00:03:07 due, still there? 00:24:06 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:04 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 00:49:09 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:23 03by * r29a8bdb96269 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Make abyss fprops copying a bit more robust. 01:19:16 due: re markers, we were talking about #1147 01:20:04 due: double timers on portal vaults; I made a patch that works, but it's not really complete; perhaps you could wrap it up and apply it? 02:02:32 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:27:51 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:52 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:38 G'morning! 03:22:14 Napkin: Morning! 03:22:23 Or happy 5:30pm. 03:22:25 ^^ 03:22:32 :D 03:22:38 hey ixtli :) 03:22:43 Anyone a fan of Nujabes here? 03:22:52 (Guy that did the music for Samurai Champloo?) 03:24:13 There's a wonderful post on metafilter ( http://www.metafilter.com/90707/A-glimpse-of-Seba-Jun-aka-Nujabes-19742010 ) with a little tribute to him (he died recently.) Has links to his mixtapes, so I'm passing it around. 03:35:54 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:23 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:47:03 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:58 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:50 crawl-tiles 0.6 made it into debian/sid :D 05:18:23 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:24:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:59 Napkin: oooh 05:25:07 Awesome :D 05:25:09 'grats 05:25:42 very nice indeed :) 05:28:53 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:34:09 -!- stabwound has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:23 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:29 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:44 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56:20 -!- Madtrixr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:55 -!- Madtrixr has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:42 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:47:24 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:34 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:54:32 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:25 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:44 -!- by has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:45 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:58 Cloud/polymorph crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1265) by b0rsuk 07:23:25 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:52 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:03 !seen Keskitalo 07:31:03 I last saw Keskitalo at Sat Apr 3 21:18:41 2010 UTC (15h 12m 22s ago) saying Like due says so eloquently, rrarrgh. :P Okay, Im making no sense. Off to sleep, cheers! on ##crawl-dev. 07:31:48 !tell Keskitalo Before I announce this more broadly, I'd be interested in your comment on my take of https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1165 07:31:49 dpeg: OK, I'll let Keskitalo know. 07:56:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:18 03burnhamrobertp * r6f3981bbd493 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Correct_tough_skin_ac_contribution 07:57:20 03burnhamrobertp * rea16d18bd258 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Fix_spiny_when_no_armour 07:57:21 03burnhamrobertp * r955925de8029 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Fix_nightstalker_los_reduction 07:57:22 03burnhamrobertp * rf25151d44977 10/crawl-ref/source/enum.h: Remove_MUT_FEAST 07:57:23 03dolorous * r7e96d63db428 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Fix missing bracket. 07:57:24 03burnhamrobertp * r060c5662636b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files): Demonspawn_add_powered_by_death 07:57:26 03dolorous * r86a220b71f39 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Add minor cosmetic fix. 08:06:14 Watching monsters fall into traps should train Traps&doors (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1266) by b0rsuk 08:12:05 argh, breaking save compatibilty 08:16:50 -!- sorear has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:22 what was mut_feast 08:22:25 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:33 one of cryptic's multiple personalities' 08:22:55 his patch introduced it, but he claimed to know nothing of MUT_FEAST and that it had been there all along 08:22:56 -!- sorear has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:25 oic 08:29:48 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:30:55 i think i may have to finally play a stabby character, just have to scum for the nightstalker mutation 08:31:31 should be hilarious with the lantern 08:32:23 has cdo been updated since the nightstalker fix? Guessing no 08:32:41 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:54 -!- by has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:32:54 -!