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00:38:29 <sorear> kilobyte_entry_exit_the_forest violates the "no single exit entry vaults" rule
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01:51:33 <ortoslon> please update windows builds
02:47:44 <sorear> map layout is too slow
02:48:28 <sorear> it takes a noticable amount of time on a level, which happened to have a large vault with many, many monsters
02:48:32 <sorear> I call information leak
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05:05:12 <Keskitalo> sorear: Is there a "no single exit entry vaults" rule? There are many other entry vaults like that (such as the temple mockups). They seem to have no_monster_gen though. I did point out the forest map can have you trapped with monsters, so Kilobyte added a pillar for dancing. :)
05:05:21 <Keskitalo> Not sure if that's sufficient. :)
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06:17:23 <ortoslon> Keskitalo: please update windows builds
06:20:13 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rbfb8ec168bbb 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc: [1693] Fix crash in _mon_check_foe_invalid.
06:20:34 <due> why does no-body ever ask me?
06:20:41 <Keskitalo> No time right now.
06:20:48 <due> Keskitalo: I'm on it :)
06:20:55 <Keskitalo> due: Could you update the windows builds? there, asked :)
06:20:58 <Keskitalo> due: Thanks!
06:21:00 <greensnark> due: please update windows builds
06:21:17 <due> !tell greensnark You suck.
06:21:18 <Henzell> due: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
06:21:40 <greensnark> I'm waiting for the ignore-previous-message !tell before I go checking my messages
06:21:40 <Henzell> greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
06:21:41 <due> Machinarium was really awesome.
06:21:57 <greensnark> due: Hey, you play Machinarium too!
06:21:57 <due> !tell greensnark Ignore this message/
06:21:58 <Henzell> due: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
06:22:06 <due> !tell greensnark And the two messages before this, you can ignoer themt oo.
06:22:06 <Henzell> due: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
06:22:16 <due> greensnark: I'm addicted to the soundtrack, it's really amazing.
06:22:36 <due> (I bought the collector's edition with original FLAC soundtracks. Rocking.)
06:22:42 <greensnark> :)
06:23:50 <ortoslon> due: ok i'll ask you next time :) it's just a habit to poke keskitalo first, napkin second
06:24:07 <due> ortoslon: our timezones appear to correspond more than yours and Keskitalo's.
06:24:18 <due> Though our great and all-hailed Napking is usually around at this time.
06:25:17 <due> Heiled?
06:25:33 * due throws chunks  of ice around.
06:31:40 <due> non-tiles done
06:31:48 <due> Doing tiles now.
06:33:43 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r315ab77d5005 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: [17] Fix god gift monsters with a ghost_demon struct not being placed correctly.
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06:40:36 <due> Tiles done, too.
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06:47:05 <due> ortoslon: Tiles update done.
06:47:42 <ortoslon> thx
06:48:21 <ortoslon> is fulsome distillation less random now than in 0.6?
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07:11:28 <by> greensnark: <3 bug fixes
07:31:08 <greensnark> The bug tracker is a pretty target-rich environment these days :)
07:34:58 <Zao> The duration of out-of-range dimming in tiles when casting a spell with no targets in range seems quite diminished in trunk compared to 0.6. Is that intended or a side effect?
07:35:21 <Zao> I have to attempt to cast a spell multiple times to hope to catch a glimpse of the spell range.
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07:47:13 <by> it was an intentional change, but it probably broke the mis-feature
07:55:33 <xale> hello
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08:09:18 <xale> so, in theory, would you prefer for something like autoexplore to be a server or a client function?
08:10:13 <felirx> never trust client if you can prevent it :)
08:10:27 <felirx> of course in a game like crawl, the trust factor is a lot less important
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08:44:59 <by> in theory, it sounds like more of a client function
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09:22:58 <CIA-39> 03by * r5326d941c71a 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: thrown_object_destroyed: Simplify and fix rounding errors. (#1599)
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10:33:39 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r4f40ca2e474f 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: In Zin's Imprison, only do Recite if the monster stays in the tomb.
