00:03:22 03due 07holyhaul * r9d41aa958562 10/crawl-ref/ (46 files in 17 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into holyhaul 00:25:48 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:42:06 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 01:12:50 moin moin! 01:13:24 !tell Chapayev what's up? :) 01:13:24 Napkin: OK, I'll let Chapayev know. 02:02:16 -!- Napkin has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:17 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:17 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:17 -!- zenna_ has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:17 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:18 -!- CIA-39 has quit [*.net *.split] 02:02:18 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 02:04:37 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- zenna_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- CIA-39 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:37 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:35 -!- Blitz82 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:04 -!- Madtrixr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:07:05 -!- Blitz82 is now known as Madtrixr 02:29:00 Napkin: <3 02:32:15 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:53 -!- Poor_Yurik has quit [] 03:36:38 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:40:37 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:15 due! :D 03:51:40 how's your holyhaul going? 03:58:30 not bad! 04:01:54 great :) 04:25:51 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:50 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:49 due: there's no way to have a lua function shared between several subvaults but not global, right? 04:58:04 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: neunon] 05:30:55 KiloByte: yes 05:30:59 oh 05:31:06 no, not really 05:31:12 your best bet would be to just give your map a namespace 05:31:18 like I did for troves 06:17:06 !lm * type=crash 06:17:07 65. m1nced the Slinger (L12 HaBe), worshipper of Trog, in Bailey on -01-, with 0 points after 18390 turns and 1:12:52. 06:17:12 Nice 06:17:15 !lm * type=crash -2 06:17:15 64. [2010-06-27] noom the Conjurer (L13 DEIE) ASSERT(base type < NUM OBJECT CLASSES) in 'items.cc' at line 2828 failed on turn 22651. (Lair:1) 06:18:36 also nice 06:18:47 #64 is fixed 06:18:54 ace 06:19:05 65, on the other hand, is not :P 06:19:13 !lm * type=crash -log 06:19:13 65. m1nced, XL12 HaBe, T:18390 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/m1nced/crash-m1nced-20100630-192210.txt 06:19:42 Interesting 06:20:22 Not really a crash-crash that 06:20:31 Crash when moving flame(?) card targetting cursor over kraken (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1867) by Surr 06:20:46 Now that 06:20:53 Person is in ##crawl right now 06:21:36 Oh, the minced thing is a SIGHUP. 06:21:50 Accidentally closed the terminal--or gnome terminal-esque spam? 06:21:52 Yeah, the mincedd thing is not really a bug 06:22:12 The game got a SIGHUP but wasn't able to save-and-exit, and got killed by the alarm 06:22:51 However, there is no reason for us to be trying to shut down ncurses on HUP, so we can probably fix that 06:23:20 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:18 -!- ortoslon has quit [Client Quit] 06:28:43 Damn it, there was something I just thoguht of that I meant to do but now it's slipped my mind. 06:32:34 Should ophan blink? 06:36:01 Oh, autoexclusions for holy flames 06:36:33 Where are those these days 06:40:02 -!- ivan has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 06:40:10 -!- ivan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:37 Nightstalker reduced LOS looks incredibly annoying :P 06:47:35 KC_OTHER + KILL_MON is an invalid combination for clouds? 06:47:58 Why is that the case? Do I misunuderstand KILL_MON? OR is it okay for me to change the code? 06:49:13 I dpon't see why not, to be honest. 06:49:28 What exactly is the problem? 06:49:53 Or... 06:50:07 I'm trying to place the clouds for holy flames so that they don't get an autoexclusion. 06:50:16 Because their having autoexclusions makes no sense. 06:50:37 place_cloud(CLOUD_HOLY_FLAMES, *ai, caster->hit_dice * 5, 06:50:38 caster->kill_alignment(), KILL_MON); 06:50:42 causes an assert 06:50:45 on _killer_whose_matches 06:50:49 I'm trying just plain KILL_MON 06:50:50 The autoexclude code is probably a mess 06:51:03 It is 06:51:11 I don't feel like fucking with it right now. 06:51:38 Does it expect only KILL_MON_MISSILE perhaps 06:51:46 I think so... but this isn't a missile? 