00:20:21 Rot and Sickness in Lichform (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2138) by Pedjt 00:49:40 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:24 !tell Keskitalo http://crawl.pastebin.com/r4QQshML -- tried to annotate how each error message can be fixed 01:07:24 by: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:07:24 by: OK, I'll let Keskitalo know. 01:08:50 tile picking code could become a lot simpler with the new map_knowledge 01:09:30 by: Is Gloom clouds broken? 01:09:39 I have no idea 01:10:22 why would it be broken? 01:12:31 Because it did some env.show cheating to make it work 01:15:17 I guess we'll see if it's ever used anywhere 01:16:07 I'll compile and check now, I guess 01:16:28 Yeah 01:19:01 Yup, it got nuked in the removal of show 01:22:47 Hm, how does map_knowledge display clouds? 01:24:12 Ah, easy. 01:26:35 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:02 In theory, fixed. 01:32:40 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39:31 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:03 -!- eith has quit [] 01:44:25 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:53 Huh. 01:46:40 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48:09 Cloud colours don't seem to work. 01:48:40 ahhh 02:03:26 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:12 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:57 -!- slyshy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:24 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:07 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:33 03by * r66edc90cebe7 10/crawl-ref/source/map_knowledge.h: Fix spacing. 02:32:34 03by * r57b84528e32b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (map_knowledge.cc map_knowledge.h show.cc): Don't clear "seen" flag when redrawing. 02:32:36 03by * r59502fff6940 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/ (clua/lm_trove.lua des/portals/trove.des): Simplify troves. (#1610) 02:36:05 aptitudes.txt still missing (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2139) by brownwings 02:36:25 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:38 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:40:16 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:12 -!- slyshy has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:54:58 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm] 02:55:39 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:22 -!- OG17 has quit [Quit: OG17] 03:08:33 geeez.. what's the point in users registering with one time emails 03:09:07 well, that's the only sane way to register for most sites 03:09:43 in those rare cases where you actually want feedback, it's easy to do that reflexively 03:10:52 i should find a mantis plugin to block those email addresses 03:12:18 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:41 mailinator creates new domains daily for that exact purpose 03:12:55 how do you recognize one time email addresses? there are sites that allow a time limited forwarding of mails 03:12:57 and in general, that's good 03:13:23 well, there is no foolproof or even a semi-reliable way 03:13:30 not in cases where _I_ am responsible for what is said or posted. 03:13:59 while _you_ don't want to use that data for nefarious purposes, privacy is a damn important thing 03:14:47 of course it is, that's why not even developers can read the email addresses 03:14:52 and there is no way to tell an one-time account on, say, gmail, from a real one 03:15:41 but this is just stupid business to wake up and delete accounts everyday, just to prevent the mailqueue from exploding 03:16:04 it' 03:16:12 yes, but creating a new account on gmail is quite a lot of work compared to something like jetable.org 03:16:14 it's no different from a normal account being deleted 03:16:20 if they don't want to participate, they shouldn't register. 03:16:48 why would you need to give your personal data just to write a comment on a website? 03:17:03 what's personal about an email address? 03:17:14 don't you have like a 100 yourself? 03:17:15 most people only have one 03:17:49 and posting registering with an IP is already all the data someone needs.. fake email address is just totally useless in that case 03:18:09 work for me, work for them 03:20:10 i am throwing a bowler hat onto your head, Napkin 03:21:17 damn, and now you force me to wikipedia so early in the morning, whig :-P 03:27:04 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:54 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:23 missing message in shop interface (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2140) by ortoslon 03:49:55 03by * r515dc085a448 10/crawl-ref/source/l_file.cc: Make file_unmarshall_boolean Lua-accessible. 03:49:59 03by * r2fadf4911cff 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/clua/lm_timed.lua: Give timed markers a second timer, activated on sight. 03:50:00 03by * r137aa90ddb30 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/ (bazaar.des lab.des): Make bazaars and labyrinths use single-timed markers. 