- by_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:05 syllogism: yes, would like to try that, too, possible without the lantern 08:33:18 doesn't that reset stealth to 0? 08:33:26 yeah, I wouldnt use lantern for stabbing 08:33:36 but LOS of 2 is hilarious on its own 08:39:17 how does "PbD" work 08:41:24 oh corpses 08:42:20 03dolorous * r01d7a0f57fef 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.h: Bump major save version. 08:45:26 nightstalkers probably consume significantly more food 08:46:50 whats a nightstalker? 08:47:00 demonspawn mutation that reduces LOS and gives stealth bonus 08:47:25 syllogism: do you think it increases explore time significantly? 08:47:26 (it probably takes quite a bit longer to autoexplore the levels) 08:47:35 by: maybe not 08:47:55 my feeling is not more than 10-20%, but don't know really 08:47:59 on open levels it might 08:48:03 yes 08:49:20 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:21 by_: hi 08:51:28 hi due 08:51:31 -!- by_ is now known as by 08:51:43 by: I saw the patch and it seemed like it looked fine 08:51:51 have you pestered darshan about it? 08:52:46 no 08:55:17 He may be a more comprehensive option 08:55:31 03dolorous * ra616d9cb7319 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Fix compilation. 08:55:38 I'm not really that worried about the functionality, just would like someone to finish it up 08:58:16 yeah 08:58:36 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:04 gee... it's really impossible to use an enchant amour scroll to get higher than +3 09:03:20 i think it worked once in the last 100 tries. 09:04:03 why do I keep trying it? *sigh* 09:04:07 I haven't tried recently 09:04:16 oh, hey due :) 09:04:18 how's it going? 09:04:36 Napkin: did you fix your rng? 09:04:57 cdo is using urandom - not sure that's a fix though ;> 09:05:10 got time to update cdo? :P 09:05:21 wasn't it already today? 09:05:22 sure 09:06:21 new major save version, syllogism :-P 09:06:26 syllogism: what's a reasonable XL for start-scumming nightstalker? 09:06:43 i'm going to go with 6 or 7 09:07:22 Why is sanctuary done as an fprop and not an area? 09:07:32 due: it hasn't been converted yet 09:07:35 ahhh 09:07:47 I noticed the whole random abyss sanctuary thing. 09:07:56 yeah, that code was horribly fragile 09:08:15 not quite sure why there were still problems 09:08:50 maybe cloud-related... 09:09:39 Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.7.0-a0-1008-ga616d9c (21.0) 09:09:41 actually maybe I'll just play until I get the first tier 2 mutation 09:11:18 getting Rot time spam 09:11:28 seems like a wizmode debugging thing 09:11:32 (getting this on cdo) 09:11:34 hmm? 09:11:53 rot time: 210 09:12:40 my grep is failing me 09:12:41 I closed the explodin dart wankery. 09:12:45 hooray for stuff going in circles. 09:12:49 due: great 09:12:59 uuuh.. keep me posted when that is gone - i'll update the windows binaries then 09:15:35 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:47 syllogism: do you have any idea where that might be coming from? is that the exact message? 09:15:55 hi guys, is the new Rot time: 210 etc. a bug, or a feature? 09:16:02 it's a bug and a feature 09:16:10 ah 09:17:00 Is it Rot or rot? 09:17:11 corpse.special = FRESHEST_CORPSE; // rot time 09:17:14 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:17:27 j->special -= random2(you.duration[DUR_POWERED_BY_DEATH]/2); 09:17:27 mprf( MSGCH_DIAGNOSTICS, "Rot time: %d", j->special ); 09:17:30 it's that mutation 09:17:42 damn, I didn't pull :) 09:18:13 :) 09:18:19 it says Rot 09:18:22 should be a dprf :) 09:18:44 I can't even pull at the minute, my connection is so shitty. 09:22:54 that's not the right place for that code anyway :( 09:24:13 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:39 03by * r748ef459bbbb 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Remove "Rot time:" message spam. 09:28:06 great, rob :) ready to be installed? 09:28:16 I guess 09:28:52 main.cc: In function ‘void _decrement_durations()’: 09:28:52 main.cc:2148: error: cannot convert ‘msg_channel_type’ to ‘const char*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘void dprf(const char*, ...)’ 09:28:55 make: *** [main.o] Error 1 09:29:07 could you have another look, please? 09:29:11 bah, fixed that but didn't commit properly 09:30:19 no sweat here - just beep me when you think it's ready :) 09:31:24 03by * r1c5e75ab700a 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Fix compilation. 09:31:50 Goodbye folks. 09:31:52 * due sleeps. 09:31:58 Catch y'all tomorrow sometime. 09:32:00 g'night due! o/ 09:32:05 :) 09:35:37 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:54 dpeg, morning 09:37:36 Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.7.0-a0-1010-g1c5e75a (21.0) 09:39:00 crash 09:39:10 syllogism, what from? 09:39:24 was just running away from a goblin on d1 09:40:24 oh, ok. *whew* made me worried it was DS-related. 09:40:31 it may well be 09:40:37 were you a DS? 09:40:49 yes 09:40:55 Noooo! Any mutations? 