00:10:23 is there documentation on the language of .des files? 00:10:33 -!- Enne has quit [Quit: zzz] 00:12:41 Niccus: yes. 00:12:49 Niccus: docs/design/levels/syntax 00:12:58 ah, thanks 00:19:58 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:30 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 01:13:11 @??iljyb 01:13:11 unknown monster: "iljyb" 01:13:22 @??ijyb 01:13:22 Ijyb (02g) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 28 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Damage: 4 | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 25. 01:14:30 Ijyb is cute and adorkable <3 01:14:40 Poor_Yurik: I'm sure you can do elephantstatues as well ;) 01:15:02 Any way I can find out what a monster's attacks are? 01:15:14 and types of weapons they carry? 01:15:36 Yeah, I'll probably do statues, but I have a ton of other tiles to do right now 01:15:37 mon-gear.cch has equipment 01:15:44 ty 01:15:46 mon-data.h has attacks 01:18:26 hm 01:18:33 ijyb was just hitting me with ranged attacks 01:18:39 but I forgot to look at what 01:18:42 and I don't see it in his file 01:18:48 probably a wand 01:18:49 or portion of the code about him rather 01:19:07 ah ok, thanks. wanted to make sure he wasn't a regular dart thrower 01:19:32 if he had a ranged attack that he used, I'd draw him to fit that 01:19:58 right now, he just looks like an even more ugly gobbo 01:20:37 definitely a wand 01:20:58 does he use wands a lot? 01:21:02 no 01:21:07 k 01:22:42 generally, he either has a ridiculously highly enchanted club or some sort of dagger 01:23:54 @??goblin 01:23:54 goblin (15g) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1 | Health: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Damage: 4 | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1. 01:26:37 -!- Niccus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:39:35 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:50:25 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:43 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:47 -!- sorear has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:27 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:39 !seen by 03:30:40 I last saw by at Fri Jun 18 12:32:28 2010 UTC (19h 58m 12s ago) saying !learn add hellephant Similar to Nessos, except that it hits harder in melee and doesnt haste. (And no poison breath.) on ##crawl-dev. 03:35:12 -!- Niccus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:41 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:42 Okawaru is broken in 0.6.1 03:37:00 first gift, +2 RoR 03:40:18 That's crazy stuff 03:40:30 I want my +0 handmade animal skins 03:40:36 Or rather, I want them for other people 03:41:36 greensnark: need new unrand called okawaru's animal skin 03:50:58 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:36 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:55 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:56 night all 04:27:14 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 04:30:13 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30:27 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 04:35:01 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:11 03greensnark * r9d2d31534bf4 10/crawl-ref/source/menu.cc: Accept ^K/^P and ^J/^N as aliases for up and down arrows in newgame menus. 04:44:12 03greensnark * rbdc215203d00 10/crawl-ref/source/ (12 files): Move Sprint saves into $SAVEDIR/sprint. 04:44:17 03greensnark * r4d41c30e93a3 10/crawl-ref/.gitignore: Ignore tmp directories in tree. 04:49:06 !tell by Can you review bdc215203d00. I may have made mistakes in the newgame code. 04:49:06 greensnark: OK, I'll let by know. 04:50:28 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 04:51:31 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:56 You... you... made a *mistake*??? 04:55:10 greensnark: Do you like the hellephants? 05:00:47 due: They look good :) 05:00:54 Where are they used? 05:02:13 presumably some Hell :P 05:02:20 though there's a zot vault too 05:12:12 Lair:8! 05:26:15 03greensnark * rff1e497c19dc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc dat/des/branches/abyss.des): Reduce chances of abyss vaults, fix the abyss builder sometimes using multiple exit vaults for the same area. 05:28:42 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:33 -!