00:02:13 summoning through walls still hasn't been fixed yet? :| 00:03:10 -!- OG17 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:13:28 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:31 cyborgemu: "the mechanics are cool but the playing sucks"? ;) 01:31:01 !tell greensnark Looks like the points for skill mastery aren't showing up on the player page. 01:31:02 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 01:31:59 Keskitalo: Maxing skill points shows up only on the clan page 01:31:59 greensnark: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:32:22 Because two players with the same skill maxed don't contribute 2x points for that skill 01:35:01 Ahhh, sorry. Didn't think of looking at the clan page. 01:35:31 Congrats on the win :) 01:36:01 I see Mu has Free Will :) 01:36:51 Also that's a nice battle for first place going 01:42:04 I'm sort of surprised that n78291 hasn't amassed a huge lead yet 01:43:42 greensnark: Thanks! It was pretty easy in retrospect, but I didn't dare to go for more runes. I only needed to Ice Storm one orb of fire (probably IOOD would've done) 01:43:57 Fun character, very powerful but also very fragile. 02:02:42 FR: cut down on the first boring hour of playing crawl 02:10:16 Before lair is the exciting part of the game. Once you reach lair, you sigh in relief and go into autopilot 02:10:30 and die carelessly 02:12:09 is it? maybe then the early game is too easy for TrBe? 02:26:42 bhaak: yes, TrBe is very easy: both Tr and Be have a quite easy early game 02:29:20 stabwound: if we fix summoning through walls, we break dpeg's liches in glass 02:29:36 (no, that's not really a reason) 02:36:25 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:08 !lg * won class=hu s=god 02:51:08 54 games for * (won class=hu): 27x Okawaru, 7x Nemelex Xobeh, 3x Trog, 3x Vehumet, 2x The Shining One, 2x Cheibriados, 2x Jiyva, 2x Makhleb, 1x Lugonu, 1x Elyvilon, 1x Sif Muna, 1x Xom, 1x Fedhas, 1x 02:51:23 dah sorry again 02:51:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:02:47 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:34 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:06 Look like Napkin and dpeg had more trouble going heavier armour, Napkin said it was hard to land a hit in splint, while I felt ok in my D:1 plate.. does Str affect it? Dunno if it's possible that my DS had more Str than MD.. 03:17:34 ??plate mail 03:17:35 plate mail[1/1]: +10 ac -6 ev. Weighs 65.0 aum. 03:17:42 needs 18 str I believe 03:19:03 armour description should state that 03:19:20 like in 4.1 03:28:03 -!- Anym has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:59 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:14 The jump from 1 spammal to 2 spammals is huge. 03:38:29 Use Call Imp until spammals summons 2. 03:38:39 And Call Imp is **good** at L2. 03:40:58 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 03:48:48 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:51:00 hmm, I guess I had like 20 str 03:52:51 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:12 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:03 -!- JamezQ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:12 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:08 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:07 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:52 Mu_: Congrats on the win! Lots of Annihilations. :P 04:43:01 by also congrats on the second win. 04:43:34 yeah when i saw them all in my stash when i was collecting my runes i just had to pick them up :D 04:44:30 I have a DS Summoner/Necromancer/Transmuter of Kiku going, you should watch my Bailey run! 04:45:08 are you doing the bailey now? 04:46:46 !lm Keskitalo br.enter=bailey -tv:>$ 04:46:47 3. Keskitalo, XL8 DSSu, T:12711 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 04:46:51 Nope, I had one earlier. 04:47:01 thanks by 04:48:10 Cryp71c_: The demonic guardian is so. cool. now. 04:50:40 Keskitalo: congratulations! 04:51:17 !lm Keskitalo br.enter=bailey -tv:>$ 04:51:17 3. Keskitalo, XL8 DSSu, T:12711 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 04:51:29 it's still on 04:52:03 I saw :) 04:52:29 Reruns! 