10:37:56 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * r57ee18aeec50 10/crawl-ref/source/menu.cc: Fix a warning.
10:38:08 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * rb1956428935f 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Mention body size on the 'A' display.
11:00:26 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r4022adc8ff94 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: For Doroklohe, only lose spell energy if the monster stays in the tomb.
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11:28:27 <Textmode> morning all
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11:51:18 <dpeg> !seen greensnark
11:51:18 <Henzell> I last saw greensnark at Sun Jun  6 12:31:08 2010 UTC (4h 20m 10s ago) saying The bug tracker is a pretty target-rich environment these days :) on ##crawl-dev.
11:52:48 <dpeg> !seen KiloByte
11:52:48 <Henzell> I last saw KiloByte at Sun Jun  6 14:55:08 2010 UTC (1h 57m 40s ago) saying !learn edit labyrinth[4] s/\.$/ and no stasis or -TELE./ on ##crawl.
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12:44:04 <Ashenzari> Confusing message when using : in 'x' targeting (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1694) by MrMisterMonkey
12:51:47 <dpeg> !tell KiloByte Your entries about size for the A-screen is great. Short and to the point.
12:51:47 <Henzell> dpeg: OK, I'll let KiloByte know.
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12:51:58 <dpeg> No one is around.
12:55:40 <greensnark> Hello
12:56:01 <greensnark> How are ye this fine weekend
12:56:09 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * re07a62311456 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc shopping.cc shopping.h terrain.cc): Handle traps and shops correctly when shifting the abyss.
12:58:10 <dpeg> greensnark: busy!
12:58:25 <dpeg> Been organising a marriage fete last night.
12:58:46 <dpeg> greensnark: will have to look at what you've done to the Abyss.
12:58:56 <dpeg> s/to the/for the/ :)
12:59:04 <greensnark> dpeg: I've done all manner of unspeakable things to the abyss!
12:59:20 <greensnark> dpeg: No more abyss areas repeating
12:59:21 <dpeg> greensnark: yay!
12:59:35 <dpeg> news for 15 minutes, back soon
13:08:50 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r9733dc3c05b8 10/crawl-ref/source/spells4.cc: [1484] Set item origin when apporting items; fixes missing milestones for apported demonic runes.
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13:13:11 <dpeg> back
13:14:26 <dpeg> Ravana Kali-Yuga
13:17:38 <greensnark> dpeg: Read Lord of Light yet? :P
13:18:17 <dpeg> greensnark: no, read a "Very Short Introduction to Hinduism" :)
13:18:28 <dpeg> Shmriti
13:18:37 <dpeg> and many other words I learned
13:19:16 <dpeg> It seems to me that Hinduism does an even better job at preserving social structures than Christianity. Impressive job, that.
13:19:50 <dpeg> food now, back later
13:21:05 <xale> by: around?
13:21:52 <by> xale: sort of
13:22:32 <xale> by: is it safe to assume that whenever viewwindow(false) is called then something interesting happened in player's los?
13:22:40 <xale> by: and that it needs to be updated.
13:23:12 <by> not really, no; I think a lot of viewwindow calls have been added because they happened to fix some display issue
13:23:30 <by> but in principle that should be true
13:24:03 <by> so, it's a good assumption, but not safe :)
13:24:06 <greensnark> by: Did you fix the not-able-to-exit-ziggurat bug?
13:24:16 <by> no, not that I know of
13:24:21 <greensnark> Hm, someone did
13:24:28 <xale> so if whatever is in los gets pushed every time viewwindow() is called it might be redundant.
13:24:32 * greensnark is too lazy to go back and check what the bug was.
