00:51:17 -!- SlyShy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:12 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Quit: Fangorn_] 01:00:10 -!- Fangorn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:12:20 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:32 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:38 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16:15 -!- ogaz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:02 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:17:10 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:58 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03:48 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:51:00 I have a rock worm zombie. 03:51:15 @??rock worm zombie 03:51:15 rock worm zombie (07Z) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 31-54 | AC/EV: 1/7 | Damage: 18 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 123. 03:51:42 !tell dpeg is the hole in the wall of dpeg_entry_water_temple_mockup intentional? 03:51:43 by: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 03:52:29 I keep getting that entry vault, or lemuel_entry_funnel 03:56:30 I keep getting high-level bookis 04:17:25 I's got shoals! 04:28:12 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:32 -!- JamezQ has left ##crawl-dev 04:41:45 -!- Niccus has quit [Quit: out] 04:50:39 !lm * type=crash 04:50:40 87. [2010-07-24] test the Covered (L1 HuFi) ? (D:1) 04:50:42 !lm * type=crash sprint 04:50:43 9. [2010-07-24] snoopy the Conjurer (L9 DEWz) ASSERT(thrown.defined()) in 'item use.cc' at line 2283 failed on turn 2491. (Sprint) 04:56:58 greensnark, my favourite snark! 04:57:22 Hey due! 04:57:28 No fresh cataclysms yet, I see 04:57:39 Meow 04:58:44 I think we should choose one decent "Go forth and fetch the orb" message and toss the rest 04:59:05 Starting each game with these messages is like being kicked in the shins right at the beginning of the game :P 05:00:02 Ideas: "FYI, The Macguffin in this dungeon is called the Orb of Zot" 05:00:09 HAH. 05:01:11 I think it's somewhat nice 05:01:33 "You lost a drinking bet and must now fetch the Orb of Zot!" 05:01:37 ARGH 05:01:39 Heh 05:01:39 NOOO 05:01:43 This map is uneveN!?!?!?! 05:02:00 * greensnark shoots due with tranquilisers. 05:02:15 bhaak: Un updated on the server yet? :) 05:04:35 greensnark: no. I think octe has hard case of real life :-) 05:04:41 :( 05:08:44 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:13:03 i like the welcome messages except that they're written in such grandiose flowery language that i can't help but sneer a bit 05:14:05 i wish they were more dry, like the rest of the game ("now all you have to do is get it back out of the dungeon","with the way you've been playing i'm surprised you got this far","you think you're getting the hang of this magic stuff",etc.) 05:14:47 I agree, except for liking them 05:16:07 RjY: Write up a message or two and if it's good I'll replace the existing set 05:16:24 I like the old Linley style messages much better than the current welcome messages 05:16:56 It's not dpeg's fault, but his German English comes through too strongly :) 05:17:11 bhaak will be along in a minute to talk about the "bosom of the dungeon" :P 05:20:55 you should rewrite crawl in German 05:21:14 that "English" thing is over 05:21:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HevM-35hJUE#t=01m08s 05:21:41 it was hot and cool when shakespeare did it, but nowadays ... :-) 05:25:05 eino made a wiki page for collecting welcome messages, though it may still be empty 05:26:01 try the language Beowulf was written in 05:26:06 that is, Icelandic :p 05:32:02 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:37:52 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:13 g'morning 05:39:04 good morning Napkin 05:39:23 moin rob :) 05:39:24 thanks for upgrading cdo 05:39:46 oh, no problem. headaches were killing me - took a while this time 05:43:44 heya Napking 05:43:45 * kilobyte meows at Napking. 05:43:47 all hail the napkinig! 05:44:19 hey due :) 05:44:31 03kilobyte * r111a8a234c4f 10/crawl-ref/source/spells2.cc: Stop the player from vamp draining known demons and undead. 