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00:12:38 <ixtli> oo oo oo
00:12:38 <ixtli> http://mainichi.jp/select/wadai/news/20100228k0000e040011000c.html
00:12:44 <ixtli> doesn't matter that it's in japanese
00:12:50 <ixtli> the red line is SRS tsunami warning
00:12:58 <ixtli> greater than 3 meters
00:14:36 <Eronarn> ixtli: autotranslate = <3
00:14:41 <ixtli> :D
00:14:45 <ixtli> doesn't say anything
00:14:56 <ixtli> except that there was a big earthquake yesterday at 3.34 and that
00:15:09 <Eronarn> yeah, i primarily use it for pixiv really
00:15:22 <ixtli> and that they changed it
00:15:27 <ixtli> the warning level
00:15:28 <ixtli> yeah
00:15:30 <ixtli> :D
00:15:36 <ixtli> pixiv is cool
00:15:52 <ixtli> i saw a pixiv book in the shinjuku bookoff the other day.  it was really pretty :)
00:16:02 <ixtli> er, actually it was probably Kinokuniya
00:16:34 <Eronarn> i'd get some artbooks some time
00:16:39 <Eronarn> except i don't have a coffee table
00:16:47 <Eronarn> nor am i likely to get one as i don't drink coffee
00:17:18 <ixtli> hahaha
00:17:20 <ixtli> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mkamisaki-live
00:17:22 <ixtli> live stream of it
00:17:31 <ixtli> thats in iwateken (岩手県)
00:17:37 <ixtli> which is the area in the red on the upper link
00:26:37 <ixtli> eww only 90cm
00:26:44 <ixtli> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If88d-t0x4w&feature=player_embedded <--  that happened in haiti
00:26:49 <ixtli> some hours ago, apparently
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00:30:15 <paxed> greensnark: oh, congrats on the dgl :P
00:31:35 <greensnark> Yeah, Mac chroots are screwy :P
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00:34:43 <CIA-40> 03neunon * r0521f7cca3b1 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): LuaJIT 2.x: added as submodule (for testing purposes)
00:35:34 <ixtli> oooo
00:35:36 <ixtli> Awesome.
00:36:33 <greensnark> Does LuaJIT do x86_64 yet
00:36:45 <ixtli> did it not?
00:36:52 <ixtli> I hear its /stupid/ fast.
00:36:57 <greensnark> Last I heard it was in progress
00:37:02 <greensnark> x86-only afaik
00:37:13 <ixtli> Ah.  Interesting.  I haven't had time to play with it yet :(
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00:39:57 <ixtli> Woah.  Lots of trains are stopped, apparently.
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00:50:23 <mr0t> this is abou\t th2 20th backed up train along teh trail, serves me right anywaythough
00:51:09 <ixtli> oO
00:51:19 <mr0t> i just gotta get who laJIT do xh86_64 and ill be done w \mission
00:51:38 <mr0t> wow
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00:51:58 <mr0t> my leg actually looks worse than it used to. impressive
00:52:55 <mr0t> if i had more than a single needle that would put a hyper-over-dose of K+  in my bloodstream.. a bit selfish when there are lives to be saved though
00:53:32 <mr0t> goddamn bromine get aassigned to someone elses side
00:54:07 <mr0t> serv arrggh cmon muthafucka
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02:08:24 <Napkin> greensnark \o/
02:08:30 <Napkin> Moin guys
02:09:45 <Gretell> greensnark the Conjurer (L18 MuPr), a worshipper of Yredelemnul, saved on Vault:3 on 2010-02-28 after 93642 turns.
02:09:46 <purge> @whereis greensnark
02:10:14 <Keskitalo> Morning!
02:10:35 <Keskitalo> Napkin: Welcome page <3
02:12:40 <Napkin> Moin Eino :)
02:12:54 <ixtli> mornin Napkin
02:13:03 <Napkin> Need to shorten the date display - but I like it too :D
02:13:05 <Keskitalo> Hi ixtli!
02:13:06 <Napkin> hey ixtli!
02:13:17 <bhaak> what is a "fund"? -> "Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is a fund and free roguelike game of exploration" ;-)
02:13:19 <ixtli> Oh hey Keskitalo :D
02:13:27 <ixtli> haha
02:13:36 <Napkin> bah, bhaak!
