nutrition? 14:20:05 doy: Tell that to my starved-to-death characters. 14:20:27 by: no real opinion 14:20:35 doy: and why do you think that normal potions should give nutrition? 14:20:48 it seems like an unobvious and useless mechanic 14:21:04 by: because watching whoever that was race back to his food stash quaffing potions of decay to keep him from starving was hilarious 14:21:08 (: 14:21:20 food is only an issue if you have a caster that has low casting growth and cannot find gourmand (and use sif) 14:21:24 or a spriggan 14:22:11 I had some food pressure on a DSPr of Yred early game in the tournament 14:22:16 the only spriggans with food problems are berserkers, they have good enough int and spellcasting apt that spell hunger isn't a real problem 14:22:22 and sever food pressure on a DDBe 14:22:45 ddbe can eat corpses at least 14:22:55 SpBe can run away 14:23:02 that DDBe did eat corpses 14:23:02 although ddbe really needs to be sacrificing corpses, so that's a struggle 14:24:12 berserkers/crusaders have far more food pressure than any caster 14:24:12 food was a terrible issue for my last spellcaster when no enemies left corpses 14:24:34 and even then there is no food trouble after the very early game 14:24:46 and he was xl10 14:25:17 died by collapsing in front of a yak, hoping to kill it and get some food 14:25:20 elliptic: yes 14:25:37 on that note, his ev was 3 when unconscious and his dodging skill went up 14:25:48 heh 14:26:12 oh, xl13, not xl10 14:26:27 !lg * ktyp=starvation s=name 14:26:27 1515 games for * (ktyp=starvation): 74x test, 28x chilliwack, 26x crawlie, 14x Archibald, 12x AuditDaFed, 11x aori, 11x Nexos, 10x Pseudonut, 10x NyaaKitty, 10x sorear, 9x Meow, 9x 78291, 9x KiloByte, 8x cbus, 8x nogglebeak, 8x phyphor, 8x MadDasher, 8x Chog, 8x Mayhem, 7x DashNine, 7x jeykey, 7x crepe, 7x Crackman, 7x Xiberia, 7x bookofjude, 7x magree, 7x redwood, 7x nsdk, 6x adamzap, 6x nil, 6x ... 14:26:41 !lg * ktyp=starvation s=name cv>=0.6 14:26:41 357 games for * (ktyp=starvation cv>=0.6): 35x test, 9x Pseudonut, 6x BlueAnna, 6x Dral, 6x yogidabear, 5x Annaslove, 5x nille, 4x KiloByte, 4x Elbereth, 4x Xiberia, 4x aori, 4x ldlework, 4x Spaghetti, 3x kaakat, 3x chrs, 3x Zeor, 3x bigboss, 3x Vicht, 3x tJener, 3x Gandelf, 3x unpaidbill, 2x erisdiscordia, 2x xyblor, 2x timecircuits, 2x spawt, 2x Serine, 2x LexAckson, 2x Stathol, 2x Nexos, 2x Dis... 14:26:50 so, that counts as a yak kill and not starvation... 14:27:28 but i could have handled the yak if i could have casted spells and/or not fainted 14:27:44 so it really was due to lack of food 14:28:40 yes, food kills are usually indirect 14:29:30 03by * r2c980d25fe42 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use2.cc: Potions of water don't give extra nutrition. Plain fountains give none. (#2443) 14:35:47 I suppose you could have made fountains drain after one use and increased the nutrition value but that's probably better 14:36:49 people are going to be confused, though, since there's no feedback about the change 14:36:55 so are potions of water useless now? 14:37:05 perhaps we should just plain out disable drinking from fountains? 14:37:13 to be fair most people probably didnt even know about the nutrition value 14:37:27 actions that have no effect but wasting a turn are outright useless 14:37:34 yes 14:37:41 drinking from sparkling fountains has a random potion effect 14:38:01 I'd keep it so it's consistant with sparkling fountains, unless you remove that too 14:38:16 drinking dry the elf:7 sparkling fountains is what enables cTele 14:38:24 that's a bug really :P 14:38:32 so that would also have to be changed if drinking from fountains was removed 14:38:35 which is useful for...i guess: xom and scumming for muts 14:39:14 or the hope that it'll cure the poison about to kill you 14:40:00 anyway, drinking from fountains should be kept for flavor 14:40:07 and curing rotting, since the most likely effects are healing or HW, and if you get rotting, you just pop up a potion of healing, which you needed to use anyway 14:40:13 for flavor! /rimshot 14:40:41 does anyone ever drink the fountains on elf:7 to enable ctele? 