00:02:10 -!- karmatic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:04:50 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:56 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:51 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: refart.] 00:39:46 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:15 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:55:56 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:02 -!- Ero has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:26 -!- Ero has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:38 -!- Spads has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:02:00 -!- ixtli has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:18 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:59 -!- murphy_slaw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:47 -!- Madtrixr has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 02:05:48 -!- murphy_slaw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:11 -!- murphy_slaw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:10 -!- erisdiscordia has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:16 i'm not really here 02:08:21 but sorear asked nicely 02:08:27 :D 02:09:23 there was recently a move to get the old team(s) proper mention in CREDITS 02:09:34 you've been evicted from the giant list at the bottom 02:09:35 was this not done? 02:09:51 it was done 02:09:54 hm, 'giant list' reminds me that i haven't written a play-testing post. 02:10:03 i'll just go hide under this rock instead. 02:10:05 erisdiscordia: hi! 02:10:19 i was happy just to be in the giant list 02:10:29 so was I 02:10:37 i was there on irc kind of incognito the day i was removed from the team in learndb 02:10:46 it was kind of painful, but life is hard sometimes :D 02:11:10 i still find it odd to consider myself part of the 'team', but i do enjoy it! 02:11:19 the soup-0.1 announce will live on forever in our hearts 02:11:26 'swhat i get for being so goddamn back-and-forth about involvement 02:11:38 'sjust so many good games out there :D 02:11:57 but there are good games, and then there's Fate, and crawl's Fate whether i like it or not 02:12:03 it was a good announcement, i was reading it earlier. 02:12:09 I was quite suprised to see one 'Erik Piper' on the adom.de fora a month ago 02:12:11 erisdiscordia: Anyway, congratulations :D I saw you died to Dowan. 02:12:21 she's nasty! 02:12:31 mummydude is nasty too 02:12:36 menkaure? 02:12:46 dowan is officially male 02:12:50 yeah... ironically, sigmund has gradually lost his touch 02:13:00 so those three are my new sigmund 02:13:02 due has funny ideas about gender and loves to inflict them on Crawl at any chance 02:13:14 :) 02:13:29 sorear: You're just too conservative. 02:13:30 due, what are your other names/aliases? 02:13:32 ;) 02:13:34 actually reminds me, there's a "his/her" mention in the manual somewhere that I wanted to change. 02:13:35 i don't remember you from before 02:13:39 erisdiscordia: bookofjude, Jude Brown, and I'm new. 02:13:51 'new' 02:13:54 erisdiscordia: my friend got me addicted a year or two ago. 02:13:54 hmm... new-ish i think 02:13:55 yeah 02:14:15 Ero: erisdiscordia is the founder of Stone Soup. Everyone here is new. 02:14:23 CO-founder 02:14:27 (I went through the new uniques for 0.6, and apparently I've coded 8 out of 12 new uniques.) 02:14:35 and it was the other guy who did the actual work 02:14:47 Yes, but you wrote the rgrm post 02:14:50 Which is what matters 02:14:57 btw i have a complete archive of every mailing list mail ever. could that be of any use to anyone? 02:15:11 does that include crawl-dev@ 02:15:19 not sure 02:15:30 erisdiscordia: sorear fantasises about these sorts of things. 