00:08:18 !lg * killer=~doy 00:08:53 23. DickNixon the Infuser (L10 DSCr), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by doy's ghost on D:10 on 2010-08-20, with 5707 points after 21032 turns and 1:16:47. 00:09:00 !lg * killer=~doy -tv 00:09:01 23. DickNixon, XL10 DSCr, T:21032 requested for FooTV. 00:12:30 -!- eith has left ##crawl-dev 00:14:11 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:01 -!- Niccus| has quit [Quit: out] 00:45:59 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:19 -!- blue_anna has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:20:44 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:20:57 -!- blue_anna has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:12 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 01:39:18 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:40 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:29:47 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:28 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:04 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:26 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:06 Allow Zin's mutation protection to protect against glow mutation more often (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2338) by ledtim 05:48:02 -!- felirx has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:23 Delayed fireball can be miscast even if you are already charged (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2339) by doublep 06:08:53 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:47 -!- ortoslon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:47 -!- ortoslon has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:12:50 -!- ortoslon1 is now known as ortoslon 06:21:34 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:45:13 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:10 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:39 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:43 03j-p-e-g * r278049ac8b24 10/crawl-ref/source/ (18 files): Move the remaining damage spells into spl-damage.cc. 07:02:44 03j-p-e-g * rdb3cca587c59 10/crawl-ref/source/ (12 files): For clarity, rename spl-other -> spl-goditem. 07:02:47 03j-p-e-g * r8feb443b24a5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Slight changes in the spell code grouping. 07:02:48 03j-p-e-g * r2af507a7653a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (17 files): Of the remaining spells, move non-enchantment ones into spl-other.cc. 07:02:51 03j-p-e-g * r2d5f3c5367ec 10/crawl-ref/source/ (23 files): Move non-self-enchantment spells into new file. 07:02:52 03j-p-e-g * r6b7ff6694eba 10/crawl-ref/source/ (28 files): Redistribute ench. spell code into self/wpn enchantment. 07:02:53 03j-p-e-g * r3b956b639bab 10/crawl-ref/source/ (22 files): Rename spl-mis.* -> spl-miscast.* 07:40:19 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:09 -!- mruuuu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02:00 -!- mruuuu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:18 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 08:35:34 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:51 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47:20 after losing intelligence, still cannot read scrolls upon drinking brilliance potion (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2340) by reid 08:57:20 what are the right gods for the dwarves and deep dwarves? 08:57:54 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:08 -!- ortoslon has quit [Client Quit] 08:58:18 I was thinking nem and oka, trog, maybe kiku and yrede because deep dwarf necromancers 09:04:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:09 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:09:17 -!- GrimmSweeper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:33:55 03j-p-e-g * r30711abe2938 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc: Mantis 1944: Update Poisonous Cloud's position in spell books. 09:38:24 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:28 dpeg! 09:53:36 He's aliiiive 09:53:58 !lg dpeg 09:53:58 1095. dpeg the Axe Maniac (L25 MDFi), worshipper of Yredelemnul, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2010-08-06, with 1625528 points after 123030 turns and 10:01:33. 