00:10:26 <Poor_Yurik> anyone with commit access awake right now?
00:17:39 <sorear> yes
00:17:59 <sorear> but I'm in no state for patch review
00:19:02 <Poor_Yurik> Actually, I just wanted to take you up on your offer earlier :)
00:19:20 <Poor_Yurik> just noticed it
00:19:30 <Poor_Yurik> I want to delete attachments off of two of my reports
00:19:49 <Poor_Yurik> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1624
00:20:02 <Poor_Yurik> and https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1625
00:20:19 <Poor_Yurik> all the attachments except for the ones ending in "detail"
00:20:53 <Poor_Yurik> long story, but basically the ones without 32 weren't 32x32, so I uploaded the new files, but I figure they should be named properly for the build.
00:21:09 <sorear> I'd rather delete _detail
00:21:15 <sorear> why delete _32?
00:21:21 <sorear> _detail is not in a usable format
00:22:41 <Poor_Yurik> well, i mean, detail was just to show people who looked at the report what the files look like a bit zoomed in.  You can axe those too I suppose, what I meant was, was that the _32 files are the proper ones for the build, but the ones with 32 and not detail are named properly for it.
00:23:12 <Poor_Yurik> the 32 ones are the right ones for the game itself, but they shouldn't have _32 at the end of their names.
00:23:43 <Poor_Yurik> So i'll just reupload them properly named once the attachments are deleted
00:24:27 <sorear> ah
00:26:30 <Poor_Yurik> Thank you
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01:57:40 <due> morning
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02:36:43 <Keskitalo> Afternoons!
02:36:44 <Henzell> Keskitalo: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
02:36:51 <Keskitalo> !messages
02:36:52 <Henzell> (1/1) by said (1w 20h 33m 40s ago): My first spider's nest, yay! Quite a challenge -- had to use everything I had to make it, got some nice loot.
02:37:15 <due> Hi Eino!
02:38:00 <Keskitalo> Lucky to get good loot! There's fairly little. It seems that the Nest map is challenging, but enjoyable, should keep it (and the eventual branch) that way.
02:38:06 <Keskitalo> Hi due!
02:38:14 <Keskitalo> !tell dpeg Good work on the Enchantment split wiki page!
02:38:14 <Henzell> Keskitalo: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
03:09:06 <Keskitalo> Got a comment from a Warwalrus team member, that in a few months the usability stuff has evolved quite nicely.
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03:42:08 <ortoslon> Keskitalo: what's up for testing in the latest windows builds?
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04:05:28 <due> Keskitalo: I made moer changes to the tutorial.
04:26:32 <felirx> what kind of an ending should we do for the tutorial?
04:28:54 <due> Kill the character. :)
04:29:04 <felirx> Sigmund failed at that :(
04:29:17 <due> monster_dies triggerable that callls you.die() if you kill Sigmund.
04:30:01 <felirx> oo nice, the elf only has his robe on
04:31:25 <due> :o
04:31:28 <due> Naughty!
04:31:32 <due> Not even a wizard hat?
04:31:40 <felirx> it's a reaver type char!
04:31:55 <due> :(
04:33:59 <felirx> does good_item item tag imply not cursed?
04:36:35 <due> I... think so. Not sure.
04:36:48 <due> not_cursed ensures it.
04:37:27 <felirx> I think I've gotten cursed slaying ring in some ofthe tutorial test runs with good_item no_uniq
04:38:00 <due> Hm, that's possible, I suppose.
04:38:14 <due> good_item doesn't ensure uncursed, I guess.
04:40:13 <KiloByte> nor positive plusses, and not even being any good.  It just sets the generation level high.
04:40:30 <due> Yeah
04:47:47 <felirx> nice, this run sigmund went straight away invisible
04:48:01 <felirx> and now he confused me ;D
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04:51:17 <due> muuu <3
04:51:53 <felirx> the needle trap failed to poison me
04:52:03 <due> Really?