02:15:42 if it's after the initial wave of mailing list creations, then no 02:15:55 crawl-dev@ is the original Crawl list 02:15:58 then yes 02:15:59 started by Linley 02:16:02 then no 02:16:03 :D 02:16:20 oooh, i would fantasize about that too 02:16:22 I don't really fantasize about these things, I just have them for some stupid reason 02:16:29 we should stage a raid... oh. 02:17:41 between my mail archives and IRC logs I have about two gigs of plain text sitting here, all of which I have personally received, much of it I've read 02:17:51 looking back I'm having trouble visualising a gig of ASCII 02:18:22 90% of what i've got has never passed past my jeepers peepers 02:18:30 too afraid there'll be something about me in there :D 02:18:46 sure, I don't share my logs willy-nilly either 02:18:57 but I love quoting them in arguments 02:18:57 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:30 I need to get some kind of FTS indexing thingie; fgrep over two gigs of logs takes annoyingly long 02:19:34 morning all 02:20:49 hi Textmode. 02:21:04 erisdiscordia: you can blame me for both dowan and duvessa, as well as menkaure :) 02:21:18 the screaming when smoeone suggested giving him torment... it was like music to my ears. >:) 02:21:43 hopefully in a while i'll more skilled in slaying them and they'll be more fun 02:22:08 they seem pretty shallow, but obviously menaure has some achilles' heels... still thinking about what the twins' are 02:22:47 @??menkaure 02:22:47 Menkaure (06M) | Speed: 6 | HD: 3 | Health: 24 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Damage: 25 | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 03poison | Vul: 04fire | XP: 121 | Sp: pain, haste, torment symbol. 02:22:51 slow and vulnerable to fire :) 02:22:59 dpeg has a very black and white view of why you stopped being a developer... I think it involved oklob plant colors 02:23:07 as for torment - torment on a d:5ish character is hardly worse than a puff of frost 02:23:23 erisdiscordia: yes, that was exactly my reply; pain is usually worse. 02:23:47 i'm more worried about the d:5ish, but again, achilles' heels 02:23:57 cursed be ye if all ya got is cold and poison tho 02:24:58 I've taken him out with sting before :) 02:24:59 i don't enjoy talking about why i stopped being a developer because it's all self-deprecating 02:25:26 i think i'll keep it to "i had to grow" 02:25:35 oklob colors it warn't! 02:26:55 dowan and duvessa and pretty balanced; they both get a buff on death, so you have to decide which one you want buffed; dowan's haste wears off pretty quickly, but then he haas some nasty spells; duvessa berserk is quite extreme, but if you can get away from her, or survive the initial onslaught, she'll be fatigued afterward. 02:27:38 personally I think dowan's berserk should be toned down just a little, though I'm not sure how 02:27:55 currently too large a percentage of folks go for dowan first 02:28:04 are their hps on par with real elven fighter and elven... mage? 02:28:07 s/dowan/duvessa/g 02:28:10 it seemed not but i wasn't sure 02:28:15 @?? Dowan 02:28:15 Dowan (05e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 46 | Sp: throw frost, corona, blink, throw flame, haste other, minor healing. 02:28:18 @?? deep elf mage 02:28:18 deep elf mage (06e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 4 | Health: 12-24 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 103 | Sp: b.venom, mystic blast, invisibility, confuse, slow, teleport self / magic dart, paralyse, haste, b.lightning, confuse, teleport self / paralyse, crystal spear, blink, b.fire, b.cold, minor healing / paralyse, throw flame, invisibility, teleport other, f 02:28:32 oh sure, involve FACTS in the discussion 02:28:44 -!- GrimmSweeper has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:48 how many hp in an hd? 02:28:51 I have a special attachment to @?? 02:28:55 I wrote the color coding 02:29:06 erisdiscordia: varies, which is why there's a separate Health field 02:29:17 @??deep elf fighter 02:29:17 deep elf fighter (04e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 6 | Health: 18-36 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Damage: 9 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(48) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 175 | Sp: magic dart, slow, haste, blink / throw flame, confuse, invisibility, magic dart / throw frost, cantrip, haste, throw flame, magic dart, invisibility. 