09:54:04 dpeg: Your streak is calling 09:56:09 @whereis greensnark 09:56:11 Hi all! 09:56:11 greensnark the Brawler (L25 GhFE), a worshipper of Vehumet, saved in Hell on 2010-08-21 after 97858 turns. 09:56:20 greensnark: need motivation? :) 09:56:22 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:34 dpeg: Yes, inspiring example needed :) 09:56:43 Will keep on going tomorrow. 09:56:50 I finally got a nice weekend without work 09:56:56 So I've celebrated by playing a lot! 09:56:59 Of Starcraft 2 09:57:18 Actually not that much, but more time than I spent on Crawl :P 09:57:27 boooo! 09:57:35 greensnark: is that game really good? 09:57:40 And of any lasting value? :) 09:57:46 It brings back fond memories :P 09:58:17 greensnark: that's a sign of old age, coupled with senility :P 09:58:28 I tried playing it with a couple of friends on Battle.net, but laaag 09:58:29 Let me check the tournament stats... 1000 playery yet? 09:58:38 And weird sync issues 09:58:53 !lg * t x=cdist(name) 09:58:54 44615 games for * (t): cdist(name)=979 09:58:58 i could never get into those real time strategy games 09:58:58 Not yet 09:59:27 Mu_: In my first job, we had a two month training period :P 09:59:45 During which I learned how to play MS Hearts, Age of Empires II, Quake III, Starcraft 09:59:50 It was very educational 09:59:56 heh 10:00:22 i used to like those management style games like dungeon keeper and theme park and constructor, but they don't make those kinds of games any more :P 10:00:25 Funnily Hearts was the best, because we could play it on the LAN while people were trying to teach us Java 10:01:28 <3 10:04:03 I'm startscumming to avoid having nightstalker in sprint 10:04:17 openttd go 10:04:29 pointless_: would you do the same in Crawl? 10:04:31 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:04:51 Does nightstalker show up as an early mutation? 10:04:54 probably not, but I want to cast firestorm or something 10:05:00 greensnark: yes 10:05:05 Aha 10:05:24 I don't like nightstalker much because it makes me feel really really claustrophobic, especially at level 3 10:05:40 It's like Doom 3 where you spend most of your time squinting down a flashlight beam 10:08:16 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:14 !lg * t place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br 10:10:15 245 games for * (t place=snake|swamp|shoals): 86x Snake, 80x Shoals, 79x Swamp 10:10:42 that looks good 10:12:44 I like how rgrn discusses Nethack's demise and Pat patiently answers questions on the level builder at the same time :) 10:17:01 NetHack isn't dead, it's just resting 10:19:36 !lg rend shoals 10:19:36 1. rend the Demolition Demonspawn (L22 DSCK), worshipper of Makhleb, mangled by a merfolk impaler (a +4,+1 trident of reaching) on Shoals:5 on 2010-08-20, with 377586 points after 56191 turns and 5:15:09. 10:19:43 ^^ Awesome Homeric battle splat 10:19:58 It had everything, turtles, aquamancers, impalers, and Donald making smartass comments 10:20:31 :) 10:21:03 "Not enough people dying in Shoals. I hate that." 10:21:17 Yeah :( 10:21:21 Snake is still ahead in the tourney 10:21:59 I think Shoals still has the 0.7 lead though 10:24:44 sprint has been quite deadly :P 10:25:18 still only 10 wins 10:26:31 Mu_: can we seen the list of winning combos? 10:26:44 !lg * t won sprint map=~mu s=char 10:26:45 10 games for * (t won map=~mu): 5x SpEn, 2x DEFE, 1x MfCr, 1x DSFE, 1x VpWz 10:27:17 nice, I will try another melee fighter there 10:28:07 Mu_: Apparently someone tried to use summon horrible things against Mennas 10:28:12 And got spanked comprehensively 10:28:21 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:58 !lm * t sprint uniq=Mennas s=char 10:28:58 11 milestones for * (t uniq=Mennas): 4x DEFE, 3x SpEn, 1x MfBe, 1x MfCr, 1x DSFE, 1x VpWz 10:31:02 haha :P 10:38:54 !lg rend shoals -tv 10:38:55 1. rend, XL22 DSCK, T:56191 requested for FooTV. 10:43:36 Mu_: great changes to the Sprint map! I love it. 10:44:11 :) 10:47:32 Duvessa with curare, hehe. 10:47:35 in enum.h I added two DNGN_ features, then in terrain.cc I added the lowercase versions of them to dngn_feature_names[] 10:47:49 but it fails compiling terrain.cc, in dungeon_feature_type dungeon_feature_by_name(const std::string &name) 10:47:55 at COMPILE_CHECK(ARRAYSZ(dngn_feature_names) == NUM_FEATURES, c1); 10:48:10 with this:terrain.cc:1540: error: size of array ‘compile_check_c1’ is negative 10:48:34 do I have to do anything else in enum.h ? 