04:52:07 <felirx> yep
04:52:08 <due> that should not happen
04:52:12 <felirx> had to restep to it to get pois
04:52:15 <due> I utterly hacked the poisoning in
04:52:20 <felirx> ah
04:52:21 <felirx> I dodged it
04:52:27 <felirx> "you avoid triggering a needle trap"
04:52:30 <due> hm
04:52:40 <due> Need to add a "no_dodge" tag then :)
04:52:53 <due> Or addjust the current always_hit.
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04:55:13 <due> Zaba! <3
04:55:18 <xale> anybody knows why inventory weights do not work with menu icons in tiles?
04:56:12 <CIA-44> 03felirx * redb13198fed3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial.des: Tutorial tweaks, Added doors and not_cursed on ring
04:56:29 <felirx> hope I didn't break anything
04:56:39 <due> felirx: omg u b0rk it :(
04:56:51 <due> (I haven't even pulled yet, actually.)
04:57:06 <felirx> The wand room was the worst
04:57:17 <felirx> you would have to move some 4~5 squares while getting pelted with rocks
04:57:18 <due> Yeah, that needs/needed fixing.
04:57:22 <felirx> to get to the wand
04:57:25 <felirx> fixed thaht
04:57:26 <due> yup
04:57:28 <due> yay
04:58:47 <felirx> now to pick up my notebook from some ~6km away on a bike
05:00:43 <due> League boots?
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05:02:31 <felirx> league boots?
05:04:20 <due> Ten-league boots?
05:04:24 <due> Seven!
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05:18:26 <xale> I think demonic guardian needs some message when a demon appears.
05:18:48 <Xiberia> "sup"
05:24:58 <xale> by: I fixed the problem with mimics
05:24:59 <xale> by: http://sprunge.us/MOiG
05:32:37 <by> thanks; do you not want to include author information (email)?
05:35:45 <xale> not really
05:36:01 <by> ok
05:36:02 <xale> what you did before is ok
05:37:55 <CIA-44> 03by * rffa79933432d 10/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc: Use the appropriate position for items owned by mimics (xale).
05:37:56 <xale> oh, and you can also close #1518 and #1596 now!
05:40:17 <by> done, thanks!
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05:51:15 <felirx> alright then, Tutorial ending
05:51:26 <felirx> a nice room with some scereny, or impossible monster gibbage?
05:55:22 <due> DEATH.
05:55:23 <due> Or both.
05:58:58 <pineapple> i think the tutorial has to end with death
05:59:09 <pineapple> because death is part of the experience
05:59:35 <felirx> which unique to give the pleasure or put a scary ood mobs there mm
06:00:11 <felirx> maybe All favorite oklobs
06:00:53 <pineapple> which dlvl?
06:01:07 <due> it *has* to end
06:01:16 <felirx> d:4 ends in sigmund
06:01:28 <felirx> if you win it, d5 starts the regular broken D:5
06:01:38 <pineapple> regular broken?
06:01:49 <st_> so you need something after siggy?
06:01:51 <felirx> no temple, no branches, no uniques
06:02:00 <pineapple> and yes, i was about to suggest sigmund
06:02:01 <felirx> D:5 needs an ending to tutorial
06:02:10 <felirx> if you manage to kill sig
06:02:19 <st_> test spawner
06:02:31 <pineapple> can i ask why it's a broken d:5 ?
06:02:44 <felirx> because game_mode == GAME_TUTORIAL
06:02:52 <pineapple> meaning?
06:02:56 <felirx> which stops unique random spawns, vault gen etc
06:03:06 <xale> by: did you do anything about the xom miscast effect assertion failure?
06:03:27 <pineapple> felirx: so it's supposed to not be the full game?
06:03:36 <felirx> have you done the 0.7 tutorial?
06:03:45 <felirx> it's a minigame with fixed 4 levels
06:03:51 <pineapple> no... aaah, i see
06:03:55 <felirx> (right now)
06:04:05 <pineapple> this makes more sense now
06:04:24 <Zaba> a test spawner would be appropriate! With a message, "And now, you die.  Sooner or later.  THat will happen often."