13:24:51 <greensnark> Folks, I'm just going to close bugs that are borderline FRs
13:25:04 <greensnark> Such as https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=59
13:25:30 <greensnark> Because they rot on the tracker forever waiting for some magical ball of consensus to attach itself to the issue
13:26:47 <KiloByte> that "bug" doesn't say what's supposed to be wrong, any ways to deal with it, or anything
13:26:48 <Henzell> KiloByte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:27:06 <KiloByte> let's just close it, it's not a FR either
13:27:20 <by> xale: it might be redundant, but that kind of redundancy could be fixed by reducing the viewwindow calls
13:27:23 <greensnark> Well, I guess the message could be considered odd
13:27:31 <xale> by: okay!
13:27:44 <greensnark> But yeah, I'm shutting it down
13:28:02 <by> maybe the main redundancy would be when crawl calls viewwindow from redraw_screen after displaying some non-state-changing menu or so
13:28:29 <KiloByte> in that particular case (reflect+miss) it's 100% ok.  If it reflected and hit, returning could be slightly odd, yes.
13:28:34 <by> that should be checked by the second argument, but that hasn't been there for long
13:28:55 <KiloByte> but since normally you don't get a javelin that hits you into your inventory, it still makes sense
13:29:38 <greensnark> KiloByte: Yes
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13:42:09 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rd3c0f46bf1bc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dbg-util.cc dungeon.cc dungeon.h): [77] Remove temp vault reporting code from mapstat; it did nothing useful and it caused crashes.
13:43:51 <greensnark> Creating excludes is obnoxiously slow, at least in debug builds
13:44:00 <greensnark> Whatever are we doing there :P
13:51:30 <greensnark> Huh, setting an exclude is force-updating the interlevel travel cache
13:51:41 <xale> env.show is handy
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14:54:53 <CIA-39> 03by * r838c032ad875 10/crawl-ref/source/ (exclude.cc stairs.cc travel.cc travel.h): Keep travel cache up-to-date for current level everywhere.
14:54:54 <CIA-39> 03by * r02c3737a3444 10/crawl-ref/source/startup.cc: Don't run map epilogues when restoring.
14:54:56 <CIA-39> 03by * rec94b1530c01 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc misc.cc travel.cc travel.h): Don't call trackers_init_new_level on reload.
15:10:05 <CIA-39> 03by * r9b724164cde5 10/crawl-ref/source/stash.cc: Make stash distance sort also consult match name.
15:13:23 <by> 103 issues resolved last week, yay!
15:14:09 <greensnark> by: Do we need to update the travel cache when excludes are updated?
15:14:15 <by> last 180 days saw 8.4 issues opened per day, 5.8 closed per day
15:14:30 <by> greensnark: I'm not sure
15:15:00 <greensnark> Travel cache already updates before every interlevel travel
15:15:18 <greensnark> Let me check dungeon overview
15:15:35 <greensnark> TC update is pretty expensive
15:16:24 <by> when working on the exclusions, I just copied these updates around, don't know why they're there
15:16:58 <by> it's probably for the exclusion description, yes
15:19:13 <greensnark> TC is updated for the exclusion description?
15:20:17 <by> actually those level info updates are yours
15:20:31 <greensnark> Heh
15:20:42 <greensnark> I think I can toss them in that case
15:20:52 <by> a9a5ce74
15:21:41 <greensnark> Let me just run some sanity checks
15:21:50 <greensnark> But that's probably an unnecssary update
15:24:40 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r48db0ad94694 10/crawl-ref/source/ (travel.cc travel.h): [97] Fix interlevel travel not handling single-point excludes on stairs correctly.
15:28:38 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rd3ddbed53a83 10/crawl-ref/source/exclude.cc: Don't update travel cache when changing excludes. TC is updated anyway before interlevel travel and when changing levels.
15:29:58 <Ashenzari> Mutagenic glow dissipation causes allies to turn hostile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1695) by Tenaya
15:31:54 <greensnark> by: I'm working down the list of oldest bugs, I'm assuming you get to look at the new ones :)
15:32:05 <greensnark> Just to avoid collisions, since assigning each bug to myself is so tiresome
15:50:05 <by> ok, thanks
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15:58:25 <greensnark> _find_description should be cast into the pits of the damned
16:06:49 <by> that's pretty new isn't it?