03:50:01 03by * r45425a537338 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/ (7 files): Extend unannounced portal timers to around 3000 turns. 03:56:30 UnIDed non-artefact robes not marked as {unknown} in morgue file (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2141) by Nexos 04:05:47 !lg * 0.7 place=swamp|snake|shoals s=br 04:05:48 37 games for * (0.7 place=swamp|snake|shoals): 22x Shoals, 9x Swamp, 6x Snake 04:05:52 wow 04:06:06 !lg * 0.6 place=swamp|snake|shoals s=br 04:06:07 563 games for * (0.6 place=swamp|snake|shoals): 218x Snake, 176x Shoals, 169x Swamp 04:06:34 !lg * 0.6 place=shoals s=role 04:06:34 176 games for * (0.6 place=shoals): 22x Wizard, 17x Transmuter, 14x Crusader, 12x Berserker, 12x Fire Elementalist, 9x Enchanter, 8x Necromancer, 8x Chaos Knight, 8x Ice Elementalist, 7x Stalker, 6x Gladiator, 6x Conjurer, 6x Monk, 5x Assassin, 4x Air Elementalist, 4x Priest, 4x Hunter, 4x Reaver, 4x Death Knight, 3x Arcane Marksman, 3x Venom Mage, 3x Paladin, 2x Fighter, 2x Wanderer, 2x Summoner,... 04:06:38 !lg * 0.7 place=shoals s=role 04:06:39 22 games for * (0.7 place=shoals): 7x Berserker, 4x Crusader, 3x Enchanter, 2x Fighter, 1x Stalker, 1x Assassin, 1x Venom Mage, 1x Wizard, 1x Fire Elementalist, 1x Chaos Knight 04:07:14 people playing more melee types causes the changed distribution, maybe? 04:08:22 is xom supposed to send hostile demons to his chaos knights at D:1 XL:2? 04:08:48 !lg * 0.6 role=Berserker|Fighter|Gladiator|Chaos Knight place=swamp|snake|shoals s=br 04:08:50 94 games for * (0.6 role=Berserker|Fighter|Gladiator|Chaos Knight place=swamp|snake|shoals): 38x Snake, 28x Shoals, 28x Swamp 04:08:51 ortoslon: yes. 04:08:58 !lg * 0.7 role=Berserker|Fighter|Gladiator|Chaos Knight place=swamp|snake|shoals s=br 04:08:59 14 games for * (0.7 role=Berserker|Fighter|Gladiator|Chaos Knight place=swamp|snake|shoals): 10x Shoals, 3x Snake, 1x Swamp 04:11:36 no first book gift from Kiku (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2142) by st 04:20:16 making things bleed with claws doesn't seem to do anything 04:20:55 it seemed to in my testing 04:21:05 what level of claws do you have? 04:21:14 although this is just on jackals and newts, maybe they don't have enough health or whatnot 04:21:23 claws 1, I'm a ghoul 04:21:34 on a troll, you get something like 10% hp per turn 04:21:55 and even then it's not that easy to notice with monsters regenerating 04:22:25 but that's better than hooves or head butt, where you don't notice the effect at all 04:23:49 @?? ghoul 04:23:49 ghoul (05n) | Speed: 10 | HD: 4 | Health: 12-32 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 4, 904(rot) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(26), 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 165. 04:24:18 do you think adding rot to ghouls bleeding would be good? 04:25:02 it would be fitting, I guess, but I'm not sure ghouls need help at all 04:25:14 currently I'd tend to scrap the unarmed effects alltogether 04:26:01 i don't understand why unarmed attacks make monsters bleed but armed don't 04:26:29 to quiet the ##crawl whining for DS body mutations, mostly 04:28:00 it could be flavoured as "infectious claws" or something, I guess, and be restricted to DS and ghouls 04:28:02 by: Thanks for commiting the portal double timers! Sorry for not the checking them earlier. 04:28:02 Keskitalo: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 04:28:35 is that the answer to my question or continuation of your previous line? 04:29:20 those were two replies to your question -- pick whichever you prefer :) 04:29:39 by: I got most of the errors down, but tile_idx_show_item/tile_idx_item is still puzzling me. I got it to compile by feeding tile_idx_show_item cell.item()->base.type.. but that is wrong, it excepts SHOW_ITEM_TYPE, not OBJ_something.. 04:29:55 does active or passive magicmapping count as seeing the portal or containing vault now? 04:30:03 Keskitalo: tile_idx_show_item is obsolete 04:30:22 ortoslon: don't think so 04:30:24 by: Ah, alrght. I had some problem with tile_idx_item too, hold a sec 04:31:21 Ah, it expects item_def, while cell.item() returns item_info. 04:32:07 -!- casmith_789 is now known as casmith789 04:32:22 item_info is typedef'd to item_def 04:32:35 Yeah 04:32:38 is it maybe an issues of pointer vs reference? 04:33:05 i.e., pass *cell.item() 04:33:36 Yes, that did it, thanks. 04:33:50 I should practice those. :P 04:34:24 My quick hack for gloom didn't fix it 04:34:30 put the hack in the wrong spot :) 04:34:49 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:35:10 -!- casmith789 is now known as casmith780 04:35:23 -!- casmith780 is now known as casmith_780 04:37:55 -!- casmith_780 is now known as casmith789 04:43:30 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:50 Automatic abilities invoking letter mapping (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2143) by Nexos 05:15:19 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16:57 we need a separate configure step (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2144) by KiloByte 05:22:15 why doesn't mantis have a "I like it" button? 