01:16:31 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r28f2a4d12e6a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc abyss.h): Set abyss center to the actual center of the level, peg the abyss shift radius to the LOS radius.
01:16:32 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r140b16b49eb0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc mon-behv.cc mon-util.cc): Fix neutral monsters not targeting hostiles correctly and vice versa.
01:17:02 <greensnark> Monster attitudes are a complicated mess
01:17:06 <greensnark> We should switch to factions
01:17:25 <greensnark> We have three neutral attitudes, all subtly different
01:17:37 <greensnark> And the code definitely does not do the right thing for all of them in all cases
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01:22:20 <sorear> Factions <3
01:22:38 <sorear> Hmm, that would be a great 7DRL
01:23:15 <sorear> "You are caught in the middle of a civil war with three sides and no uniforms.  Stay alive."
01:24:15 <greensnark> n-way battles in the arena!
01:27:44 <Niccus> free-for-alls
01:27:55 <Niccus> 99-giant spore free-for-all
01:28:31 <Madtrixr> Boss Rush Exhibition?
01:28:37 <whog> i'm going to have to look at the code about this attitude business, so i can have an idea of what to do/avoid in my own roguelike. i've been trying to figure that out
01:28:41 <Madtrixr> (Uniques duking it out)
01:28:42 <whog> but i take it crawl is not a good example to follow
01:29:12 <greensnark> Crawl
01:29:25 <greensnark> Crawl's attitude system was fine when there were only the player, allies, and hostiles
01:29:45 <greensnark> Neutral monsters really mess things up
01:30:01 <whog> hmm
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01:30:08 <greensnark> You really need to be able to say: given faction A and faction B, are they friendly, neutral, or hostile to each other
01:30:29 <greensnark> Where faction A could be the player, faction B could be Crawl's "good neutrals"
01:31:45 <whog> if you did that, it'd be cool to have certain types of monsters be hostile to each other, so you'd see random monsters fighting each other sometimes, though of course that would screw up the entire game
01:32:08 <greensnark> That's already possible in CRawl
01:32:14 <greensnark> Obviously friendlies fight other monsters :P
01:32:28 <whog> well, yeah, but on a more granular level than just "friendlies"
01:32:32 <greensnark> And "neutrals" will fight hostiles and friendlies and the player
01:32:44 <whog> i guess i probably just haven't played enough to see it
01:32:54 <greensnark> Yeah, the current attitude system just assumes two factions: the player, and everyone else
01:33:00 <whog> yeah
01:33:43 <whog> i was thinking, like, you might see orcs randomly hunting animals or things like that
02:25:39 <xale> sigmund killing players' ghosts
02:33:41 <Napkin> nice log file, greensnark :D
02:38:17 <Napkin> mirrored.
02:39:53 <greensnark> Napkin: jarpiain's log :)
02:40:18 <Napkin> cool :)
02:48:56 <due> helloooooooo
02:49:00 <due> snark whichis green!
02:49:08 <due> Who is hiding without a voice.
02:49:19 <Napkin> moin due :)
02:49:46 <due> napking! all hail!
02:50:38 <Napkin> !coffee due
02:50:38 * Henzell hands due a pot of irish coffee, brewed by Sigmund.
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03:05:25 <due> I see snarkiness has been comitting.
03:05:58 <greensnark> Yerss!
03:06:12 <greensnark> Abyss vaults! Because you know you want to
03:06:39 <greensnark> Looks like the largest abyss vault that can be accommodated without ridiculous gymnastics is 33x23
03:06:46 <due> Oooh, you did abyss vaults?
03:06:51 <greensnark> due: Not yet
03:06:51 <due> I loooove you.
03:06:56 <due> Oooh, you are doing it?
03:06:56 <greensnark> But soon
03:06:59 <due> I loooooove you.
03:07:10 <Napkin> hehe
03:07:20 <greensnark> I had to spend time understanding the abyss shift code
03:07:27 <greensnark> due: Only 33x23 vaults :P
03:07:31 <greensnark> Or smaller, of course
03:07:38 <greensnark> Midget vaults for the abyss
03:08:06 <greensnark> Anything larger and abyss shifting will break up the vault
03:08:43 <due> That's fine.