16:08:30 <greensnark> Relatively, yes
16:12:05 <KiloByte> viewgeom.cc: In member function ‘void crawl_view_geometry::init_geometry()’:
16:12:08 <KiloByte> viewgeom.cc:58:9: warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when assuming that (X - c) > X is always false
16:12:28 <KiloByte> (it's just in an assertion)
16:13:36 <KiloByte> not a bug in the code, and we never abuse signed wraps, so adding -fwrapv would be a waste
16:14:14 <KiloByte> at least, I just ran several tests with -ftrapv and it never tripped
16:16:57 <greensnark> due: We need better flavour text for branches
16:17:14 <greensnark> Too much of our flavour text has stilted grammar that is very odd to read
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16:24:36 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * ra9f3837dcdfb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): [8] When querying monsters with ?/M, indicate partial matches in monster description footer.
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16:28:30 <dpeg> greensnark: no wonder, it is written by Germans!
16:29:25 <xale> would it be spoilerish if you see an item on the floor
16:29:42 <xale> and then later you see the very same item in another place.
16:30:07 <xale> I guess, it doesn't matter much.
16:31:34 <KiloByte> dpeg: a bug report complains about troves that don't use acquire generating mostly useless items in some cases
16:32:11 <KiloByte> should we guarantee they're at least useable (ie, not grayed out), or ignore that report?
16:40:15 <dpeg> KiloByte: yes, I saw that report. Damn busy times over here.
16:41:05 <dpeg> I am not sure on the matter: on the one hand, we don't want acquirement-like guarantee of usability. But on the other, finding (and paying for) a room full of trash isn't cool either. So there must be some good middle ground.
16:42:14 <felirx> I paid 4k for one trove, was a weapon trove with nothing fun :(
16:42:22 <Textmode> how many items are usually in a trove?
16:42:23 <ogaz> I like KiloByte's idea of guaranteeing usability
16:42:35 <syllogism> 16 maybe
16:42:50 <casmith789> troves are really random
16:42:58 <casmith789> sometimes they're junk
16:43:13 <syllogism> i've never had a trove that was "junk"
16:43:44 <Textmode> perhaps you too guarantee at least one or two of them?
16:43:46 <st_> river trove!
16:43:52 <Textmode> could*
16:43:57 <syllogism> even that trove usually has piles of gold
16:44:02 <casmith789> I've had one with no interesting items and that just gave me my money back + a bit extra
16:44:21 <xale> troves can have useless items even if these items aren't exactly junk.
16:44:24 <st_> you're right, at least you usually break even with that
16:44:28 <casmith789> no interesting usable items, that should read
16:44:36 <KiloByte> no interesting items is ok, I'm not sure about strictly useless ones
16:44:38 <dpeg> one problem we have with loot is the depth-dependency (at least for bailey, but possibly also for troves)
16:45:02 <xale> does entry fee depend on depth as well?
16:45:06 <casmith789> why are troves depth dependant?
16:45:35 <KiloByte> "useless" as in "not even wearable/wieldable", vs "uninteresting" as "worthless for you but wieldable"
16:46:21 <KiloByte> I kind of agree with the reporter than useless stuff there is bad, while we don't have to guarantee worthiness
16:46:56 <dpeg> KiloByte: but guaranteeing usability makes less sense than for acquirements
16:47:19 <dpeg> I'd go for something like this: guarantee at least some part of the loot is usable, don't make claims about the rest.
16:48:12 <KiloByte> usable as in "worthy" or as in "not useless"?
16:48:43 <dpeg> usable = can be used
16:49:00 <KiloByte> some troves use acquirement (which, besides being biased towards your character) guarantees no strictly useless items, some are not
16:50:05 <dpeg> KiloByte: yes, I know
16:50:19 <dpeg> This is some hodge podge atm.
