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00:26:48 <doy> alright, three runes down, 12 to go
00:27:05 <doy> as for right now, time to sleep
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01:52:04 <Keskitalo> !tell dpeg In my HEAM/F game, I did V:8 with oklobs by teleporting to a corridor and setting up the artillery there, if I recall correctly.
01:52:04 <Henzell> Keskitalo: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
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04:45:09 <Ashenzari> Unable to scroll-identify a rod whose type is known (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2224) by MarvintheParanoidAndroid
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06:27:37 <by> mara is lots of fun
06:27:51 <casmith789> mara is awesome
06:28:55 <by> I should forget evaporate before taking him on
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07:40:22 <due> hi by, <3mara
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08:33:06 <greensnark> due: I just had to waste a potion of speed, two heal wounds and three scrolls of teleport to get away from Mara :P
08:33:09 <greensnark> I hope you're happy
08:33:14 <greensnark> Damn your black heart
08:35:29 <casmith789> why get away from him
08:36:07 <greensnark> I could have splatted to him, true
08:36:11 <greensnark> It was in the Shoals too
08:36:40 <greensnark> So I've been carrying a pair of boots of running around for 10k turns
08:36:43 <greensnark> Without wearing them
08:36:48 <greensnark> <- bright
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08:39:52 <casmith789> nice
08:40:15 <doy> i usually just leave mara alone, but apparently he's not that hard with cleansing flame
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08:41:27 <Ashenzari> Hinting that bears might go berserk (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2225) by maiermrk
08:54:01 <Keskitalo> Just need a good line for that.
08:54:33 <greensnark> They go red and the game says they're berserk, that's a hint right there :P
08:54:51 <greensnark> I'd say we don't need a line for that
08:55:00 <Danei> Maybe you should be able to pacify them by throwing a honeycomb at them
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08:55:29 <Keskitalo> It is likely a predatory attack
08:55:41 <Keskitalo> not after the honeycombs >:)
08:57:19 <Danei> Alternatively, maybe they should get stronger for each honeycomb you're carrying
08:57:23 <Keskitalo> greensnark: Well true, it's a you die you learn case.
08:57:42 <Keskitalo> Danei: OOptimally you don't carry them then. :P
08:57:46 <greensnark> Keskitalo: Hardly, berserk bears are not a huge threat
08:57:55 <greensnark> They have like 1 hp left when they zerk
08:58:09 <Danei> Unless you get the BEAR CAVES portal vault
08:58:10 <Keskitalo> greensnark: That is true, so disappointing. :P
08:58:10 <greensnark> So even if they have 2 hp left when they attack, they're not that scary :P
08:58:24 <syllogism> they should go berserk earlier
08:59:02 <Danei> And the accompanying dire bears, hellbears and blink bears
08:59:11 <greensnark> What about baby bers
08:59:31 <Keskitalo> drop bears in the forest
08:59:58 <Keskitalo> syllogism: It's just their escape spell now.
09:00:25 <syllogism> escape spells should be used earlier :P
09:00:44 <Danei> I think it would actually make the game easier for me if prince ribbit teleported earlier
09:01:01 <Keskitalo> Maybe it should be heal+teleport :)
09:01:14 <Keskitalo> I mean heal+berserk
09:01:28 <Danei> Maybe prince ribbit should also torment
09:01:30 <Keskitalo> SPELL_BEARSERK
09:02:00 <Danei> So he can do in a more game-literal way what he's been doing to me ever since he was implemented
09:02:25 <Keskitalo> Ribbit is very effective, yes <3
09:02:58 <Danei> Maybe if you polymorph Ribbit and he happens to become a human (can blink frogs become humans?) he should turn neutral and thank you.
09:04:09 <Danei> Seems like good flavor, but it would hardly ever see the light of day in an actual game
09:06:12 <Keskitalo> Arrrgh, amnesia effect in Selective Amnesia.
09:07:11 <doy> boris #4
09:07:18 <doy> he seems to like me
09:09:36 <Keskitalo> Danei: A lot of effort for a little detail, yeah.
09:10:05 <Keskitalo> I was at one point looking at making the polymorph code more robust (so that the monster would know what it's original form was), but it was a bit above my head.