10:48:43 you have to add something to dngn_feature_names so that it is the same size as the feature enum 10:49:16 that's what I did 10:49:41 apparently you did not change the size of dngn_feature_names 10:50:19 I'm noticing now that NUM_FEATURES isn't actually accurate because there is a numeric assignment at DNGN_FEATURE_BLUE .. but that should have been a problem before my change too 10:50:21 or maybe you have to make sure NUM_FEATURES is correct? I'm not looking at the code here 10:50:34 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:02 that compile check says dngn_feature_names is not the same size as NUM_FEATURES, if you adjusted dngn_feature_names then make sure that NUM_FEATURES is correctly reflecting your additions 10:51:34 let me assign num features 2 higher and see if that's the magic it wants :P 10:54:46 Where did you add your features in the dungeon_feature_type enum? 10:55:41 pointless_, if you look in enum.h, it wouldnt matter unless it wa a fountain 10:55:44 *was 10:55:50 blue_anna: just tell me 10:55:58 DNGN_ENTER and DNGN_RETURN 10:56:51 and in dngn_feature_names did you overwrite one of the blank entries? 10:57:04 no 10:57:14 well there's your problem 10:57:20 oo 10:57:51 you should fill in the entry in dngn_feature_names corresponding to where you added in dngn_feature_type 10:58:07 the size of dngn_feature_names shouldn't change 10:58:37 I put them in the same order as in enum.h -- but you mean I should replace an empty string ""? 10:59:24 correct 10:59:43 the empty strings correspond to the gaps in the enum left by the assignments 11:00:09 aha! 11:00:26 I was wondering where the magic was to conert those lower case strings to the enum names, now I get it 11:01:45 there's only space for 3 more branches right now 11:02:47 well if we add 4 more branches then we'll have to change the enum values and break save compatibility 11:03:11 of course adding a new branch is easily enough to justify a major version change so it doesn't really matter 11:04:03 cool :) -- what was the new branch from 0.7 to 0.8 ? 11:04:12 **0.6 yo 0.7 11:04:42 I don't think a new branch has been added since shoals, which have been around in trunk for some time 11:07:45 I just added the stubs for Spider and Forest 11:07:47 add Dwarven Fortress branch!!! 11:09:00 if you have a serious plan to complete it, you could use that commit of mine as a list of things you need to edit 11:09:24 Eronarn, working on it :) 11:09:33 of course, these are just stubs, without level generation (falling back to D), and so on 11:09:55 Eronarn, can you tell me about Spider and forest ? 11:10:31 spider is supposed to be a branch with lots of spiders (including some new kinds) 11:10:35 forest is... spriggans, i think 11:10:48 Eronarn, I have creatures and branch added for the Dwarf Hall of Fallen Heros 11:10:55 branch code 11:10:56 (as planned initially, spider would be a replacement for snake, i don't know where it stands now) 11:11:28 blue_anna: nice :) if there's anything i can do to help, i'll see if i can put some time towards it 11:11:46 i wanted to make a dwarf branch, and made a bunch of notes, but my life is too busy to make it from scratch :( 11:11:48 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:11:50 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:branch:spider, https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:branch:forest 11:11:51 Eronarn, we should make sure our DNGN_ and BRANCH_ tags merge gracefully 11:12:08 Eronarn, my dwarf hall is planned to be an early branch 11:12:30 like concurrent with Ecumenical temple -- so I added it before the orcish mines 11:13:06 can you work with that? maybe we should share enum.h and terrain.cc 11:13:06 ah 11:13:34 oh, i don't have any code atm, just notes :) 11:18:30 blue_anna: that sound more like a portal vault to me 11:18:57 yeah, there's not really space for a branch around ET 11:19:04 its 5 levels deep and currently Ive got 4 parts sketched out for it. 11:19:10 (unless it's replacing Orc, of course) 11:19:23 incidentally, some