05:23:49 because it isn't bought by google yet? 05:24:31 facebook belongs to google? 05:25:21 no but facebook wouldn't buy mantis 05:25:55 mantis has its flaws but is halfway sane. And that's an absolute no-no for Facebook. 05:29:41 And now, linker errors: 05:29:47 tags.o: In function `tag_missing_level_tiles': 05:29:47 /home/kuetku/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc:2994: undefined reference to `tileidx_from_map_cell(unsigned int*, unsigned int*, map_cell const&)' 05:29:50 tilesdl.o: In function `TilesFramework::update_minimap(coord_def const&)': 05:29:53 /home/kuetku/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/source/tilesdl.cc:1102: undefined reference to `TilesFramework::get_cell_map_feature(map_cell const&)' 05:29:55 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 05:29:58 make: *** [crawl] Error 1 05:30:01 Got to run, too. 05:30:03 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:32:02 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:10 by: My theory for increased Shoals deaths is the effective doubling of monster density by placing them all on land 05:35:23 ah, yes, that too 05:38:15 new kraken has me trapped in sprint 2 05:38:35 Charge? :) 05:38:46 the new kraken is awesome 05:39:33 Too bad we couldn't take it for 0.7, it'd have tipped the Shoals numbers even more nicely :) 05:40:07 yeah, Shoals could be a real rune branch, unlike Snake and Swamp 05:40:26 We should make Snake and Swamp harder 05:40:35 @?? tentacle 05:40:35 tentacle (15w) | Speed: 18 | HD: 12 | Health: 39-58 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Damage: 29 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx | XP: 0. 05:40:37 Poor greater naga have suffered from the PA weakening 05:40:55 And Swamp really has nothing interesting until you hit the Swamp:5 vault 05:41:19 !lg * 0.7 swamp s=ckiller 05:41:19 9 games for * (0.7 swamp): 2x a hydra, 2x an alligator, 1x a phantom, 1x Nikola, 1x Saint Roka, 1x the 27-headed Lernaean hydra, 1x Margery 05:41:38 Haha, someone died to the Lernaean hydra :P 05:41:50 tentacles seem to be faster than a hasted spriggan 05:41:55 !lg * 0.7 killer=~lernaean hydra 05:41:56 1. Zaba the Conjurer (L15 SpCj), worshipper of Vehumet, slain by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp old school) on 2010-07-26, with 72977 points after 40421 turns and 1:42:25. 05:42:01 Oh, it's Zaba <3 05:42:10 really? I was able to just walk away with my ghoul 05:42:28 by: probably only if the kraken can move 05:42:33 !lg * 0.7 killer=~lernaean hydra -tv 05:42:34 1. Zaba, XL15 SpCj, T:40421 requested for FooTV. 05:42:35 ah 05:43:38 Poor Zaba 05:43:52 @?? kraken 05:43:52 kraken (13X) | Speed: 15 | HD: 16 | Health: 181-232 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Damage: 50 | Flags: cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 2928 | Sp: spawn tentacles, ink cloud. 05:46:04 heh, that was a hilarious splat 05:47:20 Looks like after the first Shoals splat, Shoals has always had more kills than Snake+Swamp combined in 0.7 :) 05:59:52 sometimes when i read through devwiki i get momentarily convinced that crawl is a bad game 06:00:23 Go shoals, go shoals! 06:00:52 it seems capslocke has never met boris or ilsuiw before 06:18:28 trap deaths seem to be a bit broken 06:18:52 !lg * ktyp=trap s=kaux 06:18:53 2291 games for * (ktyp=trap): 677x dart, 603x dart, 144x spear, 133x n axe, 113x spear, 108x n arrow, 106x arrow, 95x blade, 88x hand axe, 71x bolt, 66x blade, 61x bolt, 6x a Zot trap, 5x orcish hand axe, 4x n orcish axe, 2x the power of Zot, 2x orcish arrow, 2x orcish spear, 2x orcish bolt, 2x n orcish spear, 1x n orcish bolt 06:19:23 !lg * 0.7 ktyp=trap s=kaux 06:19:23 24 games for * (0.7 ktyp=trap): 20x dart, 2x arrow, 1x spear, 1x hand axe 06:19:35 "hand axe trap" is weird at least 06:19:56 !lg * kaux=n axe s=v 06:19:57 133 games for * (kaux=n axe): 34x 0.4.5, 31x 0.4.4, 22x 0.3.4, 10x 0.3.3, 10x 0.2.7, 7x 0.4.3, 4x 0.3.2, 3x 0.1.7, 3x 0.2.4, 3x 0.4.1, 3x 0.4-a, 2x 0.2.5, 1x 0.5-a 06:20:25 !lg * ktyp=trap kaux=~zot x=v 06:20:26 8. [v=0.7.0-a0] TGW the Gelid (L14 KoIE), worshipper of Vehumet, killed by triggering a a Zot trap trap on Lair:7 on 2010-05-07, with 47059 points after 30906 turns and 2:56:16. 06:21:44 recompiling the whole thing for a thousandth time after a tiny change to a .h file when you want to get just tags.o or view.o is really, really tedious 06:22:05 "joy" 06:22:09 why, oh why, can't we use a sane makefile? 06:23:01 we use the current hackery due to some MacOS brouchacha, but Mac uses xcode not the makefile, right? 06:23:15 xcode is currently broken I believe 06:23:43 but it's the only way we get our mac builds, right? 06:24:04 I think the makefile has little to do with mac os 06:25:12 (btw, you can do "make MAKECMDGOALS=debug tags.o" at the moment) 06:26:07 really? 