06:04:42 <felirx> D:4 has sigmund in the last room, if you manage to kill/evade him you can go downstairs to D:5
06:04:56 <xale> that somehow seems wrong, surely people would want to continue playing after the tutorial?
06:05:04 <xale> rather than starting from the beginning
06:05:11 <felirx> do the 0.7 tutorial
06:05:16 <felirx> you'll see why it needs ot end
06:05:29 <Zaba> xale, that is not the point of the new tutorial
06:07:13 <by> xale: no
06:07:28 <pineapple> is this on cdo?
06:07:46 <felirx> technically it is, not sure you can launch it in any way
06:08:03 <pineapple> not from the menu?
06:09:58 <due> xale: The whole point is that it is a not-game minigame.
06:12:29 <felirx> tutorial mode that lets you continue the game normally does not really fit crawl
06:12:42 <felirx> it fits games like rpgs, mmos etc a lot better
06:13:50 <felirx> maybe a pandemonium lord with firestorm could be a cool ending?
06:15:04 <felirx> can shaft traps be designated where they put you?
06:15:48 <due> No :)
06:16:21 <felirx> might be cool to fall down a saft, right next to a pandalord ambush :D
06:17:15 <pineapple> centaur
06:18:43 <pineapple> is the player lmited in character choice for the tutorial, like in earlier versions of it?
06:19:22 <felirx> customized version of HEFi
06:19:22 <due> There is one choice.
06:19:29 <felirx> sorta reaver but not
06:19:51 <casmith789> HEFi cool
06:19:57 <pineapple> so unlikely to take a centaur out easily
06:20:07 <felirx> he has minor destruction and a wand of fireball
06:20:22 <felirx> by that point
06:20:33 <pineapple> aaaaah
06:20:40 <due> I still reckon killing Sigmund = death is an excellent idea.
06:20:42 <pineapple> fire immune?
06:21:34 <pineapple> ??minor destruction
06:21:34 <Henzell> minor destruction[1/1]: Power is based on invocations. Randomly fires one of: puff of flame, pain, stone arrow, shock (zap), acid. There is no piety cost, so it's an excellent way to train invocations. Costs 1mp and hunger of between 4 and 31, somewhere between 'Minor' and 'Moderate' hunger on the spell hunger scale.
06:21:42 <pineapple> hmm...
06:25:14 <st_> Angel
06:27:48 <xale> is that great sword supposed to be bad?
06:28:11 <felirx> read the blue text tiles
06:28:45 <xale> I got slain by a rat :P
06:28:52 <felirx> how :(
06:29:09 <xale> I didn't notice I've got 50 rations and am overloaded I guess that contributed to it
06:29:24 <felirx> you should have read the tutorial texts :(
06:29:36 <xale> I'm sorry.
06:30:28 <casmith789> I can't figure out how to get onto the tutorial
06:30:41 <felirx> probably needs a local game
06:30:45 <casmith789> oh right
06:32:34 <felirx> for some reason, I want to name this pandelord Dpeg
06:32:58 <xale> D'Peg
06:33:17 <st_> well you could use plog
06:47:30 <due> Use plog!
07:01:13 <CIA-44> 03felirx * r881c5e779200 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial.des: Preliminary Congratulations map for Tutorial
07:01:28 <felirx> the scenery has lots of room for improvement on that I think
07:02:05 <felirx> and I made a typo :(
07:02:42 <KiloByte> oh noes, the sky will fall upon our heads because of that
07:04:02 <KiloByte> due: I just added non-hacky support for fixedarts that shouldn't be generated.  Should things like the robe of clouds (the Cloud Mage wizlab) be restricted?
07:04:57 <KiloByte> hmm, the tutorial mentions keys which are not available in the version you use
07:05:06 <KiloByte> like, clicking things, or shift-dir
07:05:34 <felirx> most of the messages should be tiles/console sensitive
07:06:44 <KiloByte> it tells you to rest twice even when on full hp, too -- and it's unlikely you'll lose any
07:10:01 <KiloByte> "Death in Crawl is inevitable, sometimes you will get yourself way over your head and you will die. Often" -- often what?