- Niccus has quit [Quit: out] 05:44:55 greensnark: Nowhere yet. Tryingto thinkup a dastardly use. 05:46:20 Helleporters that helleport you to a hell vault with hellephants 05:46:28 Helleporter<3 05:46:45 I was thinking an elephant-esque door vault. 05:46:56 Are they too difficult for a late vaults ubervault? 05:46:59 Or a late dungeon ubervault? 05:47:27 No, not too difficult 05:48:10 Ooh, excellent. 05:48:21 I think I'll call it "elephant crossing". 05:48:37 ever though about multi-square-monsters? 05:49:24 aka long worms done right? 05:49:28 greensnark? 05:49:34 Hm? 05:49:44 Actually, that's what charles is doing with tenties and kraken. 05:49:45 * greensnark is not fond of multisquare monsters. 05:49:52 Yes 05:51:37 they're tougher than titans 05:52:05 Hellephants? 05:52:08 yes 05:52:09 Yes 05:52:09 !fight hellephant v titan 05:52:13 True 05:52:13 Not that that matters 05:52:30 !fight hellephant v titan t:20 delay:0 05:52:34 well i wouldn't put many in a vaults vault 05:52:35 ;p 05:52:43 17 v 2. 05:52:49 Mu_: I was thinking one. 05:53:24 then again the actual doorvault is pretty unfair anyway so :3 05:53:25 Do we have special death messages for elephants 05:53:36 Doorvault is horriblynasty. 05:53:37 i.e. "Foo trampled by an elephant on Lair:1" 05:53:39 You can get mulltiple titans. 05:53:45 greensnark: I don't think so; we should. 05:53:47 Vaults are totally allowed to be nasty, people! 05:53:55 they should take additional damage from ankuses imo 05:53:57 Stop being so disgustingly concerned about players :P 05:54:44 The door vault is distilled awesomeness 05:54:57 Especially on D:13 05:55:07 Everybody should have a door vault on D:13 05:55:14 It's like a fundamental human right 05:55:16 it's one of my favourite vaults 05:58:00 would it be possible to make a door unopenable without having a certain item in your inventory 05:58:40 -!- Amonchakad has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net] 05:58:41 Yes. 05:59:05 i'm placing runes on my sprint map for fun but i figure i might as well put them to use 06:01:16 Hm 06:01:20 Would require a bit of tweaking 06:03:03 greensnark: You actually understand the chance magic? 06:03:13 due: Chance magic? 06:03:18 You mean vault chances? 06:03:22 Yes, I do 06:04:35 You... freak! 06:04:43 (I don't) 06:04:53 I wrote the code :P 06:05:06 ... I repeat. 06:05:09 ;) 06:05:33 :P 06:05:39 "It's quite simple!" 06:05:47 I think I'm finished my Lair:$ vault. 06:05:51 Ooh! 06:06:16 It has anacondas and pools and statues that come alive and dire elephants and yaks. 06:06:28 Do the anacondas ssssing 06:06:34 I'm not sure about the yaks. 06:06:35 Trusssst in me 06:07:10 We'll use normal elephants instead. 06:07:12 Apparently Kaa is a rock python 06:07:49 Just tiles now! 06:09:49 then do alchemist ;p 06:11:34 due: I can give a brief overview of CHANCE if you want :) 06:11:37 I'm still pondering how to do that one. 06:11:40 greensnark: That would be nice! 06:12:20 Ok, let's say the dungeon builder wants to place a map selected by a tag like "abyss" 06:12:28 It makes a list of all vaults with that tag 06:12:40 Then it checks that list for vaults with a CHANCE: 06:13:00 OK. 06:13:07 CHANCE: has a priority (the first number) and the actual probability (the second number) 06:13:23 The builder sorts the chances by priority and starts with the highest priority chance 06:13:58 So for a CHANCE: 10000 : 50%, that vault has a 50% chance of being used 06:14:12 Assuming that 10000 is the highest priority in the set 06:14:19 Okay. 06:14:28 he default chance priority bbeing 0? 06:14:28 If that vault is not used, the builder picks the next CHANCE and so on 06:14:47 Default is zero, but I think all CHANCE lines specify an explicit priority 06:15:12 If the builder doesn't pick any vaults with CHANCE:, it then picks one of the remaining vaults using WEIGHTs 06:15:18 I meant, if there is no chance line? 06:15:47 http://pastebin.ca/1886333 Jungle Book! 06:15:50 If there's no CHANCE line the builder doesn't apply the CHANCE logic at all, so the map will be picked by WEIGHT only, assuming no vault with CHANCE was picked ahead of it 06:16:15 So in the abyss.des file, there's currently a 90% chance of hitting the dummy vaults 06:16:26 And a 10% chance of using one of the real vaults 06:17:07 Ahhhh. 