02:29:18 @??duvessa 02:29:18 Duvessa (02e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 4 | Health: 35 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Damage: 10 | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 103. 02:29:20 uniques don't use HD for HP anyway; they all have fixed health 02:29:29 I'm pretty sure I capped them at the maximum for their "Respective" classes. 02:29:58 that's pretty early for a max-health 02:30:14 for max-health copies of monsters from e:2ish 02:30:24 but, the proof is in the pudding 02:30:36 what's the query for monsters' kill rates again? 02:30:42 deep elf fighters are popcorn on E:2 :/ 02:30:46 -!- GrimmSleeper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:30:45 -!- GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSleeper 02:30:49 !killsby dowan 02:30:48 65 games for * (ckiller=dowan): 4x Kyrris, 3x capslocke, 3x Eifeltrampel, 2x clouded, 2x sanka, 2x Ahrin, 2x ldlework, 2x minced, 2x Sticking, 2x Stathol, 2x lomarcan77, 2x ajhager, 1x LordSloth, 1x Fleurka, 1x icefox, 1x MarvinPA, 1x Lemuel, 1x phyphor, 1x poop, 1x Yeznik, 1x damage, 1x erisdiscordia, 1x N78291, 1x larasium, 1x Zicher, 1x kdanarch, 1x Donatan, 1x Grendel, 1x randart, 1x KiloByte,... 02:30:50 depends on your pc 02:31:05 there's also (new, my doing :D) 02:31:09 !killsby -i vampire 02:31:09 19 games for * (ikiller=vampire): 2x nflftw, 2x heteroy, 1x Ahrin, 1x polystyrus, 1x Maniacuz, 1x sorear, 1x impglein, 1x Dougiegee, 1x Temoid, 1x Shane, 1x Vandal, 1x oniyuri, 1x Eifeltrampel, 1x sphynx, 1x trucutru, 1x solitas, 1x Vaevictus 02:31:19 what's that? 02:31:24 !lg * ikiller=vampire 02:31:25 19. Dougiegee the Demolition Demonspawn (L11 DSCK), worshipper of Makhleb, mangled by an orange rat (summoned by a vampire) on D:13 on 2010-03-12, with 15838 points after 26076 turns and 1:55:40. 02:31:33 oh, new monster 02:31:47 no, not new monster... new henzell command? 02:31:52 not seeing it 02:32:06 new henzell feature 02:32:07 Summon tralis. 02:32:18 !lg * ikiller=pikel s=killer 02:32:18 165 games for * (ikiller=pikel): 96x a slave, 69x Pikel 02:32:23 it used to be that you would just get "killed by an orange rat" 02:32:32 and the accounting would be to orange rats 02:32:41 now, whoever summoned the rats also gets accounted 02:32:42 ahh 02:32:53 pre-ikiller, vampires had like 2 kills 02:33:08 henzell still can't make me a sandwich though 02:33:09 now they have 19, and ikiller hasn't even been in any released version yet 02:33:16 !coffee erisdiscordia 02:33:17 * Henzell hands erisdiscordia a pot of café au lait, brewed by the Serpent of Hell. 02:33:33 :) 02:33:52 !lg * ikiller~~:.*:.*: 02:33:59 No games for * (ikiller~~:.*:.*:). 02:34:00 !lg * kpath~~:.*:.*: 02:34:04 Beware: the contents of this cup are hell-fire hot. Asmodeus bears no responsibility for injuries caused by hot coffee. Plz do not sue. 02:34:04 !killsby menkaure 02:34:06 3. dpeque the Destroyer (L13 DrVM), worshipper of Cheibriados, killed by an exploding giant spore (created by an active ballistomycete (created by a giant spore (created by an active ballistomycete (created by a giant spore)))) on D:12 on 2010-02-06, with 46994 points after 48132 turns and 3:54:32. 02:34:06 88 games for * (ckiller=menkaure): 4x TGW, 3x moq, 3x quru, 3x KiloByte, 3x larasium, 3x Zicher, 2x Ahrin, 2x valrus, 2x zergloli, 2x Karagy, 2x Xiberia, 2x MarvinPA, 2x murphyslaw, 2x Thndr, 2x Baccano, 2x minced, 2x clouded, 2x Cryptic, 2x Eifeltrampel, 2x morik, 1x hash, 1x turnerjer, 1x damage, 1x PasTouche, 1x heteroy, 1x LordSloth, 1x Oddtwang, 1x Archibald, 1x ajhager, 1x nrook, 1x DrPraeto... 02:34:19 !lg * kpath~~:.*:.*: killer!~spore 02:34:27 3. dpeque the Destroyer (L13 DrVM), worshipper of Cheibriados, killed by an exploding giant spore (created by an active ballistomycete (created by a giant spore (created by an active ballistomycete (created by a giant spore)))) on D:12 on 2010-02-06, with 46994 points after 48132 turns and 3:54:32. 02:34:37 menkaure's doing better :D 02:34:40 ktyp!~spor, no? 02:34:41 !lg * kpath~~:.*:.*: kpath!~spore 02:34:42 No games for * (kpath~~:.