07:11:50 <felirx> die, often
07:12:29 <KiloByte> at the very least, there should be a full stop
07:13:45 <due> Death in Crawl is inevitable. Sometimes you wil get yourself way over your head; offten, you will die.
07:14:16 * due sleep.
07:14:16 <felirx> isn't it get yournelf in way over your head?
07:14:37 <due> Well, yeah.
07:14:40 <due> Something like that.
07:14:52 <due> KiloByte: Robe of clouds was coded well before the  map, actually.
07:14:59 <due> KiloByte: It's not a cloud-mage-wizlab-only fixedart.
07:21:42 <CIA-44> 03felirx * rd6068afbc863 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial.des: Correct typos and grammar in tutorial
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08:43:41 <xale> by: I've reproduced your miscast crash.
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09:24:12 <Ashenzari> mummy death curse causes broken death message (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1628) by rob
09:24:12 <Ashenzari> orb of destruction has broken death message (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1627) by rob
09:34:16 <Ashenzari> blowing self up with disintegration has questionable death message (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1629) by rob
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09:36:20 <by> xale: reproduced as in it eventually happens when doing lots of xom effects, or something easier?
09:37:07 <xale> I've changed xom.cc to only give necromancy miscasts, so not lots
09:37:11 <xale> but yeah.
09:37:26 <xale> I just wanted to know whether you've done anything about it.
09:38:39 <by> no, not at all -- are you working on it, or should I have a look?
09:39:13 <xale> no, I'll fix it.
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10:13:35 <by> it'd be nice if the mantis graph page could be restriced to category Bug Report
10:15:22 <by> the "By Reporter" graph is great
10:22:11 <CIA-44> 03kilobyte * r180e33d1420d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (art-data.txt artefact.cc artefact.h util/art-data.pl): Make "disallowed for generation" a proper fixedart flag.
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11:07:27 <Cryp71c> Rar, I'm here.
11:15:28 <CIA-44> 03dolorous * r9051e0b3487a 10/crawl-ref/source/artefact.h: Fix wording.
11:17:03 <Poor_Yurik> o/
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13:12:03 <Poor_Yurik> Enne, you around?
13:18:31 <CIA-44> 03Cryp71c 07unarmed_effects * rf80f3c6a0fe4 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Implement Hooves aux effect
13:19:13 <CIA-44> 03Cryp71c 07unarmed_effects * r76712fca1ed9 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Fix typo in headbutt aux effect
13:22:40 <Cryp71c> Wierd, havn't seen dpeg today...
13:23:23 <Cryp71c> by, what's your take on DS obligate atheism? I hadn't seen you comment on the FR.
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13:46:48 <Enne> I'm around now, Poor_Yurik, why?
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14:15:01 <Poor_Yurik> I want to show you what i have for the spriggan area so far
15:18:21 <Poor_Yurik> Anybody want to talk Spriggans right now?
15:21:04 <Enne> Links?
15:21:10 <Poor_Yurik> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4647838197_9823994d70_o.png
15:21:20 <Enne> I'll certainly look, but I have no idea what's intended for a spriggan area.  :P
15:22:22 <Poor_Yurik> Enne
15:22:25 <Poor_Yurik> did you look at that pic?
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15:25:02 <Poor_Yurik> Enne, did you get that link?
15:25:26 <Enne> Yes, although I'm sorting out why my browser seems hosed.  :P
15:25:47 <Poor_Yurik> k, let me know if you check it out
15:27:07 <Poor_Yurik> I don't know who else is interested in talking tiles, I read on the dev page that you are the main tile guy.
15:28:12 <Enne> Er, s/main tile guy/person who wishes they had more time to write tiles-related code/
15:28:49 <Enne> It's unfortunate that jpeg avoid IRC, because she has a lot of good stuff to say too.