04:54:24 :) 04:54:30 nice :p 04:54:37 the iceman cometh 04:54:54 That was the best moment ever. 05:04:57 I like my MDFi: 38 AC is still good for something. 05:07:34 I had 41 on my DSWz : 05:08:15 did you cast? 05:08:21 ah, lucky mutations? 05:09:56 +9 ac mutation + ozo's is probably enough already to get that high 05:11:00 felirx: hi! 05:12:10 mmm, now I revealed myself :C 05:12:40 huh? 05:17:35 ***** 5 orbs of fire 05:21:07 syllogism: why didn't you heal? You had a turn... 05:21:30 10384 turns, what a pity 05:22:02 I forgot I had it 05:22:08 should I have mailed? 05:22:11 blammo :( 05:22:12 yes 05:22:29 sorry, you're much better than me, I'd never expected you could forget such an option 05:22:41 next time I will 05:23:09 syllogism: what are the other runes apart from slimy? 05:23:15 Vaults b/c of cTele? 05:23:18 snake/shoals 05:23:24 ok 05:23:42 Which of Snake/Swamp/Shoals is worst for speedrunning? 05:24:08 easy swamp is the best, you can ninja snake & shoals decently as well too though 05:24:16 depends on the swamp ending 05:24:20 the undead one is trickier 05:24:28 yes, I can imagine 05:24:59 Do speedrunners startscum until they find an early J altar? 05:25:13 no 05:25:14 they join just outside slime normally 05:26:01 ok 05:37:05 unfair or not, I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact no one reminded me of the wand despite it being obvious I didn't remember I had it 05:39:15 syllogism: I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't remember 05:40:13 should have, obviously, but watching was quite exciting 05:40:21 I was even quaffing regular potions of healing 05:40:30 I know 05:41:33 it was probably what dpeg said, I thought you knew what you were doing 05:42:42 it was certainly not "should I tell him? nah" for me, and I imagine most others 05:43:31 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45:04 -!- mruuuu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:04:07 -!- Anym has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 06:04:46 -!- mruuuu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:07 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:08 -!- purge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:26:30 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:46:16 syllogism: hey, I suggested to identify those wands =) 06:46:22 (just back from lunch) 06:55:01 dpeg: MarvinPA suggested that spriggan assassin, instead of walking in and stabbing, could stalk the player for a long time, waiting for them to get low and only then revealing themselves (fighting normally, without a stab) 06:55:38 oh, nice 06:55:46 that would avoid the randomness of suddenly suffering a massive HP hit, but would force us to make their stealth inconsistent with those of players 06:55:47 are they invisible or would they get special treatment 06:55:56 ==> special treatment 06:57:12 in my original plan, they would walk through monsters friendly to you, and every turn you have them in LOS, you'd get an awareness roll to drop their stealth 06:58:26 kilobyte: if they're rare enough, we could have them flee if wounded or discovered, so they come back (and start the stealth game again). 06:58:42 perhaps with a lowered starting value, because you know they're there, somewhere 06:59:08 with invisibility, everyone at that time of game would be able to just wear a helmet of SI, a ring or a randart and make them harmless 06:59:17 yes 06:59:36 yeah, restealthing outside of LOS is a part of the plan 06:59:56 I didn't include that easier to spot again thingy, but it's not a bad idea 07:01:39 I wonder if MarvinPA's version isn't better, but I have troubles coming up with a good model of stealth for it -- repeated awareness rolls wouldn't work since most likely you'll spend most of the time at near-full hp 07:02:24 yes 07:03:32 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:24 awareness "skill" I had on mind would be: xl * racial factor + T&D; squishy chars tend to be good at that 07:07:57 yes 07:07:58 but still, we don't want an elf conjurer to insta-die just because he was unlucky with a random roll 07:09:10 needs some thought, but there should be a nice solution 07:10:23 that's why I'm pondering what MarvinPA proposed -- but how would you be able to spot assassins then? 07:11:02 a roll every turn is obviously bad, a roll every move would encourage dancing in a circle 07:14:00 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:09 -!