06:51:47 I'd expect it to handle KILL_MON too 06:51:56 Yeah, you can have clouds that aren't from spells 06:52:19 * due makes it have KILL_MON. 06:52:42 * due waves magic wand, etc. 06:52:48 Napkin: Can you chmod the latest core ? :) 06:53:15 Excellent. 06:54:07 03due 07holyhaul * r71f0f4c9f258 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Roughly finish implementing Ophanim. 06:54:18 03due 07holyhaul * r3b3fb3d9b3fb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (cloud.cc cloud.h spells4.cc): Fix Holy Flames causing autoexclusions from monster spells. 06:54:18 Nightstalker mutation seems to be calculated to give that driving-in-heavy-fog effect 06:54:22 * greensnark hates driving in fog. 06:54:29 * due in ur fog, driving it. 06:55:11 um 06:55:18 problem with trunk wall drawing 06:55:28 That's nice. 06:55:29 Explain? 06:55:47 A tile at the top of the map has got drawn as floor 06:55:52 and I can't walk on it 06:55:58 heh, one cronjob during the night is not enough, huh, greensnark? :D 06:56:00 casmith789: Copy your save 06:56:03 kk 06:56:12 That's not a drawing bug, it's a mapgen bug 06:56:26 http://crawl.develz.org/saves/dumps/casmith789-14550d7-100701-1156.tar.bz2 06:56:29 Thanks 06:56:45 Napkin: Not quite enough :) 06:56:54 that isn't trunk sorry, it's 0.7 06:57:15 No problem, the save file includes the version hash anyway 06:57:32 (the 14550d7) 06:58:44 done, greensnark - and cron changed to "45 * * * *" 06:58:50 Napkin: <3 06:58:53 <3 06:59:10 :) 07:00:14 <3 is all you need 07:00:21 hehehe 07:00:22 Yup. 07:00:27 Hi Keskitalo! 07:00:30 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:38 dpeg too! 07:00:39 Wow1 07:00:47 Ok, nobody tell dpeg what I was saying about his cat condition 07:00:59 Why not? 07:01:03 It was interesting. 07:01:12 -!- Enne has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:16 He might be distressed to find that his dark secrets have been revealed 07:02:32 Enne too! 07:02:38 Now there's an amusing backtrace: http://sprunge.us/XXLI 07:02:46 Gosh, wow. Three awesome people sign on right after each other! 07:02:49 greensnark: 81? 07:03:57 greensnark: Why so many ?? 07:04:21 Oh, 31, not 81. 07:06:59 Awesome, Surr's crash is reproducible 07:07:39 Nightstalker targeting asserts ftw 07:07:48 ftw! 07:08:11 haha, someone on SA already whining about the holy branch since it will cause good god worshippers to miss out on XP 07:09:06 also apparently the monsters are incredibly annoying/poorly thought out 07:09:46 Really? 07:09:52 Wankers :) 07:09:53 Nobody complained about the monster names? :( 07:09:58 They have disappointed me 07:10:03 Oh, were they actually playing it? 07:10:09 no 07:10:09 Do they not realise that none of it is finished, basically? 07:10:12 due: Unlikely, where would they get a build 07:10:22 greensnark: They might make one themselves? 07:10:23 Hi 07:10:23 I do not know 07:10:30 There are people in the world who can compile shit, yo 07:10:30 it's just one guy whining about the monsters, others seemed to like them 07:10:33 due: Most of them use the CDO builds 07:10:33 <--- example 07:10:41 syllogism: excellent 07:10:53 "omg where will we get our EEEEXXXPPPee" 07:10:57 dpeg is here, nobody mention the cats 07:10:58 It always comes down to EXP. 07:11:08 greensnark: I already said I don't want to know about fucking cats! 07:11:11 Er, the fucking cats. 07:11:18 Sssh 07:11:21 it would be an end game branch anyway 07:11:37 so it's not like they can't go just farm some other level instead :P 07:12:12 yeah 07:12:41 * dpeg has been stuffing cats three hours in a row today. 07:13:01 ... wow, and here I was joking about fucking cats. 07:13:08 Or this is some values of stuffing that I misunderstand? 07:13:39 in 2 week, I'll get a new cat. Therefore my house will stay dpeg-free! 07:13:42 due: welcome to the land of "people with no clue trash fresh ideas they don't understand". Get used to it, it's always like this. 07:13:59 bhaak: you can also have some of my stuffed ones, if you like! 07:14:10 dpeg: this is why I've been ignoring them. 07:14:16 dpeg: I prefer them moving! 07:14:35 bhaak: Animatronics. 07:14:44 due: despite all of this, it still hurts. You propose something. They: "this sucks [listing some entirely stupid reasons]". 