06:17:16 Excellent, that makes complete sense, actually. 06:17:25 (Scary.) 06:17:28 Hehe 06:17:45 I added CHANCE primarily so that the chance of not using vaults could be removed from dungeon.cc 06:18:08 Sensible. 06:18:11 is superb_item like | 06:18:15 (Does anyone have comments onmy vault?) 06:18:16 Yes. 06:18:57 looks cool :) 06:19:12 Apart from teh broken, whichI justed fixed (wrong numbers) 06:20:18 -!- sander_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:24 That anaconda is going to claim a few victims :D 06:20:43 you have 4's on the map but i don't see them defined (i may be dumb) 06:20:56 -!- sander_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:21:29 We need a pastebin that highlights vault syntax 06:21:42 Mu_: Yeah, that's what's broken. 06:21:45 greensnark: I hope so! 06:21:59 oh sorry :) 06:22:36 * due tweaks loot slightly. 06:23:48 the statues will do the dis thing and be shatterable but still spawn enemies after being shattered away :3 06:24:12 Yup :D 06:24:27 I could add veto-sthatter. 06:24:47 And in! 06:24:51 03due * r38d1f1773216 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Elephants on parade! 06:24:57 \o/ 06:25:02 Oh, booboo, damn. 06:25:03 I think. 06:25:06 What about tiles? 06:25:21 For the stone walls and stuff 06:25:51 It'll just use defaults. 06:26:44 I want to do a weird, out of the blue Lair:$ vault. 06:26:53 03due * r71b8c8d4d03b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Fix mistake in jungle_book. 06:27:04 Maybe a corner forest that leads to a hut where a wizard has been opening portals to hell: demons and a hell portal. 06:27:15 (No hellephant). 06:27:17 undead lair:8, elephant graveyard! everybody loves undeadified branch ends!! 06:27:35 Nah. 06:31:18 due: A hellephant surrounded by demonic plants, pleeeeeease 06:31:35 You have time till it breaks itself loose to get the hell out of there! 06:31:47 (Don't give it blink) 06:32:09 (It already has blink) 06:32:18 You can remove it for this particular monster 06:32:22 03due * rbe945a57cbe5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Hellephant zoo. 06:32:26 True.. 06:32:27 Since it's in the Lair and we want to be kiiind 06:32:31 "worn hellephant" 06:32:46 i was surprised that monsters with blink can blink through glass walls 06:32:48 !fight hellephant hd:50 v cerebov 06:32:54 Perhaps the process of being wrenched by the evil wizard from its favoured hell plane has affected its blink 06:33:03 Why are they asleep 06:33:07 Can you tune in? 06:33:12 They're not in LOS of each other 06:33:18 Fail. 06:33:27 The arena used to force them to charge each other, but that code's been removed 06:33:34 Poor hellephant :( 06:33:43 !fight 99 hellephant hd:50 v cerebov 06:33:46 The only thing that extra HD does for it is increase breath attack damage 06:33:51 Die cerebov die. 06:33:54 cerebov should ride a hellephant imo 06:34:00 He should. 06:34:09 99 hellephants win! 06:34:15 !fight 99 hellephant v cerebov 06:34:16 :P 06:34:52 Blinking fire-breathing elephants, come ooon. 06:55:07 can you change the description of a specific feature without changing all of them 06:55:14 so like without using dgn.set_feature_desc_ 06:55:43 Yes 06:55:45 See my map 06:56:06 i wasn't sure what the portal_desc thing was 06:56:07 Use portal_desc{desc="",desc_long=""} 06:56:26 ok 06:58:53 perfect, i now have a 14x16 room within the dungeon somehow surrounded by 'open sea' 06:59:05 Haha 06:59:22 How did you do that? :) 06:59:31 Awesome! 06:59:37 03greensnark * r9d2f4899e9df 10/crawl-ref/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Keep track of whether vaults have been seen by the player, and unregister unique abyss vaults if they're shifted away before the player has seen them. 06:59:58 redescribed the unnaturally hard rock :p 07:00:19 So unnaturally hard rock turns into open sea when redescribed <3 07:00:28 Excellent <3 07:02:47 it's for the shoals room in the sprint map ;p 07:06:00 Does it have DEMON TURTLES? 07:06:25 oh man i forgot about turtles 07:15:12 demon turtles<3. 07:16:21 03greensnark * rfaa7f278fbe6 10/crawl-ref/source/hiscores.cc: [1778] Don't kill crawl if a scorefile line is corrupted. 07:21:06 !lm reid type=crash 07:21:06 No milestones for reid (type=crash). 