00:03:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:02 -!- jld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:59 foul pestilence rots you through life+++ now? 00:10:01 laaaame 00:10:03 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:21 doy: it's been that way since 0.5 I think 00:35:23 or maybe 0.6 00:35:32 wasn't that way in 0.5 00:35:37 i didn't play much 0.6 00:52:29 oh come *on* 00:52:53 !log 00:52:54 802. doy, XL27 DDBe, T:91739: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/doy/morgue-doy-20100802-055218.txt 00:53:22 yeah, that was stupidity on my part 00:53:37 swapped my ring of cold res for a ring of fire to fight an orb 00:53:42 sigh 01:12:24 !tell DrPraetor Yeah, no BH nerf in 0.7 - I got convinced that Ice Form should be nerfed too ;) To be serious, I (personally) started feeling the existing spells should be looked at together, though the ring thing still feels good to me. Thanks for the discussion there, again! 01:12:25 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let DrPraetor know. 01:12:53 !tell dpeg Clan name change ok, go ahead! 01:12:53 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 01:15:54 What's wrong with Singularity? 01:19:47 under crawl variant on the tracker.. shouldn't there be a "all versions" option under variant? 01:19:51 die: *shrug* I think someone wanted to change it. 01:20:08 Devastating typo there. :D 01:20:19 yeah i noticed lol 01:20:31 but its done! 01:20:43 * due dies. 01:20:51 nooooo 01:25:45 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:09 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:19 Implement player profiles with achievements/challenges/scoring for offline play (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2171) by purge 01:59:19 is it at all possible that unrandart spawn percantages are messed up? it seems like people are regularly finding the same randart. morg for instance recently and now the salamander armour 01:59:32 patch to make LCS be a spear of returning again: http://rjy.ath.cx/stuff/0001-artefacts-restore-Lehudib-s-Crystal-Spear-s-returni.patch 01:59:36 i have no data to back this up at all :p just a strange observation 02:02:29 eith: I doubt it. 02:02:40 eith: More likely it's just that there are more people playing and people have a tendedncy to note unrands. 02:03:11 yea, most likely 02:04:16 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:53 -!- GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSleeper 02:15:20 good morning ##crawl-dev 02:15:37 good evening 02:15:45 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:37 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:30:45 good morning ##by-dev. 02:37:48 -!- eyhung has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:31 the interface really doesn't want you to kill the poor helpless ely quokka 02:42:13 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:43:58 by: kill it kill it! :D 02:51:29 of course 02:52:43 ... wtf? 02:52:49 a - [D:3] a runed troll leather armour {=p} b - [D:3] a runed troll leather armour {=p} 02:53:04 oh, same aermour. 02:53:07 ??troll leather armour 02:53:07 troll leather armour[1/2]: Speeds your regeneration, but also makes you hungry. All races can wear this. 4AC, -1EV. Light. Does not work on trolls or deep dwarves. 03:03:15 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Quit: Fangorn_] 03:03:21 * kilobyte ponders the immense number of commits to the trunk in the last two days. 03:05:19 wasn't it made heavy? 03:05:42 * ortoslon joins kilobyte 03:06:59 I kind of recall it used to be heavy, then became light, and now there's no distinction anymore. 03:06:59 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:07:16 kilobyte: that sounds right 03:07:42 and -1EV means very little spell penalty, so it kind of counts as one 03:08:20 I just remember putting it on my MfCr in 0.4 and not being able to cast ozocubus armour 03:13:43 Hmm, what does OA check now then? AC? EV? 03:14:04 hard-coded list IIRC 03:14:33 in 0.5 it was still heavy, it became light in pre-0.6 trunk but never made it into any stable release before the distinction got removed 03:15:19 player_effectively_in_light_armour, he he 03:16:17 Looks to me it checks the evasion penalty, which can be up to -1. (But then the troll armour would have to work.) 03:17:02 what is OA? 03:17:12 ozocubu's armour 03:23:22 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36:48 !wins 78291 03:37:24 !wins 03:37:31 !won 03:37:32 Napkin has won twice in 520 games (0.38%): 1xHEFE 1xTrBe 03:37:37 !won 78291 03:37:37 Napkin has not won in 110 games since their TrBe (win #2). 03:37:44 !won @78291 03:37:44 !won !78291 03:37:45 78291 has won 273 times in 4358 games (6.26%): 3xDSBe 3xDSCK 3xDrTm 3xHONe 2xDSCj 2xDSCr 2xDSDK 2xDSFi 2xDSIE 2xDSRe 2xDSTm 2xDSVM 2xDrAE 2xDrIE 2xDrMo 2xHERe 2xHOCr 2xHODK 2xHOHu 2xHOPr 2xHaAs 2xHuHe 2xMDFi 2xMfWz 2xNaFE 2xNaSt 2xSpBe 2xSpEn 1xCeCK 1xCeDK 1xCeEE 1xCeFi 1xCeNe 1xCePr 1xCeTh 1xCeWn 1xDDCK 1xDDCj 1xDDDK 1xDDEE 1xDDVM 1xDDWn 1xDEAs 1xDECK 1xDEEn 1xDEFE 1xDEMo 1xDEPa 1xDERe 1xDETh 1xD... 03:37:45 Malformed argument: 78291 03:37:58 !won !78291 when=t 03:37:58 Malformed argument: 78291 03:38:00 ah, thanks :) 03:38:02 !won @78291 when=t 03:38:03 78291 (when=t) has won once in 11 games (9.09%): 1xSpEn 03:38:08 Only once? Odd. 03:44:07 03kilobyte * r3b4e933cb7e3 10/crawl-ref/source/player-equip.cc: Fix reversed logic for removing randarts with +Lev. 03:44:08 03kilobyte * rb333edd0838a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc player-equip.cc player.cc player.h): On removing +Lev items, cancel levitation only if that was the last one. 03:45:04 strange read-id of ?recharging on full wand (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2172) by rob 04:08:25 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 04:25:47 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:42 due: It was a huge win, though. 04:30:41 True. 04:32:49 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:01 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:55 -!- eyhung_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:04 -!- eyhung has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:05 -!- eyhung_ is now known as eyhung 05:36:13 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:55 syllogism: Why don't you do some speedruns for fastest win :P 05:43:14 Just to shake things up at the top :P 05:45:17 greensnark: Why don't you win some ogres. 05:45:28 "some" 05:45:34 It takes me two weeks to win one game :P 05:46:09 greensnark: I was doing them but I'm a bit too suicidal :P 05:46:21 !lm syllogism rune=barnacled 05:46:21 13. [2010-08-01] syllogism the Infuser (L10 SpEn) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 5421. (Shoals:5) 05:46:42 -!- Moriasc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:54 Sorry, that was just Windows XP failign to report that my computer was about to shut down. 05:46:56 Yes, I saw the lowest XL rune thing :) 05:46:59 !lm syllogism when=t s=rune type=rune x=turn 05:47:00 Extra fields (turn) contain non-aggregates 05:47:07 that wasn't a lowest XL rune thing, but a speedrun :P 05:47:11 And my IRC client moving to the wrong tab- apologies 05:47:12 !lm syllogism when=t s=rune x=turn 05:47:13 Extra fields (turn) contain non-aggregates 05:47:13 Oh :P 05:47:26 Use x=min(turn) 05:47:30 !lm syllogism when=t s=rune x=min(turn) 05:47:31 2 milestones for syllogism (when=t): 1x barnacled [5421], 1x slimy [3636] 05:47:40 If you use s= all x= have to be aggregate functions 05:48:14 Nice timing on the barnacled rune 05:48:30 Too bad about the javelineer, but thanks for the Shoals splat :) 05:49:19 Is stabwound going to be playing much? He seems to be playing 30 mins a day :( 05:49:23 !lg * t place=shoals|swamp|snake s=br 05:49:24 23 games for * (t place=shoals|swamp|snake): 9x Swamp, 8x Snake, 6x Shoals 05:49:29 cabal is falling behind 05:49:40 Aw Shoals :( 05:49:43 !lg * t killer=spriggan druid s=kaux 05:49:44 No games for * (t killer=spriggan druid) 05:49:48 :( 05:49:56 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:50:05 Amusing how the Swamp keeps getting kills 05:50:08 -!- Moriasc_ is now known as Moriasc 05:50:11 !lg * t Swamp s=ckiller 05:50:12 9 games for * (t Swamp): 2x a hydra simulacrum, 1x Agnes, 1x Aizul, 1x a cyan very ugly thing, 1x a hydra, 1x an electric eel, 1x Margery, 1x Wayne 05:50:29 !lg * t place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq s=br 05:50:30 16 games for * (t place=snake|swamp|shoals killer!=uniq): 7x Snake, 5x Swamp, 4x Shoals 05:50:51 !lm * t place=snake|swamp|shoals s=br 05:50:52 600 milestones for * (t place=snake|swamp|shoals): 216x Snake, 201x Swamp, 183x Shoals 05:50:55 I haven't played much recently. 05:51:06 !lg * killer=~spriggan 05:51:07 Poor Shoals is always the least visited branch :P 05:51:07 7. BlueAnna the Thaumaturge (L10 DEWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, blasted by a spriggan druid (angry trees) on Lair:1 (kilobyte rumbling trees) on 2010-07-29, with 5139 points after 13597 turns and 1:43:24. 05:51:12 Nice. 05:51:24 greensnark: let's guess why 05:51:42 Players have a deplorable reluctance to die :P 05:51:47 I call that unsporting 05:51:50 -!- Moriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 05:52:14 The Shoals entrance should suck in anyone within 8 squares of it and seal until the player has the rune :P 05:52:19 Same deal for Snake and Swamp :P 05:52:25 Then we'll see some better stats :P 05:52:29 Amirite 06:01:21 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:28 -!- Moriasc has quit [Client Quit] 06:23:34 why does this HuPa ghost have sticky flame :P 06:23:50 Some questions are best left unasked :P 06:23:59 I see by is going for Lord of Darkness <3 06:24:15 Very apposite character too 06:24:55 !lg Pushpabon 06:24:55 222. Pushpabon the Cleaver (L12 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by a storm dragon (bolt of lightning) in Hell (vestibule of hell mu) on 2010-08-02, with 19574 points after 19212 turns and 2:30:13. 