07:14:50 Yeah. 07:14:54 I'm used to it, I think? 07:15:11 I need a thick hide +3 mutation. 07:15:11 he didn't even list reasons 07:15:12 I'm still a bit gobsmacked that OG17 complained about what I *named the fucking git branch*. 07:15:23 What did you call it? 07:15:31 Holyhaul? :) 07:15:46 where did he complain 07:15:52 It's cute, I like it. 07:17:06 will there be a holy rune? what will stop players from switching to TSO and cruising through the holy branch 07:17:27 kids, don't go out into the cold internet if you can't stand personal, stupid and completely baseless criticism 07:17:33 there could be holy monsters which are holier than the player :) 07:17:40 syllogism: in ##crawl 07:17:51 what 07:17:54 there's going to be a holy branch? 07:17:55 bhaak: I dislike OG17 a lot these days, so mostly I just ignore him. 07:17:58 oh 07:18:45 due: one person complained that unnethack is not un-nethack-ish enough. You sometimes wonder how we built a civilisation 07:18:52 Actually I have a problem with the holy branch 07:19:03 There's nothing about the word "holy" that associates it with "good" :P 07:19:05 I'm not sure we're going to have an actual holy branch in-game 07:19:09 03enne.walker 07stone_soup-0.7 * r45259cf0c833 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [1863] Spriggan tile updates. (Poor_Yurik) 07:19:10 greensnark: I know :D 07:19:11 03enne.walker 07stone_soup-0.7 * r3e5f0a1a1fe0 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon/spriggan/spriggan_rider.png: Fix rim on spriggan rider. 07:19:12 03enne.walker 07stone_soup-0.7 * r11cdfb71c0ac 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add iron imp tile. 07:19:12 But the monsters seem to want to be good 07:19:19 This is way too close to real life 07:19:25 yeah, I was referring to a dungeon branch 07:19:39 Did dpeg name those holy monsters? :P 07:19:40 is there going to be one, or where are the monsters going to spawn, anyway? 07:19:44 greensnark: I did :D 07:19:47 Aha 07:19:52 greensnark: I'm awesome. ;) 07:19:54 Your atheist views are showing :P 07:20:08 Why? 07:20:15 * due sticks them back into his pants. 07:20:19 :P 07:20:44 For that matter all of Crawl's good gods are rather obvious hypocrites 07:20:49 "good" gods 07:21:03 Anyway, what's so atheist about my naming? 07:21:07 it's ok, this means they're 100% consistent with RL religions 07:21:14 KiloByte: Exactly :) 07:21:59 HAHA 07:22:08 This person doesn't realise: none of these spells are going to be player-castable. 07:22:27 yeah i thought that was funny 07:22:30 Mu_ to the rescue! <3 07:22:31 but actually... I should apologize to, say, Norse or Babylonian gods. They didn't force any rules they didn't keep themselves. 07:22:38 greensnark: I always liked that all aspects of Crawl religions which relate to real life religion are negative. 07:22:40 since they all mention items in inventory and mutations and shit 07:22:49 dpeg: Yes :) 07:22:53 Linley did too 07:23:02 Great minds think alike 07:23:03 The Sword of Jihad was his, I think :P 07:24:29 there is not such thing as a "good muslim" -- you can at most have a damn cherry-picker who disregards parts of his holy books 07:24:47 !lg * place=wizlab 07:24:48 6. ribbit the Eclecticist (L16 DEFE), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, mangled by a Lorocyproca in WizLab on 2010-05-07, with 127703 points after 42399 turns and 4:21:33. 07:24:48 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:55 and for christians, it is not even possible to avoid cherry-picking substantial parts away due to the amount of self-contradictions in the Bible 07:24:58 !lg * place=wizlab -2 07:24:59 5. yogidabear the Severer (L17 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by an iron troll monk (summoned by old memories) in WizLab on 2010-04-14, with 146732 points after 56672 turns and 6:36:04. 07:25:06 Hey, nice. 07:25:37 Wait what 07:25:43 ? 07:25:44 summoned by old memories?! 07:25:47 Yes? 07:25:49 KiloByte: hey, that's half the fun being Christian! 07:25:51 How do you get that? 07:25:59 Wucad Mu's monastery. 07:26:05 Is that a custom Wizlab summon cause? 07:26:08 Yep. 07:26:09 Nice 07:26:17 And the effort I put into passing non-actor summoners through mspecs. 07:26:28 Stupendous? :) 07:26:38 for Norse gods: if you break your word, you will have Tyr and to some part Odin angry at you, but the other gods won't care. It's only Odin who can really affect you in the afterlife, though. 