03:19:39 <due> How is sizing enforced?
03:20:26 <greensnark> I'll add a map-compile-time size check
03:21:15 <greensnark> It doesn't strictly have to be enforced if the map doesn't become brokenly easy when it has a random outer rectangle sawed off
03:21:29 <greensnark> But it'll probably look odd anyway, so
03:27:02 <due> Yeah
03:36:17 <Ashenzari> Unrandart 'Sniper' crossbow (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1688) by Sealer
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07:08:21 <Ashenzari> Start new game, choose random character (!), game quits with following message... (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1689) by Fangorn
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08:23:46 <Ashenzari> Submerged sleeing zombie beetle unhittable (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1690) by qui
08:35:12 <greensnark> SA talking about how overpowered summoners are now
08:35:22 <xale> weird
08:35:28 <greensnark> They're right too
08:35:36 <greensnark> Which is not something I can always say about SA
08:35:48 <greensnark> Summoners have been OP ever since summons could fight freely outside player LOS
08:36:01 <greensnark> And the recent boosts to summoning spells have just made them ridiculous :P
08:36:05 <xale> that discussion probably involves haunt?
08:36:14 <greensnark> Of course
08:36:19 <greensnark> But Haunt is far from the only problematic spell
08:36:40 <greensnark> It's just the head and shoulders above the crowd worst OP spell :)
08:37:00 <greensnark> Where's by these days
08:37:21 * greensnark wants to discuss ways and means for monster foe acquisition
08:37:36 <xale> i had the impression that it's generally hard to play pure summoners
08:37:49 <xale> mostly because it's tedious to control the minions
08:37:56 <greensnark> xale: Not really
08:38:09 <greensnark> Players who try to use *only* summons throughout are asking for pain
08:38:25 <xale> haunt is special because you can spam it from afar and walk away
08:38:26 <greensnark> Particularly in the early game summons work best when you fight beside them
08:38:59 <greensnark> Summons being able to fight at full strength outside player LOS is deeply broken
08:39:25 <greensnark> Brent would have a fit if he knew we allow this :)
08:39:56 <greensnark> Pre b26 4.0 Crawls allowed free fighting briefly but it was removed because it made player allies too strong
08:40:06 <greensnark> Killing stuff becomes risk free
08:40:54 <greensnark> Circa 0.5 things were slightly worse because summons would fight hostiles effectively outside LOS, but hostiles wouldn't fight back most of the time
08:41:09 <greensnark> That's fixed now, but the new summoning spells have smashed balance again
08:43:29 <pineapple> so you think that maybe spammals being nerfed was addressing the wrong thing?
08:43:47 <greensnark> The spammals nerf was quite necessary
08:44:08 <greensnark> It obviously doesn't solve all problems, though
08:44:14 <pineapple> @?orange rat
08:44:15 <Gretell> orange rat (04r) | Speed: 12 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Damage: 2013(drain) | Flags: evil | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 33.
08:44:41 <pineapple> @?green rat
08:44:41 <Gretell> green rat (09r) | Speed: 10 | HD: 2 | Health: 6-16 | AC/EV: 5/11 | Damage: 10 | Res: 06magic(8) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 13.
08:45:15 <greensnark> I love how orange rats roar
08:45:24 <greensnark> A roaring rat is just so funny on so many levels
08:48:45 <xale> maybe i should try playing summoners more
08:48:52 <xale> "overpowered" is totally not what i expected.
08:52:12 <xale> minions that are hard to control, wasting a turn on targeting and only getting half of the experience for kills is what i remember.
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08:53:40 <xale> also stuff like spending a lot of time to make several abominations then losing them all because they took a wrong route or something.
09:02:02 <Napkin> jesus.. 36 damage from an elven arrow? *sigh*
09:03:27 <Napkin> i'm getting bored by dying so easily all the time, no matter what I play in 0.6
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09:04:01 <Napkin> armour or dodging doesn't really matter.. so fragile chars
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09:10:59 <Amonchakad> I found a randart ring which is not fully identified, yet I can see "evoke blink" in my abilities
09:11:10 <Amonchakad> That's a bug, right?