02:13:42 <ixtli> Quick.  Lets start a DCSS fund
02:13:54 <Keskitalo> Stop putting fun in there!! :D
02:14:20 <Keskitalo> ARRR I keep taking it away, and it keeps reappearing!
02:14:30 <bhaak> I also keep looking at "mystifyingly" and can't believe that it's correct :)
02:14:38 <Keskitalo> This is a SERIOUS GAME. ;)
02:15:16 <Napkin> lol, I added it back in because of greensnark ;)
02:15:35 <Napkin> okok, removed :-P
02:16:28 <Keskitalo> Darshan, Darshan. If you try to sell a game as "fun", ... it's just poor advertising. "a free roguelike game of exploration and treasure-hunting in dungeons filled with dangerous and unfriendly monsters in a quest for the mystifyingly fabulous Orb of Zot" is much nicer without any fun!
02:16:38 <ortoslon> agree
02:17:28 <Napkin> erm.. he didn't know I added it back ;)
02:17:43 <Keskitalo> Yes, I'm just berating him for ever putting it in there. :)
02:18:00 <Napkin> I just remembered the conversation last time in here and put it back before he could see someone stole it :-P
02:18:07 <Keskitalo> Could even lose the "roguelike".. it tells a lot to some people, and nothing to others. But, those who know what "roguelike" means, should already know about Crawl. =)
02:18:11 <Keskitalo> Napkin: Hehe :)
02:18:34 <ortoslon> no
02:18:54 <ortoslon> i met many people who played a lot of nethack and adom but know nothing about dcss and doomrl
02:19:07 <ortoslon> on #tigirc (indiegames channel)
02:19:44 <Napkin> I am having trouble with the table in Downloads - anyone else not seeing the header being centered?
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02:20:01 <bhaak> but those people possibly don't know what a roguelike is, either
02:20:10 <ortoslon> they know what a roguelike is
02:20:13 <Keskitalo> Okay, wishful thinking on my part. Come to think of it, the playtesters we had who had played RLs (Nethack and ADOM mostly) hadn't heard of Crawl either.
02:20:14 <bhaak> and dcss is certainly no adomlike or nethacklike :-)
02:20:50 <Keskitalo> I haven't really played Rogue, but I have the impression Crawl is more like rogue than NH/ADOM are?
02:20:54 <ortoslon> yes
02:20:57 <ortoslon> i played rogue
02:21:01 <Zaba> I did, too
02:21:11 <Zaba> never got past level 8, but nevertheless
02:21:12 * ixtli never has
02:21:14 <ixtli> heh
02:22:08 <Zaba> its interface is even more clumsy than nethack's, but the good news is, there aren't as many things to use it on
02:22:30 <bhaak> a little bit rogue on the palm and lately on the iphone, but nothing serious
02:22:35 <ortoslon> yeah, switching between melee and ranged was a nightmare
02:22:38 <greensnark> Keskitalo: Hey, I didn't ask Napkin to put it back :P
02:22:44 <Keskitalo> greensnark: Good! :)
02:22:48 <Zaba> ortoslon, which version did you play?
02:22:52 <bhaak> the different graphical hack and omega versions got me started
02:22:55 * Napkin whistles innocently *
02:22:56 <greensnark> I think Napkin wanted to make it clear that Crawl != NetHack :)
02:22:57 <Keskitalo> Are there rogue versions with fluid interfaces?
02:23:11 <ortoslon> some ms-dos clone with a smiley face instead of @
02:23:30 <Zaba> I played the one netbsd comes with
02:23:46 <Zaba> it also comes with larn, which is a roguelike, too
02:23:50 <Keskitalo> ortoslon: I've played that one too a little. I thought that Nethack must be superior, as it had more stuff. :)
02:24:13 <ortoslon> pffft
02:24:32 <bhaak> AFAIK rogue is way harder than nethack, especially because of the food clock.
02:24:37 <Zaba> larn is short, involves a 'town' and lots of dealing with selling and buying things
02:24:49 <bhaak> shops FTW \o/
02:24:53 <Keskitalo> I love the idea of RevivedHack - porting an earlier, shorter, smaller version of (Net)Hack to modern platforms. I only would wish to see the interfaces brought up to modern standards. :)
02:24:59 <greensnark> Keskitalo: "Check the links to the right and feel free." <-- incomplete sentence
02:25:14 <Keskitalo> Should try out Larn too..
02:25:30 <greensnark> Unless you meant "feel free" as in freedom :)
02:25:32 <Zaba> it has a more 'modern' incarnation, ularn, but I'm not sure the interface changed a lot
02:25:34 <Keskitalo> greensnark: I think it's a nice, flowery expression, suggesting the reader to enjoy life!
02:26:12 <bhaak> LOL: "Larn Fun Fact: I've made it to 9th level by killing nothing but lemmings."
02:26:22 <bhaak> http://www.ularn.org/
02:26:47 <Zaba> yeah, larn is fun, you can take your chances and dive into the hardest area and find a few chests, sell them, and you're pretty much suited for the rest of the game.
02:26:56 <Twinge> bhaak: Oooh, so it's like an MMORPG then :P
02:27:10 <Keskitalo> A 7DRL I really, really liked is Faerie's Lair. No leveling, all the monsters have unique behaviour..
02:27:32 <bhaak> Twinge: only if you can spend time picking up flowers and selling them for a good price :)
02:34:08 <Napkin> did we go for background? or role? or job?
02:34:20 <ortoslon> background afaik
02:36:13 <Napkin> thanks
02:47:23 <Ashenzari> Unable to displace aquatic allies when on land (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=970) by OG17
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03:07:29 <Ashenzari> robe of resistance gift from Okawaru didn't have an adjective (runed, embroidered, glowing) (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=971) by elliptic
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03:13:38 <greensnark> Keskitalo: Can we add to credits on the crawl.develz.page thanking Napkin for hosting cdo? :)
03:14:20 <greensnark> While you're at it, find out why he stopped using the nick "V-Napkin"
03:14:51 <Napkin> ran out of vorpalize scrolls :-P
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03:15:44 <greensnark> So "V" was vorpal after all? :P
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03:16:51 <Napkin> ;))
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03:25:31 <ortoslon> are magical staves enchantable yet?
03:25:54 <greensnark> No
03:41:21 <sorear> Zaba: hey, I saw your name on perldoc AnyEvent::IRC
03:41:41 <Zaba> sorear, I know its author
03:42:02 <Zaba> and I did a few little things for AE::IRC, yes
03:43:31 <sorear> ah
03:43:51 <ortoslon> empty ebony caskets should be autoinscribed
03:44:16 * sorear is currently writing an irssi clone using AE::IRC
03:44:40 <Zaba> sorear, do you know about bummskraut? It's a chat client (IRC and a few others) in development by AE::IRC's author.
03:44:57 <Zaba> http://git.ta-sa.org/git/BK/
03:45:24 <sorear> no
03:45:27 <sorear> terrible name
03:46:01 <sorear> it was mentioned in Object::Event documentation in such a context that I thought he meant BitKeeper
03:48:25 <sorear> ok, BK isn't what I'm writing
03:49:15 <Zaba> yes, it has Architecture.
03:49:53 <Zaba> which is its blessing and, to some extent, its curse.
03:53:15 <sorear> mine has Architecture too.
03:53:23 <sorear> completely. differerent. Architecture.
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03:54:59 <Zaba> sorear, do you have some VCS repo for it?
03:55:46 <sorear> of course, local git repo
03:55:59 <sorear> I wasn't planning to publish it until it actually runs
03:56:15 <Zaba> okay
03:57:17 <sorear> this is day 2 of rewrite #3
03:57:54 <Zaba> sorear, could you let me know when it's published?
03:58:36 <sorear> yes
03:58:38 <bhaak> sorear: the name is even worse if you understand it natively :)
03:59:42 <sorear> I don't speak German, and I'd like to know what cabbage has to do with IRC
04:01:55 <bhaak> I'm all for google-unique names for software products
04:05:17 <bhaak> bumms could mean "boom" or "fuck" and kraut could mean "cabbage", "herb" or "german"
04:06:16 <bhaak> it's hard to construct something with that that has something to do with IRC but who said names must have meaning :)
04:10:19 <sorear> Zaba: I'm always at a loss for when to publish stuff like this
04:12:01 <Zaba> well, at least a few other people I know publish their repos right after making an initial commit, and they also immediately start reporting commits into relevant irc channels.
04:12:14 <Zaba> I could never get hang of that strategy myself
04:14:44 <sorear> hah
04:15:01 <sorear> I usually err towards publishing too late
04:18:00 <bhaak> release early, release often and don't be afraid of embarrasing bugs :)
04:18:35 <sorear> 90% of my software is "wait, what do you mean anyone else is interested"
04:19:03 <ortoslon> sorear: have you repaired LOS in doomrl?
04:20:32 <sorear> I reached EBRAINFULL trying to decide what the most correct LOS was
04:20:40 <sorear> if someone gives me a specification, I'll do it
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04:22:21 <bhaak> isn't "scroll of $foo I, II, ..."  a blatant d&d-ism?
04:23:01 <Zaba> should it be 'enchant weapon damage' and 'enchant weapon accuracy'?
04:23:10 <Zaba> and 'enchant weapon awesomeness' for III
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04:26:29 <bhaak> that would be much better
04:27:54 <due> I need someone to slaughter for my greensnark summoning ritual.
04:27:57 <due> Any volunteers?
04:28:09 * Napkin hides *
04:28:14 <due> :(
04:28:22 <Napkin> :-P
04:28:38 <ortoslon> do you need a virgin?
04:28:40 * sorear sneaks off into query with Zaba
04:28:57 * due resorts to candles, two mirrors, and "Greensnark, greensnark, greensnark!"
04:30:12 <due> Bugger.
04:35:56 <due> !tell greensnark Adding shops via the WizMode command doesn't seem to add their contents to the stash tracker, so I haven't been able to properly test the trove item picking method from shops.
04:35:57 <Henzell> due: OK, I'll let greensnark know.
04:36:25 <Napkin> Has anyone got an idea how we can redirect http://crawl-ref.sf.net (including all files like http://crawl-ref.sf.net/survey.txt) to another site?
04:37:18 <Napkin> Has SF got a setting for that maybe?
04:57:42 <bhaak> Napkin: maybe http://p.sf.net/sourceforge/vhost ?
05:16:28 <Napkin> that rather sounde like the other way around, bhaak
05:16:35 <Napkin> not sure though
05:18:27 <Napkin> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/ticket/2516
05:22:26 <bhaak> I thought you wanted to have http://crawl-ref.sf.net/survey.txt to http://crawl.develz.org/survey.txt ?
05:22:34 <Napkin> yes
05:22:54 <Napkin> if someone opens the crawl-ref.sf.net site he should be redirected to cdo
05:23:29 <bhaak> really redirected or only accessing? with vhosts it would still show http://crawl-ref.sf.net/survey.txt but actually go to http://crawl.develz.org/survey.txt
05:25:20 <bhaak> the redirect you linked was setting http://crawl-ref.sf.net/ and IIRC only that link to a new location. And you would have to do it for every page manually?
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05:43:28 <by> hello
05:46:19 <ixtli> hey
05:46:22 <ixtli> !seen enne
05:46:22 <Henzell> I last saw Enne at Sun Feb 28 03:56:52 2010 UTC (7h 49m 30s ago) quitting with message Quit: zzz.
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05:57:14 <greensnark> due: Stash tracker tracks wizmoded shops just fine here
05:57:28 <greensnark> You do have to visit the shop before the stash tracker knows its contents, of course
06:01:30 <by> I wonder how troves deal with stash_filter abuse
06:01:36 <by> also, hi
06:05:20 <greensnark> Hello
06:05:26 <greensnark> What do troves use the tracker for?
06:05:36 <greensnark> For picking items to ask for?
06:05:49 <greensnark> Because yes, that does sound prone to stash_filter meddling
06:06:02 <by> I think so
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06:15:52 <Ashenzari> Porkolated levitating draconian retains controlled flight (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=972) by Chigusa
06:18:07 <due> greensnark: It uses a wrapper that matthew wrote for me.
06:18:39 <due> What's stash_filter?
06:19:12 <due> And it doesn't really matter, it has a dozen fallbacks if it can't find a good value item in the shop.