07:26:46 i wish those memories gave xp :3 07:29:01 wait, wait... so Wucad Mu is not only peppered with those orange crystal statues and have a portable Zot trap for those unspoiled who pick up all artefacts, but also doesn't grant xp? Nasty. 07:29:21 There's two potions of experience. :) 07:29:29 Well, one. 07:29:29 ah, that's better 07:29:36 One guaranteed? Something like that. 07:30:22 !tell by Can you take a look at 27f6f72e79370, nightstalker+target crash bug [1867] 07:30:23 greensnark: OK, I'll let by know. 07:31:32 KiloByte: I believe the Quran is full of contradictions itself. Also, the language is so opaque that you can interpret a lot (which people do all the time, of course). 07:31:58 Basically, any heavily edited holy text. 07:33:44 Chapayev's map is quite hard, I have to say :) 07:34:34 dpeg: But is it hard for syllogism? :P 07:35:06 I was trying to goad Chapayev into adding hellephants 07:35:09 Did I succeed? 07:35:26 beh, skepticsannotatedbible.org is some christian typo-squatter who claims to have a rebuttal to the real site but fails to bring a single consistent argument 07:35:34 Mu_ also mentioned adding the Serpent of Hell somewhere :P 07:35:47 but skepticsannotatedbible.COM is a valuable material 07:36:12 in the list of contradictions, it lists 455 for Bible and just 31 for Koran 07:36:48 * greensnark drags channel back on-topic. 07:36:57 Using earthmovers. 07:37:18 KiloByte: the Quran is much shorter. 07:37:45 serpent is in gehenna 07:38:02 Mu_: Your Sprint map has a Gehenna section? <3 07:38:06 they could at least have used version control back then. then we wouldn't wonder if it's a silly garbled copy of the bible 07:38:06 ye 07:38:18 it's just a hellion island :E 07:41:44 dpeg: that's a good point, but still, two pages say it's "about the same length as New Testament" and another that it's "4/5 the length of New Testament". NT has 27 books to OT's ~44 -- so proportionally Koran is more consistent. 07:42:35 KiloByte: I agree. Also take into account that the Quran was written later, so they could learn from their predecessors. In a sense, you could say that Jews -> Christians -> Muslims is all about streamlining religion. 07:43:18 greensnark: it has all branches :) 07:43:27 maybe not pan/abyss 07:43:35 Nice 07:43:52 due: bearwithus has floor squares on outer edges :( 07:44:00 It does? 07:44:14 Oh, oops. 07:44:19 Yes, the X on bottom-left and top-right can become floor 07:44:29 From casmith789's save 07:44:42 I trimmed the wormcave down and forgot to remove the Xs. 07:45:09 bhaak: a recently recovered copy of some books of the Bible shows that it was garbled totally beyond recognition through the ages. For Koran, one of early caliphs made an "official" version that was quite followed later. 07:45:44 due: Looks like this: http://sprunge.us/MSEY 07:46:00 The floor above the @ being on the map edge 07:46:02 "Oops". 07:46:09 Yeah, that's my fault. 07:46:13 Can I replace those 'X' with 'x'? 07:46:16 Yes yes 07:46:16 The two on the corners 07:46:17 Please do 07:46:21 Ok, will do 07:47:03 I would do it myself but I am ankle deep in shedu blood right now. 07:47:06 Can I also replace the 'X' on the thick northe edge with 'x'? 07:47:16 Sure 07:47:18 They may produce sealed one-square floor pockets 07:47:19 Ok 07:47:20 KiloByte: that's not surprising, especially the older books of the bible were being heavily edited for a long time before the coded somewhat fixed. 07:47:23 dpeg: actually, Muslim claims about Quran being just "some new revelations" "consistent with the Jewish/Christian bible" is just a bad joke. Obviously Muhammad has never read the bible or any even vague description of its contents. 07:47:56 greensnark: They're theere because they can occasionally produce long blank walls. 07:48:03 Which look really otu of place. 07:48:24 Can you add a potion of porridge wihle you're at it? Thanks! 07:49:18 KiloByte: but he has been exposed to Christian thoughts in his youth. So (naturally without understanding, as there couldn't be any) he proceeded to consider himself a messiah just like any other before him. 07:50:55 bah, not allowed to kick those two 07:50:55 by: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:51:03 also, hello 07:51:06 !messages 07:51:06 (1/1) greensnark said (20m 43s ago): Can you take a look at 27f6f72e79370, nightstalker+target crash bug [1867] 07:51:51 by: ok, ok, I'll shut up :p 07:52:15 by: I just added a check to not try to draw the beam path if the target is outside LOS 07:52:28 Hi by! 07:52:45 normally the targeting code seems to not allow targeting outside LOS 07:52:48 -!