06:26:08 Hm. 06:26:23 by: oooh, cool. MAKECMDGOALS may be an automatic variable, but if you can still override it, that's great 06:26:45 I'm not saying the makefile needs to stay the way it is, however 06:29:54 !lg * 0.7 killer=nessos x=kaux 06:29:55 7. [kaux=Shot with a poisoned arrow of flame by Nessos] Nexos the Grappler (L10 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, shot by Nessos (poisoned arrow of flame) on D:11 on 2010-07-30, with 5083 points after 9060 turns and 0:42:58. 06:30:11 that kaux also seems kind of wrong 06:30:40 Missile kauxes have been broken forever 06:30:47 Traps as well 06:31:14 The game relies on the full message to reconstruct end-of-game messages in the highscores list 06:31:49 !lg * 0.7 killer=nessos x=ckaux 06:31:50 7. [ckaux=a poisoned arrow of flame] Nexos the Grappler (L10 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, shot by Nessos (poisoned arrow of flame) on D:11 on 2010-07-30, with 5083 points after 9060 turns and 0:42:58. 07:35:18 greensnark: do you think it important to keep hiscore message compatibility with old versions? (aside from avoiding crashing, obviously) 07:35:37 No, it's not important 07:41:30 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 07:49:10 03by * r74f76eb08549 10/crawl-ref/source/message.cc: Remove outdated message window TODO list. 07:49:17 03by * rcb52d98255e9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (hiscores.cc hiscores.h message.cc traps.cc): Always store full trap name in kaux. 08:04:43 "killed by the air ... invoked by gastronok" 08:05:05 this is hiscores.cc's special smiting detection :) 08:07:00 yeah, it's hackery 08:07:45 probably should have an extra KILLED_BY_SMITING or so 08:07:49 if you're going to rewrite that part, you may want to make angry trees sane... but if not, I'll fix that later 08:08:03 yeah, that's probably the best idea 08:08:35 actually orc priest smiting and angry trees could fit together 08:09:33 yay, in lua's item dump: All '𝔷', All '𝓩' now; it was broken for non-ascii glyphs. (It's likely you won't see my examples, they're in a rare Plane 1 range) 08:20:32 -!- Niccus has quit [] 08:31:55 -!- itsmu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:11 -!- Mu_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:32:16 -!- itsmu is now known as Mu_ 08:33:53 does having the ball of energy drain all int instead of just 1 sound like a good idea to anyone else? 08:36:22 or maybe just 1d20 08:40:20 1d20 sounds reasonable 08:41:20 draining all would make it unusable without sustain abilities, I suppose 08:41:30 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:01 would it be better to scale with max int, so low int species aren't disadvantaged? 08:42:19 only conjurer types really use it though 08:42:26 say, 1d(2*max_int/3)? 08:56:25 paralyzing you for a while, forcing to drink !ra/untransform+drink !ra/kill outright(mummies/ghouls), and 4* slowing plus disabling scrolls+spellcasting for another long while? 08:56:52 for an item you use in tough fights, that sounds just great 09:00:19 which variant do you think great? 09:02:10 * kilobyte was a teeny little bit sarcastic. 09:06:52 due, Napkin, Keskitalo: update windows builds 09:07:25 From what I can tell, mf = get_cell_map_feature(env.map_knowledge(gc)); is not calling tatic map_feature get_cell_map_feature(const map_cell& cell) 09:07:38 ortoslon: Building tiles is broken, working on it 09:08:08 oops, stopping script then :) 09:08:12 Keskitalo: I don't think get_cell_map_feature should be a member of that class 09:08:28 just a normal static function 09:09:13 (it says the latter is defined but not used, and that's the only call to that function name) 09:09:16 03dolorous * r9ee3aa58e01d 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Reduce flaming corpses' intelligence to I_ANIMAL. 09:09:22 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:29 by: It looks like it is, it's not defined with TilesFramework:: 09:09:32 Keskitalo: I think you defined get_cell_map_feature in a header somewhere 09:09:49 try removing that header line 09:09:57 by: Good call, I just thought of that too :) 09:10:10 Yeah, my mistake. 09:21:13 03by * r7c0e45b8a987 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Make ball of energy stat loss matter a bit. 09:22:14 Keskitalo: does it work now? 09:34:40 I think it solved the get_map_cell_feature thing, now it's only commplaining about tile_idx_from_map_cell ... 09:35:14 but still while linking? 09:35:19 yup 09:35:45 is tile_idx_from_map_cell defined and/or declared? 09:36:09 maybe the header and use is tile_idx_ while the implementation is tileidx_ or something? 09:36:16 (tileidx_from_map_cell to be precise), hey right, it's not defined. 09:36:20 03dolorous * rd450b0f7ddd0 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Fix cut-and-paste error. 09:36:22 03dolorous * r52e50efc4364 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Make crystal ball power-draining messages consistent. 09:36:23 03dolorous * r25e948e39774 10/crawl-ref/source/it_use3.cc: Add spacing fixes. 