09:40:59 no, xl1 09:44:59 what is dprf do compared to mprf? 09:45:05 debug 09:45:07 only 09:45:22 (guessing) 09:46:17 yeah, perhaps. That would be highly useful since presently debug messages use lots of IFDEF interjection preprocessors 09:46:43 Cryp71c: huh? 09:47:12 by, what? 09:47:30 03dolorous * r42a24d6cf0ad 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Comment fixes. 09:47:59 "would be useful" sounds like it doesn't exist or isn't used 09:48:41 by, I meant if that were the actual functionality. since syllogism's was only a guess I wasn't sure. 09:48:53 but atm, I tend to see more "#ifdef DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS" and then a mprf than a dprf 09:51:40 03dolorous * r6edb273bc523 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt: Tweak wording. 09:51:53 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:36 03by * ra841f4f11388 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc mutation.cc mutation.h): Fix power by death rotting code being called almost always. 09:55:37 03by * r18cc6659f0eb 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Simplify corona duration decrement. 09:57:17 seems to be a crash related to dying... 10:00:48 03j-p-e-g * rf55fbeaa7e92 10/crawl-ref/source/ (invent.cc invent.h menu.cc menu.h): Implement dpeg's long-wished-for alternative multidrop interface. 10:01:35 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:53 syllogism: have you died without crash since that one? 10:05:58 yes 10:06:19 if that was because I died, the goblin must have gotten a double turn 10:06:28 since i was running away from it 10:06:44 according to the trace, it's hiscore entry related, from within ouch() 10:07:07 maybe a trap? 10:07:19 pretty sure it was an explored area 10:13:41 03dolorous * r34c0ef337f45 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Simplify. 10:20:02 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:53 not having much luck scumming the mutation :( 10:21:27 !lg syllogism start>20100403 s=ktyp 10:21:28 22 games for syllogism (start>20100403): 18x quitting, 4x mon 10:21:57 syllogism, which mut are you trying to scum? 10:22:25 nighstalker 10:22:26 t 10:24:54 -!- casmith789 has left ##crawl-dev 10:33:09 -!- ogaz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:51 syllogism, ah, are you bug testing, or just wanting it for play purposes? 10:35:48 03dolorous * r380247b9ed95 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Experimentally increase the damage holy word does to monsters. 10:44:06 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:31 You slip into the darkness of the dungeon. 10:49:35 grr 10:49:54 the hooves don't match so well 10:50:40 but I guess the other two levels might come at XL 25? 10:50:50 probably earlier 10:51:00 or do you meant he hooves 10:51:02 mean 10:51:03 by, the text displayed when you gain hooves? 10:51:20 cloven feet 10:51:31 Yeah, I was struggling to come up with good gain/lose text for that. 10:54:33 by, there seems to be code that allows for further-mutating of species-specific mutations. For example, a troll can get higher claws than they start with, and Naga can get the FAST mutation? 10:54:52 That seems odd to me. 10:54:59 not really 10:55:06 don't know the mutation code; I'd have thought trolls start with claws 3? 10:55:16 claws 2 iirc 10:55:46 nagas can get their poison spit upgraded to poison breath like that, i had that happen 10:55:49 was pretty awesome 10:56:02 my centaurs always end up with fast metab 3 at some point 10:56:24 i like how you can't lose the breath once you get it 10:56:57 oh you can't? 10:56:59 just started a troll to check what claw level they get 10:57:03 doesn't say in % 10:57:05 i thought i was just lucky with my curemuts 10:57:06 by, well, they don't even actually start with claws, they're special-cased to get the claws-description. 10:57:09 Xiberia, yeah, precisely. 10:57:56 they can get 3 levels of claws 10:58:04 (sharper than steel claws!) 10:58:26 so trolls can get claws 6? 10:58:27 syllogism, right, that's special cased only for trolls, but after u get 3 levels, % says claws 3, but trolls should already start with a claws mutation. 10:58:28 awesome 10:58:49 they just get +5 to unarmed damage, they dont actually have the mutation 10:58:55 lets all play TrTm and alter self ourselves to claws 6 10:59:35 syllogism, that's why. That seems misleading, since A says 'Claws' but % does not. 10:59:40 and they get special text when they get the mutation 10:59:46 Yeah, I saw that in mutation.cc 11:00:14 ogaz, they start with metab 2, so metab 3 isn't so far off :P 11:00:22 my troll of xom had claws 3 11:00:30 03dolorous * r16b48c228276 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc mutation.cc mutation.h player.cc): Consolidate the counting and rotting of PbD corpses into one function. 11:00:49 Cryp71c: I know, but it's always kind of frustrating when it happens 11:01:09 I think its more appropriate that they actually start with claws instead of being special cased. Minotaur aren't special cased to have extra horned damage, they actually start with Horns 2 11:04:32 03dolorous * r6b41623eafbd 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Simplify further. 