- kofrad has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:52:57 by: Surr's save makes it easy to repro the problem 07:53:01 Attached to that bug 07:53:56 Essentially in one particular position, find_ray finds a ray for a square outside LOS, so have_beam is true, and the assert is triggered 07:55:46 03greensnark * r714edc53d30e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Fix floor squares being generatable on map edge in bearwithus (casmith789). 07:56:21 oh, that was my find_ray fix recently to default to maximal radius 07:56:39 Ah 07:56:53 Ok, so 27f6f72e79370 is a reasonable fix for the nightstalker targeting thing? 07:56:57 I'm in ur radius, maximumingg it! 07:57:21 it doesn't fix the real cause of the bug, but it's a reasonable thing to do 07:57:25 It fixes Surr's crash, just wasn't sure if it was merely papering over the problem somewhere else 07:57:49 yes, an assert would be more fitting 07:58:07 * due wallpapers over the problem with paisly. 08:00:34 by: Ok, I'll pick this fix to 0.7 for now, feel free to improve it :) 08:01:33 yes, will push something in a minute 08:01:52 Great 08:08:09 I wonder if we'll see monsters shooting at night-stalker players form outside LOS through some other find_ray use; happy to wait for that to appear though :) 08:09:47 Multiple levels of nighstalker feel quite tedious 08:10:02 Surr's save felt quite claustrophobic and annoying to explore in 08:10:32 greensnark: I think Nightstalker is very good. 08:10:38 dpeg: I hated it :P 08:11:04 greensnark: really? 08:11:14 Losing one square of LOS would be just about bearable, multiple squares were really annoying 08:11:34 And this was just for navigating around the level looking for a repro for that crash :) 08:12:11 Maybe it's just me, dunno 08:12:11 finally got a mummy spellcaster going in sprint and erolcha abyssed me :( 08:12:20 Go Erolcha <3 08:12:27 Erolcha banishes too rarely :P 08:12:42 greensnark: nightstalker is great for stabbers and fighters. 08:13:01 dpeg: In terms of game advantage, yes 08:13:10 In terms of interface? Not sure :P 08:13:59 probably also for conjurers 08:14:20 by: Nightstalker is good for conjurers? 08:14:26 How so? 08:16:00 they can crystal spear anything on sight 08:16:08 Ah 08:16:30 probably that first los reduction is ideal for most conjurers 08:16:43 by: yes 08:17:00 greensnark: the interface is taken care of by pressing o! 08:17:13 if you fight melee enemies (ie, most of them), you'd rather have long LOS 08:17:18 dpeg: I used o, but I found it quite claustrophobic 08:17:21 against casters, it's about even 08:17:54 it's just enemies with ranged weapons that make nightstalker beneficial for conjs 08:18:29 dpeg: does resting feel slow for you in sprint as well? 08:19:02 by: indeed, especially on Mu_'s map. Even on a fast machine. 08:19:04 Sprint has a gazillion monsters acting during rest 08:19:19 But it would be good to profile and speed it up 08:19:20 it can be bad for CAO 08:19:25 Yes 08:19:26 I did a little profiling, roughly 1/3 monster actions and 2/3 cloud-forced LOS invalidation 08:19:36 Aha 08:19:58 Mu_'s been overdosing on clouds? :P 08:19:59 by: yes. I thought it's the high density of content (monsters, clouds, triggers). 08:20:14 Triggers shouldn't be CPU hogs 08:20:17 the LOS invalidation could probably be improved, but I'm not sure how 08:20:19 I'd say amount not density 08:20:39 triggers fire every single turn, but there's not many of them 08:20:44 greensnark: we may have to make the Nightstalker mutation optional (i.e. the player can disable it) but I am not sure I like that right now. 08:21:05 people can just quit if they like 08:21:08 dpeg: It may be that most players love it, let's see how it's received :) 08:21:42 I need to get rax to finalise tourney rules 08:21:58 There have been some c-r-d mails regarding tiles license. Can I delete those? 08:22:12 I thought Enne answered 08:22:20 I think enne dealt with it? 08:22:29 What happened to the grand plans to release Crawl as GPL? :) 08:22:32 by: a cloud could clear only LOS in its vicinity 08:22:39 it does 08:22:56 greensnark: this is hopeless, eh? 08:23:19 We should just go ahead and call it GPL and let any outraged past authors contact us 08:23:19 BWR doesn't respond to mails, at least not to my ones. Linley approved, but that won't be enough. 