14:41:05 Zannick: we go long ways to remove useless things, so that flavor is not especially good 14:41:10 it seems pointless and also the kind of thing that's completely impossible to discover without spoilers 14:41:25 kilobyte: we have potions of water and scrolls of paper, don't we? 14:41:29 MarvinPA: I sometimes do, but only for completeness, never due to a need 14:41:46 potion of water can be used to throw clouds around 14:42:43 they can both be extra fodder for scroll/potion destroying effects, and for feeding jellies 14:42:47 -!- bhaak has left ##crawl-dev 14:42:56 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:02 i thought carrying junk didn't affect item destruction 14:43:17 it does help against vanilla mummy curses 14:43:21 which is a bug 14:43:32 well, if you have 8 scrolls, and are stickied, which scroll is burnt first? 14:43:44 vanilla mummy curses are a pretty silly mechanic :/ 14:43:55 is it not random? 14:43:55 yeah, carrying junk doesn't help with item destruction 14:44:07 zannick: each scroll has a chance of being burnt independently 14:44:12 they could all burn 14:44:13 Zannick: multiple scrolls may burn 14:44:16 aha 14:44:36 carrying more scrolls just means more will burn on average 14:44:39 vanilla mummy curses only work well against fire stormers and similar characters 14:44:54 and even there it's only an issue for them in zigs 14:45:08 marvinpa: and in tomb? 14:45:14 oh yeah 14:45:20 non-Oka non-Ely chars just use a spammal or two 14:45:36 yeah, i have never done tomb without allies doing most of the killing 14:45:45 I dropped potions 14:45:53 fire/ice stormed tomb 14:46:18 kilobyte: firestorm can easily kill a mummy if you aren't careful with it 14:47:02 also, banishment is the best way of dealing with regular mummies :) 14:47:40 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:49 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:58:40 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:08 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:08:03 elliptic: right, I just worshipped TSO in all but one of my full games, and the remaining one was a mummy 15:08:46 !lg * won cv>=0.6 urune=15 s=god 15:08:47 189 games for * (won cv>=0.6 urune=15): 49x The Shining One, 25x Kikubaaqudgha, 25x Sif Muna, 22x Vehumet, 14x Makhleb, 11x Nemelex Xobeh, 10x Jiyva, 10x , 9x Okawaru, 4x Zin, 3x Fedhas, 3x Lugonu, 1x Trog, 1x Elyvilon, 1x Cheibriados, 1x Beogh 15:09:21 too bad I usually miss a rune due to some fuckup :( 15:10:43 !lm * type=br.end place=Tomb s=god 15:10:44 1224 milestones for * (type=br.end place=Tomb): 279x The Shining One, 215x Sif Muna, 176x Okawaru, 133x Kikubaaqudgha, 83x Vehumet, 71x Makhleb, 67x Nemelex Xobeh, 62x , 32x Trog, 24x Xom, 22x Lugonu, 18x Zin, 15x Cheibriados, 10x Elyvilon, 5x Beogh, 5x Yredelemnul, 4x Fedhas, 3x Jiyva 15:11:19 !lm * type=br.end place=Tomb s=god cv>=0.6 15:11:20 441 milestones for * (type=br.end place=Tomb cv>=0.6): 101x Kikubaaqudgha, 94x The Shining One, 59x Sif Muna, 54x Vehumet, 27x Nemelex Xobeh, 26x Okawaru, 22x , 22x Makhleb, 15x Cheibriados, 4x Lugonu, 4x Fedhas, 4x Trog, 3x Zin, 3x Jiyva, 3x Xom 15:11:39 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:11 -!