05:44:33 03kilobyte * rec94c99ead3c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/clua/lm_trig.lua: A typo. 05:44:34 03kilobyte * r4f792b057ef9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Whitespace fixes. 05:44:39 03kilobyte * r8ed0f54fc2e0 10/crawl-ref/source/python/ (binfile.py crawl/__init__.py crawl/tags.py): Drop the python save reader, it never worked and is a lost concept. 05:46:50 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47:35 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47:51 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:05 We had a python save reader? 05:53:42 well, an incomplete one 05:54:58 Interesting 05:56:01 When I get around to redoing our save code using JSON or similar, we'll have a working python save reader 05:57:00 -!- Gretell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:06 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:46 JSON? 05:57:51 I thought it was going to be sqlite? 05:58:01 Just proposals 05:58:19 Ok, Henzell and Gretell ought to spam a little less now 05:58:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:57 -!- Gretell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59:00 due: orthogonal proposals 05:59:03 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:18 SQLite seeks to replace our current .zip/tar save packager 05:59:29 JSON seeks to replace our tag/versioning system 05:59:34 Ahhh. 06:00:11 I think replacing the zip/tar packaging is a long overdue thing, but using JSON would give us no benefits and just introduce waste 06:00:38 since you need to handle every field already 06:01:12 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:17 well, it'd make (decomposed) save files readable in a text editor, for debugging 06:01:21 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:42 Ookay, I hope I've caught the last of the spamtacular milestones 06:02:07 What was causing spam? 06:02:26 "Foo became a worshipper of Dogbert" "Foo brushed their teeth" "Foo entered the Lair" 06:02:49 i'm waiting for one of these 06:02:51 !lm * type=orb.destroy 06:02:57 oh, no sequell 06:03:14 Doing a db rebuild 06:03:53 Any references to game ids will break again, but people shouldn't be putting game id references in the learndb anyway :P 06:04:20 RjY: in a good number of bugs debugged, I can't think of any case when it would save me any time. Almost always, you want to access the save fields from within gdb, instead of some outside program. 06:05:05 doesn't look like there are any 06:05:17 JSON would make it easier for external tools to access saves, which is a point in its favour 06:05:17 RjY: also, it would blow up our already huge saves by a factor of 4+ 06:05:34 I'm not strongly in favour of JSON, but something like protocol buffers, maybe 06:05:41 kilobyte: +zlib 06:06:30 greensnark: zlib would save a bit, but binary numbers still produce a lot smaller files than decimals when both are compressed 06:06:36 Anyway, a new implementation would have to address things like save size to have a chance to go into master 06:06:43 kilobyte: True 06:07:44 the bulk of save data is well-compressible 06:08:06 DS monk should be a recommended combo 06:08:12 but adding zlib is a part of the "save packager" thing 06:08:23 syllogism: yeah, with all that unarmed mutations 06:11:56 I'm not sure if the advantages of having a human-readable save format outweigh the hassle of implementing it in a language that doesn't have builtin serialisation and abandoning a sane binary format 06:14:52 JSON doesn't name specific fields, too. 06:15:12 so you'd have a long string of numbers with no marks 06:15:35 SA says labs have rock -> metal with no stone? 