- Spads has quit [Changing host] 07:14:09 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:03 would rolling just once work? 07:16:33 as in, the moment the assassin comes into your LOS the very first time? 07:17:19 you could roll a distance at which it reveals itself 07:17:25 that's good 07:17:30 if you' 07:17:38 re stupid, you only see the assassin materialise when next to you 07:17:48 if you're good at it, you see it three steps away 07:18:44 so they won't stab? 07:18:57 phew 07:20:02 this would mean they should prefer to keep their distance if they see you're not in peril 07:20:09 can be tricky around corners 07:21:20 if they're not on the grid, they don't really even have to move 07:21:31 they could just materialize at a random square 07:24:22 so, once they see you, they'd stalk you (spending most of the time at your position), then once they decide to reveal, they'd pick a random square at a distance dependant on your awareness roll 07:26:24 ortoslon: stabbing meaning instant kills? No. 07:26:29 for best effects, that should be bell-curved so most distances would be pretty close to you 07:27:02 and if they fail their roll really badly, you can just see them outright (perhaps stabbing THEM) 07:27:38 this distance proposal would mean no stabbing at all, though 07:27:38 will they have curare needles? 07:28:07 they could use blowguns if they are noticed at long range 07:28:10 curare makes little point if they start just next to you 07:28:58 Hello. 07:29:46 kilobyte: yes, I was thinking quite often they'd show up right next to you (and maybe get a stab) 07:30:03 due: Hi! 07:30:06 due: meow! 07:30:16 hi due 07:30:32 kilobyte: but this is just random ideas, I haven't thought about this at all -- do what you think would work 07:30:34 * due tired, wow. 07:31:23 by: so if you roll a distance = 1, this means a stab, then? It should be probably a crippled one compared to player ones, since they won't appear unless you're in grave straits already. 07:32:07 ensorcelled hibernation stabs are currently *2.5 damage 07:32:47 *2.5? In wizmode, I see 400-800 damage most of the time, even with a +0 dagger. 07:32:57 kilobyte: I think monster-stab-player. 07:32:57 monster stabs 07:33:07 ah 07:33:36 !log . killer=~ghost race=ha 07:33:38 1. rob, XL4 HaCj, T:3586: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/rob/morgue-rob-20091227-095550.txt 07:33:51 What player-controlled variable is used to determine when you detect them? 07:33:53 Int? 07:34:09 T&D should also matter 07:34:22 that was a great death, stabbed by crepe's ghost 07:34:53 due: the formula I have so far is: xl*racial factor + T&D (to make it similar to stealth) 07:35:46 kilobyte: I am not sure if we need XL here 07:35:50 with races with see invis (Vp, Sp, Na) having the best factor, elves, halflings and the like good, and MDs and trolls abysmal 07:35:54 why not Int + T&D ? 07:36:06 I see. 07:36:21 heck, stealth does use Dex :p 07:36:35 so right, Int may be used there 07:37:13 it would give an insane bonus to conjurers though 07:37:53 -!- Spads has left ##crawl-dev 07:37:54 but then, while it's unthematic (those who are sneak-masters themselves would be most aware), they happen to need it the most 07:38:39 on the other hand, conjurers nuke everything from distance, they could use some close-up danger 07:39:54 exactly 07:40:38 I think the traits of hiding in the shadows and detecting something hidden are very different, so using Dex vs Int seems good, even from a flavour point of view. 07:43:16 D&D has our Int split into two stats: Int (logical thinking) and Wis (common sense), and that makes more sense, since those with great Int low Wis have trouble noticing things in RL 07:43:53 kilobyte: but Linley thankfully cut down that mess to three stats :) 07:44:25 yeah, that split is helpful in very few places, and causes a mess elsewhere 07:50:06 dpeg: I had +15 AC from rings, and +9-10 from Ozocubu's Armour. 