09:36:45 Didn't pick that up :) 09:36:48 oops 09:37:02 I mean, I didn't notice that there wasn't a definition 09:37:10 just the declaration in the .h, no wonder it doesn't work 09:37:16 (oops re dolorous' commit) 09:45:06 I'm guessing the problem is that tileidx_from_show should be named tileidx_from_map_cell (maybe going in circles here).. but lets see if I have the time to finish this compile 09:46:55 Keskitalo: didn't my paste include an implementation of tileidx_from_map_cell? 09:48:23 Yes! Looks like I messed that up - I couldn't get it to apply directly for some reason 09:49:06 So I applied it by copy-paste and probably left the function name intact. So many mistakes! :) 09:49:26 Ok, so it theoretically should go through now. 10:01:42 Compiles, runs, crashes when &Z detect items. 10:03:10 antennaes work 10:05:14 yay 10:08:39 03Keskitalo * r804322c1c6c7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Fix tiles compile (with rob). 10:08:47 Need to run, probably back on Sunday (tourneyyyy!) 10:08:53 by: Thanks! 10:08:54 cheers 10:09:05 Napkin: Build hopefully ok now! 10:11:29 roger, will try :) 10:19:26 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24:21 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:32 03dolorous * r60af66ae9ee0 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.h: Fix console compilation. 11:40:08 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:51:08 03kilobyte * rb580da2a2d2b 10/crawl-ref/source/util/levcomp.ypp: Fix a clang warning in the yaccage. 11:51:09 03kilobyte * r685c36f53f57 10/crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h spl-book.cc spl-cast.cc): Remove an absolutely unholy, hardcoded function. 11:51:10 03kilobyte * r43dba213523d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (command.cc hints.cc showsymb.cc showsymb.h view.h viewmap.cc): Fix several broken item symbol overrides. 11:51:48 03kilobyte * r4817bb3d806b 10/crawl-ref/source/kills.cc: Fix the lua kills report for monsters with non-ascii glyphs. 11:51:48 03kilobyte * r558f088e9aa6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (81 files): Rename chars used as numbers to int8_t/uint8_t. Fix some other type usage. 11:54:05 ignite poison should affect poisonous corpses (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2145) by reid 12:14:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:54 lol @ "fix console compilation".. so it goes 12:19:34 My mistake, too. 12:21:57 Wish it was the tourney already, it would be fun to play during breaks (selling beer in a festival) 12:22:13 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:48 Keskitalo :D 12:30:10 Eino, did you do the last mingw builds? 12:30:31 we have a new script called update-mingw-installer.sh now :) 12:31:58 maybe it's time for a update-mingw-all.sh now ;) 12:35:12 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:30 -!- whig has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 12:41:43 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:21 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:53:51 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:54:22 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:19 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:52 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:14 an okawaru altar vault just spawned on top of tgw_trog 13:03:27 it fried the glass and let the moth of wrath free 13:03:39 I'm using adb17c3, was anything like this fixed since then? 13:08:26 TGWi: Did you copy your save 13:08:40 If you didn't, you can just shoot yourself now 13:08:52 If you did, file a bug :P 13:09:24 this is local, can I just provide a dump with the vault? 13:09:39 (I didn't figure out what was happening until after I killed the moth :[ ) 13:09:53 When I say "save", I didn't mean "dump" :) 13:10:12 The moth isn't important, but the save is 13:10:21 Vault info is saved with the level 13:11:02 k 13:13:31 which file is the save? or, which do you need 13:13:41 TGW.* 13:13:46 all? :| 13:13:59 You know how to zip them up, right? :) 13:19:33 overflow vault created on top of other overflow vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2146) by TGW 13:20:20 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:11 did it offend you to see your vault damaged so 13:31:13 yes 13:31:52 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:12 Oh whoa, adb17c3 is old :) 13:32:39 yep 13:34:07 Should have been fixed in fd7fda3e14ef7aa7b100a98028f0c5142d758394 13:34:18 Why were you playing adb17c3 anyway 13:34:25 (2:03:33 PM) TGWi: I'm using adb17c3, was anything like this fixed since then? 13:34:38 Crash when generating dlvl (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2147) by DickNixon 13:34:39 too lazy to get new binaries considering how little I play local 13:34:48 I know, but I don't have a mental map of hash revisions to dates :P 13:34:52 I thought it was something recentish 13:35:02 you don't?? 13:35:54 to be fair my other installation is 0.7 rc2 13:36:30 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Client Quit] 13:39:05 Napkin: Nope, I didn't have time to run it.. an "all" script sounds good! 13:39:31 I had a command to build everything in bash history :P 13:39:41 !time 13:39:41 Time: Jul 30, 2010, 06:39:41 PM, UTC. The 2010 tournament starts in 1 day, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 18 seconds. 