09:11:27 <Amonchakad> (obviously there's no visible +blink on the ring)
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09:18:52 <badp> Hello, I've got a buggy ghost message on CDO
09:18:59 <badp> /var/games/crawl06/saves/bones.06a
09:29:36 <Napkin> that's CAO, badp
09:29:43 <badp> sorry, CAO.
09:29:49 <Napkin> CDO has different path for the games
09:29:59 <Napkin> you might catch rax to help you
09:30:09 <badp> not a problem, after all I'm already dead
09:31:29 <rax> Hmm?
09:31:29 <Henzell> rax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:31:33 <rax> !messages
09:31:33 <Henzell> (1/1) Niccus said (7h 26m 28s ago): Hey! I'd like a reset on "Niccus" on CAO, thanks!
09:32:18 <badp> I'm not sure if it has been reported already but /var/games/crawl06/saves/bones.06a is a "buggy player ghost"
09:32:23 <badp> on CAO
09:32:59 <rax> Oh yeah we've had a few of those and posted a bug report about them.
09:32:59 <Henzell> rax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:33:06 <badp> cool :)
09:33:08 <rax> I think we're all set at this point, unless any devs want more?
09:33:11 <rax> But thank you :)
09:33:12 <rax> !messages
09:33:12 <Henzell> (1/1) Sealer said (31s ago): It's !tell
09:33:28 <badp> well, rax, at this point you could delete it from the ghosts folder
09:33:40 <rax> Oh good call :P
09:34:23 <rax> Done!
09:37:39 <badp> \o/
09:38:50 <Napkin> Hey Rax :)
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09:43:38 <by> hi
09:43:48 <greensnark> by!
09:44:01 <by> greensnark: see you've been active, yay!
09:44:12 <greensnark> Free time <3
09:52:26 <by> !lm * type=crash
09:52:27 <Henzell> 8. [2010-06-04] Helsbecter the Thaumaturge (L8 MuWz) ASSERT(!crawl state.doing prev cmd again || (crawl state.is repeating cmd() && crawl state.repeat cmd == CMD PREV CMD AGAIN)) in 'main.cc' at line 3887 failed on turn 10869. (D:7)
09:55:08 <greensnark> Key repeat crash is popular
09:55:32 <greensnark> It's like people poking a painful place to see if it still hurts :)
09:55:51 <greensnark> !lm * type=crash s=v
09:55:51 <Henzell> 8 milestones for * (type=crash): 8x 0.7.0-a0
09:56:01 <by> you'd think cryptic would be able to say what command was being repeated in the corresponding bug report
09:56:03 <greensnark> Handy feature
09:56:31 <by> in particular, it should allow telling whether some old crash has been fixed accidentally, if a crash doesn't occur anymore
09:56:59 <greensnark> Should also be pretty handy to watch the crashy ttyrec
09:57:03 <by> yes
09:57:09 <badp> I'm doing that
09:57:10 <greensnark> Nice idea :)
09:57:13 <badp> it's already on termcast
09:57:18 <badp> been going on for a while too :/
09:57:34 <greensnark> badp: You're Helsbecter?
09:57:37 <badp> nope
10:00:46 <badp> this is taking a while
10:01:58 <by> I know the name Helsbecter from this SA post syllogism linked: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3285755&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=62#post377557574
10:05:44 <CIA-39> 03by * rbcbc448fe003 10/crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc: Set ng->name, ng->type again after character selection. (#1689)
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10:37:22 <CIA-39> 03by * rc5953cbf3bc5 10/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt: Sniper is now a crossbow. (#1688)
10:37:24 <CIA-39> 03by * rcf584101485a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Jellies are never interesting for Jiyva worshippers. (#1686)
10:40:41 <by> !lmm qui char=hawn place=coc:7
10:40:44 <by> !lm qui char=hawn place=coc:7
10:40:44 <Henzell> 2. [2010-06-05] Qui the Eviscerator (L27 HaWn) found an icy rune of Zot on turn 161520. (Coc:7)
10:40:58 <by> !lm qui char=hawn place=coc:7 1 -tv:<0:>$
10:41:02 <Henzell> 1. Qui, XL27 HaWn, T:160580 (milestone) requested for FooTV.