07:51:27 dpeg: Ack, I meant DEWz, not DSWz. 07:51:41 if dodgers get better AC than heavy armourers _and_ spells _and_ dodging, things are just wrong 07:53:11 the choice should be roughly: spells+stealth vs protection from damage 07:54:03 kilobyte: you have to take out the rings 07:54:45 and Ozocubu's, and icemail 07:55:39 Could get rid of Ozocubu's :) 07:55:53 It just allows an EV character to have AC, what's the point. 07:56:28 let's nerf non-armour sources of AC, and improve armour AC, by a lot 07:56:45 I have good armour AC, not sure I need more. 07:58:13 if 38 on an late midgame MD counts as "good" these days, we nerfed things by a huge margin 07:58:15 Stoneskin is also nearly the same spell. Ozocubu's Armour melting off with fire attacks was cool though. 07:58:21 !gkills when=tt 07:58:22 Bad selector when (when=t for tourney games) 07:58:22 !gkills when=t 07:58:23 2 games for * (killer~~^(due|bookofjude)'.*ghost when=t): 2x Fetish 07:58:26 Woohoo. 07:58:31 !lg * killer=~bookofjude 07:58:32 43. Fetish the Insei (L4 NaTm), slain by bookofjude's ghost on D:3 on 2010-08-04, with 195 points after 3551 turns and 0:06:50. 07:58:41 Oh, boring. 07:58:42 Stoneskin could be made a EV->AC tradeoff spell or something. 07:59:20 Ozocubu's could give rF- 08:00:04 It could take that. 08:00:07 it should enhance ice if it gives rF- 08:00:18 st_: It can take the nerf. :P 08:01:01 Keskitalo: good idea! 08:01:08 idea: let's make rings of protection add to your Armour skill rather than AC. Thus, they would be of little use for EV chars. 08:01:20 kilobyte: Ooh, quite nice! 08:01:49 With Shaolin being special in that it does AC+8, as now? 08:01:58 This is a bit like +EV vs +Dex... 08:02:00 Robustness is AC+8 08:02:02 Robustness 08:02:08 I had that. :) 08:02:20 what about other randarts? 08:02:34 these days, a good part of your AC tends to come from them 08:02:46 my DsWz and the ubernagas are the absolute example of the ridicolous amount of AC you can get from items/spells/muts 08:03:44 on the other hand races like drac kinda need that stuff 08:04:17 st_: dracs need a very, very thorough boost, they suck at an epic scale right now 08:04:40 Fix general issue first, look at specific cases later (yeah, Dracs need the boost and will be getting it) 08:05:24 yes 08:05:42 dpeg: is your shield reflection? 08:08:32 in my game, I had a choice between 48 SH large shield and a 34 SH shield {refl}... Probably wearing the former most of the time would have been a better idea, but then, the fun of doing Iskenderun's wizlab with reflection was priceless. 08:11:35 no 08:11:43 :) 08:13:09 it was fun vs Boris and other IOOD-happy liches too 08:14:29 need moar IOOD! 08:14:55 This troves asks for /cold (15), me likes. 08:15:03 it's fun having those squishy spriggans need to dodge it for their lives 08:15:22 dpeg: hrm, and mine wanted a +3 GDA 08:16:06 it's silly that if troves want armour, they request only RoR/GDA, never anything else 08:16:27 kilobyte: would it have been satisfied with a +4 GDA? 08:16:48 ortoslon: yes 08:17:13 kilobyte: can easily expand the list of trove wishes 08:17:29 with a charmed golden dragon? :P 08:17:32 that's what I have on mind 08:18:03 let's make it ask for bone or shadow dragon armour :p 08:18:14 "the trove entrance consumes the sacrifice. you hear a quiet burp" 08:18:16 kilobyte: oh, I like it 08:18:26 it could also ask for a +4 troll armour 08:18:48 Absolutely love the idea of hunting down a troll and spending the ?EA to come up with that item. 08:19:37 it's definitely easier than the alternatives, but indeed, the cost is 5 ?EA, not killing some mook troll 08:20:24 how about troves that ask to convert to a certain god? 08:21:11 that's just annoying 08:21:32 and requires spoiler knowledge about the wraths 08:22:01 !learn add bad_ideas troves that ask to convert to a certain god 08:22:02 bad ideas[2244/2244]: troves that ask to convert to a certain god 08:23:53 ortoslon: no 08:26:03 due: will the trove accept a wand of cold (15), even if it is unidentified? 