00:03:34 ... 00:03:36 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:03 Keskitalo: new build please! 00:04:35 Ability to turn off god gifts (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1649) by ledtim 00:04:50 the ... was for that 00:06:43 you can turn off demonic guardian? 00:17:55 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:25:22 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:28 -!- Textmode is now known as THEREALDOG 00:43:13 -!- THEREALDOG is now known as deleteddog 00:49:15 -!- deleteddog is now known as Textmode 01:05:22 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 01:35:04 Feature listing is missing from X screen (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1650) by Kyrris 01:58:39 03by * rfcd48888311d 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/tool/tile_list_processor.h: Fix tiles mingw compile. 02:24:47 why are there so many indicators of 'no/invalid monster'? 02:26:51 because the code is a steaming mess of bugs 02:27:42 sorear: That sounds like an insult to steaming messes of bugs everywhere! 02:27:58 Textmode: it used to be, but it's not anymore 02:31:10 they have somewhat different meanings 02:31:35 but there is a lot of redundancy in the code as well. 02:32:20 hullo 02:42:06 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:28 crash going upstairs (reading lua marker) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1651) by rob 02:53:28 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:12 -!- Madtrixr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:43 -!- Madtrixr has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:30 -!- Madtrixr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:07 -!- Madtrixr has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:39 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:09 is there supposed to be a 1/10 chance at character creation for a DS to get a monstrous set? 03:34:28 oh there we go 03:44:17 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:10 is there discussion about them somewhere? Is the current implementation supposed to be final? 03:46:30 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:03 I beleive that Cryp71c took apart DS and used it as an excuse to learn programming 03:55:21 heh 04:05:45 well, most of my early crawl code was basically that. 04:05:47 I just ditched mosto f it. 04:06:46 I still would say that I don't truly know C++. 04:07:33 does anyone? 04:07:47 sorear? 04:07:53 doy? neunon? rob? 04:09:02 I truly know C++, fsvo truly 04:09:20 I understand the design principles of the system and can usually guess what things do 04:09:31 but... I keep a copy of the standard open while coding 04:23:16 -!- MaryPoppins is now known as Adeon 04:30:27 I doubt anyone knows all the little tidbits and has to at least occasionally consult the standard 04:31:49 it's a 1,300 page pdf with very little redundance 04:32:14 it'd be like being able to recite War and Peace from memory 04:32:17 I have Bjarnes book to consult in need 04:32:21 starting at any stated page number 04:40:13 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:29 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:01 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:01:36 -!- Baraton has left ##crawl-dev 05:01:49 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:14 invisible rock tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1652) by ortoslon 05:30:17 -!- phyphor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:28 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:38 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:10 ehm...did you limit the access to the ##crawl channel? 05:32:19 Nope. 05:32:20 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:32:25 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:32:29 [12:31] == Cannot send to channel: ##crawl 05:32:40 Ah, you're using a web gateway. 05:32:42 elly, ping? 05:32:57 Yeah...funny thing is, I wanted to ask help about setting up an IRC client 05:33:06 hah. 05:33:25 I read the motd, and elly's apparently sleeping 05:33:43 I doubt rax will be around... 