15:28:54 <Enne> s/avoid/avoids/
15:29:08 <Poor_Yurik> I thought I saw her on here before, maybe not
15:29:12 <Poor_Yurik> how is she best contacted?
15:29:50 <Enne> Direct email? Alternatively, if you want to have a discussion, push it through crawl-ref-discuss?
15:30:45 <Poor_Yurik> is there an email list?
15:31:27 <Poor_Yurik> I mean, of people's emails
15:31:40 <sorear> <name>@users.sourceforge.net
15:31:47 <sorear> ??devteam[2]
15:31:48 <Henzell> devteam[2/4]: Eino Keskitalo / evktalo / Keskitalo, Haran Pilpel / haranp / haranp, Johanna Ploog / j-p-e-g / -, Jude Brown / bookofjude / due, Steven Noonan / mozillagodzilla / neunon, Nat Lanza / nlanza / -, Paul Du Bois / pauldubois / -, Peter Berger / peterb12 / -
15:32:04 <sorear> 2nd column is the SF username / mail alias
15:33:05 <Poor_Yurik> Ah thank you sorear
15:34:13 <Enne> Poor_Yurik: I love the trees and the campfire.  <3 all the monsters.
15:34:33 <Enne> The ground seems a little busy and maybe a little bright?
15:37:15 <Enne> Also, transition tiles from ground to shallow water are a good idea, but I'm not quite sure how they'd function.
15:37:36 <Enne> The shoals right now just overlay waves onto the sand tiles.
15:40:50 <Poor_Yurik> how do the shoals overlays work?
15:41:18 <CIA-44> 03by * rdc1bc6d75bce 10/crawl-ref/source/ (defines.h spl-mis.h): Change MHITNOT, MHITYOU and miscast defines to an enum.
15:41:20 <CIA-44> 03by * re215fac0556a 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-mon.cc: Fix a misuse of NON_MONSTER vs MONS_NO_MONSTER.
15:41:21 <Poor_Yurik> I was thinking the transition tiles could be implemented via small prefabs/vaults sections for shorelines/lakes/etc
15:41:22 <CIA-44> 03by * r8eee4bb713b8 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-mis.cc: Set a valid bolt::beam_source for conjuration miscasts.
15:41:24 <CIA-44> 03by * r34e562be156b 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Use beam_source for miscast beam attribution.
15:42:14 <Poor_Yurik> Oh and those monsters are the Spriggans.  Is that look for them cool?
15:42:34 <Poor_Yurik> the one with the animal skin on his head and the staff is the druid
15:42:38 <Enne> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/a-tide-of-tiles might explain some of it.
15:43:01 <Enne> You should probably ask whoever's working on spriggan stuff.  I certainly think they look neat, though.  :)
15:43:48 <Enne> The other consideration for transition tiles is that you have to keep in mind the console version.  If the transition tiles are ground, then you can't give away extra information to tiles players (there's water adjacent) that console players don't have.
15:43:49 <Poor_Yurik> Who is working on the Spriggan stuff?  The people doing the open discussion in the wiki about it?
15:44:09 <by> KiloByte is
15:44:25 <by> but I'm not sure he cares about the tiles
15:45:29 <Poor_Yurik> Ah thank you
15:45:50 <Enne> (Ack, I need to run off.)
15:45:59 <Poor_Yurik> Enne, the transition tiles were meant to be treated as shallow water
15:46:07 <Poor_Yurik> Ah ok Enne, ttyl
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15:50:59 <Poor_Yurik> ??devteam[1]
15:50:59 <Henzell> devteam[1/4]: The Stone Soup Team: Name / SF / IRC: Adam Borowski / castamir / kilobyte, Charles Otto / caotto / pointless, David Lawrense Ramsey / dolorous / -, David Ploog / dploog / dpeg, Enne Walker / ennewalker / Enne
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16:06:12 <CIA-44> 03dolorous * r6182bb0cbed0 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation-data.h: Fix punctuation for eyeballs, and document SInv for level 3 antennae.