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10:49:37 <badp> money!
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10:57:39 <by> so qui's sleeping beetle zombie decided to sleep-step into deep water due to mass confusion
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11:09:39 <badp> btw, how do menu selection work in Crawl trunk?
11:09:44 <badp> *does
11:09:50 <felirx> which menu?
11:09:59 <badp> d for example
11:10:14 <felirx> menu.cc:InventoryMenu or so
11:10:21 <badp> I mean, key wise
11:10:36 <felirx> actually not :D
11:11:22 <badp> I mean, when I select the first item
11:11:27 <badp> the second gets brackets around it
11:11:45 <felirx> Haven't tried that yet but it should be ,.
11:11:46 <badp> oh
11:11:51 * badp notices the "_ for help" message
11:11:53 * badp reads
11:12:45 <badp> except it doesn't work as advertised :9
11:12:49 <badp> *:)
11:13:18 <felirx> <3, I noticed a possible bug in activate_first_item and activate_last_item()
11:13:46 <badp> Down   moves the cursor to the next item without change
11:13:48 <badp> Right  selects the cursored item and moves the cursor down
11:13:50 <badp> Up     moves the cursor up, without changing selection
11:13:52 <badp> Left   selects the cursored item and moves the cursor up
11:13:54 <badp> Right and left do nothing, Up and Down scroll the list :/
11:14:09 <by> but do ,. work?
11:14:21 <badp> . selects the cursored items
11:14:22 <by> maybe dpeg's suggestions were just implemented on the help screen
11:14:25 <badp> , does nothing
11:14:40 <by> there's one key that just moves the cursor down
11:14:53 <badp> toggling the cursored item also changes the selection to the next item
11:15:06 <by> (like Left is Down is supposed to, while . is Right)
11:15:15 <by> s/Left is //
11:16:12 <badp> heh
11:16:21 <badp> Drop what?  (Press _ for help.) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
11:16:25 * badp presses _
11:16:30 <badp> Huh?
11:16:32 <badp> Drop what?  (Press _ for help.) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
11:16:44 <badp> _ is only valid inside the menu
11:18:21 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * re4a44aac3445 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Add minor cosmetic fixes.
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11:22:10 <badp> ping
11:24:34 <CIA-39> 03by * r5811a12aff3f 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Check monsters::submerged instead of ENCH_SUBMERGED for visibility.
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11:40:57 <xale> by: /tmp/0001-allow-iood-to-act-before-placing-the-player-on-a-lev.patch
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11:41:25 <by> yay
11:43:32 <by> _catchup_monster_moves takes place after the player is placed?
11:43:38 <xale> yep
11:44:38 <xale> you can look at the logs around 08:09 yesterday, i wrote something up
11:50:43 <by> I feel tempted to move it earlier than placing the player
11:51:59 <xale> it already is
11:52:18 <by> not your code, but catchup_monster_moves
11:52:57 <xale> that makes sense
11:53:25 <by> but it references you.pos()
11:53:25 <xale> i'm not sure why it is needed at all to be honest
11:53:52 <by> so it doesn't appear as if the monsters froze when you left the level
11:54:14 <xale> shouldn't just looping over handle_monster_move take care of that?
11:54:32 <xale> probably will need to clear their target after some time as catchup() does
11:55:00 <xale> but otherwise, why make a separate function for this kind of movement?
11:56:22 <by> I would think mostly for efficiency (there shouldn't be a pause when returning to a level), maybe also because handle_monster_move expects the player to be on level in a variety of places
11:56:44 <xale> I thought so.
11:57:48 <by> other problems would be for example leaving summons on a level and having them fight while you're not there
11:58:59 <xale> by the way with this patch the orb can kill something while you're away.
11:59:27 <xale> but I thought it's not very important, since it's fast anyway and moving the stairs is slow.
11:59:33 <felirx> by: should _find_save return the save position in the vector, or the save ID used by menu?