05:33:48 And I'm not sure who else has ops, sorry. 05:34:02 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:59 -!- Amonchakad has quit [Client Quit] 05:35:49 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:53 -!- Amonchakad has quit [Client Quit] 05:59:59 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:01 powerful demonic guardian seems too powerful 06:01:22 i got it at D:5 and since then nothing can kill me (uniques die to executioners in one turn) 06:02:15 but you only get 50% xp, how can you live with this :P 06:03:01 i can't spend even those 50%, it just accumulates in the pool :P 06:03:32 besides, who needs muscles when you have badass friends 06:04:42 you should stop spending the xp and just attempt to win with the guardian alone 06:04:51 hmm 06:04:52 what's your highest skill at? 06:05:17 Fighting:8 at L:11 06:05:23 CL:11 06:12:55 executioners at that level is broken 06:15:51 monsters detected with antennae 1 shown as deep water (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1653) by ortoslon 06:17:33 due: should i file or add this somewhere? 06:19:31 are you running an older build without the tension based demonig guard? 06:19:40 no, today's build 06:20:13 I also get deep water 06:20:32 but tension threshold seemed very low, ice beast and a rat was enough threat to summon an executioner or a balrog 06:20:35 ortoslon: could do you try to run the tutorial and see if the mystical "blue squares" are visible? 06:20:56 where should i expect them to be? 06:21:00 I don't know 06:21:08 but presumably somewhere in the character's los 06:21:31 yeah i see one in the start 06:21:56 there really should be a special tile for the mystical blue squares but 06:22:12 I thought perhaps I built something wrong, because I have a lot of visual glitches in the master 06:22:24 deep water, no blue squares and inventory glitches as well 06:22:51 i haven't had the latter two 06:22:54 only deep water 06:23:06 ortoslon: I think it's a known issue. 06:23:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:30 Blue squares/etc always show up for me. 06:23:36 felirx: Meant to ask Denzi to make one for us. 06:37:44 remove yellow wasps 06:38:00 non-ac chars stand too little of a chance 06:38:39 what? 06:38:52 PR/meph take care of them 06:39:07 lol 06:39:27 you born with that spell and that resistance? 06:39:37 if not, use a wand 06:39:53 yeah, wands are good 06:40:03 used the only f***ing wand i found (of confusion) 5 times without success 06:40:13 then you had 5 turns to get out 06:40:22 scroll of tele, etc 06:40:28 uhm... so where did you meet that wasp? On D:3? 06:40:29 no, 2 turns 06:40:35 d10 06:41:57 so.. again just bad luck, huh? 06:42:00 *sigh* 06:43:12 bad luck to not have found another wand, bad luck to not succeed in using the one wand i found, bad luck that first attack slowed me 06:43:23 yellow wasps are easier than a pack of killer bees, and start appearing later 06:43:33 red wasps, on the other hand... 06:43:37 of course, bad luck for not choosing class with poison damage or resistance 06:43:49 but that just means "tier 2 wand on sight" 06:44:08 tier 2 wand? 06:44:19 fire/cold/lightning/draining 06:44:25 !lg * killer=~wasp s=place 06:44:45 652 games for * (killer=~wasp): 100x D:5, 96x D:8, 72x D:9, 67x D:7, 58x D:6, 36x D:4, 36x D:10, 34x D:3, 29x D:2, 29x D:11, 10x D:12, 10x D:13, 6x Swamp:1, 5x D:18, 5x Swamp:2, 4x Vault:5, 4x Swamp:3, 4x D:15, 4x D:14, 4x D:19, 3x Vault:7, 3x Swamp:5, 3x Hive:2, 3x Swamp:4, 2x D:16, 2x Vault:3, 2x D:1, 2x Lair:6, 2x Vault:4, 2x Vault:8, 1x D:17, 1x Lair:5, 1x Temple, 1x Hive:4, 1x Snake:2, 1x Lai... 06:45:10 !lg * killer=~wasp place=D:3 06:45:20 34. henryci the Ruinous (L3 HECj), slain by a yellow wasp on D:3 on 2010-05-30, with 149 points after 2859 turns and 0:03:45. 06:45:51 not even farming a bit... 06:46:08 well, dying to that wasp in D3 is natural.. or at least very lucky to survive 06:46:38 but shouldn't I stand a chance with 50hp, 6ac, 17ev in d10? 