06:15:45 Are these guys just playing tiles and not able to distinguish rock and stone? :P 06:16:09 rock -> metal is possible if it's unnaturally hard rock 06:16:18 "Shit, they made Labyrinths even more tediuous... now it goes straight from rock to metal, so you can wander for a long damn time without having a clue whether you're going in the right direction. I have no idea what idiot thought this would be a good idea" 06:16:34 Charming as ever :) 06:17:14 let's look for Crawl feedback on /b/ 06:17:31 Haha 06:19:54 no 06:20:07 let's not :) 06:22:42 "they" is a red flag that someone is not worth listening to 06:22:50 luckily, it tends to come early in comments 06:24:25 greensnark: "JSON or similar" was meant specifically to include protocol-buffers 06:33:32 Ooh, new wizlab? 06:33:41 Surr (L18 NaIE) entered The Hall of Maofiumi the Hellbinder. (WizLab) 06:35:20 I like the glyphs on the floor :P 06:36:04 "A hot floor" :) 06:36:41 Who designed this wizlab, it looks pretty cool 06:37:13 Although the Hellbinder is pretty weak :P 06:37:17 entering lab from within a lab (with trowel) asserts 06:37:25 Nice 06:37:32 Can we remove trowel already 06:37:35 never :P 06:37:40 Noooooo 06:37:49 Farmers' card that :P 06:38:12 Ok, I'll force level type = dungeon for the trowel portal effect 06:38:21 I still think the trowel portal is a grossly broken idea 06:38:37 Wait, I think most "good" Nemelex cards are grossly broken :P 06:39:22 greensnark: uhm, that makes no sense 06:39:34 greensnark: there are two problems with Trowel: 1. bugs, 2. balance 06:40:20 bugs are just that, they should be fixed and not papered over. Especially since no Trowel bugs exist that don't manifest for non-Trowel cases as well. 06:40:25 Trowel balance is not so hot either 06:40:42 Calling up portal vaults on demand is just broken 06:41:15 For 0.7 I'll just force it to dungeon 06:41:28 Allowing stacked level-area-types is not a 0.7 thing 06:41:41 Zigs from Pan, Abyss from Zigs/portals, etc are all broken 06:41:53 Yes 06:42:01 But they don't crash :P 06:42:26 That's a general stacked level-type thing 06:42:49 Once we have a real stack of level-area-types we can fix these 06:42:57 Obviously not going to happen for 0.7 06:48:05 folks, especially sorear: would you care to look at the spriggan assassin technical proposal at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:monster:spriggans ? 06:48:25 this plan includes some weird behaviour, I wonder if that's acceptable 06:49:11 note that the player isn't supposed to see the stealthed monsters, so we can get away with lots of weirdness 06:50:01 (sorear because we already talked about mgrid issues) 07:05:43 03greensnark * r8b45c28bcc81 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/cards.txt decks.cc): [960] Disable Trowel card outside LEVEL_DUNGEON areas to avoid triggering Crawl's level-area-type handling bugs. 07:08:48 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.7 * r0b16fb3c8040 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/cards.txt decks.cc): [960] Disable Trowel card outside LEVEL_DUNGEON areas to avoid triggering Crawl's level-area-type handling bugs. 07:09:26 what about entering zigs in pan? they still won't return you to the level you came from? 07:09:32 due: 07:09:33 Your dire elephant skeleton tramples Donald! 07:09:33 Donald dies! 07:09:45 :( 07:09:49 MarvinPA: Right, #960 is not fixed yet 07:10:05 st_: You bastard 07:10:10 righto 07:10:15 due: Dire elephants are your baby too! 07:11:15 -!- Kil2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:02 due: while looking for a tile for felids, I found one for black panthers in some random custom NetHack tileset. Just in case you need one for jungle_book 07:13:33 CAO updated to 0.7.1-3-g0b16fb3 07:13:35 True. 07:13:39 kilobyte: :p 07:14:04 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:45 Stable branch on CDO updated to: 0.7.1-3-g0b16fb3 (27.5) 07:16:08 Are we updatting CAO to follow stable regularly? 07:16:18 For important bugfixes, yep 07:17:33 Ah, cool. 07:17:43 How's Spprint going to be accessible from the 15th? 07:17:44 Dumping ZD? 07:17:56 No, I'll force the existing Sprint item to load only Mu's map 07:18:15 I need to test that in a non-intrusive way, meh 07:18:23 * due nod. 07:18:26 But first, I need to sort out the bugs in Nemelex Choice handling :P 07:19:34 aw 07:21:34 mmm, how good is to mess with trunk and trunk alone :p 07:21:55 except for Debian, but I haven't heard from Guus Sliepen yet 07:22:12 Someone on rgrmisc wanted .debs :) 07:23:45 ah. http://angband.pl/tmp/0.7.0/ for prebuilt ones (i386, amd64, armel) for lenny/most Ubuntus -- there's a 0.7.1 dir but it has only source and debs built against unstable 07:24:38 I started lenny builds for 0.7.1; not for armel though. 