13:40:12 hehe 13:42:00 So.. if I count correctly (always doubtful), it'll be 3 in the morning locally.. I'll probably still be at work. :> 13:42:18 5.30 am for me :) 13:43:06 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:43:31 I'll probably play a bit when I get home.. was it so that **ongoing** CDO games don't show up in the tourney pages? 13:44:16 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:27 -!- xyblor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:37 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:59 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:01 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 13:49:46 alright, update-mingw-all-trunk.sh created - accepts quiet parameter and passes it on 13:50:25 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:58 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:57 -!- Nexos has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:04 A runed katana on top of a magical trap (presumably the good old unreachable top weapon on a teletrap) => I only see the trap on the map (in normal color; 'x' shows it, though). Bug? 14:18:58 i thought if you know there's a trap there, then it shows the trap, rather than showing the item on top of it 14:19:39 Well it seems when you don't see the trap (through transparent stuff), the trap is shown in normal color; if you do see it, it's in reverse 14:19:56 Shouldn't it be reverse color in all cases? 14:20:13 (since you saw the square already) 14:24:30 and since 'x' shows it, even if the square is not visible 14:28:08 ah i see what you're getting at, it's the lack of consistency in showing or not showing that a known trap has an item on it 14:30:04 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:58 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:09 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:21 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:17 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:00 Do not mark upstairs leading out of branch as unused (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2148) by minmay 14:48:08 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:36 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:00 !apt mf 15:23:01 Mf: Air: -2, Armour: -3, Axes: -2, Bows: -2, Conj: -2, Xbows: -2, Dodge: 3, Earth: -2, Ench: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 120, Fighting: 1, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Inv: 0, Long: 1, Maces: -2, Nec: -2, Poison: 1, Polearms: 4!, Shields: 0, Short: 2, Slings: -2, Splcast: 0, Stab: 2, Staves: -2, Stealth: 1, Summ: 0, Throw: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Traps: -1, Unarmed: 1! 15:23:16 !apt de 15:23:16 DE: Air: 1, Armour: -2, Axes: -2, Bows: 1, Conj: 1, Xbows: -1, Dodge: 2, Earth: 0, Ench: 4!, Evo: 1, Exp: 140, Fighting: -2*, Fire: 1, Ice: 1, Inv: 0, Long: -1, Maces: -3*, Nec: 2!, Poison: 1, Polearms: -3*, Shields: -2, Short: 0, Slings: -2, Splcast: 4!, Stab: 1, Staves: 0, Stealth: 2, Summ: 1, Throw: 1, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Traps: 0, Unarmed: -2* 15:23:17 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: bye] 15:41:22 hmm - I can pay now 270gb - or pay the full fee of 4255gp to enter this trove? 15:41:29 *27ßgp 15:41:35 grrr... 270gp 15:42:40 arg.. broken and now 17 !oHealing :-O 15:52:17 and in 0.8 it's now always 17!oHealing 15:52:34 or 5 robes of resistance 15:52:35 why? randomness is bad? 15:53:07 in that you wont have the option to just pay 15:53:15 ah 16:00:23 Can't look up description for spriggans (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2149) by minmay 16:02:13 so what up guys 16:02:18 grats on .7 release 16:02:47 I should play again O_O I missed out on the entire .7 test server process 16:07:24 Vandal, yes, you have, and yes you should! 16:07:31 0.8 will be interesting, methinks. 16:07:43 oh? 16:07:50 What are the big targets for .8? 16:07:56 (I don't even know what they were for .7!) 16:09:30 skill pool revamp, raight? 16:12:40 Vandal, I believe victory dancing / xp pool will be looked at, amongst other things, I just remember (as a result of having numerous conversations here) that there have been several major proposals for 0.8 16:12:49 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.8_features 16:12:49 Though I can't recall many specific things 16:14:14 Did skill pools actually get changed in .7 or just converted? 