11:04:39 Similarly, Naga shouldn't be special-cased to be slow, they should start with Slow. 11:05:13 there's no slow mutation 11:05:49 syllogism, ah, good call. Thought there was, since there's a MUT_FAST 11:06:13 There should be then, if this is a paradigm that gets shifted to. 11:07:36 Special casing some of the muts for some of the races that start with them but not special casing all muts for all races which start witht hem is a significant inconsistency. 11:08:08 -!- pointless_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:48 syllogism: I died :( 11:20:53 :( 11:29:42 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:01 yay 11:42:22 Descending the stairs took me to a vault that wasn't there. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1267) by fool 11:51:07 -!- MarvinPA-2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:54:39 -!- MarvinPA-2 is now known as MarvinPA 12:03:18 -!- MarvinPA-2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:07:54 -!- MarvinPA-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:36 Special cased mutations (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1268) by Cryptic 12:24:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:53 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:26 03Keskitalo * r6509102a7345 10/crawl-ref/source/notes.cc: Restore the hive bottom milestone. (greensnark) 12:37:41 Race and class description text in appropriate selection screens does not wrap. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1269) by Zicher 12:42:43 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:59 morning all 12:46:30 You slip further into the darkness 12:48:20 yay 12:50:11 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:54:18 syllogism, lol you just wanting it to be able to play w/ Nightstalker? 12:54:30 ? 12:55:11 hey by? would it be very tricky to make god gifted ammunition stack with ordinary ammunition of the same kind, once you manually remove the automated inscription? 12:55:35 Napkin: no idea; the god gift inscription code has occasionally scared me 12:55:43 :) 12:55:55 I think it might stack if you drop and pick it up 12:56:18 come on, TGWi - you think I didn't try that? ;) 12:56:37 Napkin: it should work; best file an issue? 12:56:42 those 124 +3 bolts just won't stack with the 1234 other +3 bolts ;) 12:56:56 try inscribing both with god gift :P 12:57:01 lol 12:57:33 well, i'm still playing svn pre-0.6 12:57:40 not sure it wasn't fixed by now 12:57:53 will file once i'm on a more recent version. thanks, rob :) 13:01:04 i.. uh.. have cyclops always been speed 7 13:01:30 yes! 13:01:30 they have for a while 13:01:30 the crawl community and its developers and volunteers are awesome! - did anyone mention that yet?! 13:01:41 <3 dungeon crawl stone soup! 13:02:37 apart from syllogism - he's the mean guy of course ;-P 13:08:08 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:37 03dolorous * r6e5ceb7794e2 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Simplify again. 13:12:00 FR: make iood earth/tm and flavour as a rolling boulder 13:23:15 Earth/Conj sounds more thematic. 13:23:27 Earth needs both Conj and Transmut paths I think. :) 13:23:32 ok, sure 13:23:37 but it would work! 13:24:07 Yeah, I can see that working. I'm not sure if iood needs to be turned into that, but the spell itself sounds fun. 13:24:30 Like, works best against dumb creatures, intelligent ones know to sidestep it, but the boulder rolls faster with more spell power. 13:24:41 (I'm thinking it wouldn't home.) 13:25:41 true 13:25:55 you could actually just make it pure earth 13:26:26 would finally give earth a bolt other than magma 13:26:32 is there a wiki page for spells? 13:27:22 the spell could roll past things it kills 13:27:30 roll over tiny creatures 13:27:43 losing damage and momentum depending on the hp of the crushed creature 13:27:53 then a stone giant picks it up and throws it at you :P 13:27:59 haha 13:28:42 TGWi: No page, but a namespace: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:spell:start 13:28:58 ogaz: "Rebound!" 13:29:23 Reminds me, a lot of the monster spellbooks should include Deflect Missiles. :P 13:29:50 ‎I think you should give orc wizards the actual minor magic books 13:30:27 then they wouldn't have haste 13:30:31 or invis 13:30:45 reflect missile, man 13:30:46 don't tell anyone 13:31:05 besides, they'd have meph 13:31:15 and spammals 13:31:21 on second thought, don't do that 13:31:21 and blink 13:31:25 I don't like this idea 13:34:18 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 13:35:41 03dolorous * r1fc68d831278 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Revert "Since orcish bows are allowed, also allow orcish longbows." 