*:.*: kpath!~spore). 02:34:45 love that giant spore <3 02:34:45 i guess the twins are a little deeper? 02:34:46 !lg * kpath~~:.*: kpath!~spore 02:34:49 1. polystyrus the Swashbuckler (L12 KoFi), worshipper of Trog, slain by a troll zombie (animated by a shadow imp (summoned by an orc sorcerer (led by an orc warlord))) on Orc:3 on 2010-01-08, with 19471 points after 17912 turns and 1:42:49. 02:34:54 erisdiscordia: yes 02:35:04 i just got unlucky then, suspected as much 02:35:10 erisdiscordia: ^^^ is the best ikiller use 02:35:31 Actually, they're both 4 as mminimum depth. 02:35:42 !lg * killer=Dowan|Duvessa s=place 02:35:53 sorear: Re: dowan, the haste could probably go. 02:36:24 197 games for * (killer=Dowan|Duvessa): 98x D:4, 51x D:5, 26x D:6, 9x D:7, 6x D:3, 5x D:8, 1x D:9, 1x Orc:1 02:36:29 due: I said it backwards - I think Duvessa needs to be weaker wrt Dowan 02:36:44 actually, this is the case both alive and dead 02:43:59 Ah, berserk isn't much of a comparison? 02:45:28 berserk increases offensive power, speed, and resiliiance 02:45:48 dowan_upgrade increases speed, increases offensive power (less), and doesn't affect resiliance 02:45:55 Hm. 02:46:19 berserk duvessa has 52 hp and hits 15+ and is often impractical to kill 02:46:37 and comes with armor 02:46:44 dowan_upgrade dowan has ice shard, but his offense is weakened by the lack of defense 02:46:45 So people still prefer to kill Duvessa first? 02:46:48 yes 02:47:40 I know, dowan_upgrade could give enormous, magically boosted pain resistance: triple HP 02:48:08 "endurance"? 02:48:10 he casts death's door 02:48:27 brilliant 02:48:36 and yeah I always kill duvessa first 02:49:08 I killed Dowan first and used a rat to keep Duvessa away unti lher berserk had run out. 02:49:23 due: shouldn't be too hard to implement 'fake' death door for monsters; add an ENCH_ which blocks all incoming damage, have it set hp to 1 wearing off, deny quaffing !heal while active 02:49:47 actually implementing the /spell/, and AI trappings, will be harder, but we don't need that 02:50:00 Hm. 02:50:01 ditto the player death door cancelling mechanism 02:50:08 Wand of healing? 02:50:15 yes 02:50:26 @??dowan 02:50:26 Dowan (05e) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 46 | Sp: throw frost, corona, blink, throw flame, haste other, minor healing. 02:50:35 then I might have to tweak him into more of a necromancer. 02:50:43 maybe he could have animate dead too, to raise duvessa back (which is really creepy) 02:51:02 st_: Too creepy, and causes flayva problems. 02:54:29 -!- Spads has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:11 is there any demand for more quotations for monster descriptions? 03:01:37 erisdiscordia: Let's not discuss how much time I spend digging up quotes for new uniques. 03:02:19 great, you accidentally answered my other (lazy) question (can individuals get quotes, or only species) 03:03:18 It took me... five hours to get Dowan and Duvessa's quotes? 03:03:38 -!- felirx has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:41 Though I knew as soon as I read that poem by Tagore, it was perfect. 03:05:09 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:41 Hey rob 03:06:44 -!- Ero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:12:41 hi 03:13:17 there hasn't been a single real 0.6-rc bug report, has there? 03:14:11 I hope that's for lack of bugs, and not for lack of non-cdo players noticing the release 03:16:39 due: death's door is half ench, he doesn't have to be a necromancer 03:16:57 his superhuman grief-boosted spellcasting allows him to cast L8 spells from a single school 03:17:05 and he already has super ench (Haste Other) 03:17:28 erisdiscordia: As a general rule, I dislike the quotes system 03:17:41 sorry to hear that 03:17:55 Options.show_quotes? 03:17:56 the system or quotes in general? 03:18:01 Here's how it works out: newbie examines monster, sees quote, decides that xm is of limited utility 03:18:09 due: a bit of both 03:18:17 Ah. 03:18:27 I think the tutorial addresses a bit of this. 03:18:30 newbie's eyes completely skip the top of the description? 