devs say any new branch should be a portal vault first, as a mockup -- kind of like Spider is 11:19:24 and I want to put in more, just have to debug it .. I'm debugging the code now 11:19:28 lua code 11:19:45 kilobyte: they are right about this ;) 11:19:51 kilobyte, its just that it's too big for that 11:20:03 I started doing exactly that 11:21:00 Forest is not, but because it would take a lot of effort to get changing geometry and custom layout work in a portal, and multiple monsters use banishment, too 11:21:39 blue_anna: don't feel bad about cutting big ideas down to smaller ones - if you get a small piece done, very easy to expand that into a bigger one 11:21:56 it would have to be a separate branch type (like Lab), and that's not worth coding just for a mockup 11:22:11 kilobyte: forest is a cool idea, too, so that helps 11:22:31 any idea what the unexpected symbol is near '\' in line 80 here? http://nopaste.dk/p2303 11:22:43 right now I want to work on the lua code :D 11:24:38 the dwarf i was planning was an elf replacement, still in orc 11:24:41 and 7 levels, of course 11:25:10 why get rid of elf? 11:25:18 ooh, like 50/50 ? 11:29:44 yes, like shoals 11:30:13 because elf is cool - optional, tough branch with good loot - but after you've done it 10+ times... 11:42:03 how do you convert a line like MARKER: o = lua:foo {\ x=y, z=foobar\ } to {{stylish_lua_code}} at the top? 11:42:36 e.lua_marker('O', one_way_stair { x=y ... -- the compiler thinks this is a function declaration 11:47:57 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:02 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:49 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:43 Dwarf could also replace Orc. There could also be both Dwarf Fortress and Dwarf Mines, the former sometimes replacing Elf and the latter sometimes replacing Orc. So you might get: Orc/Elf, Dwarf/Elf, Orc/Dwarf or Dwarf/Dwarf. 12:09:41 Difficulty of the mines would naturally match Orc, and Fortress would match Elven Halls. 12:12:50 I think the lua problem I am having is becausethe parser doesnt accept functions defined like this http://nopaste.dk/p2304with brackets inside them 12:13:08 http://nopaste.dk/p2304 12:14:06 foo = {}; foo.bar = function(e) -- no brackets from here til end line 12:14:35 does crawl aspire to support lua 5.1? 12:18:36 Attempting to butcher a corpse leaks information about vampiric weapon (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2341) by minmay 12:23:23 wait -- i have a map that was working from trunk a week ago and it is erroring out in the lua now 12:23:35 I might have changed somehting but I didnt change any lua parsing 12:24:31 oo its not ... 12:25:13 why does code in dat/des/portals/ work but the same code in /dat/des/branches errors out? 12:25:32 gah! 12:59:19 -!- Anym has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:52 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:05:14 -!- Siber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:38 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:54 Ring of wizardry should identify staff-style (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2342) by minmay 13:09:04 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:57 Stairs hidden (removed maybe) on ^x map when using rod of discovery 'detect items' (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2343) by Porkchop 13:32:18 -!- Anym has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 13:34:03 [Tiles] tgw_good messes up water blending (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2344) by minmay 14:00:09 Jesus 14:00:11 Beogh 14:01:08 !hs * t god=beogh 14:01:09 596. henryci the Warrior (L22 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, slain by a deep troll on D:27 on 2010-08-04, with 273090 points after 78213 turns and 7:14:10. 14:01:47 someone reopen 2341 14:04:41 What was 2341? 14:05:08 butchering prompt ignores unidentified vampiric weapons and does not identify or give a message about it 14:05:47 okay 14:06:10 if that's your only available butchering weapon, it says there's none available 14:06:55 ah, that could be better indeed 14:07:10 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:22 I am still slightly annoyed by this on-going kerfuffle about D:1 hobgoblin deaths. 