06:24:58 !lm Pushpabon 06:24:59 271. [2010-08-02] Pushpabon the Cleaver (L12 MDBe) entered the Vestibule of Hell on turn 19207. (D:12) 06:25:46 hell mu claims a victim 06:25:57 I tried going for that, and indeed, it's not the best idea. xl12 at the Vestibule is not an accident. 06:26:00 Napkin: What does LCJ stand for! 06:26:55 Crystal Jelly? 06:27:16 :) 06:27:41 !lg * t lvl>1 map!= s=map 06:27:42 148 games for * (t lvl>1 map!=): 16x uniq crazy yiuf cottage, 7x minmay sewer w, 4x minmay sewer treatment, 4x lemuel castle, 4x bailey polearm 2, 3x sewer kobolds, 3x lemuel flame loot 1, 3x jiyva altar 1, 3x forest paths, 2x hall of Zot, 2x lemuel hellish altar, 2x labyrinth mini lab, 2x minmay ossuary tomb 2a, 2x tgw trog, 2x ossuary tomb 1, 2x lemuel old faithful, 2x minivault 26, 2x temple ga... 06:28:02 That minmay sewer is awesome 06:28:22 Lichtscheue Consolen Junkies ;> 06:28:24 Moin! 06:29:20 Hehe 06:29:20 <3 Yiuf 06:29:37 more than double the second contender 06:30:53 !lg * t map=minmay sewer w -tv 06:30:53 7. Phantom, XL6 DEVM, T:3649 requested for FooTV. 06:32:19 !lg * t map=minmay sewer w -2 -tv 06:32:20 6. orbekk, XL6 DEWz, T:4150 requested for FooTV. 06:34:26 that one was close 06:34:32 !lg * t map=minmay sewer w s=killer 06:34:33 7 games for * (t map=minmay sewer w): 5x a giant frog, 1x a snake, 1x a grey rat 06:37:59 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:50 -!- eith has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:51 -!- kilobyte has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:52 -!- Keskitalo has quit [*.net *.split] 06:40:53 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:55 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:14 !lg team_nerfkele 06:46:15 No games for team_nerfkele. 06:47:18 is it really necessary that bushes have 30AC and over 100 hp :p 06:50:41 -!- eith_ is now known as eith 06:52:18 no 06:59:54 heh 07:11:53 due you just killed me :p 07:12:29 crap, I'm accidentally playing 0.8 :p 07:13:32 there should be not only a bigass warning, for unaware oafs like me there should be a whole blinking red screen 07:13:38 and there's not a single word 07:14:07 then just I find a trove that wants an item straight on and I start to suspect something... 07:14:48 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:19 !whereis itsmu 07:16:21 itsmu the Reanimator (L13 DDNe), a worshipper of Makhleb, dead on Lair:8 on 2010-08-02 after 26763 turns. 07:16:26 What! 07:16:29 Streak :( 07:16:34 !lg itsmu 07:16:35 272. itsmu the Reanimator (L13 DDNe), worshipper of Makhleb, slain by a dire elephant on Lair:8 (jungle book) on 2010-08-02, with 42810 points after 26763 turns and 2:11:27. 07:16:40 Bad due 07:16:46 underestimated the dire elephants 07:16:54 due is sabotaging the team score :( 07:17:14 * kilobyte claps. 07:17:19 <3 due! 07:17:45 stop thinking like player, think like a dev! Death = good. 07:17:52 s/player/a player/ 07:18:05 Not during the tournament :P 07:18:11 It's good for other people, of course 07:20:17 greensnark: are our DGL sources publicly visible? 07:20:29 Yes, Napkin has a repo 07:20:44 http://git.develz.org/?p=dgamelaunch.git;a=summary 07:20:52 git://git.develz.org/dgamelaunch.git 07:20:54 kthx 07:21:20 permission to use \e[7m or whatever the blink code was? :p 07:21:45 No :P 07:21:51 fortunately, gnome terminal doesn't obey that 07:22:09 Just get Napkin to put the tourney-eligible game above the rest 07:22:13 and putty shows that with a different background instead of 07:22:14 That should be a menu edit 07:22:30 Perhaps with the name "Tourney Crawl" or whatever 07:23:08 pardon? 07:23:19 when you log in, you press 1p reflexively, a written message won't work 07:23:26 Napkin: Can you put 0.7 first? 07:23:38 kilobyte: Yes, putting 0.7 first will fix that 07:23:40 a big fat eye-gouging red frame probably has a chance 07:23:43 in the menu? 07:23:47 Napkin: Yes 07:23:51 how come? 07:23:58 Players keep starting trunk games and realing around the Lair that they're not in the tournament :) 07:24:06 doooh 07:24:07 *realising 07:24:28 that's... 07:26:21 and now you'll get people pressing "2p"... 07:26:57 The hotkeys are configurable, so Napkin could disable (2) for the duration of the tourney :) 07:28:07 Louise is doing a pretty good job of blocking by's OOD :P 07:28:49 <3 Louise 07:28:59 i'd rather prefer to disable 1 07:29:01 He just switched to bolt of fire instead :( 07:29:07 you guys ok with that? 07:29:07 Napkin: Ok, that works too :) 07:29:24 Can you also set the default P)lay action from the toplevel to go to 0.7? 07:29:29 keep all, but have t/T for trunk 07:29:42 Napkin: Sounds good 07:29:54 I was thinking about that - but I bet it would confuse the current players 07:30:17 and the "1p" players from CAO don't know about P/S 07:30:18 Well, there aren't many players playing trunk right now 07:30:50 Napkin: The menu shows the P) shortcut. At least I used to use it :P 07:31:04 i do too, for trunk though ;) 07:35:05 ok, done, greensnark 07:35:45 Napkin: Awesome, thanks :) 07:40:39 t/T -> trunk, p/P/2 -> 0.7.1, s/S -> Sprint 0.7.1 07:55:25 I use P for trunk, for what it's worth. 07:55:31 Or well, p, as I'm lazy. 08:09:38 Sorry, Zao 08:09:50 for the time being it's "tp" 08:18:43 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:38 Napkin: I would probably not have noticed much difference anyway at this point in time. 08:20:56 Napkin: Heck, I thought that trunk was part of the tourney :) 08:22:06 well, continue using "p" then :) 08:22:13 participate! :D 08:37:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:07:32 -!- GrimmSleeper is now known as GrimmSweeper 09:13:27 Rock worms are a great monster. 09:19:16 kilobyte: FR: small halo for giant fireflies, as an EV counter :> 09:19:42 +1 09:22:46 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:15 curse you crawl! why do I get my best game since months when I should be doing something different! 09:28:12 @whereis bhaak 09:28:13 bhaak the Grappler (L10 TrBe), a worshipper of Trog, saved on D:11 on 2010-08-02 after 8271 turns. 09:28:29 Apparently you work best when you should be doing something different 09:29:01 saved after killing my first 11-headed hydra 09:38:49 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:12 zipcode got lucky with abyss :P 09:42:42 btw, I'm missing the 'Best NetHack Developer' trophy 09:46:51 has crypt level layout changed 09:51:02 Crypt levelgen hasn't changed yet 09:51:12 ok 09:54:01 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:41 how many different dungeon layout generators are there in crawl? 10:06:22 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:56 greensnark: about that Ely banner fix: did you mean to remove the requirement that the god couldn't be a starting god? 10:07:00 if not, then the description is still incorrect 10:12:34 That was never an actual requirement, the wording was broken from last year 10:16:29 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:28 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:38 !gamesby * t 10:18:38 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:18:38 * (t) has played 3784 games, between 20100801 and 20100802, won 13 (0.3%), high score 33336361, total score 86345986, total turns 13957231, total time 1083:39:04. 10:19:02 This does not count CDO wins, it seems? 10:19:04 !messages 10:19:05 (1/1) Keskitalo said (9h 6m 12s ago): Clan name change ok, go ahead! 10:19:51 !gamesby * t cdo 10:19:52 * (t cdo) has played 637 games, between 20100801 and 20100802, won 1 (0.2%), high score 1357204, total score 3134585, total turns 1718215, total time 127:05:34. 10:20:06 !lg * won t cdo 10:20:07 1. MarvinPA the Spry (L25 DDNe), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-08-01, with 1357204 points after 96464 turns and 8:07:11. 10:20:39 I should add a line to the CAO frontpage saying CDO GAMES ARE OK FOR TOURNEY, OMG STOP ASKING OR I WILL SHOOT YOU 10:20:42 greensnark: awesome! But complex enough to need a cribsheet :) (Do you say so?) 10:21:21 Yeah, it needs documentation :) 10:22:14 !whereis itsmu 10:22:36 greensnark: a bunch of examples on the wiki page might even suffice 10:22:47 greensnark: I'm actually rather furious that you removed the requirement of converting in-game, given that it's so hard for gods like Beogh 10:22:58 I did not remove anything 10:23:02 well, no 10:23:05 The Pantheon banner code is unchanged from last year 10:23:13 itsmu the Charlatan (L7 MDAr), a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, dead in Abyss on 2010-08-02 after 6377 turns. 10:23:36 but you had an interesting requirement that I spent days getting, and it turned out to be a mistake with the /actual/ requirement just requiring lots of boring diving to Temple then suiciding 10:24:27 sorry, I'm just a bit annoyed 10:24:41 That's fine, but excuse me if I'm not in a mood to be sympathetic 10:27:36 !lg ais523 t x=cdist(god) 10:27:36 153 games for ais523 (t): cdist(god)=17 10:34:28 ais523: there was a proposal to change how the god banner works and it may come in the future. It was too much work to implement in this year. 10:34:37 hmm, perhaps 10:34:40 at least having to dive to Orc and to find the Abyss and a Jiyva altar is an interesting requirement 10:34:49 which probably nobody else will meet this tournament, because there's no reason to 10:35:10 someone definitely will 10:35:14 but then, I suppose I'm the only person who actually enjoys startscumming centaur warpers in an attempt to miscast my way to the abyss, then survive it long enough to get an altar 10:35:20 ais523: my proposal demanded ***** piety with every god. 10:35:27 that's even worse, really 10:35:35 if you aren't interested in playing the game, sure 10:35:39 :) 10:35:50 that just implies scumming for longer 10:36:02 that's nonsensical 10:36:15 greensnark: CDO clearly says at the top "This server is co-hosting the Aug 2010 Crawl tournament." 