08:30:43 due: I used a fresh (unidentified) wand of cold, recharged it twice but the trove refuses to take it. Should I recharge some more or is that futile? 08:31:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:34 minmay_crystal_box was a nice challenge 08:32:55 !lg * map=minmay_crystal_box 08:32:56 No games for * (map=minmay crystal box). 08:33:17 aww 08:39:22 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:40:35 It's quite new. 08:41:08 minmay's maps are indeed cool, can't wait - s/he promised branch ends. 08:42:03 by: Mind if I put the "EV chars with insane AC" ideas into brainstorm:misc:defense? 08:43:56 go ahead! 08:44:03 always good when this happens 08:44:04 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 08:46:50 ev chars with insane ac? 08:47:48 Okay, added. 08:50:45 doy: 41! 08:50:52 ? 08:51:07 I had 41 with Ozocubu's on my DEWz win. 08:51:45 Okay, so the wand was at 15 but the trove would only let me enter once it was identified. 08:55:45 ozo's isn't that useful now though 08:55:57 Can we get a Dispel Magic spell for monsters to wipe out Haste and Deflect Missiles? :] 08:56:32 that has basically been on the to-do forever 08:56:37 Keskitalo: definitely a good idea 08:56:48 it's one of the things I think should be addressed 08:56:52 Also, could just lose those spells (and bump repel missiles to 4) 08:56:58 also feel free to entirely reformat the page 08:57:22 (I was replying to the wiki thing, but dispel magic also sounds good) 08:57:30 The page is good, I just added to the end, since it's a separate issue 08:57:37 making glow more variable would help a bit 08:57:50 so you could get yellow glow just by hasting yourself once 08:58:35 Yes, I agree. I watched out for Glow, but in the end I could pretty much DMsl+Haste+Regen+Ozocubu's+... myself quite freely.. I think I lost one good mutation and got -1 str from the glow all in all. 08:59:11 And as even DMSl or Haste **alone** are extremely good, being able to have both all the time is a lot. 08:59:48 currently basically the only way to get enough glow for magical explosions to occur is by being a mummy or getting red glow from a zot trap 08:59:48 monster ranged to-hit is insane, though, so RMsl/DMsl are currently vital 09:00:12 What happens to mummies? 09:00:14 it would be good if lots of things gave a bit of glow, yes 09:00:33 eh, is there anything that gives extra glow to mummies? 09:00:33 Those lower level self-enchantments could clearly give more. 09:00:39 well I suppose mummies aren't any more likely to glow 09:00:58 but they might not care about glow all that much since it mostly just rots them 09:01:00 ghouls can ignore glow totally 09:01:02 they do take more damage from the explosions 09:01:30 by the way, magical explosions look really play on tiles 09:01:35 just plain white clouds 09:01:52 while ascii explosions are colorful and pretty 09:01:57 plain* 09:02:48 pseudonut's GhFE all-runer that mollified ten gods was ridiculously powerful partly because he could haste and controlled teleport around without any glow worries 09:07:32 syllogism: I put the explosion/cloud thing on the tiles improvement page, thanks 09:25:19 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 09:25:39 Morning 09:28:09 Morning! I have Demonic Guardian in my current game, and it's swee-et. 09:28:27 (the way it appears with tension) 09:34:01 marvinpa has lair entrance inside the orc castle vault, is that intended? 09:39:20 Cryp71c: ^ :) 09:45:45 Keskitalo, thanks, good to hear. 09:47:37 Keskitalo: still, if you think it could be improved, tell us. (Too many DGs, or too strong, etc.) 09:51:58 DG 3 is clearly overpowered when you get it in lair 09:52:08 elliptic: aha 09:52:24 elliptic: would simply getting later do it? Is it still overpowered in the endgame? 