08:23:24 At which point we can rewrite their contributions 08:23:34 greensnark: I like that aggressive stance. 08:23:52 Crawl's license is crap, we really should kill it 08:24:02 but instead of resetting whole arrays, the invalidation code should probably just flag each such array 08:24:14 Funny that Linley proceeded to study law :) 08:24:31 Why GPL and not MIT? 08:24:46 GPL is more in tune with the spirit of the existing Crawl license 08:24:52 doeg: oh, you already asked Linley? Great! 08:25:12 03enne.walker 07stone_soup-0.7 * r1f1da3368aae 10/crawl-ref/source/tilemcache.cc: Give equipped weapon tiles to spriggans. 08:25:17 yeah, even FAQ in most historic releases says GPL contradicting the LICENSE file nearby 08:26:07 KiloByte: yes, I managed to contact Linley. He's cool :) 08:27:21 the tiles folks may want some other license (like public domain), but unlike Crawl's core, that's doable since: 1. tiles are young, 2. all history is in version control, 3. there are few contributors 08:27:48 man, the angband team actually contacted every single asshole that ever sent a patch 08:27:49 greensnark: but GPL would kill an iphone license 08:27:54 greensnark: erm port 08:28:01 3 is more a case of us systematically neglecting to credit tile artists 08:28:04 in order to relicense from Angband to GPL 08:28:15 everything they didn't get a signoff for they rewrote or ditched :P 08:28:28 elly: if you can do that, it's the easiest and best way :) 08:28:34 code contributors get credit instantly. I got my mention for a one-effective-line patch to levdes.vim 08:28:55 I dunno about easiest, bhaak 08:28:56 sorear: Hey, now! I appreciate you adding Poor_Yurik to the CREDITS, but I was waiting on what he wanted to be listed as. 08:29:02 sorear: I doubt there are any not at least mentioned in commit messages 08:29:17 sorear: for tiles, that is. 08:32:09 * due goes. 08:32:49 elly: yes, "easy" :-) but it worked, surprisingly 08:33:17 what kind of speed-up would a properly implemented FixedArray::zero() have over FixedArray::init(whatever)? 08:34:08 (where ::zero() in this case should just zero out all the memory, while init loops over the entire array) 08:34:42 properly implemented, for simple types they will be exactly the same 08:35:00 most CPUs don't actually do zero fills 08:35:05 they do pattern fills 08:35:30 os properly implemented FixedArray::init could be a whole lot faster? 08:35:40 i386 usually using 8 or 16 byte mmx registers 08:36:05 mmx is old-school 08:36:13 ppc uses the FPU, IIRC, so 8 bytes with potential gotchas if your bit pattern looks like -0.0 or SNaN 08:37:18 I'm using mmx to generically talk about all the various "Streaming SPECint Extensions" ISA gimmicks that have come out over the years 08:39:56 bhaak: I don't give a hang about iPhone ports :) 08:40:34 -!- Eronarn has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:40:34 are the iPhone restrictions compatible with the Bison license, too? 08:40:36 greensnark: it's just the most prominent example :-) 08:40:45 I don't see any reason to contact everyone who ever contributed to Crawl 08:40:49 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:00 If there are howls of outrage from someone, we rewrite their contributions at that point 08:41:35 yes, I'd hope announcing the intent publically and waiting a bit for reactions should suffice 08:41:36 Enough of the code has been rewritten to the point that the core team accounts for most of it 08:41:48 greensnark: but if somebody wants to fuck you they could do that pretty harshly. At least the major contributors should agree 08:41:51 greensnark: go for it 08:42:09 bhaak: They can sue us for damages, sure 08:42:16 damages <3 08:42:25 uhm, the current license is far LESS friendly to iPhone than the GPL, any version 08:42:30 Statutory penalties would probably not be awarded in this case 08:42:33 I'm willing to risk it 08:42:53 it explicitely disallows merely linking to the source if the distribution is commercial 08:42:54 Any of the past contributors could sue us right now for using their contributions 08:43:09 We have no proof that the authors of all of the patches we applied agreed to the Crawl license terms 08:43:34 In any case, anyone wanting to sue me in an Indian court is welcome to try :P 08:43:36 greensnark: at least in europe they can also make you destroy the distributed pieces 08:44:00