10:36:29 syllogism: don't worry 10:38:10 if you have to suicide 17 times to get a banner, it's annoying to have to wait all the way for ***** piety first 10:38:24 ais523: you could, you know, actually play the game 10:38:45 nothing about the banner requires suiciding 10:38:56 well, optimal play requires 0 piety and 0 runes by the time you win 10:39:10 as there's no reason not to spend it to gain a slightly higher chance of survival on the way up, not to mention in zot itself 10:39:42 optimal play requires winning every game, actually 10:39:45 so if you want to end on ***** piety, you have to play suboptimally; if you just want the banner, best play is to suicide the instant you reach ***** to avoid the risk of dipping back below 10:39:56 what? 10:40:00 syllogism: I'm talking about maximising your odds of winning 10:40:06 you drop the runes on the way up to save weight 10:40:11 ...what 10:40:13 no that wastes a turn 10:40:15 or sacrifice them to Nemelex, to save weight and gain piety 10:40:16 why do i even bother 10:40:24 doy: no idea! 10:40:25 (although I think that's been fixed now) 10:40:46 ais523: The proposal meant that you get the god (for this banner's purpose) if you reach ***** once. 10:40:51 hmm, that's better 10:41:15 Nice new banners page! 10:41:57 Heh, New York Times has a review of Starcraft 2 10:42:24 do they have an article on crawl tourney, too? 10:42:27 I actually ended up buying that due to it being 50% off with free delivery 10:42:37 of course, it still hasn't arrived :P 10:42:38 by: Crawl's too cool for them 10:42:47 syllogism: SC2? 10:42:50 yes 10:43:04 I just took the digital download, it's easier than physical shipping or going to the store 10:43:17 Last time I went to buy a game I was surrounded by people less than half my age and felt very old :P 10:43:23 I got that too and a guest pass so I've played a bit :P 10:43:34 are you 50? :P 10:43:41 31 :P 10:43:54 I imagine a lot of the community is in their 20s 10:44:19 I guess, but most Indians I see playing are in their teens 10:44:36 I suppose the original wasn't a big hit over there 10:44:48 Well, there weren't many computers around at the time :) 10:44:59 I played the original, but only after I landed my first job :P 10:45:02 which reminds me, is abandoning a god and instantly reconverting to them supposed to leave them angry? Either the anger disappeared for no reason, or the interface implied there was no anger when there was 10:45:05 and I'm not sure which is the bug 10:45:11 or if there's a bug there 10:45:26 it does mollify them 10:45:29 it's somewhat abusable 10:45:30 Gods forgive you if they rejoin. That's always felt unsatisfactory to me, but it's intentional 10:45:36 ah, OK 10:45:42 Yeah, Lugonu has a special case because I found it quite odious :P 10:45:46 at least that explains why you can't rejoin Lugonu 10:45:48 But it should be more general 10:46:28 with okawaru you could sit at an altar and just farm the wrath spawns :P 10:46:37 I thought that was fixed? 10:46:44 they don't give xp anymore no 10:47:00 some god wrath minions still do 10:47:58 -!- syllogism has quit [] 10:51:28 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:32 -!- ais523 has left ##crawl-dev 10:55:51 -!- GrimmSweeper has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:55:51 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:53 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSweeper 11:01:22 -!- Siber2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:23 -!- Siber has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:07:32 are CDO and CAO user names supposed to be synced? 11:09:10 They are not synced 11:18:02 hmm, there was a problem with logging into CAO, looks like my account vanished. I must have had one as there are games recorded for CAO. But creating a new account was no problem 11:19:12 -!- eyhung has left ##crawl-dev 11:19:15 !lg bhaak cao 11:19:15 No games for bhaak (cao). 11:19:24 You have games recorded for cao? 11:19:57 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/bhaak.html shows a different first game than http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring-alpha/players/bhaak.html 11:20:10 Oh, that's stable and alpha version scoring 11:20:19 Both of those pages include CAO and CDO games 11:20:29 Except that CAO has no alpha versions 11:20:38 ah 11:20:50 alpha only has alpha games? 11:20:55 or has all games 11:21:00 then I probably didn't have a CAO account 11:21:01 Yes, alpha is only alpha games from CDO 11:22:43 Eustachio is not threatening (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2173) by minmay 11:23:07 !whereis greensnark 11:23:09 greensnark the Shatterer (L22 HuFi), a worshipper of Makhleb, quit on Vault:3 on 2010-07-24 after 89057 turns. 11:23:21 greensnark: quitter?! 11:23:28 @whereis greensnark 11:23:28 greensnark the Firebug (L9 GhFE), a worshipper of Vehumet, saved on Lair:1 on 2010-08-01 after 14500 turns. 11:23:50 maybe he wanted to have a clean cao account for the tourney 11:24:14 That cao quit was accidental, I was testing 0.7 and quit that instead of the test account 11:24:22 Not that it mattered, I hadn't touched the character in weeks :P 11:24:39 Was only a human anyway. 11:24:55 That was just to see how hard heavy armoured starts in 0.6 were 11:25:01 Answer: pretty hard :) 11:33:55 greensnark: is it easier in 0.7? :) 11:40:45 i played a heavy armour ddbe, didn't seem that bad 11:41:52 cool 11:44:52 On my near-win DSFi, I thought the D:1 plate mail was too easy to pick up. But then, Fi have some Armour skill to start with, that might be ok. 11:49:49 doy: cbus says he isn't playing this year 11:50:19 doy: May I point out that clouded/st_ is not in a team currently? :) 11:50:42 !lg highhope 11:50:42 26. highhope the Covered (L4 MDFi), slain by an ice beast on D:9 on 2010-05-21, with 206 points after 3375 turns and 0:20:16. 11:50:43 !lg highhope3 11:50:44 6. highhope3 the Devastator (L27 HEWz), worshipper of The Shining One, blasted by a Daeva (divine providence) (summoned by the player character) on Tomb:2 on 2010-08-02, with 569555 points after 169407 turns and 24:11:38. 11:52:28 That sounds tragic. 11:54:19 Hi Eino! 12:01:47 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:02 a zot trap made all his angels hostile and he didn't notice 12:04:08 he even hasted one of them 12:06:51 Hi dpeg! I've got a decent DEWz going. 12:12:10 !whereis keskitalo 12:12:12 Keskitalo the Skirmisher (L7 HuFi), a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, dead on D:6 on 2010-04-16 after 7312 turns. 12:12:17 @whereis keskitalo 12:12:17 Keskitalo the Destroyer (L16 DEWz), a worshipper of Vehumet, is currently on Swamp:1 after 56799 turns. 12:12:29 @whereis dpeg 12:12:29 dpeg the Ogre Mage (L13 OgVM), a worshipper of Fedhas, saved on D:13 on 2010-08-02 after 34003 turns. 12:12:43 Keskitalo: keep it up! 12:14:19 Anybody knows the meaning of "GWJ Lair or bust"? (A clan name.) 12:15:36 Tack another death up to hitting l one too many times in Slime. 12:15:46 Cryp71c: wall death? 12:15:51 dpeg, yep. 12:16:18 I don't care what anyone says, that's the dumbest mechanic in the game right now, imo. 12:16:21 Cryp71c: I am sure we can keep the mechanic while avoiding such deaths. 12:16:28 E.g. by making wall damage build up over time. 12:16:37 dpeg, Its fine the way it is...just take it off Slime:1-5 12:16:41 There is no reason for it to be on it. 12:16:48 Cryp71c: there is 12:17:01 I don't follow. 12:17:02 people lure the RJ to Slime:5, dig a tunnel and kill it cheaply. 12:17:09 Confine the RJ to 6 then. 12:17:21 Idk. 12:17:27 Or mechanic change. 12:17:33 Building damge won't work either 12:17:44 Unless you make the reset timer on it really big 12:17:53 so that you can't just leave the tunnel, wait around, then go back in. 12:18:01 and continue fighting the RJ 12:18:14 That was going to be my first tourney win too.. 12:18:21 alright, leaving in peace now. 12:21:26 there are all sorts of places where you can die by pressing l one too many times 12:21:31 not really sure why this one is special 12:23:20 doy, its not particularly special, but its incredibly more likely than other situations where typos result in deaths, unless you ignore slime alltogether, which is a terrible "solution." 12:23:42 doy, also, the amount of damage scaling with amour slots is terribly problematic for SP, in general, I find. 12:23:50 missing armour slots* 12:23:58 sp get 60% damage only due to fast movement speed 12:24:18 !lg Cryp71c -tv 12:24:19 2155. Delphic, XL22 SpEn, T:78593 requested for FooTV. 12:24:27 by, I wasn't aware it took into account movement speed, that's quite clever. 12:24:54 Cryp71c: I have done Slime with acidic walls (even the old ones). It makes you play the branch in a different way, which was the plan. En passent, it solves the RJ abuse. 12:25:13 RJ? 12:25:17 Royal Jelly 12:25:21 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:26 Oh, hiding in walls. 12:25:51 !log Cryp71c 12:25:52 2155. Delphic, XL22 SpEn, T:78593: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.7/Delphic/morgue-Delphic-20100802-171439.txt 12:26:07 yööjitrezusymfdgleari60ßq6850ß6qaj057zß4q5705u57e8ee 12:26:10 6trozugjwrtsüwzuo5u690w45uer5tuj465 12:26:11 by, in retrospect, it would appear it wasn't even a typo, I guess my right hand just hit my l key 12:26:12 rtozuj49075rzwiü5r 12:26:19 when I shifted my rist 12:26:21 wrist* 12:26:23 ! 12:26:27 dpeg's cat jumped on his keyboard? :P 12:26:32 you'd have survived if you'd blinked 12:26:41 0.8 release codename? 12:26:50 by, I didn't think it took into account wall damage for placement 12:27:07 !lg Cryp71c 12:27:07 2155. Delphic the Spry (L22 SpEn), worshipper of Okawaru, splashed by acid on Slime:5 on 2010-08-02, with 321697 points after 78593 turns and 6:16:21. 12:27:12 scroll of blinking 12:27:17 ah, ofc. 12:27:41 kids :) 12:27:44 I still maintain the slime walls are awesome, made my two latest trips very exciting. 