07:21:12 Oh, 0.6 07:24:38 !lm * type=crash 07:24:39 35. [2010-06-17] BirdoPrey the Sneak (L7 VpAs) ASSERT(item.base type == OBJ CORPSES && item.sub type == CORPSE BODY) in 'misc.cc' at line 156 failed on turn 5549. (D:5) 07:24:43 ... wow 07:43:06 "-CFWARN_L += -Wno-parentheses -Wwrite-strings -Wshadow -pedantic -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0" in makefile is still causing w7 cmd.exe to crash, should I br this or does anyone know offhand what the issue is 07:46:09 syllogism-: I just built on Win7 without trouble? 07:46:20 I thought -pedantic was removed from the makefile 07:46:38 sorry I copied the wrong line, was looking at the diff 07:46:45 but it's still crashing here 07:47:30 I think it compiles if I revert that -pedantic change 07:48:17 oh sorry, that's not the line that's causing the crashes 07:48:29 CFWARN_L += $(shell w=-Wno-array-bounds;echo|$(GCC) -E - -Werror $$w >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo $$w) 07:49:07 What arguments are you giving to make 07:49:07 /dev/null on windows? 07:49:12 due: msys 07:49:18 make debug 07:50:36 just deleting that fixes the compile issues, by figured it out remotely but nothing was done about it at the time 07:50:40 And it crashes immediately? 07:50:44 yes 07:50:52 Weird, no crash here 07:50:58 Might be a newer msys bug 07:51:06 They've had some weird bugs lately 07:51:17 Ahhh. 07:54:33 syllogism-: What happens if you enter 'w=-Wno-array-bounds;echo|gcc -E - -Werror $w >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo $w' at the msys prompt? 07:54:42 Without the outer single quotes 08:04:34 My computer self-destruted when I did that. 08:04:38 :( 08:06:49 What? :P 08:07:01 You must be kidding :P 08:07:03 back, nothing happens 08:07:15 No crash? 08:07:18 no 08:07:25 That's essentially what that line does so that's puzzling 08:07:29 note that I'm using cmd.exe to compile, not git bash 08:08:26 You just start a new cmd.exe and run make? 08:08:44 i've a batch file but yes 08:09:17 You have msys bin in path, I guess? 08:09:34 Let me try to repro this 08:09:42 greensnark: Hey, does using PLACE: Lair$ mean that it'll always show up? 08:09:49 If there arenoother PLACE Lair:$ maps? 08:10:58 There's a possibility it might not :) 08:11:04 Are you seeing it missing? 08:11:25 No, just wondering :) 08:11:33 I'm not sure that's the route dpeg wanted to go for Lair endingmaps. 08:12:02 Let me check what happens with PLACE for Lair 08:12:08 PLACE should work for non-minivaults, actuall 08:12:46 Soadreqm (L8 DSSt) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 347 failed. (D:7) 08:13:16 Nice. 08:13:26 Yes, PLACE should be guaranteed 08:13:32 Seeing a lot of crazy crashes and no bug reports for them. 08:13:40 Most players don't file BRs 08:13:48 !lm Soadreqm -log 08:13:50 611. Soadreqm, XL8 DSSt, T:10339 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Soadreqm/crash-Soadreqm-20100619-131245.txt 08:13:50 should have added the milestones long ago :P 08:14:01 Yes, crash milestones were a really good idea 08:15:31 Okay,the outline of my evil forest done. 08:16:06 syllogism-: What exactly do you do in your batch file :P 08:16:13 just make debug :P 08:16:35 It crashes when I do it manually too :P 08:16:44 What does your path look like 08:16:50 It's a mess :P 08:16:57 That's a given :P 08:17:01 My Lair;8 takes forever to gen. 08:17:16 why? 08:17:23 due: Is your code committed? 08:17:36 If i build latest code will I see the forever-gen 08:17:45 Yes 08:17:55 Ok, I can see what's causing the holdup 08:17:58 Start a new wizard game, &~L8 08:18:00 what should I have in it, I'm pretty sure I've duplicates 08:18:01 It just haaaaaangs. 08:18:06 what's supposed to be so special about l:8 ? 08:18:15 syllogism-: No idea, I just want to duplicate your setup to test :P 08:18:35 How I usually build is to run \msysgit\msys.bat 08:18:39 And then make 08:18:46 Both from the Crawl source dir 08:18:57 make debug, rather 08:19:04 Does that crash for you? 08:19:22 Of course, my Path is clean because this is a VM that I use for nothing else 08:19:34 It takes at least 5 to 8 seconds to build Lair:8. 08:20:02 due: No delay here 08:20:08 Let me try again 08:20:14 This is with the jungle book vault 08:20:25 If you have other vaults, give me a patch 08:20:37 http://sprunge.us/giTB 08:21:34 Can we increase the generation rates of the rubicon vaults? 