03:18:55 erisdiscordia: the top of the description isn't much better usually 03:19:03 but that's not quotes' fault 03:19:15 mm 03:20:07 and really it's the design decision to describe, and not give ??foo-like stats 03:20:22 maybe what you really dislike is that decision? 03:20:25 (i like it) 03:20:46 I don't like stats either 03:21:03 the current flavor and quotes are written from the perspective of a naturalist 03:21:18 they need to be gutted and replaced with ones written by a warrior 03:21:40 I like the sheep description 03:21:49 the descriptions spend too much time discussing beak shape and too little time on strengths and weaknesses 03:22:02 i like beak shape 03:22:12 i like naturalists 03:22:32 hard to say what dominates 03:22:38 experience is the best guide anyway 03:23:03 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:12 I haven't read sheep 03:23:20 did Darshan implement burning sheep? 03:23:44 A stupid woolly animal, with murder in its eyes. It looks surprised. 03:24:51 :) 03:25:16 I'm not sure it's the 4beta quote I remember, though 03:25:25 s/quote/description/ 03:27:50 you know actually sorear, adventurer (warrior no, but adventurer yes) perspective in the description + a quote would let us have our cake and eat it too 03:28:04 gamists would be satisfied, descriptivists would be satisfied 03:28:20 but who will bell the cat? 03:28:40 it's hard enough just getting the quotes, would you write adventurer descriptions? 03:33:10 perhaps incrementally 03:33:26 due: found the robe of Clouds 03:33:41 by: I think "You're standing in the rain' needs to go in runrest. 03:33:48 by: Otherwise you can't 5 while wearing it. 03:34:21 that sounds reasonable 03:43:10 -!- by has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:02:36 Umm.. 04:03:18 Napkin: Is there a file limit per page in the wiki? It seems I'm not able to include all our screenshots for the usability project report.. 04:03:58 is there, Keskitalo? :) 04:03:58 I don't get any error messages.. I can upload the files just fine (it seems), but they don't end up in the "Media Files" select screen, and it looks like the page cannot link to them either. 04:04:29 letters doesn't appear in monster list (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1050) by galehar 04:05:28 I'm not finding such a setting in the Admin panel.. 04:05:33 "Number of media references to show" is set to 0 04:05:39 Weird! 04:05:53 I don't see any reason either :-O 04:06:49 I'll try to see, quite possibly an user error.. :) 04:06:57 I bet not :) 04:09:24 Ah, it looks like the multi-file upload isn't working. I used single-file upload for the first few files. When I use the multi-file upload, it selects them fine and even claims to upload them succesfully, but when the dialog closes, they're not added to the list, nor are they linked to from the page. 04:12:59 ah, ok 04:13:11 that's inconvenient.. 04:13:34 do you have a lot? I could search for an alternative upload plugin if that would help, Eino 04:15:53 25, but I already uploaded them all one-by-one, so no worries. :) 04:34:22 -!- Amonchakad has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:46 Hello. Did anyone else notice a considerable decrease in performance for the Tiles rc1? 04:35:03 Decrease from the previous trunk versions, that is. 04:36:10 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:16 So, it's just me? 04:56:54 hmm? 04:59:39 btw, does anyone here use mlist targeting? it seems to be badly broken 05:04:57 broken how? I use it for conjurer types but haven't played one in 0.6 yet 05:05:55 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:40 mlist? 05:10:43 monster-list 05:10:44 ? 05:11:03 yes, the monster pane at the bottom right 05:11:12 indices seem out of sync 05:11:19 how do you even use it? 05:11:26 also, #1050 05:11:30 ^L toggles it in targeting mode 05:11:30 oh, i see 05:11:41 ...maybe. 05:11:42 the redraws are broken 05:11:58 but I'm mostly asking because I don't even know how it's supposed to work 05:12:23 I assume it shouldn't group same monsters when in targeting mode? 05:12:39 also, how did it use to behave when there were too many monsters in view? 05:13:22 it should use whatever grouping mlist uses 05:13:33 -!