12:28:51 I was thinking that the walls could pull back when dug/disintegrated, so that each wall dug made all the walls around the square also destroyed. But the walls that were destroyed this way would grow back. 12:29:00 The ones that the actual dig beam hit wouldn't. 12:29:19 that could be interesting 12:30:07 (also, remove Dig as a spell :)) 12:30:20 yes, maybe we really should 12:30:26 johann`s Geheimschrift 12:30:52 Keskitalo: I like that idea, but it'd be more organic with growing walls (which could be used for Slime, but also for another branch). 12:30:59 In any case, this is wiki-worthy stuff. 12:31:17 yes, spells like Dig are always a bit problematic 12:31:29 Would need a "battle dig" escape spell :) 12:31:37 "passwall" 12:31:49 doy: yes, only that you can use passwall just for attacking afaiu 12:33:13 make a level 6 version of passwall that makes it work in a more useful way 12:33:15 you can use it to escape 12:33:27 it's quite useful as is 12:33:34 Passwall is a nice spell, yes 12:33:36 dpeg: try an EE in sprint 1 some time 12:33:56 by, greensnark: great to hear 12:34:06 dpeg: re:growing walls, I think Slime's enviroment is pretty good now (at least should be left in as-is for playing/testing). Growing walls could be interesting, certainly.. 12:34:23 We buffed passwall several version back, but I don't think many players have tried it, so it still has a bad image 12:34:35 But it's really pretty handy now 12:35:36 greensnark: I've seen Erik use it several times (one not so long ago). Always awesome. 12:35:56 Erik actually liked the old version of passwall :) 12:35:58 The new one is better 12:36:03 Keskitalo: yes, this is why I think we could use growing walls for the forest or so. 12:36:06 You can't get interrupted during the passwall merge any more 12:36:13 And the passwall delay is smaller 12:36:18 cool 12:36:28 It's a great little escape / stab spell 12:37:25 yes, unlike dig 12:37:38 !lg * won t s=name 12:37:39 13 games for * (won t): 1x Grimm, 1x casmith789, 1x theglow, 1x 78291, 1x evilmike, 1x elliptic, 1x MarvinPA, 1x itsmu, 1x MrMrMonkey, 1x reid, 1x nmf, 1x beuhler, 1x pointless 12:37:42 dig is also nice, but it may be the wands surfice 12:37:42 which is great, but not as a spell 12:37:54 Nobody has more than one win yet, slow start to the tourney this year 12:38:12 if you have free digging and dig yourself corridors for fights, or to set up passwall stabs 12:38:44 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:46 -!- ortoslon has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:49 dpeg: Yeah, I think kilobyte has ideas along those lines (although more Abyss-like) 12:40:29 Keskitalo: damage building up might enable running through walls in Slime 12:42:05 greensnark: but many more players, which is good 12:43:19 dpeg: Wiki'ed my Slime thoughts 12:43:28 dpeg: Running through walls? 12:43:39 Keskitalo: corridors, sorry 12:43:42 !lg * t x=cdist(name) 12:43:42 4047 games for * (t): cdist(name)=343 12:43:57 !lg * t9 end<20090803 x=cdist(name) 12:43:59 2849 games for * (t9 end<20090803): cdist(name)=235 12:45:03 dpeg: I still don't follow - what damage building up? 12:45:39 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:51 Keskitalo: my answer to Cryp71c when he complained about unfair Slime wall deaths: the damage could build up, for each turn you're adjacent to a Slime wall. 12:46:04 so how long until !lg gets factored out into its own actual query language 12:46:13 Ah, so it would be less if you spend just one turn. 12:47:07 That might make it more interesting (more decisions), but I'm not sure how transparent that would be to the player - messages perhaps? 12:47:09 doy: I have a todo item for that :) 12:47:28 (what does 'cdist' mean, anyway) 12:47:36 back later, dinner 12:47:42 dpeg: Cheers! 12:47:55 doy: count(distinct x) 12:48:02 aha 12:49:33 !lg * x=cdist(killer) 12:49:34 735723 games for *: cdist(killer)=3274 12:50:10 !lg * x=cdist(title) 12:50:11 735723 games for *: cdist(title)=435 12:52:09 -!- Vandal has quit [] 13:28:34 "3274 ways to die and counting" should be in the blurb on the homepage 13:30:23 back 13:32:26 dpeg: Got the decaying rune, going for the barnacled now. :) 13:34:03 Silly submerging monsters, they spot me, then just dive and don't approach. 13:35:44 -!- whig has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 13:36:45 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 13:37:53 Keskitalo: yes, submergers are not annoying anymore, but they're a bit lackluster now. 13:38:07 Aye. 13:38:32 not as annoying 13:39:06 you can get them to the shore by taking one step forward and two steps back over and over 13:40:04 greensnark: should Keskitalo splat for shoals or survive for the team? 13:40:22 They should be more aggressive, that would (probably) make them both more dangerous and less annoying. 13:40:39 Team points now, Shoals splats after tourney 13:41:07 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:23 I think I'll get some honeycombs next, I wanna play with my new IOOD 13:41:41 -!- Siber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:21 -!- Siber2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:43:38 Keskitalo: if you dhave spammals or butterflies or similar, you can desubmerge mobs with that 13:45:08 Ah, that's right! 13:45:16 felirx: Playing in the tourney btw? :) 13:45:55 nah 13:46:19 Aw! 13:47:29 I have my cousin who normally lives in Lindköping/Japan visiting so spending quality time. 13:48:35 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:05 Mu_: enjoyed the fleshworks a lot 13:49:18 good to hear :) 13:50:03 The fleshy orifices are always popular 13:51:40 got a nice amulet rMut AC+7 EV+3 Int+3, too 13:51:51 wowza 13:52:28 that's nuts 13:52:54 would be even better if I could mutate 14:01:21 felirx: Nice - you could start a clan ;) 14:01:59 I had to take a picture of the fleshworks when I visited, and watchers on ##crawl commented too :) 14:03:40 TSO gets mad when I cast corona on a sleeping enemy (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2174) by wesleyshaver 14:08:42 Remove Wz[frost] (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2175) by xyblor 14:08:57 xyblor: do you have any kind of coherent idea for how this should all work? 14:09:25 just removing random bits and pieces of things that look redundant is just going to end up being pretty confusing 14:16:57 poison + air is such a nice combo 14:20:03 doy: I think each individual proposal I've made would be an improvement on its own; the end result will be a lot less confusion than the current background line-up 14:20:52 I kind of wish more people were voicing their opinions on the brainstorm page 14:21:06 xyblor: most people are concentrating on the tournament at the moment i think(: 14:21:12 fair enough 14:24:18 Typical, the perfect amulet in a bazaar, and I can't afford it :P 14:24:25 the amulet "Ruonaveo" {cFly +Rage +Lev rElec} 14:24:54 There's also an EV+6 rC ring I'll have to settle for instead :( 14:25:04 * greensnark mourns in spirit. 14:25:19 greensnark: sell something? 14:25:29 :P 14:25:48 Oh, I killed wolf spider back there 14:25:53 I thought it was a super cockroach 14:25:59 heh 14:26:00 @??wolf spider 14:26:00 wolf spider (16s) | Speed: 15 | HD: 8 | Health: 29-59 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 2004(medium poison) | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 457. 14:26:07 not much difference for a ghoul 14:26:20 "Why isn't it dying?" *stickyflame* "Chunks!" 14:31:52 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:36 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:02 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:06 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:09 Baileys are cool :) 14:48:56 i got the dorokhloe wizlab, i think it'd be cooler if the walls disintegrated over time rather than all at once 14:51:47 greensnark: been reading ##crawl acquirement advice too much? :) 14:51:58 by: Lots of shops this game :) 14:52:04 ok 14:52:11 And I'm still sulking over the bazaar :( 14:52:14 my last gold acquirement was quite disappointing, too 14:52:15 I should have done orc first :( 14:52:36 The Bailey was pretty cool, it'd have been a great fight for a non-brokenly-powerful character like an FE 14:53:05 !cdo 14:53:07 BirdoPrey (L27 @ Vault:8, T:100487), reid (L19 @ Vault:7, T:69523), nht (L18 @ Vault:3, T:39256), Surr (L15 @ D:12, T:27331), dpeg (L14 @ Lair:6, T:39437), Napkin (L13 @ D:12, T:25647), greensnark (L12 @ Orc:2, T:20273), Providence (L11 @ D:11, T:19499), razzo (L11 @ D:11, T:10158), Eifel (L10 @ D:10, T:16852), Sebi (L10 @ D:16, T:17355), Voker57 (L10 @ D:10, T:17146), bhaak (L10 @ D:11, T:8271), rossy (L8 @ D:6, T:4.. 14:53:09 busy 14:53:17 greensnark: bazaar was a fight? 14:53:31 casmith789: That's not what I said :) 14:53:39 oh I read wrong 14:53:43 that makes more sense 14:53:50 bailey -> confusion or get out 14:53:55 pretty much always 14:56:56 I'm getting all these nice classical vaults this game 14:57:09 I want a "cute kitten constantly running over your laptop" banner :/ 14:57:14 casmith789: Sticky flame works well too :) 14:57:33 bhaak: Got pics of this kitten? :) 14:58:22 I crusadered through a bailey recently 14:58:56 greensnark: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amu3113r/sets/72157624107742637/ 15:00:39 bhaak: Cute <3 15:01:02 Your dog is pretty well socialised with cats in general or only your cats? 15:01:39 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:25 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:43 I wonder if dpeg sneezes when he views pictures of cats 15:09:54 greensnark: his birthplace had one cat and then with my $gf and her roommate he got raised as puppy with 4 cats. he find unknown cats interesting, but is too much of a coward to chase a cat that growled at him. so, in effect, good socialised 15:11:24 From what I have seen, it seems like cats usually dominate dogs unless they are a fighting breed 15:11:38 they just whack them in the nose a couple times 15:11:42 bhaak: Nice cats :) 15:12:53 how much was vampiric weapon stabbing nerfed? Wondering if vampire's tooth is worth using for speedrunning 15:13:06 found morg and vampire's tooth on slime 6 :P 15:13:33 -!