14:07:30 it's just tgw 14:07:35 there's not much support for it 14:08:06 i've died to worse things on d:1...in sprint 14:10:04 :) 14:14:30 !seen by 14:14:31 I last saw by at Thu Aug 19 21:59:10 2010 UTC (2d 21h 15m 21s ago) saying jlewis: no on ##crawl. 14:19:50 sigh, everyone has draining in Sprint now 14:20:08 yes, it's a bit too much 14:20:37 to be fair those spriggan defenders have distortion weapons by default, I think :P 14:20:43 I didn't know. 14:21:05 i think it's 50/50% but they always have draining in sprint 14:21:20 at least one of the spriggans has a dagger of draining, i believe 14:21:37 they are also very tough so you can't really rush for shops anymore unless you have a lot of brothers or happen to be stealthy 14:22:04 stealthy is not hard, and if the door doesn't open it tends to be fine for me 14:22:18 Zannick: as a trbe it's harder 14:22:21 but i keep playing sp of makhleb, so... 14:22:25 syllogism: naturally, they have distortion 10% of the time. In sprint, Mu redefined them to always have a dagger of draining. 14:22:26 though you rest less so it's less likely things have woken up on their own 14:22:32 kilobyte: oh 14:22:44 thought you said 50/50 14:23:21 MONS: spriggan defender hd:5 hp:75 ; dagger ego:draining 14:23:26 @??spriggan defender 14:23:26 spriggan defender (08i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 15 | Health: 35-54 | AC/EV: 3/30 | Damage: 30 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1578. 14:23:35 oh he buffed them too 14:23:44 but that hd helps 14:23:44 took away hd but gave them hp 14:23:56 cutting the HD by a factor of 3 makes them much easier 14:24:00 no wonder enslaving worked so well 14:24:16 @?? spriggan defender hd:5 14:24:17 spriggan defender (08i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 5 | Health: 10-20 | AC/EV: 3/30 | Damage: 30 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 144. 14:24:26 doesn't display mr properly, alas 14:24:41 they use proportional MR, so yeah 14:24:52 @? spriggan defender hd:5 hp:75 14:24:53 spriggan defender (08i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 5 | Health: 75 | AC/EV: 3/30 | Damage: 30 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 379. 14:26:40 so can someone reopen 2341, just making sure it's not forgotten 14:28:00 done 14:28:09 thanks 14:28:18 just polymorphed an unseen horror, got a draconian :) 14:29:02 the draconian is probably worth more xp too 14:29:11 yes 14:30:47 you can poly the spriggans too 14:31:06 I don't think I am going to play Sprint much... 14:31:14 It is too hard for me to try to win. 14:31:25 melee characters are very difficult 14:31:43 Yes, I don't like that. The first Sprint wins were all Sp :/ 14:32:00 personally i find spellcasters more interesting 14:32:03 in sprint 14:32:09 !tell Mu Could it be that the map is slightly overnerfed? I only played berserkers. 14:32:10 dpeg: OK, I'll let Mu know. 14:32:18 syllogism: but still, it should be viable for melee builds too. 14:35:18 melee builds just have it rough in general, i think 14:35:35 Zannick: in Sprint, they face one drainer after the other 14:35:51 yeah 14:35:59 melee, at least with weapons, is just intrinsically worse in sprint 14:36:06 much harder to find a decent weapon unless you go trog 14:36:16 and if you go trog, you have no spells at all 14:37:23 it's difficult to balance it for all character types. Getting rid of all the draining weapons would be fine though 14:37:37 we need an anti-magic brand that drains mp :P 14:37:44 aye 14:40:17 syllogism: how would it work? Draining mp from players, a mon_ench that interferes with spellcasting for monsters, that's obvious. But what else? Should it interfere with casting and/or mana regen of the wielder as well? 14:40:42 the silencing spectre is overdue 14:40:43 I suppose it could have a chance of dispelling enchantments 14:43:25 syllogism: good idea 14:43:30 dpeg: good idea 14:44:50 it should also be undesirable to wield as a spellcaster 14:44:54 let's code both, let's say... today 14:45:10 kilobyte: <3 14:45:41 dpeg: the save format is a slog, anything to get a distraction :p 14:46:00 syllogism: what penalty would you prefer? 