13:43:30 Cryp71c: 6b41623ea is broken; you might want to ask for that to be reverted 13:46:58 yup, that does look broken 13:54:03 what in the world could possibly be causing 1267 13:54:08 that's just really confusing 13:54:35 yes 13:55:55 i wonder how he spent xp between the shots. I suppose it could be stealth training 13:55:58 what could be happening is that the player is first placed in his old position down stairs, before being moved to the up stairs, but that doesn't really seem to fit 13:58:23 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:56 that's a pretty weird looking vault too; few have bushes 14:01:02 -!- by has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:01:14 why is og17 trying to revamp yred 14:01:46 is he? 14:02:01 presumably because he doesn't like the current yred 14:02:12 he mentioned that in the last comment in the sacrificing fr 14:02:51 couldn't find any vault that looks even remotely like that and has bushes 14:03:15 yred is one of the few actually halfway decent gods we have 14:04:51 syllogism: tgw_fedhas 14:05:01 thanks i could help bro 14:05:27 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:33 -!- kefka has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:08 oh nice :P 14:08:14 -!- kefka__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:21 this is quite possibly another issue with overflow altar vault placement 14:08:29 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:08:48 it's possible that the altar vault was placed on top of the staircase 14:09:05 glad I could be involved in another bug 14:12:03 TGWi: Oh, it's a nice feeling, isn't it. 14:13:00 I think that vault looks nicer in ascii 14:13:26 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:13 Hi by! 14:14:29 hi 14:14:39 ##crawl is full today 14:16:28 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:05 Hmh, upgrading from scale->chain->banded has worked nicely in this game. 14:17:06 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:23 Turned off all skills except Fighting and Armour. 14:17:25 -!- ogaz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:00 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:45 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:26:11 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:19 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:08 why is he trying to revamp yred AND makhleb 14:31:25 Argh, I feel bad for that tangent, total derailment. 14:31:56 did I miss something? 14:33:03 oh I see 14:34:51 Crrrasssh! 14:35:34 so i just got two exploding darts thrown at me, with ac2 14:35:37 one missed, one hit 14:35:39 neither did any damage 14:35:51 Do crashes leave a dump somewhere? The texts just whizzed me by and then it returned me to the DGL menu. 14:35:59 Keskitalo: yeah, in the morgue dir 14:36:05 Thanks. 14:38:23 I see a timestamp, can I do something with it? 14:38:48 I see it here: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/evktalo/ 14:39:55 ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(pos())) || is_tracer && affects_wall(grd(pos()))) in 'beam.cc' at line 1320 failed. 14:51:25 I think it might have been something that an orc wizard casted at me? 14:53:27 Unable to go empty-handed at weapon-wielding prompt (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1270) by dolorous 14:54:13 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:01 -!- by has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:05:04 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:48 Keskitalo: there's a similar bug report related to weapons of returning 15:06:23 !lg syllogism 15:06:23 2887. syllogism the Nimble (L11 DSEn), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by a troll on D:9 on 2010-04-04, with 10211 points after 24726 turns and 2:16:00. 15:06:27 !lg syllogism -tv 15:06:27 2887. syllogism, XL11 DSEn, T:24726 requested for FooTV. 15:07:54 syllogism: did the LOS reduction seem to make a big difference? 15:09:03 by: Ahhh, I am using a dagger of returning. 15:09:48 "Your blahblah and lorem ipsum prevent you from hitting the big kobold" should probably be in dark grey? 15:10:09 I guess so 15:10:18 I'll do that in a sec. 15:10:53 by: it was only -2 at that point but it was helpful 15:11:02 the stealth bonus was better 15:11:51 ??stealth[4] 15:11:51 stealth[4/4]: Expectation of available time (in your actions, so no penalty for naganess) is stealth / perc, where perc = 22 + HD ... +4 for smart, -4/-8/-12 for animal/insect/plant, +5 for sense invis, +50 for Glow, +10 for unnatural sleeping, -75 for invisible (wowza that's a big bonus!) 15:14:01 -!- MarvinPA-2 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:19 -!- MarvinPA-3 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:35 -!- MarvinPA-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:24:31 Arf, I seem unable to dig up (in 15 minutes) how to grey out a message. 15:24:36 Any quick pointers? 15:24:56 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:02 settings/messages.txt does the missing messages 15:25:24 -!- freeformschooler has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:30 Oooh, right. 15:31:12 03Keskitalo * r64089cc492d2 10/crawl-ref/settings/messages.txt: Gray out messages about shield and/or armour preventing hitting. 