09:10:56 <doy> haha
09:11:03 <doy> this level has both a lab and a bazaar
09:16:39 <Ashenzari> Shapeshifting and mutations inconsitencies (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2226) by magne
09:16:48 <by> bazaar is quicker
09:17:44 <greensnark> magne is the Adom player, right
09:17:56 <greensnark> Forgot his real name
09:17:57 <by> actually bears are scary enough in my experience
09:18:10 <by> not sure I've died to berserking bears, but I've had close calls
09:18:17 <greensnark> by: If you meet them early or have a very weak character, yes
09:18:29 <greensnark> But the kind of characters a new player plays will mop up bears easily
09:18:39 <by> they can usually be dealt with safely, but that does require adapted tactics
09:19:16 <greensnark> In general I'm opposed to levering in awkward flavour text that destroys the joy of discovery for new players
09:19:31 <greensnark> I loved meeting new monsters when I started playing Crawl
09:19:53 <greensnark> I really wouldn't have wanted them to give me speeches about their unique abilities
09:20:44 <by> I was initially a bit scared of sheep due the "wooly animal with murder in their eyes" description
09:20:49 <greensnark> :P
09:21:03 <greensnark> I like the Linley-era flavour text
09:21:20 <greensnark> Stuff like "Sorry, you're not good enough to have a special ability"
09:21:26 <greensnark> And the ugly thing descriptions :P
09:22:11 <greensnark> Burning bushes don't change colour?
09:22:24 <Keskitalo> by: "adapted tactics" sounds good enough for me, thanks for saying that :)
09:27:30 <greensnark> Did we change item gen? Everyone's talking about Morg and Vampire's Tooth being generated every game
09:27:37 <greensnark> Also I found Vampire's Tooth :P
09:27:55 <by> I didn't touch that code as far as I remember
09:28:00 <Mu_> i've found 2-3 fixedarts in every game so far
09:28:11 <Mu_> this one has at least 4 :P
09:28:29 <Mu_> oh 5, leech is on sale
09:28:44 <greensnark> We should run some item gen stats
09:28:51 <Mu_> 6, mangy trident too :P
09:29:01 <greensnark> Perhaps the fixedart roll got upped
09:29:21 <greensnark> Fun fact: b26 had a bug where fixedarts were never randomly generated
09:29:28 <greensnark> We apparently have the reverse of that bug :)
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09:32:00 <greensnark> For some reason I'm carrying around 16 potions of healing
09:32:08 <greensnark> I must be subconsciously preparing for a trove
09:32:12 <syllogism> I've seen suspiciously many fixed arts as well
09:32:52 <syllogism> or I suppose unrandarts
09:33:09 <greensnark> Well, they're the same thing now
09:33:13 <syllogism> yes
09:33:23 <casmith789> they were different before?
09:36:17 <greensnark> Yeah, fixedarts had completely different handling in older versions
09:36:38 <greensnark> Unrandarts were handled pretty much like randarts; fixedarts got all-special treatment
09:36:48 <by> looking over recent changes to makeitem.cc there's nothing obviously related
09:36:52 <by> quite a few changes however
09:37:16 <by> do we have some item gen scripts?
09:37:37 <greensnark> We don't
09:37:50 <greensnark> We could adapt the monster stats script
09:37:57 <greensnark> The monster stats script seems buggy atm though
09:38:07 <greensnark> It doesn't count monsters right for aggregate numbers
09:38:28 <greensnark> I probably broke it at some point :P
09:39:32 <greensnark> Yay, Haste is at Very Poor
09:40:03 <greensnark> Haha, someone just got killed by a kenku :P
09:40:11 <greensnark> On FooTV now
09:40:32 <greensnark> I think they polymorphed a fish :P
09:41:25 <by> haha
09:41:50 <greensnark> Hey, I found a book with Mephitic Cloud :P
09:41:51 <greensnark> GG
09:42:10 <syllogism> it was gg when you remembered to put your boots on :P
09:42:17 <greensnark> syllogism: There's that too :P
09:42:29 <greensnark> I wonder just when I found those boots
09:42:35 <greensnark> I was like "Whoa, runed boots" :P
09:42:43 <greensnark> Then next I remember them I'm in Shoals :P
09:42:47 <by> @dump greensnark
09:42:47 <Gretell> Can't find character dump for greensnark.