16:51:23 <felirx> as long as there's a randart or two that can be cool
16:51:25 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rc62f8706d2b8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc dungeon.cc mon-place.cc): Verify correctness of pick_random_monster return value with invalid_monster_type.
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17:00:55 <dpeg> awesome work, folks
17:00:58 <dpeg> I am off.
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17:18:35 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r5bdd49094be5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc traps.cc traps.h travel.cc travel.h wiz-dgn.cc): [169] Fix travel not passing trap names correctly to trapwalk.lua.
18:15:44 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r1b4843ef41e5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc beam.h effects.cc): [179] Electric discharge should not affect flying things, fixed.
18:16:17 <ogaz> <xyblor>hey draconians get controlled flight even in spider form
18:16:22 <ogaz> Is that supposed to happen?
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18:19:34 <greensnark> ogaz: Probably not, file a bug?
18:58:43 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * rc6f3ffc67456 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Update the 0,7 changelog again.
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19:00:46 <due> flying spider <3
19:01:38 <due> Not every trove uses acquirement, but you should at least get one or two items that are acquiremennt level and therefore usable.
19:03:51 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r18fad0453ac0 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation-data.h: Add punctuation fixes.
19:06:10 <Ashenzari> Draconians in Spider form still have Controlled Flight (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1696) by ogaz
19:06:19 <greensnark> Yay ogaz
19:13:48 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rfd7fda3e14ef 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc mapdef.cc mapdef.h): [348] Fix overflow temples smashing existing level layouts -- they were being treated as primary vaults.
19:14:12 <casmith789> greensnark: are you writing the whole of 0.7 by yourself? cool
19:15:21 <greensnark> casmith789: What? Just fixing a few old bugs :P
19:15:44 <due> rob's been doing more bugfixing :)
19:16:08 <casmith789> didn't you write new abyss code?
19:16:08 <greensnark> Yes, it's been pretty much only rob fixing bugs, I had some free time today and thought I'd help out
19:16:13 <Ashenzari> Making (un)life harder than it needs to be... (Ghoul Berserkers) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1697) by Twilight
19:16:34 <greensnark> Take a look at developer stats: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/summary_page.php
19:16:51 <greensnark> We need more folks helping with the bugfixes when they have time
19:16:53 <casmith789> :O
19:16:57 <casmith789> you have a table!
19:17:02 <casmith789> I see what this is, a competition
19:19:33 <felirx> I fixed a bug the other day!
19:19:44 <greensnark> Yay :)
19:24:06 <due> "OMG ghouls cannot berserk you must fix this"?
19:24:06 <casmith789> you can't lose your 100% record felirx
19:24:16 <casmith789> I think you should probably close that :P
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20:16:15 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r0ed2676bbe59 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Fix interlevel travel not correctly handling excluded stairs if the player is standing on the stair.
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20:52:46 <due> greensnark: Neets moar flayva?
20:56:52 <greensnark> Miaow
20:56:53 <greensnark> Yes
20:57:01 <greensnark> For instance look up the description of Tartarus :)
20:57:11 <greensnark> Not just more flavour, but better sentence structure in general
21:05:24 <xale> it would be great to have some way to make sure that, say, invent.cc doesn't use item_defs
21:05:41 <xale> one way would be to rename item_def to something else.
21:05:51 <xale> but I don't like that.
21:12:52 <Luca__> xale: why?
21:14:12 <due> . . . why?
21:15:52 <xale> Luca__: oh hello
21:16:08 <xale> because it shouldn't see all information about the item.
21:16:27 <xale> it would be great if it simply didn't compile if it tries to grab real items.
21:16:52 <Luca__> the problem I see here is that a fully identified object is fully known
21:16:57 <xale> yes
21:17:12 <Luca__> so you still need everything in item_def to represent object knowledge
21:17:17 <xale> how is your stuff going?