16:14:58 Vandal: the changes were a resounding failure and had to be swiftly reverted 16:15:08 oh my 16:15:12 how come? 16:15:18 it turned out it's not a simple matter 16:15:33 What were the changes like? 16:16:56 for example, if you have someone who uses Axes and Transmutations, using statue form. With the changes as proposed, you had 100 axe swings for one transformation, and thus almost all xp went into Axes. 16:17:10 oooh 16:17:14 those kinds of changes 16:17:35 yeah I could see this being an extremely tricky thing to mess with 16:18:07 while in the old (and current) system, swinging the axe will quickly drain the pool and stop, while transformation will usually be done with a full pool from the previous fight 16:18:28 and skills like T&D are even worse 16:18:33 seems like it would be pretty straightforward to weight it by the same thing that skill xp assignment is currently weighted by 16:18:40 but shrug, i haven't really looked at it 16:18:43 (: 16:18:58 doy d-doy doy doy 16:19:18 doy: yeah, we tried that, but it's not as easy 16:19:31 yeah 16:19:33 there are no static weights 16:19:46 right, would have to collect data from all over the code 16:20:18 some builds will use 100 Axes:1 Tmut, while others may utilize 1 Axes:1 Tmut 16:20:39 and the current system handles that well 16:21:04 well, not perfectly, it leads to victory dancing which is an abomination 16:25:31 More warning for hitting friendlies, if the god forbids it (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2150) by Timbermaw 16:46:11 Hmm, "Eifeltrampel" is too long a name for CAO - how to I link "Eifel" to "Eifeltrampel" in Henzell? 16:47:03 last time I did that, I messed up everything and did it the other way around... help? :) 16:47:18 !nick Eifel Eifeltrampel 16:47:19 Mapping Eifel = Eifeltrampel 16:47:19 Mapping Eifel = Eifeltrampel 16:48:27 great, thank you, ogaz :) 16:48:28 Napkin: is that what you wanted? 16:48:44 I hope? 16:48:55 Eifel should be Eifeltrampel's second nick 16:49:51 I don't think that makes an effect on the tournament though 16:50:00 you'd have to ask greensnark 16:50:29 nono, it's just for the general !win etx 16:50:36 !gamesby Eifel 16:50:36 Eifel has played 1605 games, between 20070829 and 20100730, won 0, high score 548338, total score 6641352, total turns 7115274, total time 614:15:35. 16:50:40 !gamesby Eifeltrampel 16:50:40 Eifeltrampel has played 1605 games, between 20070829 and 20100730, won 0, high score 548338, total score 6641352, total turns 7115274, total time 614:15:35. 16:50:45 perfekt - thank you :) 16:51:33 !gamesby * name=Eifel 16:51:34 * (name=Eifel) has played 2 games, between 20071228 and 20071228, won 0, high score 28, total score 54, total turns 122, total time 0:03:37. 16:51:45 !nick Eifel Eifel 16:51:45 Mapping Eifel = Eifel 16:51:45 Mapping Eifel = Eifel 16:51:50 !gamesby Eifel 16:51:51 Eifel has played 2 games, between 20071228 and 20071228, won 0, high score 28, total score 54, total turns 122, total time 0:03:37. 16:52:00 !nick Eifel Eifel Eifeltrampel 16:52:00 Mapping Eifel = Eifel Eifeltrampel 16:52:00 Mapping Eifel = Eifel Eifeltrampel 16:52:10 You need both names if he's using both 16:52:24 :-O 16:52:37 He doesn't seem to be using 'Eifel' though, does he? :) 16:52:44 !gamesby Eifel 16:52:45 Eifel has played 1607 games, between 20070829 and 20100730, won 0, high score 548338, total score 6641406, total turns 7115396, total time 614:19:12. 16:52:49 he will do so for the tourney 16:52:56 Oh, he's playing on cao? 16:52:57 Eifeltrampel was too long for CAO 16:52:58 -!- xyblor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:03 no, but needs the config there 16:53:13 Well, I leave the config there and play on CDO :) 16:53:27 All you need is the team lines in the config on CAO 16:53:42 but isn't the account name important too? 16:53:43 Anyway, my CDO ping is better these days :) 16:53:52 Since I tunnel through Hetzner :) 16:53:59 hehe :) 16:54:20 Napkin: Well, he can create an Eifel account on CDO if he wants :) 16:54:29 i don't understand 16:54:35 Anyway it's a good idea to have your tourney account on both servers 16:54:56 For instance if you have 'ogaz' on cao but not on cdo, someone who registers 'ogaz' on cdo can screw with your tourney stats :) 16:55:14 I used 'ogaz' as the example just to disturb ogaz :P 16:55:15 -!- Siber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:55:23 oh, he has Eifel on both now, so he can be part of the clan 16:55:25 consider me appropriately disturbed 16:55:50 We didn't find any way for him to keep playing as Eifeltrampel and be part of the clan 16:55:56 or did I miss something? 16:56:04 No, that's right 16:56:13 case rests :) 16:56:20 roger and thank you :) 16:56:27 But he can play on CDO as Eifel if he wants to! 16:56:33 he has to :) 16:56:41 i already linked his macro and config 16:57:31 btw, for some reason the current DGL creates macros and configs suddenly with 666 permissions 16:57:32 Anyway, after tourney let's upgrade CAO dgl and raise the 10-char limit on names 16:57:42 yes sir :) 16:58:00 I'd do it sooner, but messing with dgl now is too dangerous :) 16:58:06 agreed 17:04:10 is it intentional that monsters that go berserk can "shake off their lethargy" even if they were slowed by a cause other than having been berserk? 17:10:45 Consistent display of items on traps whether the square is visible or not (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2151) by Nexos 17:12:40 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:20:51 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:44 -!