14:46:14 -cast is a bit mundane and it could still easily be switched out 14:46:22 maybe just drain mp every turn? 14:47:40 acting as a negative spell enchanter when in inventory/the square you are standing on? 14:48:00 that might encourage tedious gameplay though 14:48:20 syllogism: that would work, although making people unwield it to use evokables would be a bit tedious 14:48:35 oh right 14:48:36 also god abilities 14:48:58 but do you want something undesirable or just preventing spellcasting and making it useless even to hybrids? 14:49:05 what about greatly reducing maxmp? 14:49:16 but not to 0 14:49:24 that might work 14:49:46 herself: I think it would be preferable if the brand would make heavy armour characters more desirable 14:50:09 made 14:50:38 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 14:50:47 heavy armour is still strongly overnerfed, the buff in 0.7 was pretty slight 14:50:52 yes 14:51:00 though it's still not clear to me why it's overnerfed 14:51:20 that is, I'm not sure if it's the combat penalties, ac or even gdr 14:51:44 or gda nerf 14:51:49 no, that's fine :P 14:52:04 no one uses it anymore 14:52:11 my theory is that EV chars get almost as good AC through all boosters -- mostly randarts 14:52:38 and then you can cast spells 14:52:43 easily 14:53:18 high ev grants better protection than high ac 14:53:26 dpeg: I had a char with 28 natural EV, 65 after adding randarts. And that's with choosing best ones, not those with best EV. 14:53:43 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:04 kilobyte: wow, I rarely seem to get ~40 14:54:06 herself: that's mostly because you can't get AC high without winning the randart lottery anymore 14:55:22 I'd like to suggest renaming Iguana to Giant Iguana or something 14:55:30 haha 14:55:34 I mean yea when they bite it hurts :) but not that bad :P 14:55:37 the +1,+10 mace of Killer Klown's Doom (weapon) {vamp, +Blink +Rage AC+4 EV+6 Stlth++}; the amulet "Thaoch" (around neck) {Spirit rC+ EV+5} 14:55:41 I hope the solution won't be to nerf ev 14:55:48 it used to be giant iguana 14:56:07 herself: EV has to be nerfed regardless of what happens to AC. 14:56:12 65? 14:56:16 numbers like that are very rare 14:56:17 the ring of Terra Nullius (left hand) {EV+7 Str+5 Acc+2 Stlth++}; the ring of Shaolin (right hand) {EV+8} 14:56:20 I mean they're only one or two feet long usually, hard to imagine one of those killing somebody 14:56:28 dpeg: was it buffed in any way since 0.4? 14:56:31 yes 14:56:36 65EV is like 65AC in previous versions 14:56:37 "green iguana grow to an average of three to six feet long" 14:56:40 except the enverending dex 14:56:48 neverending dex* 14:56:50 syllogism, I guess it depends on the continent 14:57:04 I believe that perhaps randarts should hand out smaller boni of AC and EV 14:57:29 dpeg: your BASE ev is what should matter -- and it's not only not overpowered, I'd say it could use a slight buff 14:57:30 I don't like the idea of nerfing EV in general just because you can possibly get it to an extreme high 14:57:37 if you have low-average EV it's pretty terrible 14:57:46 yeah I think this is too much based on a single experience 14:58:05 my last game I don't think I found any +EV gear aside from maybe a +2 ring 14:58:25 why can I ever get a char with extreme ev? 14:58:33 let's kill those wild randart boosts. And perhaps even ordinary rings of evasion. 14:58:33 can't* 14:58:46 ordinary rings of ev are fine 14:58:53 AC boosts are even worse 14:59:03 I do agree that randarts with a total of +12 to AC and EV are too good 14:59:11 and if you can get +20 from mutations and still be light... 14:59:31 makes robustness and shaolin look pretty bad by comparison 14:59:51 icemail gives +10, forgot what was the other big one 15:00:04 icemail melts 15:00:08 rugged brown scales or something 15:00:12 Ozocubu's also gives everything a plate would give sans GDR 15:00:15 why doesn't tile replacement work for uniques? 15:00:24 except for the melting 15:00:43 herself: it does melt, but how often do you meet fire-based enemies? 15:00:50 often 15:00:54 zot/pan/hells/abyss 15:01:06 mon_glpyh = Ijyb : lightred 5 -- Ijyb should be a 5 15:01:15 or if you're primarily using fire attacks then it's pointless 15:01:17 oo I misspelled it 15:01:19 everythere where AC would matter 15:01:47 i had an ogre with 43EV :P 15:01:49 that's why I liked coc on my icemail char 15:02:08 no lava or other bullshit 15:02:20 sorry about the draining dpeg :3 15:02:45 Mu_: how much of that was natural, and how much from randarts? 