21:17:22 <Luca__> hence, I think it makes sense to use the same structure
21:17:36 <Luca__> just rebased it over current master and working on env.show removal
21:17:59 <xale> is repo.or.cz down or it's just me?
21:18:06 <greensnark> env.show removal sounds exciting in a Chinese prophetic way
21:18:09 <Luca__> it's down for me too
21:18:26 <Luca__> greensnark: hmm?
21:18:37 <greensnark> Luca__: Sounds like a lot of work :)
21:18:54 <Luca__> it already seems to mostly work
21:19:17 <xale> I took at stab at sending commands over the network
21:19:23 <Luca__> wow
21:19:23 <xale> and some things back.
21:19:37 <xale> it kinda of works, but I'd like to try sending real things now.
21:19:44 <Luca__> xale: perhaps you could do something so that the compiler differentiates between internal and known item_defs
21:20:12 <Luca__> such as having an item_base class like the current item_def, and item_def and item_info being empty derived classes
21:20:31 <xale> I thought you were doing this?
21:20:35 <Luca__> then you can't mix them unless you explicitly cast
21:20:36 <xale> or was it monsters
21:20:50 <Luca__> I wrote a function that creates a new item_def with only known info
21:20:53 <due> greensnark: I was thinking more like Nostradamus :)
21:21:12 <Luca__> how does the command sending work?
21:21:27 <xale> it just sends commands, like CMD_MOVE_LEFT
21:21:42 <xale> and _get_next_command() returns that
21:21:57 <xale> and then sends los and messages back
21:23:00 <xale> and by "sends los", I mean it just iterates over los and makes an array with all kinds of punctuation
21:23:42 <Luca__> but it sends los as text? so still not very useful for a tiles viewer
21:23:51 <xale> yeah it's not useful at all
21:24:07 <Luca__> my idea would be to:
21:24:11 <Luca__> 1. remove env.show
21:24:28 <Luca__> 2. expand map_cell to store all known info
21:24:41 <Luca__> 3. remove env.tile*{fg,bg} and compute them from map_cell
21:24:48 <Luca__> 4. send map_cell on the wire
21:25:42 <xale> that sounds fine
21:25:46 <xale> did you do any of this?
21:26:00 <Luca__> mostly (1)
21:26:02 <xale> I was getting kind of worried you won't show up and I'll end up redoing something that is already done.
21:26:55 <Ashenzari> DS mutations not functioning correctly (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1698) by Person Dyslexic
21:27:06 <Luca__> although it's hard not to break corner cases
21:29:04 <xale> I like the idea with the empty derived classes.
21:31:12 <Luca__> or perhaps item_def and empty derived class of item_info, not sure
21:31:15 <Luca__> an*
21:32:53 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rf5dff9f05b65 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Fix slime wall checks slowing down travel, particularly interlevel travel-cache update.
21:34:21 <xale> now if only repo.or worked..
21:36:25 <Luca__> has it been down for a long time?
21:37:06 <xale> I don't remember, perhaps something like 5 hours.
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21:58:15 <xale> Luca__: did you do anything about monsters?
21:58:39 <Luca__> I added monster_info and made most view code use it
22:01:51 <xale> perhaps if you used something like github it would be easier to work on this.
22:03:04 <xale> I could try sending around these new structures.
22:07:55 <Luca__> does your code already work as a console client and server?
22:09:15 <xale> no, I need to start sending real los information instead of dots and hashes.
22:09:19 <xale> same for items and monsters.
22:10:24 <Luca__> nettiles could provide the base of a client
22:11:27 <Luca__> basically, instead of the current console-parsing module, it would use a "crawl protocol" parser instead
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22:29:07 <Luca__> xale: see http://github.com/luca-barbieri/crawl-lb
22:29:21 <Luca__> note that it's very lightly tested
22:31:03 <xale> great!
23:01:13 <xale> it looks pretty good to me.
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