- whig has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 17:22:07 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:39 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:22 -!- stabwound__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29:41 03pointless_ * r5fdb996e8623 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: [2127] Consider snozzcumbers fruit for Fedhas purposes 17:32:37 hey, the EU considers carrots to be fruit, because a piece of legislation says that jam can be made only with fruits, and some country (Greece?) has carrot jam. 17:32:52 evening 17:33:11 evening 17:33:41 meow! 17:38:11 a quite large technical question: I want to have Unicode characters inside of strings. Do we want: a) use UTF-8 regardless of the system locale, b) use wide strings, or c) use the system locale internally? I'm leaning strongly towards a). 17:39:14 i'd prefer a 17:39:17 the main cost would be having to convert the character set of every text file we write out (and read in, but that's just the .rc) 17:39:37 trying to maintain two different types of unicode strings based on os would be a huge pain 17:40:01 yeah, b) is definitely the worst option 17:40:16 you mean c? 17:41:13 oh, a) needs every system call like fopen() to be wrapped to use _fwopen(utf8_to_wstring) on Windows, too 17:41:29 c) could use system calls directly on all systems 17:41:45 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:46 but the problem is if you have a glyph that is not representable in the system locale 17:42:09 like, CHARSET_IBM (cp437) in ISO-8859-1 17:43:00 and that pretty much disqualifies c) 17:43:33 yeah, especially if we decide to start using unicode in data files or something like that 17:43:40 would be a huge pain 17:44:19 we can write wrappers for system calls easily enough 17:44:39 that sort of thing is pretty easily greppable 18:08:49 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:03 -!- Fangorn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:12 -!- DocAquatic has quit [] 18:27:07 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:57:37 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:58:52 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:06 -!- Niccus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:02 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:46:03 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:19 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:47:27 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:41 -!- Fangorn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:58 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:50:58 -!- Fangorn__ is now known as Fangorn_ 19:51:22 03by 07stone_soup-0.7 * r0611d64cbe20 10/crawl-ref/source/spells3.cc: Remove a bad assert in project_noise(). 19:56:39 Randart ring cannot be identified by scroll (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2152) by Hybrid 20:00:05 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:13 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:14:48 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:37 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58:22 -!- Niccus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:14 Can I vote for renaming giant bat to megabat? 21:05:04 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:33 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:40 -!- Siber has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:39 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:58 -!- Fangorn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:59 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:52:59 -!- Fangorn__ is now known as Fangorn_ 22:06:57 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:37 due: Seconded. 22:36:01 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100713130626]] 22:38:07 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:05 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:50:08 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50:19 -!- Fangorn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:36 crash immediately after resuming save, subsequently saved character is missing (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2153) by supulton 22:59:16 -!- Fangorn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:49 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:59:49 -!- Fangorn__ is now known as Fangorn_ 23:00:16 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:57 -!- Siber2 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:45 -!- Siber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:30:36 -!- supulton has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:54 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:41:55 -!- Zaba has quit [*.net *.split] 23:41:56 -!- Zao has quit [*.net *.split] 23:41:57 -!- violetj has quit [*.net *.split] 23:42:59 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:52 -!- violetj has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:48 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev