00:07:39 -!- Enne has quit [Quit: zzz] 00:31:17 -!- henryci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:28 Does anybody in here build on a mac? 00:55:03 I'm pretty sure I've seen neunon do it 00:55:19 Enne (you missed her by 20 minutes) definitely 01:04:35 -!- honaker215 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:12 -!- Fangorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:14 -!- honaker215 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 01:51:09 -!- henryci has quit [Quit: henryci] 02:02:45 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:45 -!- Spads has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:26 -!- nrook has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42:00 Animate dead can teleport zombies through walls (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1543) by evilmike 02:47:23 Yes,it can. 03:01:02 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:14 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:16:45 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:53 -!- Epyon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:58 for DS balance, should we just lower all of their aptitudes by 1? 03:20:32 no 03:20:42 what's imbalanced with them despite buggy mutation picker/ 03:20:56 I've given up on Cryp71c 03:21:11 this weekend, I'm going to fix the mutation picker without him 03:21:21 after that, we can think about balance 03:21:32 I thought the mutations themselves were problematic, but then let's wait for that 03:21:53 it gives the mutations far too early 03:22:05 demonic guardian 3 is supposed to come around level 24 03:22:23 ah 03:40:58 due: would you be willing to do the double-timed portal vaults for 0.7, time permitting (and assuming you're happy with the idea)? 03:52:06 !tell Cryp71c Would you consider making the Unarmed Combat changes (bleeding etc.) in a branch? that will make things easier when it's time to decide whether they should make 0.7 03:52:07 by: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 03:57:33 -!- ahpla has quit [Quit: builders need the power turned off] 04:05:20 is demonspawn supposed to get speed? 04:05:48 what do you think of removing the robe of resistance, or making it an unrand +9 robe of Resistance {rF+ rC+}? 04:06:17 evil 04:06:22 felirx: I think it's probably intended 04:06:58 it's a valid concern that robe of resistance is easily the best piece of body armour for any EV character 04:07:04 yep 04:07:24 I never seem to find one though ;( 04:07:31 or a buckler of res 04:07:38 on the other hand, it's not that much better than say a robe of fire resistance that removing it would heavily upset balance 04:08:18 variability is a good thing 04:08:18 removing it might actually make the game easier for people who'd save their enchant armour scrolls otherwise 04:08:24 you don't usually *get* RoR 04:09:20 I'd say you get one in more than half of three rune games 04:09:55 it would be good if the robe of resistance had some drawback compared to other branded robes 04:10:09 drawback: rarer 04:10:19 that's not a drawback if you have one 04:11:24 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:38 robes of resistance being that common is a bug 04:11:45 they showed up on ~5% of winners in 0.3 04:12:13 maybe my numbers are off 04:12:48 !tell dpeg I wanted a comment on some of weapon perks additions, but I haven't had a chance to put them into wiki yet! I'll ping you once I do. 04:12:48 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 04:18:04 robe egos seem to be weighted {cold 1, fire 1, mr 2, neg 1, res 1, chance at archmagi 2} 04:18:31 having robes of resistance as common as those of cold or fire resistance does feel questionable 04:19:24 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:11 !tell Cryp71c I heartily second by's suggestion to make the unarmed changes in a branch. Feature creep alert! 04:20:11 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 04:20:19 by: Good call 04:21:27 @?? ice beast 04:21:27 ice beast (16I) | Speed: 10 (swim: 110%) | HD: 5 | Health: 15-40 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 512(cold:5-14) | Flags: amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, asphyx | Vul: 04fire | XP: 129. 04:21:30 @?? ugly thing 04:21:30 cyan ugly thing (10u) | Speed: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 8 | Health: 34-56 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 1111(elec:8-11) | Res: 06magic(32), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 345. 04:23:12 Yeah, Summon Ugly Things is probably quite a bit too much better than Ice Beast still.. 04:23:16 @?? very ugly thing 04:23:16 cyan very ugly thing (11u) | Speed: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 12 | Health: 36-96 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 1611(elec:12-17) | Res: 06magic(48), 10elec++ | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 982. 04:23:40 Giving them mutating glow would fix that in an interesting way. :] 04:24:02 you mean being around ugly things makes you glow? 04:24:31 that could be... an interesting side effect of their attacks (against you) 04:24:36 Yeah, if there are many around. I think that was the plan at some point. 04:24:36 http://www.pastebin.org/232965 04:27:01 syllogism: forgot to breath is loss of intelligence usually, isn't it? 04:27:09 yes 04:27:58 also he has no idea what drained all his dex 04:28:20 A quasit (D:8) - probably that 04:28:53 must be, 13 is a lot though 04:29:24 Maybe sickness from contamined chunks helped? DD don't recover stats normally. 04:29:42 oh true 04:30:19 rod of discovery on D:3, guy deserved to die 04:30:41 Rods of discovery should just go. :P 04:33:22 Keskitalo: remove them 04:34:48 03by * rc9c88cf36a2d 10/crawl-ref/source/player-stats.cc: Fix switched attribution of dex and int stat death. 04:43:03 @?? quasit 04:43:03 quasit (155) | Speed: 13 | HD: 3 | Health: 6-24 | AC/EV: 5/17 | Damage: 305(drain dexterity), 205(drain dexterity), 205(drain dexterity) | Flags: 05demonic | Res: 06magic(5), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison | XP: 44. 04:43:23 doesn't it only drain if it does damage 04:43:37 ??deep dwarf 04:43:37 deep dwarf[1/2]: Great apts including armour, dodging, stealth, necromancy, earth magic, and über AC-like damage shaving. They don't heal, at all -- except by an act of god, potions, wands, vampiric weapons or necromancy. Replacement for gnomes. As such, they come with innate magic mapping which makes the well-suited for speed runs. 04:43:41 ??deep dwarf[2] 04:43:41 deep dwarf[2/2]: Damage shaved = 1 + 1d[2 + 1d(1 + XL / 3) ]. Damage shaving affects just about everything, including poison and torment! 04:44:54 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: ixtli] 04:52:56 -!- baturinsky_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:11 -!- baturinsky has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:21 -!- baturinsky_ is now known as baturinsky 04:58:24 -!- Luca__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:41 -!- Luca__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:34 03by * rc866ff930c5a 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Make robes of resistance less common. 05:10:35 03doy * r24de58e3c786 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/branches/slime.des makeitem.cc): undo some testing weights 05:10:36 03by * rbb31e5c66708 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/clua/dungeon.lua: Make scroll of silence ultra-rare through Lua, too. 05:15:44 -!- ahpla has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:26 by: why would you do that? They are no better than robes of rF+ or rC+ except there's no interface annoyance 05:21:15 you're saying a robe of resistance is not better than a rob of fire resistance? 05:21:25 s/rob /robe / 05:22:47 except for the rare case of meeting both fire and cold based enemies at the same, they're the same 05:22:54 no 05:23:00 Xom effect crash: ASSERT(!did_msg) in 'spl-mis.cc' at line 411 failed. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1544) by rob 05:23:19 you wear rF+ all the time unless you see an ice dragon/etc coming, or you go to Cocytus 05:24:02 if you don't prefer the robe of resistance to the robe of fire resistance, what is your problem with the change? 05:24:40 I'm not set on the change, but your argument doesn't convince me at all 05:24:47 there is a huge part to ror in the armor enchantment department 05:25:15 if you want to use rof/roc, you would need to double the enchantment scrolls to reach the same efficiency 05:26:54 ahpla: finally reproduced your ` crash; my terminal's key repeat is too slow it seems 05:27:06 but copying and pasting `````````````` does it 05:29:01 the curve makes it trivial to get +4/+5 but damn hard for +8 05:29:01 so in practice you'll get -1 or -2 enchantment for two robes 05:30:54 KiloByte: what point of the game are you talking about? 05:35:07 since Orc is fudged to produce very few branded items, you usually get branded robes from Snake or mid-D 05:36:52 by: ah. i perhaps should've mentioned that i was doing it over ssh from a remote machine, maybe that makes a difference? 05:38:31 of course, it depends on what slots you use -- shield upgrades can soak the scrolls but it's rare to not have enough to get all other slots maxed and body armour at +5/+6 by the time you enter the Vaults 05:40:00 uhm... compare cell_see_cell() from los.cc and cell_see_cell() from losglobal.cc 05:42:22 they shouldn't have the same name 05:42:59 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:18 by: What were double-timed portal vaults again? 05:46:47 03by * r14daf98bb380 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Limit number of keys used to those supplied in key replay. 05:47:04 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1147 05:47:18 due: ^, incomplete patch 05:47:51 there's a longer portal vault timer when you enter the level (as now, but greater duration), and an extra short timer once you see the portal 05:49:29 Ah, that patch 05:49:31 I meant to read it;. 05:49:46 -!- Epyon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50:15 I think you did read it; it mostly needs a little love I think 05:50:21 Hm. 05:50:32 Why have two timers at all? 05:50:45 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:feedback:unannouncedportals 05:50:48 player_los won't work, also. 05:50:55 Well, it might. 05:51:02 I'm not sure if a portal is considered a significant object. 05:51:17 * due checks. 05:51:25 I tested it that far; I think the implementation is basically ok 05:51:38 but I got confused with all the messaging and stuff 05:51:48 Messaging is horrific 05:52:01 by: I didn't follow the LOS cache development closely -- the new code keeps a cache of all queries, right? 05:52:12 -!- Epyon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:21 I haven't followed any code reccently. 05:52:40 KiloByte: yes, I think that's correct 05:52:54 Okay, player_in_los only triggers on seen_notable_thing. 05:53:10 so there's no point to use code that recalculates everything on each call then 05:53:51 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:00 Yeah, it will trigger. 05:55:19 KiloByte: the plain cell_see_cell is used for placing features in or outside LOS of a given cell; I don't think the cache need be in a sane state there 05:55:37 also, I'm not sure the LOS cache currently covers the plain cell_see_cell opacity 05:55:53 * due hasn't pulled or updated in almost a week, eek. 05:56:18 it just handles normal LOS and no_trans 05:56:40 since those are the ones that would otherwise need to be recomputed per actor 05:57:43 los.c:cell_see_cell() appears to be an equivalent to losglobal.cc:cell_see_cell(...,LOS_DEFAULT) 05:58:57 ah no, it ignores clouds 05:59:33 or trees... which is bad if it's used by the dungeon builder 05:59:41 -!- Epyon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:59:46 it's used e.g. to place the Lugonu starting abyss portal definitely out of LOS of the player 05:59:59 true that it should probably consider trees 06:00:19 -!- eith_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:18 fullyopaque doesn't seem to be used anywhere it should really be fullyopaque 06:01:23 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:33 -!- Epyon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:56 so renaming it to "nontemporary" or something and including trees should be fine 06:02:30 what would it take to add a new level of opacity? 06:02:37 ie, you can see something, but you dono't know what it is? 06:03:10 -!- eith_ is now known as eith 06:03:43 (directed at rob, also) 06:05:57 actually, the los.cc version is used in just that once place (plus tests) 06:06:05 due: that is not really a new level of opacity in the sense it's currently used, but an extra level of visibility 06:06:43 you.see_cell etc. would have to return some triple-valued type (yes, partially, no) 06:06:45 and with no trees in the abyss, it doesn't matter if you consider them to be just a transparent wall 06:07:27 dungeon.cc:dgn_random_point_visible_from ? 06:07:49 due: I think the LOS algorithm could deal with it 06:07:55 by: ooh, that would be nice. hm. 06:08:00 0.8 :) 06:08:04 or later. 06:12:44 -!- Epyon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15:04 -!- Epyon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:56 any windows console players present? 06:25:10 hmm, maybe I should ask on ##crawl 06:25:38 i'm playing on xp 06:25:41 what's up? 06:25:55 I'm just wondering if use_fake_player_cursor works on windows 06:26:07 would like to make it default 06:26:13 no idea what it is or what it does 06:26:21 but if you tell me where it is i could try it out for you 06:26:28 it does 06:26:37 syllogism: oh, nice 06:26:45 Xiberia: don't worry then, thanks! 06:27:21 :) 06:44:50 03by * rb6a5306df849 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/options_guide.txt settings/init.txt source/initfile.cc): Default use_fake_cursor and use_fake_player_cursor to true. 06:46:23 use_fake_cursor true doesn't work 06:46:40 oh, it doesn't? the code seemed similar 06:46:47 it makes the cursor invisible 06:46:52 hrm 06:47:04 I think use_fake_cursor is implemented only for curses builds 06:47:17 A CURSE ON YOUR HOUSE, greensnark! 06:47:23 :P 06:48:20 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:32 03by * r7be714194c8c 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/options_guide.txt settings/init.txt source/initfile.cc): Revert "Default use_fake_cursor and use_fake_player_cursor to true." 06:52:34 03by * rf2bad8f4ed00 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/options_guide.txt settings/init.txt source/initfile.cc): Default use_fake_player_cursor to true. 06:52:59 syllogism: invisible? To the contrary, in curses you'll often have cursor invisible without it. 06:53:16 we are talking about console build 06:53:30 use_fake_cursor does nothing on Windows console build 06:53:30 -!- Luca__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:48 -!- Luca__ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:50 Well, it turns off the cursor and doesn't do anything else :) 06:54:03 it'd be nice to redo it similar to use_fake_player_cursor eventually 06:54:20 Yes, it should be easy enough 06:55:09 that would mean telling viewwindow where to draw the cursor, mostly, I think 06:57:17 A cursor upon yuor house. 07:22:14 03by * rf57d9699c63c 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Formatting, etc. 07:33:42 by: Thanks for fixing the blowgun checks. 07:35:41 no problem; I'm not sure it always does the right thing for reflections, but at least it should be less likely to crash now 07:54:33 KiloByte: do you happen to know if #1541 is fixed in master? 07:54:44 I can't seem to reproduce it 07:55:13 -!- Epyon__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:48 by: I looked before, no commit message mentions anything related 07:56:09 seems to be a duplicate of #1273, which was fixed by jpeg in d3e6232 07:56:58 hrm, that seems to be an invalid hash 07:57:14 -!- Epyon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:58:15 a02d9a807ea 08:00:26 that should probably go in the 0.6 branch 08:00:59 by: Can you cherry-pick it? I think doy's busy 08:02:08 I'll try, and just hope it works for 0.6 08:04:30 looks fine 08:05:25 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * rf4eec595e500 10/crawl-ref/source/ (delay.cc food.cc): Fix #1273: Post-butcher weapon swap not checking for hunger level etc. 08:08:19 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.6 * r018b7d1b4706 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Don't block non-full people in lich form from wielding vampiric weapons. 08:09:58 -!- Epyon__ is now known as Epyon 08:20:01 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:10 greensnark: thanks for balance wiki page! 08:21:15 !seen Keskitalo 08:21:16 I last saw Keskitalo at Fri May 14 11:31:19 2010 UTC (1h 49m 57s ago) saying Rock worm zombie summon <3 on ##crawl. 08:21:30 dpeg_: Not done yet, too much work today :) 08:22:14 ah, sorry about the premature praise :) 08:22:22 Nice tactic :P 08:22:55 greensnark: the wiki is full of new entries about "balance", so I thought that was the effect of your new page =) 08:22:59 dpeg_: dcss:feedback:balance which has seen activity today was actually created by you in february 08:23:12 dpeg_: Thanks for balance wiki page! 08:23:15 by: oops 08:23:20 That saves me a lot of work <3 08:23:24 it was full of stale information :) 08:23:25 * dpeg_ thanks himself for the wiki page. 08:23:38 by: yes, I didn't like too much what I read. 08:23:38 Ok, I'll add my correct hitlist tomorrow :) 08:23:43 greensnark: yay! 08:23:57 *current hitlist 08:24:31 dpeg_: do you not think that robes of resistance are a no-brainer compared to other robes? 08:24:52 dpeg: about dwarves being small, we can supply the platemails by just having a guaranteed vault with regular dwarves somewhere. No need to push deep dwarves in a haste, we can update that vault if they are implemented. 08:25:25 Nice, mephitic cloud is included on the page already 08:25:31 by: oh, of course they 08:25:39 by: I was talking about the unrandart 08:25:48 KiloByte: absolutely right 08:26:39 I always had the hope we could address imbalancies thematically, e.g. repair (remove?) orb of energy while redoing the miscies, repair MC while redoing spells, but that's not going to happen. 08:26:52 dpeg_: the unrand idea is mostly a joke; it could be +5 instead 08:27:38 I agree that RoR is a no-brainer 08:28:26 Can we unnerf archmagi a bit :P 08:28:32 definitely! 08:28:58 or perhaps add an intermediate one 08:29:59 Scratch that. Archmagi is useless, having two brands wouldn't have a purpose. 08:31:17 archmagi could get an extra resistance for every elemental skill at 27 08:32:00 though that would mostly boost it very late game 08:32:53 that would give a bonus for scumming 08:33:54 yes 08:34:07 Hehe 08:34:16 Someone has updated the wikipedia page on Crawl 08:34:25 To reference the promised Facebook integration 08:34:30 milestones for crashes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1545) by rob 08:35:04 due: Your april fool's joke is being taken quite seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linley%27s_Dungeon_Crawl 08:35:21 due: They're going to fly to Australia to ask for their Facebook integration :P 08:36:38 dpeg_: a rare non-technical posting from pat rankin: http://tinyurl.com/399h3pe AND it made sense from design point of view :) 08:40:04 bhaak: I think Slash'EM's quest-level-min of 10 is much better than NH's :P 08:40:27 For one thing, it allows players to die amusingly 08:40:42 Always give players the opportunity to kill themselves 08:41:01 greensnark: There is a Tiles-version for online play, thoguh. ;) 08:41:27 bhaak: yes, that's a good posting. 08:41:31 -!- henryci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:37 by: I'm for crash milestones. 08:42:11 -!- henryci has quit [Client Quit] 08:44:21 due: I'm in a formal garden! :) 08:44:46 dpeg_: How delightful! 08:44:48 due: WHAT ABOUT FACEBOOK INTEGRATION?! 08:44:54 greensnark: Fuck, no. 08:45:00 You don't want to mess with the Facebook crowd 08:45:10 They get aaaaangry if they're denied their integration :P 08:45:13 Or their differentiation 08:45:55 greensnark: are you on facebook? 08:46:02 No 08:46:13 Although I'm considered weird for not being on Facebook 08:46:51 greensnark: you can always point at your high age. 08:47:11 "For aged citizens like me, Facebook is not mandatory." 08:47:12 Well, a fair number of friends and colleagues are older than I am, and they use it :P 08:47:29 I'm on ffacebook; I don't use it. 08:47:32 greensnark: because they think they can get laid by young chicks that way, those fools. 08:47:34 I just registered so no-one stole my name. 08:47:49 I can't imagine sharing pictures of kids and vacations with a business associate you hardly know, for instance 08:48:14 I don't do Twitter either :P 08:48:17 * greensnark is clean. 08:48:26 google buzz??! :P 08:48:31 Negative :P 08:48:49 ##crawl-dev is my dope, haha :) 08:49:43 Twitter annoys me. 08:52:40 dpeg_: what's problematic with replacing y/n with enter/space? 08:55:04 -!- by has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:19 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:59 -!- Luca__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:18 -!- Luca__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:44 * due sleeps. 09:20:13 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:monster:spriggans 09:22:44 greensnark: slashem's level 10 is about nethack's level 11. I have lowered it to exp lvl 10 in unnethack, too, as one small step for a faster overall game. 09:26:38 bhaak: <3 09:27:41 sokoban is also only 3 levels instead of 4 09:31:08 03by * re655da7dd85c 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Permit monsters::move_to_pos() to player pos for toadstools. 09:32:35 03by * rcac5822e425f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Abort monster placement if setting position fails. 09:32:36 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:52 by, if you have any time today (or anyone else here in the channel does, for that matter) I'm unsure as to the mathematics / implementation of monster status's (poison, sickness, etc.), especially with regard to adding duration, "degree" and such. 09:34:52 Cryp71c: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:34:55 !messages 09:34:56 (1/2) by said (5h 42m 49s ago): Would you consider making the Unarmed Combat changes (bleeding etc.) in a branch? that will make things easier when it's time to decide whether they should make 0.7 09:35:04 !messages 09:35:04 (1/1) Keskitalo said (5h 14m 53s ago): I heartily second by's suggestion to make the unarmed changes in a branch. Feature creep alert! 09:35:22 by, certainly, I'll branch the code and make the changes there. 09:39:06 03by * r5d63c6e41fe7 10/crawl-ref/source/spells4.cc: Make LRD invalidate LOS. 09:43:11 Cryp71c: don't know that code well, and would rather not look at it right now 09:43:16 by, np 09:43:45 I don't suppose anyone else is intricately familiar with that code? The need to scale the duration to monster speed makes sense, but reliably adding a certain duration to a particular effect (such as 3+3d(3), I'm hazy on...as well the implementation of "degree" 09:44:00 greensnark, you had been talking to me about it yesterday, I don't suppose you're knowledgable over that entire thing? 09:44:35 Hmm? 09:44:45 Oh monster enchantment 09:44:48 You can ignore degree 09:44:59 It's a backward-compatibility shim 09:45:15 Unless you want different intensities of bleeding and stuff 09:45:18 greensnark, ok, so stick in 1 or 0? 09:45:21 1 09:46:07 greensnark, well...bleeding will have a "bleed level" which corresponds to the level of MUT_CLAWS and affects the amount of bleeding that will occur. 09:46:44 So I suppose I'll have to have degree. 09:47:23 The other thing I was curious about was calculating duration / adding duration. 09:48:13 Well, presumably you know what duration you want 09:48:25 Duration is expressed in game ticks 09:49:34 -!- Enne has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:31 BTW, does SF have any way to view all the different branches on the DCSS project? 09:51:57 The gitweb thing does I think 09:52:06 gitweb, eh? 09:52:26 Where do we have an instance of that running? CDO? 09:52:52 ohwait, nevermind. its running off SF 10:03:24 Enne: someone was in here earlier asking about mac compiling 10:03:31 Oh? 10:04:19 06:31:28 Does anybody in here build on a mac? 10:04:19 06:55:04 <+sorear> I'm pretty sure I've seen neunon do it 10:04:20 06:55:19 <+sorear> Enne (you missed her by 20 minutes) definitely 10:04:25 These people should ask their specific questions instead of saying "Anybody here who can answer the question that I will guard jealously until I'm sure there's nobody here right now who can answer it to ask?" 10:04:33 lol 10:04:42 Ha. 10:04:43 my question is a SECRET! Its my preciousssssssss 10:04:51 sorry... cyglin glitched when copying 10:04:57 cygwin* 10:05:09 oh wait 10:05:11 meh, 3 lines isn't a big deal for as little chat as this channel gets, methinks. 10:05:13 no, it doe make sense 10:05:27 sorear: damn you typing in a way that confuses me 10:05:34 I build on a mac, but I use makefiles. I can't build the Xcode project on 10.5, so it's probably out of date and missing files. 10:07:56 Clearly, the best way to respond to a secret question is for me to broadcast a response when nobody's around to hear it. 10:08:00 by, there, branched! 10:08:24 Enne, na, you have to think the answer, but not type it out. 10:08:34 Broadcast telepathically? 10:08:39 Then encrypt it and transmit through telepathically 10:08:40 lol, yeah. 10:08:42 :) 10:09:28 But be sure to encrypt it using a reasonable scheme...god knows how many people are running man-in-the-middle hacks for unencrypted telepathic communications. 10:09:35 Its crazy... 10:09:37 =D 10:10:56 03by * rba7af143f423 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Safer actor* handling for blowgun effects. 10:12:02 !tell sorear Re: "<+sorear> Enne (you missed her by 20 minutes) definitely". s/her/them/. :) 10:12:02 Enne: OK, I'll let sorear know. 10:13:06 greensnark, anyways back on the duration in game ticks thing. 10:20:47 03dolorous * rb762d238847d 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Comment fixes. 10:25:12 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:20 greensnark: to play devil's advocate.. why waste the time and effort writing out a long, possibly technical question, sanitising it for any potential misunderstandings, and eventually nervously pressing the enter key, only to sweat the next 20 minutes, caught in Warnock's Dilemma, because there's nobody around to answer the question? 10:31:11 you don't write long, technical questions. You write out synopses that give a good enough idea, and provide more details upon request, or, as it might be appropriate, through a pastebin. 10:32:00 In this case, it sounds like the problem could be described in a single sentence. 10:32:42 writing a synopsis is a good way to get misunderstood, because your synopsis inevitably misses out some important detail that makes everyone misunderstand you and think you're an idiot. 