06:47:21 on D:10 you had means of escape even if somehow you had no means of killing it outright... but that guy on D:3 most likely had none 06:47:41 !lg * killer=yellow wasp place=D:10 06:47:44 33. Napkin the Carver (L8 HEPa), worshipper of The Shining One, slain by a yellow wasp on D:10 on 2010-05-31, with 2217 points after 11136 turns and 1:24:14. 06:47:47 !lg * killer=yellow wasp place=D:10 -tv 06:47:47 33. Napkin, XL8 HEPa, T:11136 requested for FooTV. 06:49:54 well, for one, 23 hp 06:50:24 hepa is kinda hard in the beginning though 06:50:31 that's half of a single clubbing from an ogre 06:50:32 they don't have much hp and gain it slowly 06:51:34 but yeah, you already was injured, should've moved to a known territory. 06:52:00 i ran from that ogre and the centauer with fire arrows 06:52:09 in d9 06:52:48 being several times dead (and saved by TSO) 06:53:01 pardon? 06:53:11 he protected you from harm! 06:53:22 TSO saved me? when? 06:53:27 at the very end? 06:53:27 on d;9 06:53:42 during the ogre/centaur fight 06:53:45 it's probably noted 06:53:51 !log * killer=yellow wasp place=D:10 06:53:51 there was no fight ;) 06:53:57 33. Napkin, XL8 HEPa, T:11136: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.6/Napkin/morgue-Napkin-20100531-113719.txt 06:54:22 ok, during the running away screaming :) 06:54:55 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54:55 and you had war chants! 06:55:12 that's very lucky to find one that early. 06:55:22 yeah, didn't want to teleport away at first.. didn't want to land near the troll to the west 06:55:38 well, yeah, so lucky, that casting the repell missle spell (poor) 5 times didn't work once 06:56:16 just another sucky unlucky game.. getting used to it 06:57:09 I think if you're better off starting a HECr and becoming a worshipper of TSO at the first altar 06:57:26 at least you'll be able to berserk at xl 3 06:57:36 03kilobyte * r47711c4c018d 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Greatly increase rot for starving ghouls (OG17). 06:57:42 I just have to laugh.. getting told things like - having a 32% chance of BLA is good - when I'm always at the 68% other side 06:57:50 and it probably would be easier to play this 0.7 06:58:03 no thanks, 0.7 is too unstable 06:58:43 i'm not playing often enough, to justify the play-testing deaths 06:59:45 anyways.. nothing to do about yellow wasp, huh? they are "fine" I guess? 07:00:09 well, most recent bugs were beneficial for players :p 07:00:34 suuuure, as soon as I decide playing stable for once ;-P 07:00:43 ;) 07:02:15 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:57 but if you want to exploit something in stable, try VpEn with a vampiric weapon... full heal every freaking stab 07:03:02 xale: HECr starts with short sword.. that's not so nice 07:03:16 ouch 07:03:31 is there a fix in the 0.6 branch already? 07:04:27 no, doy said it's not nasty enough to be worth a fix a few days before release 07:04:43 Napkin: s. blades cross-train with long blades and elves have great aptitudes for both 07:05:01 well, release has been done - let's update 0.6 on CDO at least? 07:05:21 Napkin: the only problem (I think) is that if you train s. blades too much you might mess up acquirement weighting if in the end you only want to use long blades 07:05:24 xale: it is an issue if you want to ever use acquirement in any form 07:05:24 xale: I know - but a reasonable long sword is hard to find 07:05:51 you can get falchions of the early orcs 07:05:56 demon blades are decent 07:07:12 unless you get 3 glowing -2,-1 hand axes 07:08:06 nah.. i'm dying way too often 07:10:24 anyways, thanks for the hints 07:11:15 if you have ever seen me play any dice/random game, you'd know why I'm complaining ;) 07:11:21 *had seen 07:11:38 do you play backgammon? 07:12:55 i try not to ;) 07:14:08 henzell told us you won twice in 0.6! 07:14:38 yeah.. 07:14:59 after about 3.5 years of playing ;) 07:15:23 play broken 0.6 combos :) 07:17:56 -!- xale has quit [Quit: xale] 07:18:04 right... a yellow wasp on D:9, took two minor destructions and fell 07:18:29 -!