07:25:21 "Any idea on when .deb(s) will appear on angband.pl or in Debian Unstable?" 07:25:55 oh, I should have put them into my repository, not just a random dir for Guus Sliepen 07:26:07 since it's him who can upload them to Debian 07:26:53 The person asking was ok with unstable, so can I point him at your 0.7.1 dir? 07:27:27 sure, but I'll update the repository once the builds finish 07:27:41 Oh, you maintain a deb repo too? 07:27:58 * greensnark never knew. 07:28:16 due: Your cunning elephant lair secret doored room continues to mystify players 07:28:33 Aladar> this foresty area had 4 dire elephants in it, and a room with two bloody statues at the end 07:28:39 Aladar> but nothing in the room 07:28:41 :) 07:29:49 what exactly has been the reason why elephants were added? 07:30:00 due wanted them 07:30:04 why? 07:30:11 Because elephants are cool 07:30:16 :) 07:30:19 that's silly 07:30:28 Not really :) 07:30:35 Everything is silly to someone or the other 07:31:11 they're basically beefier death yaks, aren't they? Well, those've been annoying enough in lair entry vaults. 07:31:28 So you're worried about Lair entry vaults? :) 07:31:32 it's silly when a monster is added without adding anything to the game. 07:31:41 uhuh 07:31:42 Shrug! 07:31:57 You really cannot make changes to a game like Crawl without annoying someone :) 07:32:21 dpeg gets veto rights, or if a large number of the team dislikes the change 07:32:25 I suppose you hate the vast majority of monsters 07:32:31 Otherwise, well, can't make everyone happy 07:32:50 syllogism, I wouldn't say 'hate' :P 07:33:05 I suspect the reason NH development stalled is because everyone in the team has a veto :P 07:33:18 I don't especially like them, and I also dislike the process of adding more of the same stuff. 07:33:41 more variety is good 07:34:01 not when the variety is just in their names. 07:34:22 @??elephant 07:34:23 elephant (03Y) | Speed: 10 | HD: 9 | Health: 53-84 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Damage: 20, 5 | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 430. 07:34:28 You mean "not when the variety is just in their names, HD, hp, etc." 07:34:41 Which means you'd have to cull most monsters from Crawl to fit your minimalist definition :) 07:35:01 @?? dire elephant 07:35:01 dire elephant (02Y) | Speed: 10 | HD: 15 | Health: 92-133 | AC/EV: 13/2 | Damage: 40, 15 | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 1613. 07:35:02 "rat" "rat++" "rat+++" "rat++++" etc.? :) 07:35:16 Well, fine, a difference in HP makes it a bit harder to kill and makes it more likely to kill you. 07:35:44 sounds good 07:36:07 @??death yak 07:36:07 death yak (08Y) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 59-94 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Damage: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1058. 07:36:42 okay, it's beefier and deals more damage. Very interesting and most of all very different. 07:36:51 !coffee Zaba 07:36:52 * Henzell hands Zaba a mug of irish coffee, brewed by Cerebov. 07:36:53 you are rather obnoxious 07:37:10 No, Zaba is just moody today :) 07:37:24 one can do a lot of 'variety' that way, but the result is rather boring. 07:37:43 Adding variety this way doesn't prevent you from adding variety in other ways 07:37:55 And now, you really should pick up a nice bottle of Scotch or something and chill out 07:38:00 i thought elephants were distinguished by having some kind of reaching attack with their trunks. or did that not get implemented 07:38:10 I don't think they reach 07:38:22 elephants attacks should be able to push you backwards 07:38:25 they should be a lot louder then yaks when the noise stuff gets changed (?) 07:38:55 -!