09:42:54 <greensnark> @dump
09:42:54 <Gretell> http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.7/greensnark/greensnark.txt
09:43:17 <by> thanks
09:43:29 <by> with some settings it dumps item origins for everything
09:43:37 <greensnark> Yeah, we should just make that the default
09:43:40 <greensnark> Let me turn that on
09:43:49 <by> ah, it's in the notes
09:43:54 <by> on lair:6
09:44:10 <greensnark> Enabled now
09:44:26 <syllogism> I dont see it
09:44:27 <greensnark> Ok, so I wasn't carrying them too long :)
09:44:38 <greensnark> I was afraid I'd found it on D:3 or something :P
09:44:43 <syllogism> oh
09:45:15 <greensnark> Starlight is a pretty nice cloak
09:46:09 <by> why don't you identify those rings
09:46:30 <greensnark> Oh right :P
09:46:42 <greensnark> But I'll have to continue later, need to go out
09:51:55 <doy> i've found salamander hide armour twice now, in each of the two games i've played that have gotten anywhere
09:52:18 <doy> and my last win i also found leech, captain's cutlass, and i think something else
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10:20:14 <CIA-42> 03by * r01056024f9da 10/crawl-ref/source/viewmap.cc: Fix crash with off-level map viewing. (#2219)
10:20:44 <by> !tell greensnark 01056024 should go in 0.7
10:20:45 <Henzell> by: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
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10:46:35 <syllogism> m1nced having difficulties with doroklohe wizlab
10:47:09 <greensnark> by: Will do
10:47:09 <Henzell> greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
10:47:13 <greensnark> !messages
10:47:13 <Henzell> (1/1) by said (26m 28s ago): 01056024 should go in 0.7
10:49:14 <by> @? ancient lich
10:49:15 <Gretell> ancient lich (16L) | Speed: 12 | HD: 27 | Health: 81-132 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Damage: 2013(drain) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(504), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 10684 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), teleport self / b.draining (3d30), animate dead, summon undead, throw frost (3d13), crystal spear (3d48) / b.f..
10:54:46 <CIA-42> 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * rde135da5910b 10/crawl-ref/source/viewmap.cc: Fix crash with off-level map viewing. (#2219)
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10:59:19 <Cryp71c> Afternoon
11:27:44 <Mu_> is it still the case that if you're banished on lom's level the rune is lost?
11:28:17 <casmith789> yes
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11:33:08 <Mu_> my biggest feat...
11:33:09 <Mu_> r
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11:33:23 <by> !lm Mu_
11:33:24 <Sequell> 3485. [2010-08-08] itsmu the Intangible (L27 HECr) entered Tartarus on turn 131306. (Hell)
11:33:42 <Mu_> trying to do 15 + kill all of the lords
11:33:49 <by> nice
11:33:57 <CIA-42> 03Cryp71c * r989856dad200 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Mantis 2225: Hint at bear-family's capability of berserking
11:34:08 <casmith789> you don't need that much mr for 100% resist from the wizards Mu_
11:34:15 <Mu_> really
11:34:18 <casmith789> they are only hd 10
11:34:25 <Mu_> i dunno how it works
11:34:36 <casmith789> extraordinary is probably enough
11:34:49 <casmith789> for 100% that is
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13:12:57 <Ashenzari> Iron dragon zombies use large quadruped zombie tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2227) by minmay
13:43:08 <Ashenzari> Old messages show up at game start with restart_after_game = true (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2228) by jpeg
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14:42:26 <rwbarton> by: I wondered whether that was intentional
14:43:03 <by> I'm sure somebody intended something, but the current interface must be a bug
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14:43:43 <by> I was prompted on the map for a target, then told I can't teleport away, prompted again, picked an occupied spot in range, and was finally teleported randomly
14:44:49 <greensnark> Yeah, if it's intended to force a close-teleport, it would be easier to skip the prompt entirely
14:45:03 <greensnark> And do an equivalent of the blink-closer spell
14:46:19 <by> also reading ?blink with identified stasis appears to waste scroll and turn
14:46:38 <by> guess I'll file
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14:50:30 <by> ah, it only wastes the turn, not the scroll
14:50:38 <doy> by: the final result of being teleported randomly is just the normal result of the chosen location after fuzzing being inside a wall
14:50:38 <greensnark> Still a bug
14:51:23 <greensnark> I think we should either remove the forced-closer-controlled-teleport with mesmerise or disable the control teleport prompt
14:51:27 <doy> yes
14:51:38 <doy> having tele control be worse than not in this case seems dumb
14:53:32 <Ashenzari> stasis/-tele waste turn when preventing teleportation (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2230) by rob
14:53:32 <Ashenzari> controlled teleport while mesmerized is broken (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2229) by rob
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15:03:48 <MarvinPA> -TELE seems inconsistent with stasis
15:04:23 <MarvinPA> it prompts you when you try and cast blink or teleport self, where stasis just fails and wastes your mp
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15:09:41 <CIA-42> 03by * r731fa4111074 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Fix wasted turns for known prevented scroll teleports and blinks. (#2230)
15:09:43 <CIA-42> 03by * r247023163c70 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc: Treat stasis like -TELE when casting teleport self (MarvinPA).
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15:12:03 <MarvinPA> will stasis prompt when you caste haste now, too?