- mruuuu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:53 syllogism: the amount it heals should now be proportional to the damage actually done, so stabbing a giant should give quite a bit 15:15:08 it used to be that you were healed for the maximal damage you could have done 15:15:40 I'm not sure about the actual factor -- might even be 1 15:16:30 my ghoul is now on D:27 (no Lair, but Orc, Elf, Crypt, V:1-7) and at XL 26 15:16:51 is there too much experience in the game maybe, or is Lair+children small in proportion 15:17:00 !apt gh 15:17:02 Gh: Air: -2, Armour: -1, Axes: -1, Bows: -1, Conj: -2, Xbows: -1, Dodge: -1, Earth: 1, Ench: -2, Evo: -1, Exp: 120, Fighting: 1, Fire: -2, Ice: 1, Inv: 0, Long: -1, Maces: -1, Nec: 0, Poison: 0, Polearms: -1, Shields: -1, Short: -1, Slings: -1, Splcast: -1, Stab: 0, Staves: -1, Stealth: 1, Summ: -1, Throw: -1, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -1, Traps: -1, Unarmed: 1! 15:17:21 gh has the advantage of not being drained 15:17:51 by: i mentioned earlier that i think v:8 has a lot more xp than it used to 15:17:57 not sure if that's actually true or not 15:17:59 but it felt like it 15:23:38 syllogism: should 1d(damage done) 15:23:43 *heal 15:23:59 I believe the bugs were just for player vampires 15:26:21 -!- mruuuu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:18 greensnark: nice EV 15:27:32 by: Ring with +6 and cloak with +4 :) 15:28:09 and some +dex I guess 15:28:32 cause I'm just at 19 with EV+3 15:39:02 with demigods, clearing all 4 normal rune branches fully (and elf, crypt) I never have XL27 before either tomb or zot, so I think that's okay 15:41:12 So Donald apparently has nice fire resistance and a distortion weapon :P 15:41:28 I was jamming keys and only noticed the distortion after he blinked me :P 15:43:23 greensnark: admit you were distracted by his speech 15:46:03 can we not idle on the dgl menu anymore? 15:46:05 kind of annoying 15:47:24 pretty sure it's always had a timeout 15:47:36 20 minutes or something 15:47:45 I used to idle for a really long time 15:47:50 like, the entire day 15:47:58 now it lasts maybe a minute 15:48:21 CDO has an idle killer, but it's a one hour timer 15:51:36 doy: can you change the Dorokhloe lua to that effect? 15:51:44 Ideally, either way could happen... 15:52:33 maybe after the tournament(: i'm not really familiar with how the whole trigger system works 15:53:26 doy: sure :) 15:54:43 !won dpeg t 15:54:44 dpeg (t) has not won in 1 games. 15:54:46 dpeg: :( 15:55:13 doy: You going to get someone else for cabal? :P 15:55:21 Can't do it with 5, you know 15:56:16 st_: so i hear you're clanless 15:58:06 it's true 16:00:04 interested in having a clan? 16:00:04 (: 16:00:44 might aswell :P 16:01:12 welcome aboard 16:01:12 (: 16:03:01 I don't think there's too much xp in the game right now. We've cut levels, shouldn't that have been good for something? 16:03:07 Shoals is an xp hog, though... 16:03:27 dpeg: we've also made other levels harder though, should run some numbers at some point 16:03:33 greensnark has a script for it 16:04:15 should just cut elf to 5 levels 16:07:14 for most characters you will never hit level 27 by just doing the regular 3 rune thing 16:07:19 seems fine to me 16:08:10 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:40 stabwound: yes 16:08:54 258k experience in Vault:1-8 on average 16:09:00 And those with low Exp value deserve going to 27 by that stage. 16:09:23 http://sprunge.us/EcLG 16:09:36 Oklob vault! 16:09:46 Actually new players will usually hit XL 27 by Zot 16:09:56 Because they tend to explore more thoroughly 16:10:02 Assuming they don't perish along the way. 16:10:10 syllogism: vamp healing was nerfed only for Vp; you don't get healed from 10hp to full by stabbing a rat anymore 16:10:12 I know I used to hit XL 27 with DG before Zot when I started playing b26 16:11:01 syllogism: vamp for Vp > vamp for other races, but it's still good, especially with Vampire's Tooth 16:11:15 greensnark: is countmin really 1 for all those monsters? 16:11:38 seems like it should be 0 for a lot of them 16:11:43 doy: No, countmin is just the lowest nonzero value 16:12:11 I thought that was more useful than showing zero, because then most monsters would show up as zero 16:12:24 sure, but now most monsters are showing up as 1 16:12:25 But for the aggregate zeros would indeed be nice to see 16:12:28 that's not really more useful 16:12:29 (: 16:12:33 True :) 16:13:24 Also only 9 yaktaurs looks kind of wrong :P 16:14:05 heh 16:14:15 not counting packs properly maybe? 16:14:39 slime creatures and ugly things look okay though 16:14:51 It counts individual monsters, it doesn't really know about packs 16:14:59 i.e. it just generates the level and then counts monsters on it 16:15:11 greensnark: are shoals huts always symmetrical? 16:15:21 atm yes 16:15:24 syllogism: can easily make more 16:15:24 New maps welcome :) 16:15:32 We love mail, syllogism :) 16:15:34 I'm not a map designer :) 16:15:52 merely asking so I can tell whether this block could be the rune hut :P 16:16:42 hey it wasn't entirely symmetrical :( 16:17:05 Well, it can be generated in the middle of a rock outcrop :P 16:17:17 In which case it won't look symmetric, but the vault area still is 16:23:06 syllogism: your turncount is amazing considering you're dancing with bats almost everytime I watch 16:23:31 We should call him Dances with Bats 16:24:02 also, I highly recommend autofight.lua in conjunction with Confuse 16:25:06 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:11 would there be any way to compare the popularity of the various Wz flavours? 16:26:03 I guess there's no surefire way to tell which flavour was chosen at start by looking at the logs 16:26:14 by: i never rest 16:26:24 fighting monsters doesnt take long 16:28:17 I'm going to need to find apportation somehow 16:33:08 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:43 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:41 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 16:43:13 yay, Guus Sliepen is alive after all! 16:44:34 the upload didn't make it for this dinstall run (so it won't be available in the archive into the next run (2/day)), but it has already hit the buildd network 16:44:44 @whereis syllogism 16:44:45 syllogism the Bewitcher (L14 SpEn), a worshipper of Jiyva, is currently in the Abyss after 10929 turns. 16:44:50 Looking pretty awesome 16:44:55 Try not to die 16:45:11 there's a build failure on powerpc, but it looks like some unrelated compiler fuckup (an ICE, to be exact) 16:45:15 abyss is a lot safer than zot probably 16:45:20 how is jiyva wrath 16:45:31 ??jiyva wrath 16:45:32 jiyva wrath[1/2]: ABANDONMENT: 30 penance, all slimes abandon you, 2 bad mutations RETRIBUTION: 1/7 1-3 bad mutations, 3/7 slimify a hostile monster in view if possible, 2/7 glow with 50% chance of uncancelable bat, spider or statue form, 1/7 create 1 + xl / 10 + random2(3) J or G 16:45:32 ??jiyva wrath 16:45:33 jiyva wrath[1/2]: ABANDONMENT: 30 penance, all slimes abandon you, 2 bad mutations RETRIBUTION: 1/7 1-3 bad mutations, 3/7 slimify a hostile monster in view if possible, 2/7 glow with 50% chance of uncancelable bat, spider or statue form, 1/7 create 1 + xl / 10 + random2(3) J or G 16:45:36 syllogism: the worst god to face :( 16:45:40 crippling iirc 16:46:08 looking pretty compelling right now :P 16:46:33 it's game over unless you hit bad old Zinner 16:46:41 and since you're looking at Lugonu... 16:46:45 the mutations are not the dangerous part here 16:47:08 yeah, stasis is vital too 16:47:24 and azure jelly resistance 16:47:35 nice 16:48:31 the build failure: https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=crawl&arch=powerpc&ver=2%3A0.7.1-1&stamp=1280777498&file=log&as=raw 16:55:34 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:53 The ?: does not work anymore like it used to be: for one, the level-ups aren't white; also, the cursor keys won't scroll. 16:57:57 since it will be only a few thousand turn of wrath at most, might as well go lugonu 16:58:11 Good luck :) 16:58:12 good luck 16:59:33 did you find apportation 16:59:49 03kilobyte 07debian * r3e11a7fc86d3 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Release 0.7.0-1 16:59:51 03kilobyte 07debian * rfcd5382a0177 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: Merge commit '0.7.1' into debian 16:59:54 no 16:59:55 03kilobyte 07debian * r8f9f65858e11 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Debian's 0.7.1-1, as uploaded by Guus Sliepen. 17:00:12 I've only 3 tele scrolls too :P 17:00:18 welp 17:00:18 this can't possibly work 17:03:15 Blink and hope for best maybe :) 17:03:30 But you look pretty cooked 17:03:48 even if I make it the orb, I'll be surrounded by that time 17:04:40 that's not going to work 17:04:47 I'm aware 17:04:59 I can blink but that's not going tod o anything 17:05:13 well, you can hope it gets you out of the orb chamber 17:05:20 lure them out and go around them 17:05:21 or something 17:05:31 :( 17:05:32 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05:36 or... that/; 17:05:47 :( 17:05:50 aw 17:05:55 Nice attempt though :) 17:06:02 yes 17:06:06 foiled by lack of apport 17:06:39 amazing turncount :p 17:07:46 !lg * ktyp=winning min=turns 17:07:46 2847. hyperbolic the Severer (L20 DDBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2009-09-20, with 4733437 points after 13435 turns and 3:03:41. 17:07:52 Mu_: died in Zot? 17:07:57 btw, I like rock worms 17:07:59 syll 17:08:05 !lg syllogism 17:08:05 3247. syllogism the Bewitcher (L14 SpEn), worshipper of Lugonu, demolished by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2010-08-02, with 56828 points after 12642 turns and 1:52:32. 17:08:21 That abyss trip made him waste a tele, I think 17:08:25 Pretty unfortunate 17:08:35 it wasn't likely going to improve the situation much 17:08:54 Well, it'd have given you more rolls of the dice :) 17:09:04 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:04 could have spent a few thousand turns searching for items, but I was interested in the overall record rather than tournament points 17:09:09 -!