- jld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:13 Elephants should be able to displace smaller animals :) 07:39:31 And have really long foe memories :P 07:39:53 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:54 always proper pathfinding? :P 07:40:04 We have proper pathfinding? :P 07:40:14 Well, they're very good at picking up smells and sounds, so yeah! 07:40:36 imo they should take additional damage from ankuses 07:40:42 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:48 ankus of elephant slaying 07:41:22 I leave the test pages up for 10 minutes and people think the tourney has already started :P 07:48:55 Warak the Covered (L5 MDPa) ASSERT(index < SIZE) in 'fixedvector.h' at line 65 failed on turn 3735. (D:3) 07:49:51 They could trample plants, doors... 07:50:56 !lm warak -log 07:51:02 aw 07:51:30 !seen Sequell 07:51:30 I last saw Sequell at Sun Jul 25 10:46:50 2010 UTC (2h 4m 40s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 07:54:32 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Warak/ 07:54:40 greensnark: the repo at angband.pl is updated 07:54:51 14 crashes? 07:55:09 or does it always do that 07:55:20 I suppose it does 07:55:39 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:00 !lm warak crash -log 07:56:02 1. Warak, XL5 MDPa, T:3735 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Warak/crash-Warak-20100725-124855.txt 07:56:15 Stupid timestamps 07:57:41 Looks like out of boundsishness 07:57:57 How does travel try to pathfind outside the map though 07:57:59 !lm warak crash -tv 07:58:00 1. Warak, XL5 MDPa, T:3735 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 07:58:59 Did he use ] ? 07:58:59 was his term smaller than 80x25 07:59:15 !lm warak crash -ttyrec 07:59:17 1. Warak, XL5 MDPa, T:3735 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Warak/2010-07-25.12:37:10.ttyrec 08:00:13 His save is also corrupted, apparently 08:00:28 Good times :P 08:00:41 This is your assert, btw :P 08:00:48 Should have thrown it out :P 08:04:41 !whereis Warak 08:04:42 Warak the Chopper (L1 MiBe), a worshipper of Trog, is currently in D after 0 turns. 08:04:52 He went off to Sprint? :) 08:06:04 Did I accidentally revert submodules to 0.7 submodules? :P 08:19:01 Ahh, all he did was try to travel offthe map 08:19:06 So dumb 08:22:10 In the level map in master I get a white ^ instead of @ on the player's location 08:24:41 shouldn't level borders be unnaturally hard rock walls 08:25:25 yeah... I was getting that, my vampire was / and my drac was 8 before the colour change and then @ after (I'm using show_player_species so it's d now) 08:26:40 unnaturally hard walls should have a different tile and glyph/colour 08:27:24 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:28 in my config walls are #, perma walls ⣿ 08:27:56 Unicode showoff :P 08:28:05 i have a deep elf with ^ on the level map 08:28:31 i just figured his hat was glowing so much you could see it from space 08:28:43 :D 08:30:10 greensnark: the default Unicode glyphs suck halfling ass 08:30:28 but I seriously think we should have Unicode by default 08:30:32 What to do, they have to accommodate the brain damage fonts that ship with Windows :P 08:30:51 the default windows console font is so bad 08:30:59 well, you can still go quite a way while keeping withing WGL4 08:31:12 kilobyte: Fix it, then :) 08:31:16 i would also love unicode as the default 08:31:36 syllogism: Yeah, the default appearance of the Windows console is disastrous 08:31:44 I suspect most tiles players play tiles because of this one reason :P 08:31:56 syllogism: the best console font I know is Consolas, Microsoft bought that font from some company. It beats everything else by a mile. Too bad, it doesn't fulfill even Microsoft's own standards. 08:32:11 Tiles is getting prettier, but it cannot match a gorgeous font at a nice large point size :P 08:32:35 I use it as my font both on Debian and now even on maemo 08:32:41 Consolas? 