- xale has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:42 eg, anything of makhleb :P 07:20:24 you mean, D:5 greater servants are overpowered? :p 07:20:47 exactly ;) 07:32:31 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:03 I'm around now, what's up? 07:47:23 rax: Needed to adjust the +q on gateway/freenoed/web, etc. 07:47:28 But the person in question has left, so it's fine. 07:47:45 he also appeared on ##crawl through some IRC client later 07:48:09 Ah, excellent, problem solved then. 07:49:03 Oh good. I don't like that ban but apparently the spam was really bad before? 07:49:10 Yeah. 08:05:28 due: you pinged? 08:05:38 oh 08:05:44 Problem solved! 08:05:46 that person apparently got another IRC client working 08:05:47 woot 08:07:50 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:03 03dolorous * r45d413fb1187 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Change the message when a Recite-affected monster can't be imprisoned. 08:27:52 is there a specific reason why "env.h" is not included in almost any headers? 08:28:28 and where would I put something that needs both 'monsters' and 'menv'. 08:30:29 -!- Amonchakad has quit [*.net *.split] 08:32:52 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 08:33:03 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:22 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:36 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:21 shouldn't "powered by death" increase MP regeneration, too? 09:16:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:29 !tell Cryp71c Some PbD feedback on dcss:feedback:demonspawn. 09:23:29 by: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 09:24:18 PbD always expands to Peanut butter Death in my head 09:24:24 * greensnark does not like peanut butter. 09:25:23 part of that feedback is that the "PbD" status light should go 09:28:55 Is 0.7 on target for July? 09:29:46 I don't think it will happen 09:30:03 Ow 09:30:35 Well, I guess if it doesn't we can hack up a 0.6.x with the armour fixes at least 09:32:10 is the trove entry I have on cdo supposed to be inaccessible like that? 09:32:27 enter_trove_2, and it's blocked by granite statues 09:34:23 playing with heavy armour is a bad idea even with the 0.7 fixes 09:34:48 Maybe we should throw out the 0.6 changes and start over 09:35:22 I think 0.5 heavy armour could be nerfed with just minor tweaks to high end AC and GDR 09:35:43 Some numbers to compare 0.5 and 0.6 would be handy 09:35:45 that's what i thought the intention was 09:36:01 syllogism: I think it went a lot further than that :) 09:36:05 yes 09:36:08 the new combat penalties especially 09:36:13 I don't think the weapon speed and other changes were necessary, yeah 09:36:28 The spellcasting penalties seemed ok 09:38:27 the spellcasting penalties seems to be fine yes 09:38:45 I could wear a one size larger shield at point without too much trouble for instance 09:38:55 I think light armour is more brokenly good than heavy armour being brokenly bad 09:39:09 Did it get better in 0.6? 09:39:26 not significantly, I think 09:42:51 poor denzi, still being bossed around by random mantis people 09:43:02 you should come to his rescue 09:52:58 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:55:26 -!- xale has quit [Quit: xale] 09:58:09 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3285755&pagenumber=62&perpage=40#post377557574 09:58:29 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:09 nice 10:17:06 Compile failure on Fedora rawhide on x86_64 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1654) by vonbrand 10:19:01 03by * r613cfce82ba4 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Adapt target cycling to circular range. 