- JamezQ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:25 syllogism: awesome 17:09:48 But another nail in the coffin. Of Sp and/or En. 17:09:55 instead of saying something about giving up your benefits when you are questioned if you want to abandon, it should instead warn about incurring the wrath of your god(for newbies) 17:09:59 I guess that SpEn always was insanely powerfulß 17:10:12 yes 17:10:54 not powerful for normal play, but the must for suicidal ninja runs, indeed 17:11:34 really even more powerful for normal play :P 17:11:42 spen is really powerful for normal play too 17:12:18 we already nerfed enchanters in 0.8, but that's a relatively minor nerf 17:13:28 kilobyte: the split will help a lot 17:13:57 yeah, how is it going? 17:14:37 it will force people to waste double the XP, something that's a very scarce resource during speedruns 17:14:41 kilobyte: just a matter of making a decision at some point 17:14:46 all cards are on the table 17:14:57 kilobyte: I wouldn't worry about speedrun 17:15:14 We balance for normal play -- the speedrunners will sort it out afterwards. 17:17:35 how is the split going to work? 17:17:51 there aren't that many useful enchantment spells 17:18:18 like, the current best SUCCESSFUL speedrun is a DD, who can afford to waste all their maxmp for healing willy-nilly during sprint and speedruns but not normal play 17:18:43 syllogism: SpEn relies on both buffs and offensive enchantments 17:19:50 for those who want RMsl, Regen and Haste, they can put XP into buffs. For EH, confuse and stuff, you'd need offensive ones. 17:19:58 also that was back when berserk still healed 17:20:17 crusaders on the other hand rely just on buffs, so they wouldn't be hurt 17:20:43 syllogism: aaaah.... DD with berserk heal were just ridiculous 17:20:55 the DDBe speedruns didn't use berserk healing I think 17:21:03 trove with 19 potions of healing -- I love it :) 17:21:21 !seen due 17:21:23 was that nerfed in 0.5 or 0.6 17:21:28 I last saw due at Mon Aug 2 11:52:18 2010 UTC (10h 29m 7s ago) saying no on ##crawl-dev. 17:21:33 these DDBe runs were all 0.5 17:21:37 syllogism: not sure, but I had to fight for it :) 17:21:49 dpeg: the game I mistakenly started on 0.8 and realized this only after seeing the new trove wants just _1_ potion of CM 17:22:10 dpeg: but all the others I've seen wanted 15+ potions instead 17:22:24 zerk healing was removed in 0.5-a I think 17:22:41 kilobyte: well, no trove ever asked for 15 potions of CM 17:22:45 !log * ktyp=winning min=turns 17:22:46 2847. hyperbolic, XL20 DDBe, T:13435: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hyperbolic/morgue-hyperbolic-20090920-224335.txt 17:22:52 Not sure if the old ones could ask for CM, though. 17:23:17 -!- Niccus has left ##crawl-dev 17:23:55 that DDBe run was in 0.5.1 -- no berserk healing (but still usable armour) 17:24:26 also activated mapping 17:24:41 ogaz: is that better for speedruns? I think so... 17:24:52 Interesting movement by players to cut down on backgrounds. 17:24:59 dpeg: I think so, because it means you'll find the staircases faster 17:25:13 yes 17:28:22 dpeg: just don't let them cut all the fun challenge backgrounds and buff the other ones 17:28:25 greensnark: didn't the akrasiac web page also list CDO games in the past? 17:28:28 so are the experince pool changes going into 0.8? 17:28:34 syllogism: sure 17:28:54 Siber: which ones? I am not aware of a concept specific enough to implement. 17:30:17 The ones linked to from the 0.8 wishlist wikpage :P 17:30:40 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:experimental_skill_pool_changes 17:32:01 -!- mruuuu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:32:08 dpeg: Is it not doing that now or something? :) 17:32:17 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:46 Oh, MySQL upgrade :P 17:33:03 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:26 greensnark: no, it is not :) 17:36:47 dpeg: What makes you say so? :P 17:37:34 still cannot see me 17:38:21 What are you looking for? :) 17:38:33 Ongoing games 17:39:00 Oh, ongoing games will not show CDO games 17:39:11 Because ongoing game info is in .where files scattered across the filessytem 17:39:21 Your completed games and milestones will show up 17:39:30 okay 17:39:34 thank you! 17:39:35 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:35 I'm pretty sure there's a message that says games from other servers won't show up in whereis info :P 17:41:36 19 potions of healing spent 17:46:27 what did you get? a +1 battleaxe of chopping and a lajatang of protection on an axes char? 17:46:32 -!- mruuuu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:46 kilobyte: a room full of jewellery 17:50:50 cool, even with no gems that's always good for useful swaps 17:51:20 yes 17:52:26 greensnark: I'm looking into a new save file format. Of course, I'm making that transactional, but I wonder how important fsyncs are. 17:53:44 generally, any transaction requires two fsyncs (data, metadata) unless there's some really advanced journaling (that handles data-metadata interactions, unlike the recent ext4 brouchacha) 17:54:11 but those can slow down servers for little gain 17:54:50 so I wonder: do we care for hardware failures, or just Crawl's bugs and crashes? 17:57:21 Just Crawl bugs, crashes, etc. 17:57:31 so no fsyncs then, ok 17:57:41 Yes, I don't think we need fsync 17:57:48 Maybe make it #ifdefable 17:58:07 sounds like a good idea -- I'll add the barriers but #ifdefed out 17:58:52 @whereis dpeg 17:58:52 dpeg the Ogre Mage (L16 OgVM), a worshipper of Fedhas, saved on Orc:2 on 2010-08-02 after 58820 turns. 17:59:00 phantoms push zombies out of the way? 17:59:13 on a busy disk, fsync() is likely to block the process for seconds, that would make the CAO lag so much worse 18:00:56 yeah, i think we can assume cao isn't going to have sudden power failures or anything 18:01:00 (: 18:01:17 Well, it's had crashes before :) 18:01:37 But I think the chance of crash * chance of serious Crawl data loss are small enough that we don't want to pay the fsync cost 18:02:31 if to a hundred games corrupted due to bugs we add one caused by a power loss just during saving, that's not really noticeable 18:10:02 6 Lugonu altars at the temple (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2176) by Eifeltrampel 18:10:17 Haha 18:11:01 Henzell> Elbereth the Covered (L6 HuFi), worshipper of Vehumet, slain by an iguana on D:4, with 372 points after 4041 turns and 0:21:11. 18:11:15 Apparently it doesn't work here :) 18:12:29 Who in his sane mind would call his character Elbereth? 18:12:33 Blasphemy! 18:15:00 bhaak: does un make engraving Elbereth abuse wisdom and aggravates monsters (with no protection, of course)? If not, I don't think it's even worth looking at un. (ok, ok, plain ignoring it might be acceptable...) 18:16:01 Elbereth is the single worst design decision in the entire history of roguelikes 18:16:57 kilobyte: a sweeping statement, but I'd sign it 18:17:18 It is definitely a stupid mechanic in a amazing number of ways. 18:20:05 +0 arrows appear as "runed arrows" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2177) by 256 18:25:33 those fanatics 18:25:36 kilobyte: no, but I made it easier to spam Elbereth in unnethack. that was the quicker fix tha\ 18:25:58 than rebalancing the whole game by removing Elbereth (or nerfing Elbereth more than it is already in un) 18:27:44 bhaak: I don't think kilobyte was mocking. At least I wasn't. It is a horribly bad idea -- this is not a problem if the game was in development and someone would (have) care(d) about interface and balance- 18:29:05 slightly nerfing the benefit doesn't get you anything good -- people still have to write it over and over if they want to play effectively 18:29:42 Corporal Hicks has a good solution for that problem 18:29:56 dpeg: I didn't take it as mocking. but by simply removing Elbereth you make the early game even harder and instead for the time being I went for an interface improvement by putting engraving Elbereth on a special key 18:30:51 bhaak: Does the early game of NH need that boost? (Question is not rhethoric -- I guess the answer depends on whether you want to achieve 100% winnability.) 18:31:19 I think Un would be harder without E, but not disastrously so 18:31:32 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:33 In fact I think killing Elbereth would improve Un by emphasizing actual tactics 18:31:38 there are so many ways to make the early game easier... like, turning up the monster to-hit fudge NerHack already has 18:31:43 Instead of "LOL, Elbereth" :) 18:31:56 s/Ner/Net/ 18:32:05 But I think we've already discussed all this, so there's no call for all of us to jump on bhaak in here :) 18:32:28 hehe 18:32:31 A major problem for bhaak is that most of his playerbase thinks E is a good thing 18:32:48 The only feedback against E he gets are from people who don't play his game 18:32:49 not that I care for those players 18:33:18 I think Un is fun if you ignore E 18:33:27 Although bhaak has a button he can press to inject lynxes into my games :P 18:33:33 but I'd care that they go around telling new players not to play unnethack as "it is way harder becuase it doesn't have Elbereth" 18:33:47 Yeah, that's exactly what NetHack players would do :) 18:34:00 they've already done it to spork :( 18:34:10 So an NH variant developer has to at least pretend to not want to desecrate the holy cow that is E 18:34:47 just track elberethless 18:34:52 and have easy/hard modes 18:34:59 that's what I was thinking 18:35:05 This means that not just mainline development is dead but also that player conservatism kills forks. 