08:32:51 Consolas is pretty decent, yeah 08:32:58 I will stick with Monaco, though :) 08:33:18 Consolas walls looks bad on my mediocre lcd :( 08:33:31 the fun thing is, its license allows you if you have a valid MSVC license. And the free download version counts :p 08:33:43 can just change the glyph of course 08:33:53 syllogism: it's beyond useless without subpixel hinting 08:35:02 syllogism: actually, freetype handles it well even on CRT with grayscale anti-aliasing, but ironically, Windows doesn't 08:35:42 so: freetype: no AA: useless. grayscale AA, subpixel AA: awesome. Windows: no AA: useless. ClearType: awesome. 08:36:05 really? 08:36:10 cleartype gives me a headache 08:36:12 can't stand it 08:36:36 freetype grayscale aa is quite nice though 08:36:45 doy: for Windows fonts other than the new C* stuff, I kind of agree 08:37:02 yeah, i haven't used windows since xp 08:37:06 so it might have gotten better 08:37:07 shrug 08:37:46 I don't use Windows either, but I admit that this font, currently owned by Microsoft, beats any competition if you have any kind of AA on. 08:37:48 You might want to qualify "windows" as GDI, as there's DirectWrite, WPF and other Fun Rendering Tech. 08:37:50 i prefer bitmap fonts with no aa for terminals though 08:38:14 since i tend to use pretty small fonts 08:38:27 another thing is, Consolas lacks a lot of glyphs you take for granted, so it's useless on any terminal that can't substitute 08:38:54 which, in another fit of irony, includes every single terminal on Windows :p 08:39:00 i use the standard x11 6x12 font for terminals on both windows and linux 08:39:22 Is there any way to actually experiment with subpixel stuff on Linux 08:39:41 you can stand a bitmap font? Do you use a 4 inch laptop with 4000x3000 resolution or such?? 08:40:00 the font rendering stuff all has FOO_RGBHORIZONAL enums but I haven't found anything about config files 08:40:17 kilobyte: antialiasing within a 6x12 pixel box is pretty unhelpful 08:40:33 sorear: not sure, but it'd be weird to not heed system settings 08:40:50 kilobyte: the thing is, there don't seem to *be* any system settings... 08:41:28 or maybe they're just very well hidden from everybody who doesn't use GNOME, and secret on the Internet 08:41:50 sorear: fontconfig configuration is a bunch of impossible to understand xml files under /etc/fonts 08:41:50 also: I use a bitmap display 08:42:15 all my fonts are converted to bitmaps before final rendering 08:42:27 doy: I hand-made a 4x5 font once, and without antialiasing it was kind of useless 08:42:37 it looks like you should just be able to link the subpixel config files from conf.avail to conf.d though 08:42:45 but not sure, i've never tried it 08:42:59 kilobyte: shrug, i don't particularly have any real justification i think 08:43:00 (: 08:43:02 doy: of course, antialiasing with hand is kind of different from the automated kind 08:45:35 03greensnark * r6e643e733df1 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Remove assert for trying to load non-LEVEL_DUNGEON levels in the travel cache. 08:45:37 03greensnark * r827174f63839 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Bounds checks for travel (Warak crash). 08:46:35 http://tozt.net/uploads/images/screenshots/terms.png 08:48:12 according to a magnifying glass, my display has RGBRGBRGB pixel order... I'm somewhat embarrased that I never noticed the critical video bandwidth failure 08:48:31 * sorear shelves the "try out subpixels" plan 08:50:42 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.7 * rc8acba0dc58a 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Remove assert for trying to load non-LEVEL_DUNGEON levels in the travel cache. 08:50:47 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.7 * r36a82adbd927 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Bounds checks for travel (Warak crash). 08:54:50 !lm * crash 08:54:51 88. [2010-07-25] Warak the Covered (L5 MDPa) ASSERT(index < SIZE) in 'fixedvector.h' at line 65 failed on turn 3735. (D:3) 08:54:54 !lm * crash -2 08:54:54 87. [2010-07-24] test the Covered (L1 HuFi) ? (D:1) 08:54:57 !lm * crash sprint 08:54:57 9. [2010-07-24] snoopy the Conjurer (L9 DEWz) ASSERT(thrown.defined()) in 'item use.cc' at line 2283 failed on turn 2491. (Sprint) 08:55:50 !lm * monstrous sprint 08:55:50 45. [2010-07-22] doy the Skirmisher (L2 DSCr) is a monstrous demonspawn! (Sprint) 08:56:46 what does that mean 08:56:52 Wait, we didn't remove monstrous? 