08:21:46 VETO: Lair:8 has isolated areas with no stairs. 08:21:56 Hm. 08:22:01 If it picks the evil jungle 08:22:03 It must split the map pretty regularly. 08:22:23 Are you seeing any slowdown in generation, though? 08:22:28 No, I think the subst within the jungle is causing it 08:22:31 greensnark: How do I use it :P 08:22:33 SUBST: T = ttt. 08:22:51 huh, why? 08:22:54 What feature is 't'? Trees? 08:22:58 Trees, yeah. 08:23:05 I've used that sort of subst a lot of times, though. 08:23:40 Yeah, actually the isolated area check should not apply in vaults 08:23:59 But the VETO is what's causing the slowdown 08:24:11 Makes sense. 08:24:18 Hm, it's actuallly possible that stairs aren't being placed :P 08:24:25 I have to check 08:24:31 niiice 08:24:43 syllogism-: Start a cmd.exe, go to crawl source dir, then run \msysgit\msys.bat and make debug 08:25:15 I should dump the map when a veto happens 08:25:18 oh 08:25:28 not crashing now 08:26:22 greensnark: Good idea. 08:26:48 I love maap carving. 08:30:55 due: Looks like it doesn't like the floor on the right edge of the map 08:30:56 http://sprunge.us/VDGM 08:31:01 Any comments on the shape? 08:31:04 Oh, really? 08:31:12 If I don't do that, I getnoedge to the map. 08:31:38 Looks fine to me 08:31:42 As in, I just get floor, then emppty space. 08:31:56 The debug map dump showed me floor on GXM-1 08:32:06 Which was causing the validator to go crazy 08:32:19 Hm, there'sa weird problem here 08:32:26 That is floor right on the edge of the map without a 1-square border 08:32:28 Because thismaphasgot walls at 79, 3 08:32:46 Am I doing something wrong? http://sprunge.us/hEMX 08:32:54 Or is it deliberately placing it right on the edge with no border? 08:33:18 You have to supply the 1-thick border for NSEW orients 08:33:24 Ahhh. 08:33:31 Whichiswhat I did, strange. 08:33:34 Your vault gets attached right to the edge of the level 08:34:02 I'd suggest adding 1-thick wall on the SE edges 08:35:12 That's better :0 08:37:59 against antaeus demonic guardian 3 spawns new 1s as fast as Antaeus can kill them 08:38:33 0.7 DS :( 08:38:59 They seem to be in rather sorry shape 08:39:17 though now I stopped getting new ones for some reason 08:39:31 MAX_MONSTERS reached on level? :P 08:39:39 no, I never had more than 2 :P 08:39:57 Antaeus must have called head office 08:40:37 greensnark: Not allowed negative comments on DS! 08:44:21 Not being politically correct here? 08:44:27 Too bad, some things have to be said 08:45:07 I don't think DS changes can make it into 0.7 at this rate 08:45:12 bugger 08:45:25 http://sprunge.us/VSCM 08:45:28 It crashes when building that. 08:46:04 In a fixed vector assert, wtf? 08:46:09 One second, I'm rewiring dungeon.cc to tell me exactly what portion of map it is crying about 08:46:22 due: The validation routines are walking off the map because there's floor at the edge 08:46:27 Hm. 08:46:46 Can we not count lava as floor? I want it to just end with lava, as though the map sort of trails offinto hell. 08:47:00 Like Swamp and trees, and Shoals with open sea. 08:48:34 Hmm, I found the thing that's causing the VETO madness 08:48:43 Excellent! <3. 08:49:41 greensnark: It works fine &Ptrove>treasure_island 08:49:50 Which is endless water. 08:50:17 due: The Lair ruin code is interacting with the edges of the vault 08:50:22 Ahhhhh. 08:50:40 I'm referring to the veto spam here, I'll check the out-of-bounds shortly 08:55:52 Ahaha, this is a very old bug 08:55:59 Dating back to practically 0.1 08:56:14 Primary vaults should not be marked MMT_OPAQUE 08:59:40 Why did the Hell portal in Lair take me back out to D:20? 09:03:28 Sounds like a bug 09:03:36 Agree. 09:03:46 Hell portals are supposed to remember the level they were entered in 09:03:49 Yeah. 09:03:52 That's what I thought. 09:03:53 Presumably they're saving only the depth, not the branch 09:04:04 Ah. 09:04:14 Yeah. 09:04:47 This disconnected zone check is problematic for Lair + vaults 09:04:58 * greensnark ponders. 09:05:05 there are hell portals outside of dungeons?? 09:05:06 if (player_in_branch( BRANCH_VESTIBULE_OF_HELL )) 09:05:06 { 09:05:06 you.where_are_you = BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON; 09:05:06 you.absdepth0 = you.hell_exit; 09:05:06