- Amonchakad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:13:38 pressing the letter should cycle through the monsters on the same line 05:13:43 ah 05:15:05 heh, there's output.cc:_mlist_index_to_letter and directn.cc:_mlist_letter_to_index, and they're out of sync (no surprise) 05:21:07 do they do the same thing? 05:21:16 no, they should be inverse 05:21:35 oh, I misread. 05:22:19 http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:usability_project:report 05:24:48 -!- GrimmSweeper has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:02 -!- GrimmSleeper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:03 -!- GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSleeper 05:33:47 jarpiain: one more question: should the monster list fill up from the bottom, and the bottom slot always get the same letter? 05:34:15 i.e., if the monster list has four entries, and there are just two monsters, should they be at the bottom with 'd', 'f'? 05:34:25 or should they get 'a', 'c'? 05:38:24 I mostly use it to macro 'zaa' to cast main attack spell at most dangerous target 05:38:41 ok, so first monster should stay at 'a' 05:42:13 Hmm, maybe I should write a blog post about the UP report (and project). 05:42:15 it seems monster list filling from the bottom was introduced in 0.6? 05:42:16 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:12 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:12 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: DCSS development channel! | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Ashenzari source: http://github.com/doy/crawlbot 05:49:01 heh, neunon's #define cleanup change mlist justification, which exhibited a further bug with the indexing 05:51:37 Which define cleanup did I eff up on? 05:52:28 BOTTOM_JUSTIFY_MONSTER_LIST was 0, and now #define'd 05:52:55 I'll undefine it, don't worry 05:53:41 don't think there were other case like that 05:54:07 i'm intrigued but confused by all this, guys 05:54:23 i tried ctrl-l while targeting and nothing happened; what am i doing wrong? 05:55:32 move the cursor a bit, or try it in 0.5 05:56:10 a - r _ rat 05:56:15 cursor unmoved i get: 05:56:16 see that a 05:56:30 Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): q - 123 stones (quivered) 05:56:39 Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - rat 05:56:39 Aim: A rat 05:56:52 no a's anywhere 05:56:57 monster list 05:57:05 ah, yes 05:57:15 ah, now i see 05:57:46 what was the ctrl-l about? 05:58:02 probably enables it 05:58:05 I find the monster list updates to be a little jarring; wouldn't it be better to always leave space for the indices? 05:58:22 (as long as mlist targeting is enabled) 06:08:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:09:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:44 03by * r934a388c5040 10/crawl-ref/source/ (directn.cc directn.h output.cc): Fix monster list indexing bug. 06:13:46 03by * re93d0ce7fc68 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Undefine BOTTOM_JUSTIFY_MONSTER_LIST. 06:13:47 03by * rdd1455d4239b 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Make mlist targeting work with bottom justified mlist. 06:13:48 03by * ra561b8d88810 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Fix monster list not updating when toggling targeting. 06:14:16 doy: these should probably go in 0.6 06:14:55 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:39 Keskitalo: Please do, I'm going to try and do a play-testing post tomrorow. 07:05:40 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:23 -!- by has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:19:26 -!- by_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:24 ipad preorder. 07:23:22 bllurrrgghh, cant order them in crappy country =p 07:23:27 +my 07:24:20 suppose i can just get one on ebay or something, ill probly just wait though 07:24:29 it's just a tablet 07:24:45 buts its a nice tablet and its pretty cheap 07:25:13 besides, my laptop is huge and my iphone is too small, i need something in the middle anyways 07:25:19 "it's a tablet" 07:25:25 :) 07:25:28 goodnight! 