10:33:27 yeah, I wonder how people manage to communicate at all. 10:38:23 RjY: A synopsis would still be better than "Can I has question?" 10:40:37 back 10:41:08 by: I once suggested to make Enter=y, Space=n universally, but got no positive feedback at all. 10:43:53 I like the idea; can't think of any problems at the moment 10:43:58 what negative feedback did you get? 10:44:15 I think enter / space would work quite nicely. 10:44:21 I'd like the option to keep using y/n 10:44:37 sure that would remain an option 10:44:37 Enter in particular makes me reach farther than I prefer when playing 10:45:14 I already use space to cancel most y/n prompts with safe answers 10:45:22 by: it's one or two years ago 10:45:42 by: also, Esc should bail out of all prompts 10:46:07 Esc cancels all prompts with safe answers 10:46:18 Arguably more prompts should include safe answers :) 10:47:02 y as answer sucks for those people who play with vi-keys 10:47:14 bhaak: I use it, and it doesn't suck 10:47:23 I never noticed a lot of suckage, either 10:47:25 Because dangerous prompts require Y anyway 10:47:27 greensnark: never ever made typo? 10:47:40 bhaak: See above about dangerous prompts :) 10:47:51 most of the time when I don't autoexplore, I don't walk on diagonals 10:47:56 I've never typoed a Y I didn't mean to, to answer your question 10:47:58 okay, it sucks less in comparison with nethack, but is that a valid argument? 10:48:04 it is 10:48:25 bhaak: I think Y would be better for me than Enter ergonomically, which is a valid argument 10:48:50 What I like about Space/Enter is that you different keys than elsewhere, but which are still easy to hammer on. 10:49:22 I'm fine with Space/Enter, just let me keep Y/N as an alternative 10:49:26 Also, autoexplore on full already uses Enter, which I am very grateful for 10:49:30 greensnark: sure 10:49:39 Autoexplore uses Enter? 10:49:56 03by * r062de036ebb3 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Slight remove_ring cleanup. 10:50:06 03by * rb852d8e52cb5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc player-equip.cc): Move unequip jewellery message out of unequip effects. 10:50:10 03by * r91d7a78a1dce 10/crawl-ref/source/ (it_use3.cc item_use.cc main.cc player.h): Handle pig and bat-form consistently regarding equipment. 10:50:43 greensnark: if you're full, autoexplore asks "Should I ignore this item?" or similar. There, Enter=y. 10:50:45 We should also fix the thing where Windows keypad sends vi-keys to Crawl :) 10:50:50 dpeg_: Ah 10:51:03 a windows user should fix that however 10:52:16 dpeg_: Are you a numpad or vikeys user? :P 10:52:32 * greensnark curious. 10:52:59 It's like the war of the roses 10:53:03 Are you for Lancaster or York? :P 10:53:27 Anybody else in here read Stevenson's Black Arrow? :P 10:53:30 Nice book 10:53:39 greensnark: vi these days 10:53:45 dpeg_: One of us! 10:54:03 "We should just get rid of that pesky numpad support. It causes so many problems." 10:54:04 but I am a shabby vi keys user :) 10:54:08 Enne: <3 10:54:20 you know, english historical soap opera aren't interesting for 99.9% people outside of uk :) 10:55:08 bhaak: what about the Commonwealth? 10:55:44 bhaak: I read it when I was 13 or 14 and loved it :P 10:56:52 dpeg_: hmmm, I don't know. it was shortly before england started colonialism so probably they don't care either :-) 10:57:55 greensnark: belonging to a group only 0.1% of all humans belong to is cool. I know that from other interests ;-) 10:58:13 :P 10:58:40 back to keys: I also find that o (for autoexplore) is far from idea, especially as it's next to p for pray. 10:58:51 With my current character, I have autoexplore on Tab and Backspace. 10:59:03 Tab *and* Backspace? :P 10:59:07 I use tab as an alias for '5' 10:59:19 Is that like brake and accelerator? :P 10:59:46 I've always put autoexplore on Tab 10:59:52 Backspace is just weird :P 11:00:05 greensnark: I was experimenting... turns out I only use Tab now. 11:00:06 why is having 'p' next to it bad? 11:00:09 Backspace users sound like the type who use clear_messages=no and other such perversions 11:00:15 pfff :P 11:00:15 'o' seems rather convenient, to me 11:00:31 bhaak: Presumably because he was worshipping Nemelex and kept sacrificing his stash :P 11:00:34 bhaak: because there are double-edged prayer effects (Yredelemnul, Elyvilon) 11:00:48 Or that :P 11:00:52 ah, god-dependent prayer effects 11:01:40 me being a follower of Trog, I don't care :D 11:02:33