10:19:07 syllogism, greensnark: what do you think re circular range vs square LOS? 10:20:20 square LOS seems really ugly and I'm not convinced it's worth it 10:21:28 at least based on the arguments presented in the FR 10:23:54 the only bad inconsistency (in my opinion) was being able to shoot outside LOS along diagonals, which is why I went for the circular ranges 10:24:00 yes 10:24:13 Square LOS works ok in some games, it'd probably be easy to get used to 10:24:26 It'll also reduce zigzagging autoexplore :D 10:24:33 Autoexplore zigzags because LOS is not true-circular 10:24:42 (where square LOS is true-circular) 10:25:07 But yeah, square LOS looks pretty ugly at first :) 10:28:13 true-circular == every point on the circle boundary is the same number of steps away? 10:28:23 Yes 10:28:32 Circle being defines as locus of points at radius r from center 10:29:14 Well, currently LOS and movement measure distance differently, so they're both true circles from their distance measures 10:29:32 So I meant distance as in movement distance 10:29:35 right 10:30:19 It would fix the beams thing and autoexplore zigzagging at the cost of some ugliness 10:30:45 It doesn't really worry me either way though 10:33:01 The crawl wiki is pretty weird 10:33:12 80% of the content seems to be people writing about the characters they played 10:33:28 really 10:34:06 Well, maybe not 80% :P 10:36:13 can't find them :P 10:36:55 Ok, here's one: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=PsyMar_the_Generic_Whatever 10:36:58 :P 10:37:14 And a whole list: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Category:Diary_of_a_Crawler 10:37:57 ... http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=The_Sibylline_Spiel_of_Hogswald_Pfifflebottom_III_the_Malodorous 10:38:09 ... 10:40:39 'I found a wooden ring. On it, several words are scribed: "To my beloved Sarah, may we not be eaten by bloodthirsty geckos."' 10:40:57 Someone's put a lot of effort into this :) 10:43:17 what the hell 10:51:44 greensnark: you should write a diary of a crawler 10:52:04 not a diary of a developer? 10:52:46 "deary diary, today another stupid user feature requested a stupid thing" 10:52:52 naa, would be boring 10:58:36 -!- by has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:11:52 -!- Luca__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:15 Is it intended that nonliving things can be paralysed by needles? 11:37:25 Such as electric golems 11:38:06 out of curiousity, how easily can one paralyze them? 11:38:11 i paralysed orbs of fire 11:38:29 zaba: you need high throwing and enchanted blowgun 11:39:08 at least if you want to have decent odds; the needles are rare even with okawaru 11:52:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 11:55:33 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:32 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 12:34:11 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:29 -!- daftfad has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:55 Crash on entering Ecumenical Temple (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1655) by vonbrand 13:00:41 -!- Niccus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:31 That's the third temple crash. 13:05:43 The two in mantis and mine (which is the same). 13:06:26 Ooh, note about fixage. Nice. 13:16:13 it hasn't been fixed to my knowledge 13:40:37 I get a new assertion failure on trunk now. 13:40:49 crawl: rltiles/tiledef-feat.cc:1251: tile_info& tile_feat_info(tileidx_t): Assertion `idx >= TILE_WALL_MAX && idx < TILE_FEAT_MAX' failed. 13:41:14 -!- Enne has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:59 Hrm, that's the same that vonbrand has. 13:42:08 It indeed doesn't seem to be completely solved. 13:52:23 the tiledef objects don't seem to get compiled with debug symbols 13:52:53 or at least gdb doesn't find them 13:55:37 but probably Enne can fix it easily; hi Enne! 13:56:05 Howdy. :) 13:56:11 What's the issue? 13:56:35 we have some tiledef assert crashes, and gdb hasn't helped me so far 13:57:06 e.g. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1644 13:57:36 I also got a crash here, and apparently some background tile index is wrongly greater than TILE_FEAT_MAX (1019 if I remember correctly) 14:02:08 could anyone take a look at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1362? 14:02:13 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1362 14:02:19 silly question mark 14:02:47 It's probably not a big issue for the majority of people, but I just can't play the current trunk, the font makes my eyes bleed 14:03:06 oh hey isn't that arial or something 14:03:16 Wasn't that a mermaid? 