- Kurper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:17:49 yay for the ghost code, it checks the file's version in five redundant places 15:17:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:18:17 ha 15:19:54 have you seen on termcast.org? blackpenguin from #nethack.de is staging a uniques tournament 15:20:13 heh 15:21:25 poor ijyb 15:21:42 pretty unsurprising 15:22:03 weird that khufu is #2 15:22:24 he might not have fought the really tough guys yet 15:22:35 there are still a lot of fights to go 15:22:36 @?? khufu 15:22:37 Khufu (04M) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 240 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Damage: 35 | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 12953 | Sp: demon, smiting (7-17), torment symbol, summon undead, doroklohe tomb. 15:23:32 yay ijyb 15:23:38 oh wait 15:24:59 the script is still a little bit buggy. he already said, he probably would have to run it more than once again :-) 15:25:52 the tournament allows summons, but not bands 15:26:07 and is on an open arena which gives summons a big edge 15:26:08 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:16 cheers 15:26:40 meow! 15:26:53 dpeg: we're watching termcast:uniques_tourney 15:27:15 hahaha, well done grinder 15:27:23 who did he beat 15:27:35 he paralyzed menkaure to win the third game of the fight 15:27:43 kilobyte: nice :) 15:28:24 dpeg: it's not me, per bhaak, it's blackpenguin from #nethack.de 15:28:25 Khufu is good :) 15:28:33 i'm not seeing jessica, is she last 15:28:46 per bhaak? 15:28:48 maybe my term is too small 15:29:09 yes, she's last. and no, your terminal is fine, my script still has some bugs 15:29:11 no, doesn't show on mine, either 15:29:23 also I have only 69 of 74 uniques 15:29:32 blackpenguin: cool stuff :) 15:31:12 at least it's fun, yes. going to develop that further. we just thought about a sigmund factor... like how many sigmunds do you need to win against foo (or how many foo are killed by a single sigmund) 15:31:26 so expect more funny shows like this later 15:31:48 blackpenguin: you're still in the Nethack camp? :P 15:31:51 cerebov just "lost" 3 times in a row 15:31:58 but i'm pretty sure he won 15:32:28 to whom? i missed it 15:32:33 trj 15:32:45 maybe he lost, wasnt really paying attention 15:32:47 dpeg: well.. I know DCSS for just 1 month now. played my first game in the tournament on Aug 5th. and no, I haven't played nethack since then, but that doesn't mean I won't do anymore 15:33:00 no, he won against TRJ 15:33:17 but I think it was actually scored as 0:0 for some reason 15:33:27 so they both got three losses from it 15:34:01 sonja doing well 15:34:05 blackpenguin: well, there's no rule that you should never play Nethack again :) I am sure that some folks around will play Nethack 3.5.0 for days upon release. 15:34:06 elliptic: just another bug. the script doesn't know about "devoured by a tear of reality" 15:34:09 i don't think sonja got the credit for that kill against louise 15:34:10 it seemed that sonja didn't get credit for banishing louise 15:34:14 !fight cerebov v the royal jelly 15:34:31 blackpenguin: that shouldn't be relevant for cerebov v TRJ 15:34:32 dpeg: you still believe in a release of 3.5.0? optimist! 15:34:40 did seem to be the problem with sonja though 15:35:49 elliptic: need to check out why it wasn't recognized then. the script currently only searches the last match of "(opp1|opp2).*(dies|is destroyed)" so any other message of death is missed. 15:36:03 !fight sigmund v spriggan firefly rider 15:36:11 I would greatly appreciate if crawl would return the result as exitcode 15:36:28 eh? did that not go in, or did i misread the 0.7 changes? 15:36:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:52 blackpenguin: it was a cynical joke, don't worry :) 15:38:03 nessos was 2:1 against the lernaean hydra 15:38:34 you don't need your own parsing, there's arena.result 15:38:48