08:57:23 We did not 08:57:32 Doesn't matter, announcements should be suppressed 08:57:45 doy: It means the game thinks you look good :) 09:00:55 !won HENe 09:00:56 No games for HENe. 09:01:00 !won * HENe 09:01:00 * (HENe) has won once in 312 games (0.32%): 1xHENe 09:01:14 New Nemelex Choice rules are throwing up lots of good characters :P 09:03:26 it's hard to come up with difficult combos these days 09:03:32 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:04:10 -!- rwbarton has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:21 especially background/class pretty much only affects the first few dlevels 09:04:24 since 09:04:29 syllogism: anything ogre? 09:04:59 should enforce religion too :P 09:05:47 as in, *Be anything non-Trog? :p 09:08:19 enforcing religion would be nice 09:10:25 MuEE of trog 09:11:42 if you enforce religion letting some DDs pass might prove interesting, since people couldn't cheap out with Makhleb 09:12:24 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:43 Makhleb should refuse worship from DDs imo 09:16:19 Adding religion would be quite amusing if we deliberately picked bad religions 09:16:44 sorear: how does that even make sense 09:17:14 For simplicity of implementation I'm going to pass on the religion thing though 09:17:22 I have till EOD today to fix up Nemelx Choice :P 09:17:25 maybe next year 09:18:20 Yes 09:18:29 doy: It doesn't have to make sense, it's a balance decision 09:18:46 sorear: balance decisions still have to make sense 09:18:57 Why don't summons give experience to fight? 09:18:58 and i don't agree that it would be good for balance either 09:19:26 "because you don't learn as much by watching someone fight instead of doing it yourself" 09:19:35 that one seems pretty straightforward d: 09:19:45 I meant you killing summons 09:21:24 okay, there's that, but god decisions are pretty much all flavor-based at the moment (even if there are also gameplay aspects as well) 09:21:35 it just feels inconsistent 09:22:37 also, i'm not really convinced that that's the proper solution to the balance issue anyway 09:22:40 !lg * char=DDBe won cv>0.6 09:22:40 No games for * (char=DDBe won cv>0.6). 09:22:46 !lg * char=DDBe won 09:22:47 No games for * (char=DDBe won). 09:22:53 !lg * char=DDBe ktyp=winning 09:22:54 10. Tenaya the Severer (L19 DDBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-05-22, with 2283948 points after 32192 turns and 4:36:54. 09:34:29 -!- Ekaterin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:47 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:29 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:31 @?? Nikola 10:00:32 Nikola (11@) | Speed: 9 | HD: 18 | Health: 190 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Damage: 20 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 3665 | Sp: shock (d18), chain lightning, blink, b.lightning (3d22). 10:01:14 got the bastard :D 10:06:16 speed 9 when he should be 11... 10:06:30 ok, make that 17 to catch spriggans 10:06:50 scratch that, 34 in case those bastards use haste 10:07:42 -!- Ekaterin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:08:13 Ok, scripts are aliive 10:08:17 First Nemelex Choice is up 10:08:22 AAAGH 10:08:28 what is it 10:08:34 I don't want to hear that the scripts are ALIVE 10:08:36 I just need to sort out the Sprint logistics 10:09:21 Oh, and linkize the rules page 10:14:08 syllogism: GhFE 10:14:56 !apt gh 10:14:56 Gh: Air: -2, Armour: -1, Axes: -1, Bows: -1, Conj: -2, Xbows: -1, Dodge: -1, Earth: 1, Ench: -2, Evo: -1, Exp: 120, Fighting: 1, Fire: -2, Ice: 1, Inv: 0, Long: -1, Maces: -1, Nec: 0, Poison: 0, Polearms: -1, Shields: -1, Short: -1, Slings: -1, Splcast: -1, Stab: 0, Staves: -1, Stealth: 1, Summ: -1, Throw: -1, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -1, Traps: -1, Unarmed: 1! 10:15:07 Should be pretty esay 10:15:09 *easy 10:15:17 There's a TameTeamMetaMeatMate clan :P 10:15:22 it's MuFE except you can melee better :P 10:15:47 It's quite likely that the Nemelex Choice will pick a good combo this year 10:19:46