18:35:08 I think Spork is pretty cool, but its habit of writing the xlogfile 1 minute after the main logfile :/ 18:35:25 even though I'm already a sucker for conduct tracking, Elbereth tracking is missing 18:35:26 I should get l.orimer to change that :) 18:35:55 that's probably because of his fix for SIGHUP-abuse 18:36:16 Well, I don't see why both logfiles can't be written at the same time? 18:36:38 As it is the case is 18:37:44 Poor Exxorn has no idea when it's safe to fetch the xlogfile :P 18:38:25 bhaak: You know, Crawl has one huge advantage over you :) 18:38:33 bhaak: We don't have kerio to haunt the channel :) 18:38:34 a typical problem with unnecessary redundancy :-) the logfile is just legacy 18:38:56 I try to change that 18:39:01 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:01 kerio? 18:39:03 Don't send him in here :P 18:39:11 !wtf kerio 18:39:14 dpeg: A massive idiot who hangs out in #unnethack 18:39:16 Unemployed Kenku 18:39:17 and as you know also have an Elbereth ... :-) 18:39:30 I mean, he's not stupid, he just acts like a complete fuckwit 99% of the time 18:39:45 greensnark, <3 fuckwit 18:39:51 Afternoon, gents. 18:39:52 -!- OG17 has quit [Quit: OG17] 18:40:20 you need to install those mental filter upgrades :) 18:40:26 Oh, I did :) 18:40:30 I just ignore everything he says now 18:40:41 I have less problems with such people than with ax4 troll from rgrn 18:40:44 It's a pity that so much of the talk in #un is his frothing :P 18:40:56 Oh, rgrn is a lost cause :P 18:41:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:12 Janis is like the crazy old man in there 18:41:19 greensnark: but we all read it everyday in case Pat declares resignation 18:41:36 dpeg: NH team changes happen on geological timescales 18:41:45 only because you think the people in rgrn are more fossilized than the usenet infrastructure :) 18:42:17 They're not? :P 18:42:48 There are people on rgrn who are insanely proud of the fact that they've played NH for 15 years without winning 18:43:04 How can you be proud of that :P 18:43:44 it shows persistence! 18:43:45 Hey, rob is earning points for Singularity 18:43:48 @whereis dpeg 18:43:48 dpeg the Ogre Mage (L16 OgVM), a worshipper of Fedhas, saved on Orc:2 on 2010-08-02 after 58820 turns. 18:43:49 or stubborness :) 18:43:54 dpeg: What about you :( 18:44:01 I am inspired by my team captain! 18:44:07 greensnark: I am also earning points, akrasiac just won't show it :) 18:44:16 This inspiration is lessened if my team captain starts farming Orc :P 18:44:21 greensnark: my second game (the first one was a tester on CAO) 18:44:35 greensnark: I just bought something in Orc:2 :P 18:44:35 but crawl also attracts strange people 18:44:42 Hey, Shoals splat <3 18:44:54 bhaak: Yeah, ##crawl has its share of weird people 18:45:14 like an italian software engineer that can't figure out how to programm additional monsters into the game and can't correctly handle his e-mail program :) 18:45:18 But I think the idiot index in ##crawl is less than in #un, thanks entirely to kerio :P 18:45:46 Hrm, it would appear you cannot eat chunks off the ground 18:45:47 ##crawl is almost unreadable with those two spamming troll Henzell and Gretell :-) 18:46:00 bhaak, just imagine what it'd be like without the mass filtering 18:46:04 bhaak: You're so jealous that you're training demogorgon to surpass them? :P 18:46:29 When Dworkin starts startscumming, hold on to your hats and try not to get thrown off by the scrolling :P 18:46:46 re: people on rgrn being proud of playing nethack for 15 years without winning: ais is well on his way toward becoming our own kpd 18:46:46 * Siber still thinkgs the bots should be confined to ##crawl-ticker 18:46:49 d: 18:47:01 Yeah, I've thought of dumping announcements to another channel 18:47:14 The problem is whenever I make changes to the bots people call me a fascist :P 18:47:18 doy: nowadays it's called twitter not ticker 18:47:35 * doy is not Siber 18:47:39 * Siber is not doy 18:47:41 Last time I made that ?? change someone sent me and rax a mail saying that the bots were a common good and implying that we were acting like dictators :P 18:47:55 doy: sorry, it's late here 18:47:58 classy 18:48:05 lol 18:48:08 Aha! 18:48:15 Get the bots twitter pages! 18:48:17 brilliant 18:48:28 greensnark, narrow down what's announced, perhaps? 18:48:28 NAO has a twitter page :) 18:48:30 IDK. 18:48:35 I don't have much issue with how much they announce. 18:48:37 Cryp71c: We've been doing that 18:48:45 greensnark, yeah, I know..especially for the tourney 18:49:28 by: Nice win :) 18:49:44 !lg by winning 18:49:44 thanks 18:49:45 49. rob the Devastator (L27 GhFE), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-08-02, with 1315192 points after 138390 turns and 9:47:04. 18:49:59 isn't GhFE the nemelex choice? 18:50:16 relying on orb of destruction for orbs of fire doesn't work too well 18:50:23 guessing by the number of chars being played, that'd be SpEn :p 18:50:50 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:51 I should take SpEn for the streak 18:51:18 I'm still in shock at N7's SpEn win. 18:51:26 why? :) 18:51:30 15 runes, 43k turns. 18:51:41 it's n7, what did you expect? 18:51:58 Still, I'm fairly certain that's the lowest SpEn win with 15 runes, by a HUGE jump 18:52:20 !lg * char=spen ktype=winning urune=15 x=turn -2 18:52:20 4. [turn=220112] Delphic the Intangible Farmer (L27 SpEn), worshipper of Okawaru, escaped with the Orb and 16 runes on 2010-07-25, with 7839779 points after 220112 turns and 17:58:54. 18:52:20 !lg * ktyp=winning urune=15 min=turns 18:52:22 361. hyperbolic the Executioner (L27 DDCK), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2009-11-21, with 36620901 points after 39740 turns and 7:53:59. 18:52:34 !lg * char=spen ktype=winning urune=15 x=turn min=turn -2 18:52:34 4. [turn=140134] evilmike the Ninja (L27 SpEn), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-06-06, with 11479861 points after 140134 turns and 12:18:13. 18:52:40 !lg * char=spen ktype=winning urune=15 x=turn min=turn 18:52:42 5. [turn=43553] 78291 the Enchanter (L23 SpEn), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-08-01, with 33336361 points after 43553 turns and 3:53:59. 18:52:52 cryp71c: most people don't speedrun allruners, you know 18:52:57 um..yeah. He beat the last record by almost 100k turns. 18:53:04 elliptic, well, yeah. I know, but that's still impressive. 18:53:07 At least for me. 18:53:12 sure it's impressive 18:53:14 very impressive win, yes :) 18:53:27 but it's not surprising that you'd be able to win a SpEn in around 40k turns really 18:53:50 the 4 hours is more impressive IMO 18:53:57 or maybe the combination 18:54:14 And he still got the 3rd place "1st Win" I think, didn't he? 18:54:59 No 18:55:06 3rd 15 runer 18:55:13 ah, ok. 18:55:44 Hey rob is the first Lord of Darkness <3 18:55:50 yay 18:55:57 nice! 18:56:08 and second GhFE, surprisingly 18:56:37 I've been curious how many lairless wins there have been in the past 18:56:38 first win as atheist is a nice combination 18:56:45 but I don't think it is easy to search for them 18:57:22 !lm * type=orb 18:57:23 2910. [2010-08-02] BirdoPrey the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfCr) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 18:57:36 !lm * br.enter=lair ktyp=winning 18:57:37 2730. [2010-08-02] BirdoPrey the Nimble (L9 MfCr) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 8463. (D:8) 18:57:50 don't believe that's correct 18:58:01 !lm * type=orb ktyp=winning 18:58:01 2789. [2010-08-02] BirdoPrey the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfCr) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 18:58:06 i wish i'd gone deeper into conjurations like your ghfe 18:58:20 I wish I'd done more melee :) 18:58:25 haha 18:58:41 MarvinPA: Congrats on taking the lead :) 18:58:47 without any form of channeling and unable to beat anything down, it got a little tricky occasionally 18:58:49 thanks :) 18:58:54 i'm sure i won't have it for long :P 18:59:28 by: there was some sort of a bug causing lair br.enter milestones to not be generated for a while 18:59:33 let's end now while teamkiku is winning 18:59:40 yeah, can't believe 59 such wins 19:00:07 my guess would have been 0 19:00:10 rwbarton tracked down one game without a lair br.enter milestone but with the lair runes 19:00:30 by: well, I did one right before the tournament, so greater than 0 ;) 19:00:43 :) 19:00:57 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:01:20 and I think there were some old games with people just getting pan runes or hell runes or something? I wasn't around then, though 19:02:20 jarpiain did some such games I believe 19:02:23 Yes, some b26 speedruns did 3 hell runes 19:02:30 Yeah, I think it was jarpiain 19:02:36 they might still have dipped into lair however 19:02:40 yeah 19:02:42 cabal needs its players to play some more :P 19:02:57 they will :( 19:02:59 Team Kiku is walking all over them :( 19:03:07 * greensnark wants competition. 19:03:08 hey don't :( that 19:03:27 it just depends on how many of the team do 15 runers :p 19:03:27 greensnark: team kiku is mainly in the lead because we have two allruners versus one for cabal 19:03:28 No fun if there isn't a contest :) 19:03:40 greensnark: what clan are you in? 19:03:41 and the first allruner for a player is worth 700 points or so 19:03:52 casmith789: dpeg's clan 19:03:58 singularity? 19:04:02 if everyone allrunes once, things will even out more 19:04:02 It's been renamed 19:04:05 I have to look up the name :P 19:04:12 Oh right, it's called Nerfkele now 19:04:21 ah 19:04:25 well... you're 6th 19:04:27 you can win 19:04:31 I missed fruit basket because ghouls don't autopickup fruit... 19:04:46 Well, anyone who plays a few games will eventually get fruit basket 19:04:55 It's the moral equivalent of last year's D:1 Cartographer :P 19:05:28 -!- GrimmSweeper has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:05:28 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:30 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSweeper 19:05:51 greensnark: yes, but a lot more fun imo 19:06:13 Yes, at least you have to do a little work to get it 19:06:21 D:1 Cartographer was an automatic award for playing a game :) 19:08:10 @whereis greensnark 19:08:10 greensnark the Grappler (L14 GhFE), a worshipper of Vehumet, saved on Shoals:3 on 2010-08-02 after 27525 turns. 