15:53:25 -!- by has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:53:26 -!- kefka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:35 -!- freeformschooler has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:11 -!- MarvinPA-2 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:02 -!- MarvinPA-3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:11:50 03j-p-e-g * r2bb50ff3aa16 10/crawl-ref/source/menu.cc: Change menu item cursor command from - to ' 16:13:16 -!- kefka has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:56 -!- MarvinPA-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:31 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:24 -!- kefka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23:26 -!- MarvinPA-2 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:34:30 -!- MarvinPA-2 is now known as MarvinPA 16:58:26 03dolorous * r4c3abc5c3b3b 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Add missing brackets. 16:58:27 03dolorous * r31c6d4a062e5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (itemprop.cc makeitem.cc): Since orc wizards exist in-game, allow orcish wizard hats. 17:05:49 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:51 03dolorous * r0f48a71b946f 10/crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc: Comment fix. 17:45:19 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:40 Flying books! They're a template monster (like a dancing weapon) but they have no attack at all. Instead, they have a custom spellbook containing (you guessed it) all the spells in the book they are "wielding". 17:50:38 Ice Form no longer gives a to-hit bonus? 17:51:03 you see here a flying levitating book 17:51:24 DrPraetor: It has been proposed before, I think 17:51:44 kilobyte, you there, Adam? 17:52:14 Has it? Well, let's do it then :). Also animated armour. 17:55:45 Cryp71c: going to hit the sack, but here 17:58:21 kilobyte, I was looking at the email you sent for pre-processor and major version tag, I was looking for a bit of clarification on its use. 17:58:46 I'm not very familiar with Major version bumps or whatnot, so perhaps I'm just missing general knowledge on the purpose of them. 17:59:03 Obviously changes to enum.h break save compatability 17:59:16 Cryp71c: they don't necessarily 17:59:36 Cryp71c: changing any enum that is stored in a save file *can* break save compatability 17:59:44 adding to the end of it is usually not a problem, but removing values is 17:59:52 what about re-ordering them? 18:00:06 definitely would break compatability. 18:00:08 changing the numerical values of enums breaks save compatibility 18:00:29 and stuff in itemprops as well. 18:00:58 Right, so the pre-processor that kilo emailed crd about, what purpose does it serve? 18:01:41 Well, I think I know what it does, let me type it up first. 18:02:46 Hi everyone 18:02:55 Hi 18:03:03 If the present version is 20, and we know we're removing MUT_FEAST, for example, then we can put that preprocessor directive on there and - when the major version bump happens (for some other reason, perhaps more commits or some major addition), the directive will no longer be true, so MUT_FEAST won't be put in, and can be removed at any point thereafter without breaking save compat....am I on the right track? 18:03:13 heya david 18:03:18 dpeg, hello. 18:03:50 dpeg: I killed the exploding darts discussion, it was starting to get out of hand. 18:04:29 due: yes, thanks for that. 18:08:10 Cryp71c: yes 18:08:26 pointless_, excellent, thanks. Just wanted to make sure my understanding was correct. 18:08:29 kilobyte, thanks for that. 18:09:10 * due actually feels like programming something 18:09:43 dpeg, wanted to direct your attention - when you have a chance - to some source-cleanup that changes the paradigm of trolls / naga slightly: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1268 18:10:06 Cryp71c: Saw it, will reply. (It's good, imo.) 18:10:37 dpeg, k, I'll go ahead and get the changes done then. 18:10:50 Thank you! 18:11:46 sigh, I re-organized the MUT_ list alphebetically, and I can't stick to that without breaking save-compat everytime I add a mutation...gah! 18:11:57 fail on me. 18:12:09 fail on you :) 18:12:30 dpeg: I'm going to start a holy monsters branch. 18:12:52 ohwell, at least the top part of it wil be sorted alphabetically. (sp?) 18:13:07 first debug compile in a while. 18:13:42 who was doing the forest? 18:14:21 TGWi: I meant git branch 18:14:30 I know 18:14:35 this is a tangent 18:14:37 and adam 18:14:44 I just got back from dinner, I have to request dropbears before I forget 18:16:22 hm, sqlite spam 18:17:04 contrib/install/include/sqlite3.h:3692:5: warning: "SQLITE_HAS_CODEC" is not defined 18:17:15 any ideas? 18:19:03 ignore it 18:19:12 we tried fixing it, it caused worse problems 18:19:37 dpeg, once I create the MUT_SLOW mtuation and give it to Naga, should they be allowed to get MUT_FAST? 18:19:55 that seems a basic contradiction to what defines a naga 18:20:17 nothing wrong with it and it's rare 18:20:29 I don't see anything wrong with nagas getting fast mutation. 