15:12:12 <by> it should, yes
15:12:17 <MarvinPA> cool :)
15:12:18 <by> ah, no, misread
15:12:32 <by> but that can be done
15:12:52 <MarvinPA> it seems a bit mean just to use up the mp and even make a noise when you try and cast it, yeah
15:15:03 <by> hmm, not that easy because it could be targeted at other monsters
15:15:46 <MarvinPA> ah yeah, good point
15:16:18 <MarvinPA> would have to wait for you to target yourself before prompting i suppose
15:17:44 <by> also you're not prompted for !speed, but it's clearly inconsisten
15:17:52 <by> t with the way tele is handled
15:18:33 <MarvinPA> oh yeah, wands of hasting too would be an issue
15:23:51 <by> I've filed under dcss:brainstorm:interface for now -- best talk to dpeg about what should be
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15:57:40 <by> !lg * t place=snake|swamp|slime s=br
15:57:41 <Sequell> 76 games for * (t place=snake|swamp|slime): 36x Swamp, 33x Snake, 7x Slime
15:57:48 <by> !lg * t place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
15:57:49 <Sequell> 101 games for * (t place=snake|swamp|shoals): 36x Swamp, 33x Snake, 32x Shoals
15:58:15 <by> really well balanced it seems
15:58:38 <by> !lg * t br=slime
15:58:38 <Sequell> 7. daftfad the Peltast (L21 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, splashed by acid on Slime:3 on 2010-08-08, with 264114 points after 84386 turns and 6:22:34.
15:58:44 <by> !lg * t br=slime -2
15:58:44 <Sequell> 6. Abysmal the Orcish Porcupine (L27 HOGl), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by the royal jelly on Slime:6 (slime pit) on 2010-08-07, with 532378 points after 104648 turns and 9:18:41.
15:58:56 <by> !lg * t br=slime -2 -tv
15:58:56 <Sequell> 6. Abysmal, XL27 HOGl, T:104648 requested for FooTV.
16:02:51 <greensnark> Shoals is falling behind :'(
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16:03:11 <greensnark> I see Snake has activated its afterburners :P
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17:42:11 <due> greensnark: That's a waste?
17:42:29 <greensnark> My hard earned scrolls and potions :'(
17:43:20 <due> You could'vejust died to himinstead :p
17:45:48 <Pseudonut> hey devs, i think i should have the xom banner by now but it's not showing up
17:47:15 <greensnark> !lg Pseudonut t s=god.mollify x=max(god)
17:47:15 <Sequell> Bad arg 's=god.mollify' - cannot summarise by god.mollify
17:47:27 <greensnark> !lg Pseudonut t type=god.mollify
17:47:28 <Sequell> Unknown selector: verb
17:47:34 <greensnark> !lm Pseudonut t s=god.mollify x=max(god)
17:47:35 <Sequell> 18 milestones for Pseudonut (t): 2x Vehumet [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Okawaru [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x The Shining One [The Shining One], 1x Beogh [Beogh], 1x Sif Muna [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Cheibriados [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Kikubaaqudgha [Zin], 1x Lugonu [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Makhleb [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Xom [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Elyvilon [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Trog [Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Jiyva [Zin], 1x Zin [Zin], 1x Neme...
17:47:43 <greensnark> !lm Pseudonut t s=god.mollify x=max(god),min(god)
17:47:44 <Sequell> 18 milestones for Pseudonut (t): 2x Vehumet [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Okawaru [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x The Shining One [The Shining One;The Shining One], 1x Beogh [Beogh;Beogh], 1x Sif Muna [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Cheibriados [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Kikubaaqudgha [Zin;Zin], 1x Lugonu [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Makhleb [Kikubaaqudgha;Kikubaaqudgha], 1x Xo...
17:48:02 <greensnark> Pseudonut: TSO mollified while worshipping TSO doesn't count as heresy
17:48:12 <greensnark> Your god has to be != the god you're mollifying
17:48:29 <Pseudonut> oh nuts
17:49:02 <Pseudonut> i thought you just needed the milestones
17:49:15 <greensnark> I see the wording of the banner is unclear
17:49:23 <greensnark> No, you need to actually renounce the god in question
17:49:34 <greensnark> i.e. not just tick them off with a minor peccadillo
17:50:37 <Pseudonut> okay
17:50:43 <Pseudonut> that's going to require a lot more mashing 5
17:51:08 <greensnark> Yeah, sorry, the banner text was just wrong
17:51:13 <greensnark> I'll fix it now
17:52:56 <casmith789> ah okay, you can't cheat? cool
17:58:02 <Chapayev> it's funny that, in real life, it's very hard to get very far running around with a huge axe, smashing things
17:58:14 <Chapayev> but in real life you can totally get away with worshipping and then renouncing every god around
18:01:07 <syllogism> http://img.waffleimages.com/f8d77d3287df70a68bb42e92fa50e8a20903b0f8/hog.png
18:01:36 <greensnark> syllogism: What about it?