11:59:42 <felirx> changing the set_active_item to use ID now
12:00:07 <by> felirx: whatever works better
12:00:29 <felirx> it's basicly just sticking a NUM_GAMES_TYPES to the vector ID value at some point
12:00:36 <felirx> either on the function call or after it
12:00:54 <felirx> vector position value even
12:02:34 <by> I think it would be cleaner for _find_save to not know about NUM_GAME_TYPES
12:03:21 <by> that monster backing of code may well be the reason that monsters find you when you take a different stair
12:03:41 <by> the test would be to see whether this just affects ranged monsters
12:07:00 <xale> _catchup_monster_moves will clear the monster's target after some time
12:07:18 <xale> or is it supposed to be immediately cleared when you reenter through a different staircase?
12:07:25 <by> for ranged monsters, it sets the target to your new position, in order to make them back off
12:07:39 <by> then when they stop fleeing, they're likely to hunt you down
12:07:52 <by> so instead, they should act based on your old position
12:12:32 <xale> if you move the call to catchup() up then the orb handling can be placed into it too
12:12:43 <xale> so that it moves together with monsters, not before them
12:12:50 <by> yes, I'll do that
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12:35:04 <felirx> on a completely unrelated subject, see this : http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jannelah/crawl/cool_starting_los.png
12:38:24 <felirx> err, I mananged to glitch arena
12:38:35 <felirx> Cerebov vs ANtaeus, lightning bolt is running on a loop
12:39:28 <by> can you get a trace in gdb?
12:39:36 <felirx> it was an old binary build
12:39:40 <felirx> testing on trunk in a second
12:40:03 <by> if a lightning bolt is perma-bouncing, crawl -test should catch it, too
12:40:13 <xale> by the way, it would be great if arena had a --more-- prompt.
12:40:58 <xale> or a changeable delay
12:42:00 <felirx> does not seem to happen in trunk
12:42:33 <felirx> crawl_tiles-0.7.0-a0-1970 happens almost every time
12:43:04 <by> oh, there was a bug with bolt range calculations and reflection not too long ago
12:43:10 <by> with the circular range changes
12:43:53 <felirx> Mantis id 1635, how do you interpret the step 3?
12:44:17 <felirx> I tried replicating that but it still reads the previous bg/species/weapon etc choices just fine
12:45:12 <felirx> step 4 is fixed now
12:45:54 <by> felirx: as I commented, I think 3 is fine
12:46:26 <felirx> ah yeah
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12:49:07 <Amonchakad> Uh...hordes of monsters have suddenly started spawning in Vaults:2
12:51:16 <Amonchakad> Apparently, they were summoned by boggarts
12:51:32 <Amonchakad> only that, instead of critters, they summoned stuff ranging from slime creatures to orc knights to hydras
12:52:03 <xale> boggarts do that.
12:52:42 <Amonchakad> Uh...boggarts summon stuff like bats and rats in 0.6?
12:53:27 <by> @?? boggarts
12:53:27 <Gretell> unknown monster: "boggarts"
12:53:28 <by> @?? boggart
12:53:28 <Gretell> boggart (06g) | Speed: 12 | HD: 2 | Health: 6-16 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(18) | XP: 21 | Sp: confuse, slow, invisibility, blink, shadow creatures.
12:53:38 <by> maybe shadow creatures is scaled with HD now?
12:53:54 <by> (of course that would be a bug)
12:54:12 <by> I don't remember changes in that area however
12:54:22 <by> also, could it be a vampire?
12:54:27 <greensnark> Presumably Amonchakad met boggarts in a less interesting place before
12:54:49 <greensnark> Or it could be a vampire, yes
12:54:53 <jarpiain> greensnark: did you try the IVAN tty thing? :)
12:55:07 <greensnark> jarpiain: Not yet :/
12:56:02 <greensnark> jarpiain: Nice work on the tty port though
12:56:16 <greensnark> Is IVAN still being developed in terms of gameplay?