06:20:16 <greensnark> due: Players can tell the stash tracker not to track specific items with the stash_filter option
06:23:18 <by> IOOD has not been nerfed into uselessness, definitely
06:24:47 <by> one hit took donald to almost dead, at least
06:24:50 <by> @?? donald
06:24:51 <Gretell> Donald (02@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 84 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 26 | Flags: amphibious | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2423.
06:25:17 <by> hey, donald complained, and I missed it :)
06:25:38 <greensnark> Donald told me I wasn't even a real necromancer :'(
06:25:52 <greensnark> He also asked me if I dropped out of Necromancy school :'(
06:25:55 <Ashenzari> blocking message for out-of-LOS opponent (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=973) by rob
06:27:40 <by> can donald quack? maybe when in water?
06:29:11 <greensnark> When confused, I think :P
06:29:22 <greensnark> I giggled helplessly first time he did it
06:29:36 <greensnark> Donald is really quite awesome <3
06:34:17 <syllogism> donald isnt talking to my vehu worshipper
06:35:11 <syllogism> started talking immediately after I switched gods
06:35:11 <greensnark> Well, Vehumet worshippers are powergamrs who don't read monster speech
06:35:27 <syllogism> I never worship vehu :P
06:35:36 <syllogism> You troglodyte <3
06:37:08 <by> there's no "Vehumet Donald"
06:37:11 <syllogism> yep
06:38:32 <by> but he should still be doing his branch speech I think
06:38:38 <syllogism> this was on d1
06:39:37 <greensnark> Donald also does surprisingly well against Nikola in !fight :P
06:39:39 <due> There's no Vehumet Donald?
06:39:52 <greensnark> He has a 50/50 record vs Nikola, practically
06:39:52 <by> due: no
06:39:53 <due> I... can't remember having written speech for that, whoops.
06:40:03 <greensnark> due: Do it now :)
06:40:08 <by> I looked at your original commit, and it didn't seem to be in there
06:40:16 <greensnark> I loved the yred insults :P
06:40:16 <syllogism> nikola has 50/50 record against himself
06:40:32 <greensnark> syllogism: Was there a point there? :P
06:40:36 <due> greensnark: Is stash_filter going to be an issue? It only ever asks for expensive items.
06:40:45 <syllogism> greensnark: as in when he is just by himself :P
06:40:50 <syllogism> suiciding
06:41:03 <syllogism> @?? nikola
06:41:03 <Gretell> Nikola (11@) | Speed: 9 | HD: 18 | Health: 190 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Damage: 20 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 3665 | Sp: shock, chain lightning, blink, b.lightning.
06:41:09 <by> due: you could in theory put !cure mut in your stash filter, so troves never ask
06:41:19 <by> ?
06:41:25 <due> by: No.
06:41:30 <due> Definitely not :0
06:41:32 <greensnark> due: I doubt if players will meddle with stash_filter for troves, but it is an undesirable interaction
06:41:32 <by> just artefacts and the like?
06:41:32 <due> *:)
06:41:46 <due> greensnark: Bah.
06:41:53 <due> greensnark: All it uses it for is listing expensive items in shops.
06:41:56 <greensnark> For the future I'd just change stash_filter to act as  display filter
06:42:00 <by> yeah
06:42:12 <due> by: Potions, wands, etc, are all special-cased and aren't touched by the stash tracker.
06:42:23 <due> so no, adding !cure mut would do nothing :)
06:42:27 <greensnark> I was pretty annoyed by the default stash_filter settings ignoring junk scrolls
06:42:38 <greensnark> When I wanted to train Spellcasting level 1 :P
06:42:40 <by> greensnark: change it!
06:42:52 <greensnark> Yep, will do
06:42:57 <greensnark> Have to walk the dog first though :P
06:43:14 <greensnark> She's doing her poke-elbow-with-cold-wet-nose stunt
06:43:23 <due> greensnark: I bought a new elephant!
06:43:29 <due> My elephant fetish is... immense.
06:44:07 <greensnark> ...
06:44:12 <greensnark> Ok, back in 45
06:44:48 <due> Have fun.
06:52:36 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * re4f7ee766d4f 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-dngn.txt: Add more placeholders for yet to-be-added portal vault entry tiles.