09:54:01 n78 was saying he had demonic guardian 1 until level 21, so it was pretty useless most of the game 09:54:12 it is certainly less overpowered later on but DG 3 still trivializes nearly all uniques 09:54:19 frederick and such 09:54:28 so it would make sense for muts like that to scale more sensibly instead of being entirely random 09:54:50 it was mostly useless in extended endgame when I had it but that may partly be because I was spamming refrigeration 09:55:00 so I usually killed my own guardian 09:56:06 one issue with DG is that there is a huge jump in power between the various levels 09:57:42 really, it would make sense for all muts to scale like that 09:57:46 yes 09:57:58 you shouldn't be getting level 3 of anything by lair 09:58:34 for most midgame chars, I'd say DG 1 is useless, DG 2 is okay, and DG 3 is ridiculously good 10:03:38 elliptic: but DG 1 is useful early on? 10:03:47 so we need to make level ups less random 10:03:57 yes, definitely 10:03:58 btw, the Ctrl-O screen would befit from reordering 10:04:04 Cryp71c: ^ what do you think? 10:04:10 !seen sorear 10:04:10 I last saw sorear at Wed Aug 4 02:29:48 2010 UTC (1d 12h 34m 22s ago) parting ##crawl with message chanpart. 10:04:18 dpeg: how so? 10:05:23 dpeg, mutation scheduling is my next big project, it needs to be redone. I'm also thinking of bumping DG up to 5 levels and using some 2's and 4's to smooth out the power jumps. 10:05:37 doy: branches first is okay, but in general, annotations are more important than gods 10:05:50 Cryp71c: fiiiiive levels? 10:05:51 :) 10:06:30 it could be gained later and go 4->3->1 or something 10:06:36 annotations are the only variable length part though 10:10:03 dpeg: Yeah, will give feedback. 10:10:32 MarvinPA, well, 5's are still plenty useful early on, no point in needlessly strengthening that. 10:10:52 Agreed on the 5s. 10:10:55 dpeg, :) and yeah, why not? I'd like to get into that, since its an exciting part of being a DS, it wouldn't be more powerful, just more smooth. 10:11:05 yeah, i meant have it so you don't initially get the first level of DG until a higher level 10:11:19 MarvinPA, yeah, I'm planning on redoing scheduling. 10:11:27 MarvinPA: yes, that's we all think, I think 10:11:39 you could also base the class of demon on tension, i.e. DG 1: 5, DG 2: 4, 3, DG 3: 2, 1 10:11:42 currently, the mutations are ordered, but the level ups are very random 10:11:52 by: yes 10:17:52 yeah, having more variety in what demons you get would be good 10:18:09 DG 3 is so strong because you only get balrugs and executioners 10:18:35 both of which are very good at killing individual monsters very quickly 10:19:24 elliptic: we once considered that you could also get middling, but really many demons with DG 3 at high tension. But it's some work to set it all up :) 10:19:44 getting more demons is bad because it makes DG + okawaru even worse 10:19:52 unless that gets changed also, of course 10:19:59 (when is okawaru getting redone?) 10:20:22 elliptic: need more coders :) 10:20:36 and, to be honest, there isn't a clear path to Okawaru yet 10:21:02 But I believe that I could come up with a good concept quickly, if pressed, given that there's a bunch of cool ideas already. 10:22:09 ctrl-dpeg :P 10:22:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:29:21 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:28 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 10:34:36 if someone else comes up with that plan, I wouldn't plan 10:38:29 *complain 10:57:13 Ferret the Grappler (L12 TrHe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 884 failed on turn 19471. (Lair:7) 11:05:14 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:10:56 Hah, caught bazaar and ice cave on the same level =) 11:18:37 !tell Keskitalo Just conquered an icelab (the one with one statue, (death) yaks and bears, where you need to levitate or dig). Was at Elf:6 and too easy for my XL 19 MDFi^Y. 11:18:39 dpeg: OK, I'll let Keskitalo know. 11:22:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:21 man, i'm getting some great artifacts this game 11:23:43 leech, captain's cutlass, salamander hide armour, the spear of Termination (weapon) {pain, rElec MR EV+6} 11:24:05 I was about to ask whether they were morg, vampire's tooth, captain's cutlass, leech, and salamander hide armour 11:24:30 (: 11:24:32 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:06 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:51 Oh, my game is so full of portal vaults :) 11:52:26 hey, my one even 11:58:08 does powered by death affect mp regen? 