18:20:32 Centaurs can get slow. 18:21:10 due, there's not a slow mutation, I'm about to create it. 18:21:34 I thought nagas had special slowness 18:21:47 like +40% delay or something 18:22:10 wouldn't that interact weirdly with the speed mutations? 18:22:33 could be wrong 18:22:33 be back in a bit, I'll check back on this discussion. 18:22:48 I thought Naga slow was only movement, but I don't have any basis for that, just what I *thought* 18:22:48 mut fast was removed, no? 18:22:57 I doubt it 18:23:05 I think it was in the wiki agenda at least 18:23:08 felirx, not yet, and it can't be removed. its what makes some races faster than others. 18:23:12 And that's how it should be coded 18:23:17 it could be removed from being a random mut though. 18:23:21 mut fast is awesome, it's one of the only positive mutations that's as powerful as the crappy ones are 18:23:29 k, be back in a bit. 18:23:39 the negative ones* 18:28:56 I just mastered slings :) 18:29:21 !whereis 18:29:22 bookofjude the Slingshot (L18 HaHu), a worshipper of Trog, is currently on Snake:3 after 39887 turns. 18:29:49 Cryp71c: fast has been removed from the DS lineup 18:30:02 fast needs to stay randomly available 18:30:12 slow and slow healing should be randomly available 18:30:34 there's consensus on making slow healing random again; I don't think it ever got committed though 18:30:39 sneak it into your next patch 18:39:20 03dolorous * r56b0e60d1fc4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): For consistency, rename GENPC_OGRE to GENPC_OGREISH. 18:39:22 03dolorous * rdf206bed948c 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Add spacing fix. 18:39:25 03dolorous * r08b9c7c3dd94 10/crawl-ref/source/ (fight.cc ghost.cc mutation.cc newgame.cc player.cc): Implement part of Mantis 1268. 18:43:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:45 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:04:26 @?? orc wizard 19:04:26 orc wizard (06o) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 34 | Sp: magic dart, slow, haste, blink / throw flame, confuse, invisibility, magic dart / throw frost, cantrip, haste, throw flame, magic dart, invisibility. 19:04:29 @?? orc 19:04:29 orc (04o) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1 | Health: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 5 | Res: 06magic(4) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2. 19:04:33 @?? orc priest 19:04:33 orc priest (03o) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Damage: 6 | Flags: evil | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 41 | Sp: pain, cantrip, smiting, minor healing. 19:12:29 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:16:43 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:00 Compiling DCSS with MSVC (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1271) by golgepapaz 19:35:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:14 ?? flaming 19:37:14 flaming[1/1]: Increases damage by (on average) 25% against non-fire-resistant monsters, or 50% on vulnerable monsters. Slicing/chopping flaming weapons will cauterize hydra head stumps, preventing them from regrowing. 19:38:45 aww, something like 20+ butterflies and my laptop ran out of steam 19:39:13 +the loot on orc2 floor 19:42:06 Oh, Johanna coded the counterpart to . for picking up/dropping. This is so beautiful. 19:42:32 I hope you like it :) 19:53:53 Perhaps I'll be the only user of the feature. 20:12:09 !lg * role=monk s=class ktyp=winning 20:12:10 76 games for * (role=monk ktyp=winning): 76x Monk 20:12:15 !lg * role=monk s=race ktyp=winning 20:12:17 76 games for * (role=monk ktyp=winning): 7x Troll, 7x Minotaur, 7x Spriggan, 6x Ghoul, 4x Demonspawn, 3x Demigod, 3x Kenku, 3x Merfolk, 3x Centaur, 3x Green Draconian, 3x Vampire, 3x Hill Orc, 3x Mottled Draconian, 2x Mountain Dwarf, 2x High Elf, 2x Grey Draconian, 2x Black Draconian, 1x Human, 1x Purple Draconian, 1x Sludge Elf, 1x Ogre, 1x Grey Elf, 1x Deep Dwarf, 1x White Draconian, 1x Halfling... 20:22:28 time to sleep 20:23:00 !lg * role=monk s=crace ktyp=winning 20:23:02 76 games for * (role=monk ktyp=winning): 12x Draconian, 7x Troll, 7x Spriggan, 7x Minotaur, 6x Ghoul, 4x Demonspawn, 3x Hill Orc, 3x Demigod, 3x Kenku, 3x Centaur, 3x Vampire, 3x Merfolk, 2x Mountain Dwarf, 2x High Elf, 1x Deep Elf, 1x Human, 1x Sludge Elf, 1x Ogre, 1x Deep Dwarf, 1x Grey Elf, 1x Naga, 1x Halfling, 1x Elf, 1x Kobold, 1x Mummy 20:27:04 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:39:48 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:15 neunon: yo 20:56:25 In file included from sqldbm.h:18, from database.h:24, from xom.cc:15: 20:56:26 contrib/install/include/sqlite3.h:3692:5: warning: "SQLITE_HAS_CODEC" is not defined 20:56:35 hi due. 20:56:57 Apparently it's a known issue though. 20:57:07 Is it an SQLite bug? 20:57:25 I don't know, sorear just said that somebody tried to fix it and broke it more. 20:57:40 Well, I can take a look in a bit. I'm out for a few minutes, getting dinner. :) 20:58:14 :) 20:59:32 Why are you telling neunon? 