06:53:28 <syllogism> rob: does it look like monsters start wandering pretty frequently after you leave their los
06:53:38 <syllogism> by:
06:53:56 <by> not sure
06:54:02 <syllogism> that naga seemed to
06:54:26 <syllogism> does it happen you succeed in a stealth check?
06:54:29 <syllogism> when
06:54:39 <by> maybe, I'm reasonably stealthy
06:54:51 <by> I don't remember intentional changes to that
06:55:56 <syllogism> doesnt seem to be the case
06:56:44 <syllogism> st_ said he had noticed that happening frequently
06:58:29 <by> once the monster has reached its target (I hope this is the last place it saw you), there's a (one in SK_STEALTH/3) chance of heading for your current position
06:58:58 <syllogism> oh it's that same check
06:59:13 <by> but I'm not sure that check should even be relevant
07:00:05 <syllogism> i did notice monsters sometimes stop chasing you when they fall behind while pillar dancing
07:00:49 <syllogism> though that was on d1 so my stealth should have been very low
07:00:59 <syllogism> perhaps it wasn't on d1
07:01:29 <by> I've succesfully lost monsters by repeatedly closing a door around a wall
07:03:47 <by> if I read the code correctly, moving out of LOS of the place you were last seen from gives a good chance (2/3 for me) of losing the monster
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07:08:27 <dpeg> Cheers
07:08:27 <Henzell> dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
07:09:17 <dpeg> !messages
07:09:17 <Henzell> (1/2) bmh said (1d 1h 25m 17s ago): I'll write something about playing Jiyva as soon as I win a game... I invariably seem to die member:by level 15 or so. YASD.
07:09:25 <by> hi
07:09:28 <dpeg> !messages
07:09:28 <Henzell> (1/1) due said (14h 2m 50s ago): For what it's worth, I'm in complete agreement with you now over inventory weights, now that I've slept on it.
07:09:38 <dpeg> Nice to hear that :)
07:09:38 <by> not being able to use IOOD in corridors is a great change
07:09:53 <dpeg> by: yes. You can use it, technically?
07:10:04 <by> it's still very strong
07:10:05 <due> dpeg: Hi!Ah, you got my email.
07:10:07 <dpeg> Only that 2/3 or so of IOODs will go away?
07:10:27 <dpeg> due: the one about Marc and Rachel? Sure.
07:10:36 <dpeg> !seen enne
07:10:36 <Henzell> I last saw Enne at Sun Feb 28 03:56:52 2010 UTC (9h 13m 44s ago) quitting with message Quit: zzz.
07:10:43 <by> I had a nice fight with xtahua before; partly corridored, and hit 3/8
07:10:46 <dpeg> Resting lag fixed <3
07:10:49 <due> Excellent, I'll wait on Eino and Darshan to comment on the wording first, but will commit.
07:10:51 <dpeg> by: sounds good
07:10:53 <due> Yes, resting lag <3.
07:10:59 <due> I'm working on troves now.
07:11:04 <due> dpeg: What item were you having trouble getting it to accept/
07:11:13 <dpeg> 12 scrolls of remove curse
07:11:23 <due> Excellent, thanks.
07:11:33 <due> I've writtne debugging code that is making this so much easier to test.
07:11:33 <dpeg> I had 14, and I tried a lot: wielding 14, wielding 12, carring exactly 12, dropping 12 etc.
07:12:10 <dpeg> due: Probably, heck, certainly I would have won that game if I had been able to enter that trove! :)
07:12:12 <due> It seems to function now.
07:12:35 <by> I couldn't get it to accept "a ring of magical power", but I filed that
07:12:50 <due> by: Yes, I'm going to get it to ignore curse status.
07:12:54 <dpeg> by, due: isn't that too cheap?
07:12:58 <due> It asked for a ring of magical power?
07:12:58 <by> yes
07:13:00 <by> yes
07:13:02 <due> How much was that in a shop?
07:13:18 <due> Artefact rings may be broken, will check.
07:13:34 <by> due: no idea, I had one lying around I think
07:13:42 <syllogism> is it now more clear what paying the imp actually does
07:13:44 <due> Yeah, artefact rings are broken.
07:13:47 <due> syllogism: Yes.
07:13:52 <due> syllogism: Rob fixed that <3.