14:03:29 arial the font 14:03:40 Yeah, bad pun on my side.sorry. 14:03:53 I don't know 14:05:00 Is there an option somewhere in the files to switch font? 14:05:19 Amonchakad: I remember reading some discussion about a similar issue some time ago 14:05:41 sorry I can't currently be more specific, but was that ever solved? 14:05:53 that was some font rendering change between 0.5 and 0.6? 14:06:23 could you find tiles_options.txt and see if searching for font yieds anything? 14:06:25 I'm quite sure there was a font change between 0.5 and 0.6 14:06:40 Think I already looked there, but double checking now 14:07:00 font settings seem to be identical between 0.5 and 0.6 14:07:16 is that related? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1358 14:08:08 Uhm...yes, that's actually the very same thing 14:08:13 if you're on tiles, you can change the font vie options 14:08:23 targeting oddity with peaceful freed slave (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1656) by st 14:08:36 The font's the same, but Freetype changed underneath. 14:09:16 Crawl's not good about searching font paths for fonts, but if you put the .ttf file in the dat/tiles directory, you can use it. 14:09:38 Both 0.6 and 0.7 use the same font settings 14:09:42 So it must be Freetype 14:09:59 I recall it giving me similar font problems with Battle for Wesnoth too 14:10:00 ...by changing the tile_font_$foo_file and tile_font_$foo_size settings in tile_settings.txt. 14:11:57 Uhm. Not to be picky, but 0.6 still looks the same, so there was some kind of font change in 0.7? 14:12:21 I interpreted the Freetype explanation as "that got updated" 14:13:40 my 0.7 tiles still has monospace font but it's a somewhat old build 14:16:35 on April 7, ftoption.h was changed to define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER instead of TT_CONFIG_OPTION_UNPATENTED_HINTING 14:16:56 I remember people saying that should be an improvement, but maybe it wasn't everywhere 14:17:31 Hmm. That's unfortunate. 14:18:01 Amonchakad: can you compile yourself and compare? 14:18:28 Ehm... 14:18:44 To be honest, I don't have the concept of "compiling" very clear 14:20:14 Amonchakad: What OS are you running on? 14:20:35 Win 7 14:21:05 Well, we have the bug report. Let me bump the priority up to major so it can at least get looked at before 0.7 is done. 14:21:18 Oh...ok,great :D thanks. 14:22:00 by any chance do you not have the Vera Mono font? 14:22:03 In the meantime, changing the font to a different font via tiles options is probably your best bet. 14:23:11 Amonchakad: can I close 1362 as duplicate? 14:23:32 by: for me, sure. I didn't open it though. 14:24:18 Niccus: I don't have Vera Mono in my fonts folder 14:31:58 I guess both increasing the font size and automatically using Segoe UI or Tahoma on windows would improve things 14:31:58 Luca__: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:32:03 !messages 14:32:03 (1/1) by said (4d 9h 32m 47s ago): Let me know when you think (parts of) clientserver are ready to merge. 14:33:35 Those 2 are other fonts? 14:34:05 they are the default UI fonts for windows vista/7 and xp respectively 14:34:23 Hmhm, ok. But I need to copy them in the crawl folder? 14:34:38 Beside changing the tiles_options, obviously 14:34:58 ah, and subpixel hinting 14:35:22 though maybe the real solution is to switch from freetype to GDI or DirectWrite 14:35:40 so that all the windows settings including cleartype just work 14:36:22 Hm. 14:37:21 Luca__: A patch to add fontwrapper-gdi or fontwrapper-dw would be nice. 14:37:26 I admit I know nothing about all this, though I'm looking this stuff on Wikipedia. 14:37:41 yes (but sorry, not from me :) ) 14:38:13 maybe even better, use cairo/pango 14:38:32 which will then use the native technology on both windows and non-windows 15:07:52 Luca__: Aren't those annoyingly dependant on glib and stuff? 15:07:57 -!- Luca__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:18 -!