07:25:32 night 07:33:13 Preordered. 07:33:25 night! 07:33:33 eith: That's some of my reasoning, too. 07:33:42 Laptop, while nice, is still too big to take to classes and meetings for notes. 07:41:55 iPad, driven by magic 07:41:55 :D 07:42:08 eeepc is more than small enough to carry around anywhere 07:42:52 ixtli, how about like an x200 or something? 07:42:55 are they too large? 07:43:03 ben nanonote? I understadn its comparable in size to the dingoo. 07:43:44 cbus: Yeah, I was thinking about that but i'm spoiled by apples ecosystem. 07:44:12 cbus: Also, the touch interface cant possible be anywhere near the quality of the iphone. 07:44:41 yeah, probably not 07:44:58 I really dislike apple, but the iPhone touchscreen is something even I cannot say is bad :D 07:45:07 Why do you dislike them? 07:45:17 yea im the same, i dont like apple as a company, but they make great stuff =p 07:45:19 all the hype around them and everything 07:45:21 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:26 the design 07:45:30 (I don't care about them one way or the other, I just love their user experience and hw support.) 07:45:54 and ofcourse 07:45:55 their pricing :) 07:46:04 Hahah. Yeah I get that 07:46:07 800USD total. 07:46:10 I have student loans. 07:53:39 I hate student loans :D 07:54:00 I don't like apple's design and their "users are idiots, they can't even possibly need to know at least *slightly* technical details" attitude 07:54:34 Eh, come on. 07:54:43 although the latter isn't as bad, since in most cases, finding said details out is not even a challenge. 07:54:44 OS X is built on OpenBSD . 07:54:48 ixtli, lies. 07:54:50 I like apple when it comes to hardware like ipod 07:54:54 but to buy a mac... no thanks 07:54:56 uh 07:55:38 ixtli, it's built on mach, and the userland is composed of a lot of different sources 07:55:48 i particularly don't get the ipod actually 07:55:53 Indeed. 07:55:56 i get the iphone and the mac more 07:55:59 erisdiscordia: You know I don't use one. 07:56:04 Surprisingly. 07:56:09 i don't know actually 07:56:11 I use the ipod feature of my phone sparingly. 07:56:12 but i do now :) 07:56:14 :D 07:56:35 <3 my ipod shuffle with its aluminum green cover 07:56:36 the mac mini is fun to disassemble, at least for the first time 07:56:38 not that it has a screen 07:56:44 seems to me their UI skillz benefit more complex stuff more 07:56:49 ixtli, what I've heard is that it's built on Free not Open BSD 07:56:52 there's just not that much to *do* on a music player 07:56:56 I thought it was open 07:56:57 cbus, it has parts of both 07:56:58 xD 07:57:01 Maybe it's free. 07:57:04 :D 07:57:23 cbus, openssh and a bunch of other things come from openbsd, of course. Some other parts from freebsd. 07:57:31 well yeah 07:57:34 but they also ship a lot of GNU software 07:57:55 DARRRWIN, the Pirate BSD. 07:57:57 and a lot of software that's not backed by a large bulk of mindless zombie developers, like zsh 07:58:08 (mach is the gnu kernel, after all) 07:58:11 zsh is nice 07:58:19 no clue about the developers 07:58:22 but I like zsh atleast :) 07:58:29 zsh is actually yuck, but it seems to be the best in interactive use from all the alternatives 07:58:46 sounds like you know more about that than me 07:58:53 so I'll trust your word :) 07:58:53 if i'm killed by miasma or a dart of reaping, do i get informed of rising from the dead upon death? 07:59:00 if not, it might be worth adding 07:59:18 though, to get killed by a dart of reaping, you'd have to be trying pretty hard 07:59:20 well, look at it like this: Bash is an overgrown korn shell. Ugh. But Zsh is an overgrown korn shell, now with csh elements too. 08:19:48 -!- felirx_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:49 -!- felirx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:20:50 -!- felirx_ is now known as felirx 08:29:24 ;o 08:29:34 did someone need me, or was my name highlighted in a string return? 08:29:51