15:02:59 i had a ton of +dex and +ev 15:03:06 !log itsmu ogbe 15:03:06 2. itsmu, XL27 OgBe, T:74302: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/itsmu/morgue-itsmu-20100726-214311.txt 15:03:40 i put every level up point into dex too :P 15:04:07 oh it looks like i died with agi potion, guess it wasn't quite that high usually 15:04:59 ~10 from randarts? 15:05:13 ye 15:06:13 well, the potion gave you a lot of that 43 15:06:26 Mu_: You made TrBe impossible (at least for me) and I don't have time/mood to explore something else. Oh well. 15:06:42 the potions are okay 15:06:53 those spriggans should be easy if you get a nice paralysis wand orso :3 15:09:32 dpeg: here's a plan: what if we simply made an accident happen to +EV on randarts, and made +AC give +Armour instead? 15:09:43 Mu_: this is spoiler knowledge -- I had no idea 15:10:00 you can examine them though 15:10:02 kilobyte: that's possible, but we should discuss it 15:10:04 syllogism: true 15:11:00 kilobyte: that would leave sp even better compared to other races who would try EV-ing 15:11:03 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:49 since they would be stuck with <30ev for most of the game 15:12:33 even that SpBe of mine had only 28ev 15:13:51 can we make things weigh more? a deep elf walking around 5 strength should be able to run out of inventory slots :P 15:14:00 I think 15:14:19 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:14:33 *shouldn't? 15:15:44 yea 15:15:50 if you pick up a piece of armor, you're screwed 15:16:02 but if you avoid those you can carry a ton of stuff 15:16:09 armour and piles weigh a lot 15:16:12 I run out of carry weight on characters with 10+ str. 15:16:44 I'm annoyed enough to have to micro stashes. 15:22:05 with the new ball of energy you will have to carry a ton of restore abilities 15:29:20 i run out of carry weight on characters with < 10 str 15:29:24 mostly because wands are heavy 15:29:57 If people wouldn't run out of carrying capacity, the thing would be useless. 15:30:17 indeed 15:30:33 my strong melee characters usually run out of slots first 15:31:15 -!- eith_ is now known as eith 15:32:03 woot!! 15:32:12 The elf picks up a rod of striking. 15:32:17 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32:17 _The puff of flame misses the elf. The elf zaps a rod. The force bolt hits you! 15:33:07 blue_anna: nice 15:33:32 I hadnt tested that other creatures can now use rods too 15:33:40 just deep dwarf artificers :P 15:36:11 blue_anna: I looked at your patch, and I'd: 1. split it into a few parts, separating at least the rod support, 2. re-think DD necromancers. For one, regen is not supposed to work on DDs -- also, most player DDNe use Vampiric Draining massively, 3. discuss those nisses with dpeg and other folks first 15:36:25 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:39 kilobyte, is there regen on the deep dwarf necromancers? 15:36:42 dpeg: blue_anna wants to add "nisse", a kobold in heavy armour that casts invis 15:36:50 kilobyte, I was going to give them the spell regeneration but I didnt code it 15:37:21 SPELL_NO_SPELL, // should be SPELL_REGENERATION 15:37:24 yeah 15:38:06 also, nisses somehow have their 6th spell slot undefined -- did you mean to make invis their escape spell? 15:38:35 kilobyte, yea thats just a comment, they dont actually have the spell 15:38:42 kilobyte, I did, in fact 15:38:48 but I like how it is working in slot 5 15:38:59 kilobyte: sure, why not? 15:39:23 does spell_regeneration not work for player deep dwarves? 15:39:34 is so I just wont impliment it :D 15:39:40 blue_anna: but yeah, a wiki page with your vision (e.g. monsters you want to add, now and later) would help a lot 15:40:04 dpeg: it's a monster type, not an unique, that's why I thought it's better to discuss them before committing 15:40:21 yes 15:41:06 sounds weird 15:41:42 Wikipedia doesn't have an article by that name, but look for "tomte" instead 15:42:03 oh ok so not actually a kobold 15:42:08 the overall plan I have is to make a dwarf hall , and give it a scandanavian folklore theme 15:42:23