18:02:10 <Chapayev> clearly crawl also needs an onion-based monster, e.g. "oklob onion"
18:02:21 <Chapayev> for the "You dice the oklob onion like an onion!!!" message
18:02:27 <greensnark> So you can dice it like the proverbial onion you mean :P
18:03:55 <Chapayev> an oklob onion could also have a nice progression of layers, like an onion
18:04:20 <Chapayev> or like the layers of the greater sphere of invulnerability, from d&d (or at least the ancient d&d books i read as a kid)
18:04:34 <Chapayev> so the oklob onion spits acid until you destroy its first layer
18:04:36 <Ashenzari> Don't blind berserk console players (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2231) by OG17
18:04:48 <Chapayev> then it spits fire acid, then cold acid, etc.
18:05:08 <Chapayev> this is one of those "too bad for bad_ideas" ideas
18:05:33 <syllogism> he is pretty much right about berserk
18:05:38 <pointless_> hell acid
18:07:07 <greensnark> Yeah, that FR is good
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18:09:58 <kilobyte> now that hellfrost is gone, we need hellelectricity, helldraining, and above all, hellcleansing flame
18:10:28 <pointless_> hellectricity
18:10:38 <pointless_> hellectricity for hellephants
18:10:45 <Chapayev> i am actually listening to a style of music that is called "hellectro" right at this moment
18:12:00 <syllogism> shoals splat incoming
18:13:01 <syllogism> red oklob plant?
18:13:16 <syllogism> oh, probably just a setting
18:13:40 <st_> Nexos must love shoals
18:13:59 <syllogism> he really didn't want to waste those precious healing potions
18:14:17 <kilobyte> !log Nexos
18:14:17 <Sequell> 2337. Nexos, XL16 TrBe, T:55166: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nexos/morgue-Nexos-20100808-231324.txt
18:14:39 <Ashenzari> Ogre Mage tile looks ridiculous when wielding weapons. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2232) by 256
18:16:05 <greensnark> !lg * t place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
18:16:06 <Sequell> 102 games for * (t place=snake|swamp|shoals): 36x Swamp, 33x Shoals, 33x Snake
18:16:13 <greensnark> At least it's back level with Snake now
18:16:35 <greensnark> !lg * 0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br
18:16:35 <Sequell> 156 games for * (0.7 place=snake|swamp|shoals): 61x Shoals, 54x Swamp, 41x Snake
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19:04:16 <doy> !lg birdoprey
19:04:16 <Sequell> 1791. BirdoPrey the Charm-Maker (L1 DGEn), slain by an ooze on D:1 on 2010-08-08, with 35 points after 136 turns and 0:00:32.
19:04:26 <doy> !lg birdoprey -2
19:04:26 <Sequell> 1790. BirdoPrey the Charm-Maker (L3 DGEn), slain by a gnoll on D:2 on 2010-08-08, with 168 points after 1887 turns and 0:05:01.
19:04:35 <doy> !lg birdoprey place=zot:5
19:04:35 <Sequell> No games for birdoprey (place=zot:5).
19:04:53 <doy> !lg birdoprey xl>20
19:04:53 <Sequell> 16. BirdoPrey the Acrobat (L27 DDNe), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 9 runes on 2010-08-06, with 6210144 points after 98328 turns and 6:39:03.
19:04:55 <Ashenzari> Ancient Liches can paralyze you while silenced (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2233) by BirdoPrey
19:06:16 <syllogism> @?? ancient lich
19:06:17 <Gretell> ancient lich (16L) | Speed: 12 | HD: 27 | Health: 86-132 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Damage: 2013(drain) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(504), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison | XP: 10732 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), teleport self / b.draining (3d30), animate dead, summon undead, throw frost (3d13), crystal spear (3d48) / b.f..
19:07:33 <doy> maybe the silence radius decreased that turn?
19:09:41 <doy> would be nice to have a ttyrec though
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19:40:07 <Ashenzari> exclusion LOS not updated for initially unexplored territory (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2234) by jpeg
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20:35:25 <Ashenzari> Crashing on Startup (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2236) by foxbyte
20:35:25 <Ashenzari> bright green floor in slime overrides trap coloring (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2235) by doy
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20:58:09 <doy> dissolution is irritating
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21:02:58 <doy> is jpeg back or something?
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23:31:18 <due> jpeg's back? nice
23:31:26 <due> doy: irritating due to the eyes?
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