- Luca__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:03 pango depends on glib 15:14:15 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:04 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:08 Those are horribly horrible to build properly on Windows, in my world. 15:47:36 is glib so bad? 15:47:52 anyway, I guess it already comes with mingw or gnuwin32 15:48:20 Well, glib may be survivable. 15:48:27 Stuff like gtk and ilk, less so. 15:48:44 but, yes, I did try compiling crawl with visual c++ from scratch, and it's really tedious 15:49:16 I'm talking about mingw. I don't expect arbitrary projects to build well with VC++. 15:49:23 Crawl didn't seem to the last time I tried. 15:49:48 I managed to compile it, after some patches and adjustments (and a lot of package downloading) 15:50:19 In any way, no glib.h in my msysgit install. 15:50:40 I don't think there are any devs that use MSVC, so it doesn't stay up to date. 15:50:51 And, I'm a little reluctant to just edit the .vcproj by hand and hope it works. 15:50:52 I had to hackfix the gigantic set of ifs to build with 2010. 15:51:07 "else nested too deep, bailing out lol" 15:51:11 Haha, I saw that. 15:51:16 yes, I got a patch applied for that 15:51:24 "At least MSVC supports templates these days." 15:51:43 I got a crazy idea to add 3D meshes to the tiles version once, and tried getting into the code. 15:51:48 It's rather opaque to a newcomer :) 15:51:53 c++ in 2008fp and 2010 is quite good 15:52:51 wow 15:53:07 did you actually manage to do it? 15:53:13 Heck no. 15:53:22 I use msvc to code but not compile 15:53:26 Didn't get much past trying to get a feel for how the source hangs together. 15:54:44 I kind of doubt 3D would be an improvement though 15:55:01 the amount of effort 3d graphics take. I doubt crawl has the manpower 15:55:21 well perhaps some isometric 3d with prerendered tiles could be good 15:55:21 compare creating models and tiles 15:55:31 If I had a Max artist in the basement who could crank out models and animations as fast as the dev team seems to crank out new monsters, that might be remotely feasible. ;) 15:55:45 We have a hard enough time getting somebody to make a nice looking 32x32 image. 15:55:59 I'd be down to make 64x64 tiles 15:56:22 I think even making the art twice as big on the screen would make it much easier to add detail 15:56:24 For all those people running at > 1216 vertical resolution? 15:56:27 felirx: Yeah, it's rather unfeasible. It was mostly a "wouldn't it be cool if..." thought :) 15:56:29 maybe there are some free 3d mesh libraries that could be used? 15:56:38 Enne: does http://sprunge.us/gPWP look sensible? 15:56:49 btw, svg tiles seem like a good idea where possible 15:56:51 Luca__: assimp can import meshes easily. It's the asset creation that's the problem. 15:56:57 But at the size enemies are drawn, 3d wouldn't be worthwhile. Not to mention the man hours it would take. 15:57:02 Zao: Yes. 15:57:12 by: Ah, that would certainly do it. 15:57:13 no, I mean some free collection of 3d meshes than can be borrowed 15:57:17 by: Thank you. :) 15:57:26 Luca__: not really 15:57:31 Also, must 3d modellers aren't that good. Look at the models in the major graphic "update" mods to like Doom and Duke Nukem. The models are atrocious. I'd take awesome sprites over mediocre models any day. 15:57:32 e.g. once you have a dragon mesh, you can recolor it and make all dragons 15:57:37 haven't really found any at least that are usable 15:57:43 and not those 100000 poly meshes 15:57:50 perhaps other free 3d games? 15:58:02 well, high poly meshes can be automatically reduced, no? 15:58:13 also, if you prerender, it doesn't matter 15:58:25 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:43 Asset creation is still the bottleneck to a 3D version. 15:58:45 I'd rather see animations and sounds added. 15:58:52 Sprite animations are fun as hell to make 15:59:06 "is that imp flicking me a pixelated finger?" 15:59:06 Enne: btw, is it intential that tile_apply_animations is not called for the player cell? 15:59:08 Even for something like Nethack, which has been static for years and has a *much* smaller creature set, you don't see any 3D versions. 15:59:15 (from viewwindow) 15:59:22