12:56:29 <greensnark> I remember development was stalled
12:56:50 <CIA-39> 03felirx * ra9a9a57ef2d1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (menu.cc menu.h newgame.cc startup.cc): Change MenuObject::set_active_item() to use ID instead of index
12:56:53 <CIA-39> 03felirx * r29a3c6724d9c 10/crawl-ref/source/menu.cc: Fix a potential bug with MenuObject::activate_first/last_item
12:57:50 <jarpiain> yeah, very little activity on the attnam.com forum
12:59:35 <greensnark> We should get Napkin to add IVAN to cdo
12:59:45 <Napkin> ivan rules!
12:59:55 <Napkin> i'd love to :)
13:00:47 <greensnark> jarpiain: All you have to do is fix the savefile reload issue you mention :)
13:02:05 <jarpiain> at least it loads level files now (so you can re-enter levels during a session)
13:02:14 <greensnark> jarpiain: You don't happen to have a git repo somewhere?
13:02:29 <greensnark> I see the tarball, but a repo would be nice
13:02:34 <jarpiain> not online, sorry
13:02:40 <jarpiain> I'll try to get it up next week
13:02:56 <greensnark> Awesome
13:06:34 <greensnark> Ivan has pretty darn good writing
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13:50:40 <Ashenzari> Monster AI does not reflect slime walls (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1691) by casmith789
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13:58:38 <Textmode> morning all
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14:01:59 <CIA-39> 03by * r3637a2e62fe5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (env.h files.cc tag-version.h tags.cc): Save old player position (env.old_player_pos).
14:02:00 <CIA-39> 03by * r490815be4bef 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Make _catchup_monster_moves use env.old_player_pos instead of you.pos().
14:02:01 <CIA-39> 03by * r9d7622454e4b 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Don't set you.entering_level for LOAD_VISITOR.
14:02:03 <CIA-39> 03by * r7ad4307290a0 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Define make_changes more clearly.
14:02:04 <CIA-39> 03by * r36ee6925cf75 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Don't handle lost items on start.
14:02:08 <CIA-39> 03by * rb8026e3ecc97 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Move monster-under-player fix right after position update.
14:02:08 <CIA-39> 03by * r866f78eb53b9 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Reset player position after level is saved.
14:02:10 <CIA-39> 03by * rbba571c2202a 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Update level before placing player.
14:02:11 <CIA-39> 03by * rba266bf852f5 10/crawl-ref/source/actor-los.cc: Actors outside the map can't see anything.
14:02:12 <CIA-39> 03by * r04965104a89e 10/crawl-ref/source/files.cc: load(): Invalidate LOS right after loading the level.
14:02:13 <CIA-39> 03by * rcfc5e62daf52 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Don't check LOS for quiet monster teleports.
14:02:16 <CIA-39> 03by * rb04b34393950 10/crawl-ref/source/ (effects.cc mon-project.cc mon-project.h): Update IOOD specially in _catchup_monster_moves.
14:02:34 <greensnark> by: Wow :)
14:02:55 <by> I split things up for the IRC impact
14:03:07 <greensnark> I have a little rebasing to do now :P
14:03:54 <by> oh, also in files.cc?
14:04:02 <greensnark> tag-version.h :P
14:04:30 <by> that shouldn't be so bad
14:05:00 <by> xale: I decided to reimplement a partial iood_act that doesn't do much instead of calling the existing one
14:05:46 <xale> yeah, I see
14:07:13 <by> I'm not sure that's completely right, but handling death and destruction at that point seems a little dangerous
14:08:06 <xale> if you don't want summons to fight when player is on another level
14:08:27 <xale> then it makes sense to apply the same restriction to iood.
14:10:11 <by> "just" 251 bugs open
14:10:35 <greensnark> WOw
14:11:08 <syllogism> too bad people don't really severity tag their bugs properly
14:12:40 <syllogism> "FR: Graphics	major  	font hinting"
14:12:53 <felirx> it was raised to major
14:13:01 <felirx> to get a chance to be looked at before .7
14:13:11 <syllogism> [major] Zin permits shapeshifting
14:15:57 <by> there's a couple of "severity crash" bugs that it's hard to do anything about
14:16:12 <by> one of those because I don't want to install 7zip...