20:59:41 greensnark is the one who reverted it 21:00:11 Oh, dear, I didn't realise it was a closely guarded secret. 21:00:12 Sorry! 21:00:28 Also, seeing as neunon was updatingcontribs recently, I thought he might want to know. 21:01:29 -!- stabwound has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:47 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:04 why are the single-word races "Demigod" and "Demonspawn" abbreviated as DG and DS? 21:02:34 DG is particularly awkward because it's not a compound word 21:02:54 Because they're not single-word races. 21:03:52 "Demonspawn" is a fusion of "demon" and "spawn". 21:04:15 it's not written DemonSpawn 21:04:24 nor as Demon Spawn 21:04:30 and "demi" isn't a word 21:04:38 "Demi" isn't a word? 21:04:40 Ahahaha. 21:04:58 Demi is a prefix. 21:05:03 yes 21:05:07 Meaning half. 21:05:11 yep 21:05:27 What would you prefer? 21:05:31 DE? It's taken. 21:05:37 Dg and Ds 21:05:44 it is kind of inconsistent, since we have Mf already 21:05:52 that too, doy 21:05:54 Dg, sure. 21:06:04 But I dislike Ds. 21:06:19 it's kind of petty but hi I'm TGW 21:06:35 due: what about Ds do you dislike? 21:07:16 doy: "demonspawn" isn't a word in my dictionary. 21:07:31 ? 21:07:34 nor is kenku 21:07:43 unless you have a really cool dictionary 21:07:54 "demonspawn" is a fusion of "demon" and "spawn": "demon-spawn" -> "demonnspawn". 21:08:17 i'm not sure how demonspawn is different from merfolk 21:08:20 shrug 21:08:49 "merfolk" is in my dictionary :) 21:09:44 Anyway 21:09:47 I am going for a nap 21:21:02 Urgent feature request. The 21-26 Tm title ("Malleable") is *totally lame*. 21:21:24 we'll have to roll out 0.6.1 for that 21:21:44 my least favorite title is still spear-bearer 21:22:02 what is that, low pla? 21:22:45 yeah 21:22:51 but second-lowest 21:22:56 ??titles 21:22:56 titles[1/2]: Slightly outdated spoiler available at: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~salman/titles-0.4.html 21:31:31 I suggest "Imperial Alchemist" for the 2nd highest Tm title. 21:31:40 And what's wrong with spear-bearer? 21:32:22 ogaz feels intimidated by the phallic imagery 21:33:36 Shapeless Merfolk is also going to be lame. 21:33:53 How about "Imperial Alchemist" and "Lord of Change"? 21:33:55 ogaz doesn't like the idea that the second polearms title implies that you can't do anything more than carry a spear around 21:34:13 is hoplite taken? 21:34:16 yes 21:34:18 shields 21:34:18 doh 21:34:24 spear bearer would be good for the first pla title 21:34:33 what is the current first pla title? 21:34:37 Spear bearer *was* the first pla title 21:34:37 poker 21:34:45 Spear bearer is a classic military term, it's fine. 21:34:50 N78291 changed all the titles in 0.4 21:36:00 Peltast needs to be throwing, not shields. 21:37:04 why is crawl obsessed with greece 21:37:19 well we can't be obsessed with anything modern so 21:40:59 "blocker"? 21:41:00 come on 21:41:28 I was going to say "is there a traps title called disarmer?" but then I noticed there is 21:53:03 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 22:00:13 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:24:07 22:31 < DrPraetor> And what's wrong with spear-bearer? 22:24:28 this should switch to Bear-Spearer while you're in Lair 22:24:56 change it, no patch notes, see how long it takes someone to notice 22:26:23 -!- Fangorn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:28:07 -!- Fangorn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:07 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 22:28:23 Eronarn: I like. 22:29:21 -!- Fangorn has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:29 due: I am pretty sure the SQLITE_HAS_CODEC thing is fixed now. 22:34:35 03neunon * rf1e834499cc7 10/crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite: SQLite: upgrade to v3.6.23.1 and fix SQLITE_HAS_CODEC issue 22:43:38 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:56 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Over the ages, man has been certain of a great many things. some of these things were even true.] 22:57:39 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:01 elliptic says trunk has freezing cloud at level 6? 23:07:09 I'd confirm but sourceforge is dodgy 23:07:39 nevermind, wow, cool 23:10:19 !ls greensnark 23:10:24 !lastseen greensnark 23:10:31 !seen greensnark 23:10:31 I last saw greensnark at Thu Apr 1 04:05:33 2010 UTC (4d 4m 58s ago) quitting with message Quit: leaving. 23:19:13 "Orcs are good at all professions." 23:19:18 does that sound blatantly false to anyone else 23:21:14 better message for veh wizardry (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1272) by TGW 23:28:17 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:29:18 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 23:51:04 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:18 is there a way to make autoexplore stop on piles? 23:52:39 elliptic says no