11:59:26 no 12:00:50 hi - i'm testing the freebsd port of 7.1 and have to say: i love the new tiles! thanks for your work! 12:07:50 blabber: thanks, but mostly console players here :) Glad you like! 12:10:32 Does *TELE actually work? I am wearing an amulet with *Tele for ages and nothing happens. (I also have a ring with *TELE btw, so something seems fishy.) 12:12:36 a standard ring of tele definitely works 12:14:32 yes 12:14:50 ah, it is my fault 12:16:18 !lm dpeg br.enter=icecv -tv:>$ 12:16:18 Keskitalo: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:16:18 2. dpeg, XL19 MDFi, T:72641 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 12:25:23 phew, this game can kill you any moment... 12:27:21 -!- Chapayev has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:39 you used to be able to do you.your_level to get the player's depth in the dungeon, what happened to that function? 12:27:47 it worked in 0.5.1 but it doesn't in master 12:27:58 Chapayev: Hi! No idea. 12:28:01 !seen greensnark 12:28:03 !seen by 12:28:03 dpeg: hello! 12:28:14 I last saw greensnark at Thu Aug 5 06:36:51 2010 UTC (10h 51m 22s ago) saying Also thats a nice battle for first place going on ##crawl-dev. 12:28:14 I last saw by at Thu Aug 5 15:11:39 2010 UTC (2h 16m 35s ago) saying you could also base the class of demon on tension, i.e. DG 1: 5, DG 2: 4, 3, DG 3: 2, 1 on ##crawl-dev. 12:30:41 Chapayev: it might be named absdepth0 now, cf. bbe824de9 12:30:57 RjY: i just came to the same guess :) testing it now 12:32:01 i dug up the patches i made for 0.5.1 to do really insane level generation, i'm porting them to master now :) 12:34:06 Chapayev: Level generation? Sounds excellent already. 12:34:26 dpeg: The dead end was unintentional, fixing it.. 12:34:36 dpeg: Yeah, far too easy. 12:35:09 My plan is that the frost giant maps will only appear in via earlier portals. 12:35:38 I'm here 12:35:58 03Keskitalo * r58983fa05602 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/icecave.des: Fix a dead end in an ice cave. (dpeg) 12:37:53 Keskitalo: yeah, i wrote some patches that do level generation by trying to fill the entire level with vaults, rivers, lakes, etc. 12:40:17 Sounds nice! 12:44:58 by: seems the issue is already solved. Sorry! 12:48:17 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:48:45 TILES: Animated altar of Xom (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2196) by coolio 12:50:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:27 I see n78291 reclaimed the lead 12:53:18 the 4 streak of MarvinPA broke :( 12:53:23 :( 12:53:47 it's whoever is responsible for rupert's fault :P 12:53:49 MarvinPA: evil Rupert 12:54:04 also my fault for not immediately running as far away as possible, but ah well :) 12:54:18 rupert is truly evil 12:54:21 !lg hyperbolic 12:54:22 579. hyperbolic the Reanimator (L12 KeWn), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by Rupert (a +4,+4 dwarven great mace of holy wrath) on Lair:6 on 2010-07-17, with 22677 points after 16857 turns and 1:16:16. 12:54:22 MarvinPA: I am thrilled to see all the streaks materialise. This means we can happily nerf ahead :) 12:54:29 i'm pretty proud of 4, my best was a streak of 2 in the past 12:54:30 haha 12:54:59 Many of those later uniques have so funny names, I never recall which are the outright evil ones. But lately, they've become all pretty evil, it seems. 12:55:20 !lg * t killer=uniq s=ckiller 12:55:20 1185 games for * (t killer=uniq): 258x Sigmund, 111x Terence, 109x Ijyb, 86x Crazy Yiuf, 72x Jessica, 66x Duvessa, 63x Blork, 58x Prince Ribbit, 36x Menkaure, 34x Dowan, 30x Edmund, 25x Pikel, 17x Erolcha, 16x Rupert, 15x Gastronok, 14x poisonous meat, 13x giant spore, 12x Nessos, 12x Agnes, 11x Joseph, 11x Grinder, 9x Nikola, 9x Purgy, 9x Aizul, 7x Psyche, 7x Jozef, 7x Maurice, 5x Harold, 5x Norb... 12:55:30 there's a few unremarkable ones still imo 12:55:34 MarvinPA: sure 12:55:44 but it is much better than it used to be 12:55:45 but yeah, lots more very interesting and dangerous ones now 12:55:52