14:18:35 <greensnark> by: Why no 7z?
14:18:44 <greensnark> Should be available in all distro repos
14:18:55 <greensnark> Usually called p7zip iirc
14:19:07 <greensnark> It's also available in Macports
14:19:33 <by> I'm sure someone who has it installed will look at that bug
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14:55:39 <xale> viewwindow() is fun
14:56:13 <xale> "draw a window, but also run the stealth checks sometimes"
14:57:10 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * r61e967d0919d 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Simplify/optimize a bit.
14:57:11 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * rdaa50b66501c 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Unify duplicated logic for armour sizes.
14:57:12 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * rbff511336906 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop-enum.h: Axe an unused enum type.
14:57:13 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * rc13aec16bd96 10/crawl-ref/source/menu.cc: Fix compilation on gcc.
14:57:20 <KiloByte> felirx: how come menu.cc compiled for you?  It fails for me both on gcc-4.4 and -4.5
14:59:20 <KiloByte> that code had an ambiguous cast, NULL = (void*)0 can be turned both into an int and MenuItem*, and gcc considers this ambiguity a fatal error in that case
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15:26:11 <Ashenzari> Troves can give unusable items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1692) by OG17
15:32:57 <felirx> mmm
15:33:00 <felirx> compiled on mingw
15:35:18 <felirx> it's 4.4.0
15:37:11 <felirx> I should probably introduce a clear_active_item or similar though
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15:52:51 <Napkin> I find this feature of the inventory to mark the item you would mark next with "." to be very confusing
16:16:46 <Napkin> makes me double check much more often that I selected the right icon
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17:32:00 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r38cd069b01c4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (27 files in 2 dirs): Add support for vaults in the Abyss, save vault metadata in the level save.
17:32:05 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r381a2cedc405 10/crawl-ref/source/mapdef.cc: Extra checks when loading abyss vaults.
17:32:10 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r199006749bd1 10/crawl-ref/source/defines.h: Remove unnecessary abyss defines.
17:32:10 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r1d0d3f72c17f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Update abyss shift to use masks, allowing the shift to move non-rectangular areas. Abyss shifts will now try to preserve vaults.
17:32:12 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * re66694b34a04 10/crawl-ref/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Document abyss vault wrinkles, add dummies for the example abyss vaults.
17:35:03 <Mu_> oh my
17:42:16 <greensnark> Only catch is that abyss vaults have to be 28x23 or smaller :P
17:42:19 <due> YAY
17:42:22 <due> wow I timed that well
17:42:25 <due> 28*32?
17:42:27 <greensnark> Morning due
17:42:28 <due> I thought it was 32*32?
17:42:37 <greensnark> 28x23 it is :)
17:42:40 <due> Okay :)
17:47:50 <sorear> I thought it was 33x23
17:48:07 <greensnark> My mistake
17:48:21 <greensnark> It's 28x23
17:48:46 <greensnark> The vault has to fit on the side of the abyss level excluding the 21x21 shift zone at the center
17:49:09 <greensnark> Also excluding the 2-wide border around the level
17:49:50 <due> Ahh
17:50:10 <due> We'll live :)
17:50:44 <greensnark> The shift zone can safely be shrunk a bit, but I think the existing value is good
17:51:01 <greensnark> It gives you los-radius + 2 squares around you when the abyss shifts
18:28:01 <Mu_> that's still a lot of space for a vault
18:30:53 <due> enough space :D
18:32:05 <casmith789> abyss vaults? cool
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19:37:29 <Ashenzari> Crash in _mon_check_foe_invalid() involving giant spores (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1693) by dolorous
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21:01:21 <xale> is there any way to force a window update?
21:01:39 <xale> and by update I mean redraw.
21:05:36 <Niccus> semicolon comes close
21:08:04 <due> xale: the crawl window?
21:08:42 <due> check out viewwindow
21:33:59 <xale> it doesn't help.
21:43:48 <xale> apparently I wanted tiles.redraw()
21:44:21 <felirx> set_need_redraw can also work if you don't need an explicit rerender right now
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