19:08:19 @whereis dpeg 19:08:19 dpeg the Ogre Mage (L16 OgVM), a worshipper of Fedhas, saved on Orc:2 on 2010-08-02 after 58820 turns. 19:12:09 banners I'd nominate for removal: Makhleb (just a pointless thing to do on your way up), Sif Muna (a boring one-trick pony), Jiyva (a thing to do once) 19:13:08 if there were an abundance of good banner ideas and people with lots of free time to implement them, we'd have all new banners each year and they'd all be great 19:13:57 yeah, that's why I propose replacing just the worst ones 19:14:21 ??banner_ideas 19:14:22 banner ideas[1/14]: Winning without entering Lair. 19:14:31 Add your ideas in there, I'll check them pre tourney next year 19:14:37 !learn del banner_ideas[1] 19:14:37 Deleted banner ideas[1/14]: Winning without entering Lair. 19:14:47 most of the ideas in banner_ideas right now are pretty bad unfortunately 19:14:55 yes 19:15:26 ??banner ideas[5] 19:15:26 banner ideas[5/13]: Last win of the tournament. 19:15:33 !learn del banner ideas[5] 19:15:33 Deleted banner ideas[5/13]: Last win of the tournament. 19:15:53 We'll just make that a point award next year if we have a replacement banner 19:16:00 ??banner ideas[5] 19:16:00 banner ideas[5/12]: "The Pioneer: winning a previously unwon combo" 19:16:05 kilobyte: I tried to come up with decent ideas for the new gods. Didn't have time to come up with good stuff for some lackluster banners. 19:16:13 that doesn't apply anymore, right? 19:16:26 !learn del banner ideas[5] 19:16:27 Deleted banner ideas[5/12]: "The Pioneer: winning a previously unwon combo" 19:16:28 Well, there are points for winning unwon combos, but no banner 19:16:37 there are no unwon combos 19:16:41 Well, unwon in the tourney 19:16:44 oh, ok 19:17:05 Hopefully I'll have more time in 2011 19:17:15 !learn add banner_ideas "The Pioneer: winning a comb that was previously unwon in the tournament." 19:17:16 banner ideas[12/12]: "The Pioneer: winning a comb that was previously unwon in the tournament." 19:17:22 yes, that's not so bad 19:17:26 A comb? :) 19:17:40 !learn edit banner_ideas[12] s/comb/combo/ 19:17:41 banner ideas[12/12]: "The Pioneer: winning a combo that was previously unwon in the tournament." 19:18:09 ??banner ideas[6] 19:18:09 banner ideas[6/12]: Getting invocations skill on a demigod. 19:18:18 that's not a good idea 19:19:11 indeed 19:20:16 yeah, anything that forces people to play a single race seems bad 19:21:02 !whereis elliptic 19:21:39 elliptic is currently lagging horribly while trying to start a DDCK 19:22:18 Aha 19:22:29 Yeah, CAO load average is still > 5 19:22:43 Better than Aug 1 though 19:22:47 !whereis circlish 19:22:51 !whereis halflineish 19:22:53 !whereis pointish 19:23:10 Maybe I should stop renicing Henzell :P 19:23:16 elliptic the Backstabber (L16 SpEn) won on D:$ on 2010-08-01 after 24105 turns. 19:23:27 give him a RT priority 19:23:31 Haha 19:23:36 No games for circlish. 19:23:38 No games for halflineish. 19:23:41 No games for pointish. 19:25:43 I've been contemplating moving the tourney scripts off cao for next year 19:25:51 CAO really doesn't need the extra load 19:26:07 And sshing to cao to examine problems in the db is an exercise in patience :P 19:26:24 Only thing is we need to replace the existing team registration thing 19:26:35 Maybe setup a simple website to register teams 19:27:53 Also running it on a decent machine means I don't have to be so paranoid about performance and can even enable db transactions :P 19:28:20 I tried activating the InnoDB engine on the cao MySQL and it slowed the scripts by something like 5x 19:30:08 see you later 19:30:12 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:35:29 hihi, mysql 19:36:00 Postgres is better for any serious use, but I'd have thought a small db like this wouldn't trouble MySQL :P 19:36:16 MySQL probably just doesn't like being starved of CPU all the time :) 19:36:46 Actually SQLite may be better for tourney :) 19:37:21 why? SQLite goes to hell when there any concurrent accesses 19:37:33 ^are 19:37:43 Tourney script has no concurrent access 19:37:47 Just the one script 19:37:53 It's not like the pages are dynamically generated 19:38:02 Er, it's not like the pages are generated on demand 19:38:48 there are at least two users: the tourney and Sequell 19:38:59 Sequell runs on my machine, not on CAO 19:39:02 concurrent accesses when reading is a problem? 19:39:49 Speaking of Sequell, I've been really happy with Napkin's recommendation of Hetzner for hosting <3 19:44:48 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:45:55 !lg dpeg s=god / win o=% 19:45:56 11/1081 games for dpeg: 3/12x Sif Muna [25.00%], 3/21x Vehumet [14.29%], 1/11x Okawaru [9.09%], 1/21x Lugonu [4.76%], 1/51x The Shining One [1.96%], 1/56x Zin [1.79%], 1/64x Elyvilon [1.56%], 0/602x [0.00%], 0/24x Makhleb [0.00%], 0/26x Nemelex Xobeh [0.00%], 0/31x Trog [0.00%], 0/19x Cheibriados [0.00%], 0/16x Fedhas [0.00%], 0/56x Yredelemnul [0.00%], 0/57x Xom [0.00%], 0/7x Kikubaaqudgha [0.00... 19:46:12 !lg . s=god / win o=% 19:46:13 17/476 games for greensnark: 1/1x Beogh [100.00%], 4/20x Vehumet [20.00%], 1/7x Okawaru [14.29%], 2/23x Makhleb [8.70%], 1/12x Elyvilon [8.33%], 1/13x Trog [7.69%], 2/33x Sif Muna [6.06%], 2/41x Xom [4.88%], 1/22x Yredelemnul [4.55%], 1/23x The Shining One [4.35%], 1/255x [0.39%], 0/24x Zin [0.00%], 0/2x Lugonu [0.00%] 19:46:40 nerf beogh 19:46:43 I should do a Zin game this year :P 19:47:03 !lg . s=god / win o=% 19:47:03 49/2035 games for by: 3/19x Lugonu [15.79%], 9/62x Okawaru [14.52%], 5/54x Elyvilon [9.26%], 4/44x Makhleb [9.09%], 6/66x Vehumet [9.09%], 4/46x Sif Muna [8.70%], 2/29x Yredelemnul [6.90%], 1/16x Cheibriados [6.25%], 5/106x The Shining One [4.72%], 1/34x Zin [2.94%], 1/45x Kikubaaqudgha [2.22%], 2/104x Xom [1.92%], 3/171x Trog [1.75%], 3/1186x [0.25%], 0/18x Nemelex Xobeh [0.00%], 0/19x Beogh [0.... 19:47:25 !lg . s=god / win o=% 19:47:26 49/883 games for pointless_: 1/3x Zin [33.33%], 1/3x Cheibriados [33.33%], 1/4x Nemelex Xobeh [25.00%], 5/23x Fedhas [21.74%], 1/5x Beogh [20.00%], 4/20x Okawaru [20.00%], 2/11x Kikubaaqudgha [18.18%], 2/11x Vehumet [18.18%], 19/117x Sif Muna [16.24%], 3/26x Makhleb [11.54%], 3/27x Trog [11.11%], 2/29x Yredelemnul [6.90%], 1/16x The Shining One [6.25%], 2/38x Elyvilon [5.26%], 2/539x [0.37%], 0/9... 19:47:33 Heh, pointless_ likes Zin :) 19:47:39 clearly 19:47:51 greensnark: rupert just killed someone with an elec executioners axe :) 19:47:57 ogaz: Congrats :P 19:48:08 he had a glowing triple sword in my OgPa game 19:48:20 !lg * killer=Rupert 19:48:21 252. Elwin the Severer (L13 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by Rupert (a +0,+2 executioner's axe of electrocution) on Swamp:5 on 2010-08-03, with 42038 points after 37489 turns and 6:39:45. 19:48:22 !lg * killer=Rupert -tv 19:48:23 252. Elwin, XL13 MiBe, T:37489 requested for FooTV. 19:50:11 hah 19:50:39 Well, that was richly comic 19:50:51 that was some excellent monster AI 19:50:52 :p 19:53:59 is the little room with 6 kobolds all wielding curare/blowgun an actual vault? 19:54:03 or did I just have the worst luck ever 19:54:51 Sounds like minmay_kobolds_curare 19:55:12 Welcome to minmay's attempts to unseat Lemuel as dark lord of vault design 19:55:24 at least I have 34 curare needles now 19:55:44 Yeah, kobolds with curare are usually easy to outmaneuver 19:56:03 Especially when they're neatly tucked up in a vault 19:56:10 If they wake up and spread out life gets more interesting :) 19:59:33 by: does being at 0 or lower in attributes prevent you from ending transformations? 20:00:19 -!- violetj has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:01:36 -!- violetj has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:20 st_: not that I know off, but unsure 20:08:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:29 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 20:15:31 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:18 I'd love to have banners for all the major points trophies for next year 20:28:26 Like fastest wins, longest streaks, etc. 20:28:54 Banner images I mean 20:49:10 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:17 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:58 tiles open a big window that spans both screens on double-headed machines (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2178) by KiloByte 21:12:04 -!- GrimmSweeper has quit [Quit: Bed. Reluctantly have to stop playing otherwise I won't be good for tomorrow.] 21:13:11 -!- jld has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:23:16 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:15 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 21:41:32 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:33 -!- Vandal has quit [] 22:03:20 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:21 very early game nerf (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2179) by TGW 22:22:39 wow, I don't findmyself agreeing with tgw that often. 23:15:48 I got a permanent small abomination 23:15:52 from a scroll 23:16:17 that's what they do now :) 23:16:46 oh interesting 23:18:00 were they temporary in older versions? 23:18:09 yeah 23:18:50 I actually think I'd prefer it if they were temporary... perma-allies are annoying 23:33:30 why, it is easy to lose them 23:34:22 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:16 I thought it was the old bug where temporary allies could sometimes become permanent 23:37:20 I have no idea if that was ever fixed 23:37:39 I think it would happen if you left them on a level and didn't go back to it for a long time 23:41:26 !gkills when=t 23:41:27 One game for * (killer~~^(due|bookofjude)'.*ghost when=t): 1x Fetish 23:49:00 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:58:18 there seem to be some bugs concerning durations of off-level effects; with chunks, at least 23:58:39 -!- mruuuu has quit [Quit: mruuuu]