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17:40:17 <CIA-44> 03dolorous * rbd163f904995 10/crawl-ref/source/ (defines.h wiz-mon.cc): Typo fixes.
18:00:44 <due> morn
18:04:34 <KiloByte> due: meow!
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18:33:07 <CIA-44> 03dolorous * r7a8f46dcca0b 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Allow hell hogs to show up in the Abyss.
18:33:10 <CIA-44> 03dolorous * red4ea66b2dfa 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Allow demonic crawlers to show up in Pandemonium.
18:36:44 <KiloByte> yay moar sticky flame for my scrolls
18:40:26 <Poor_Yurik> Kilobyte, if you didn't see earlier, here's what I have so far for the look of the Spriggan area: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4648729052_835e65aec9.jpg
18:45:29 <KiloByte> totally not what I've imagined, but why not?
18:46:04 <KiloByte> I'm not sure about weapon holding code, someone from the tiles folks will know more than me
18:46:39 <KiloByte> (I use any tiles as long as they can be represented by a vt100 sequence :p)
18:52:34 <Poor_Yurik> :D
18:52:37 <Poor_Yurik> I posted some Spriggan gameplay ideas to crawl.ref.discuss, just waiting for the email to get approved.
18:57:53 <Poor_Yurik> One idea is the melee flying unit in the pic (a spriggan mounted on a giant firefly creature).  It would have lower EV, but higher HP and movement speed, than a standard Spriggan.
18:58:29 <due> Sprigan on a firefly fuck yeah.
18:58:58 <Poor_Yurik> hahaha precisely
18:59:08 <due> Love the idea, personally.
18:59:32 <due> Weapon holding code can be easily tweaked.
19:00:39 <Poor_Yurik> ty due, awesome.
19:03:36 <eith> wow, mounted spriggans, that sounds awesome
19:04:15 <eith> it also looks awesome from the pic :D
19:08:23 <Poor_Yurik> ty eith!  I'll try and get some more art done soon.  bbiab.
19:08:53 <KiloByte> the concept is definitely cool...  I wonder if we should have some interaction, though.  It would be silly if both the mount and the rider always died together.
19:11:22 <Poor_Yurik> Yeah, definitely.  Like the firefly might die, and the Sprig might convert to being a defender (starting with a variable amount of damage both from the combat that dismounted him and the fall), and a seperate Firefly, possibly neutral, that would remain if just the rider died.
19:12:24 <Poor_Yurik> gotta go for a bit, afk.
19:17:54 <due> We could give the player a horse too!
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19:36:14 <KiloByte> hmm, if a pet kills Dowan, Duvessa doesn't go berserk.  Is that intentional?
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19:40:16 <due> KiloByte: No, I need to fix it.
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20:32:55 <Ashenzari> skill tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1630) by Denzi
20:33:23 <due> Skill tiles <3333.
20:34:06 <ogaz> the evo and invo pictures look backwards to me
20:34:09 <due> KiloByte: That's probably a side-effect of the changes I made for Dowan killing Duvessa, etc.
20:34:17 <due> ogaz: Yeah.
20:53:01 <Ashenzari> Miscasts shouldn't summon permanent foes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1631) by MrMisterMonkey
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21:59:39 <Textmode> morning all
22:29:41 <eith> night!
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22:36:29 <xale> anybody knows why there is this strange recursion in miscasts code?
23:02:59 <sorear> you'll need to be more specific
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23:06:03 <ortoslon> Keskitalo, Napkin: please update windows builds
23:06:18 <xale> sorear: it looks like it tries to avoid lethal miscasts sometimes and then runs the miscast code again.
23:06:39 <xale> sorear: and there are various things that protect it from recursing too much and so on
23:06:45 <xale> sorear: is that right?
23:10:27 <sorear> well, the chance is less than 100% that the miscast will be lethal
23:10:35 <sorear> so it's not going to recurse forever
23:11:44 <xale> I'm trying to understand why is it written that way
23:11:58 <xale> why does it need to recurse at all and have all these checks.
23:12:38 <sorear> because it was easier that way
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