07:13:53 <by> the trove itself had ~15 rings, two of which were artefacts
07:14:10 <by> I thought that was an error message initially :)
07:14:22 <due> Oh, no, wait, it is working.
07:14:36 <dpeg> due: items from shops should be only used if they're either randarts (so unique) or from a positive list, I think.
07:14:45 <due> dpeg: They are. :)
07:14:49 <due> dpeg: And only if they cost more than 1000.
07:15:02 <due> I might limit jewellery to randart-only though.
07:15:07 <due> Expensive swords and armour are fine.
07:15:16 <due> But if there's an expensive ring that you've already found a copy of on the floor...
07:15:30 <syllogism> randart jewellery usually cost less than 1k
07:15:47 <due> Yeah. Not sure why it picked a irng of magical power.
07:15:56 <due> by: Did you get the game backed up, by any chance/
07:16:15 <by> no, sorry
07:16:26 <due> I've added new portal debugging which makes things infinitely easier.
07:16:58 <dpeg> !seen Napkin
07:16:58 <Henzell> I last saw Napkin at Sun Feb 28 11:22:54 2010 UTC (1h 54m 4s ago) saying if someone opens the crawl-ref.sf.net site he should be redirected to cdo on ##crawl-dev.
07:17:07 <dpeg> Napkin?
07:17:12 <due> Napkin is around
07:17:16 <due> He was just before I went for a shower
07:17:17 <Napkin> yeah?
07:17:39 <Napkin> what's up, dpeg?
07:18:29 <due> too.
07:18:31 <due> too.
07:18:33 <due> Argh.
07:19:01 <due> I should sleep soon.
07:19:42 <syllogism> didn't realize how Power based tukima now is
07:19:50 <syllogism> no wonder it was worthless early on
07:19:59 <by> just two active players on cdo; what's wrong?
07:20:37 <due> Yesss.
07:21:03 <due> All my test cases seem to be working properly.
07:21:20 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r75f00dde63e8 10/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt: Clarify autofight.lua documentation.
07:22:16 <syllogism> early on your dancing dagger does ~2 damage :P
07:22:49 <dpeg> Napkin: Hi! Any chance to get Dungeon Sprint on CDO?
07:23:28 <Napkin> erm... ok
07:23:39 <Napkin> probably not today though
07:24:23 <dpeg> sure :)
07:26:11 <Ashenzari> Rename scrolls of enchant weapon I, II and III to something more meaningful (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=974) by bhaak
07:26:59 <due> Hm, I'm gonna sleep,
07:27:02 <dpeg> bye due!
07:27:05 <due> by: My simple fix for the cursed/uncursed thing isn't enough
07:27:09 <due> Will have lots of time tomorrow, though
07:27:18 <due> dpeg: gonna pist the div thing with tomorrow's list if I get time
07:28:15 <Napkin> g'night due :)
07:29:26 <due> looks like I'll need to extend the identified check
07:29:27 <due> anyway, later :0
07:29:38 <syllogism> when does the game prompt you to save macros
07:29:43 <by> good night
07:29:45 <due> I still have wizlab loot balance to do
07:30:03 <due> dpeg: can you look over wizlab loot at some point in time? I think it is essnetial for 0.6.
07:30:04 <cbus> bhaak, III should be "pimp my weapon"
07:30:09 <by> I'm not sure why it even prompts instead of just saving
07:33:32 <syllogism> "This spell isn't strong enough to banish yourself" when I shot a bolt of chaos at myself :P
07:33:54 <dpeg> due: can do, but only next week
07:33:57 <by> bug
07:34:35 <dpeg> by: oh, I don't think that auto-saving is the way to go. (Perhaps with an option.9
07:35:03 <by> yet another yesno() doesn't seem any better
07:35:05 <dpeg> I hate to say it, but bhaak has a point :)
07:35:12 <dpeg> by: I also agree with that.
07:35:29 <bhaak> cbus: yo, we heard you like hacking, so we put a tv in your weapon, so you can watch hackers while you're hacking at monsters!
07:35:47 <cbus> haha
07:35:59 * bhaak makes a belly dance out of joy
07:36:06 <by> save_macros_on_exit = save/prompt/no ?
07:36:14 <dpeg> by: for example, yes
07:36:24 <dpeg> by: is the prompt in 0.6?
07:38:44 <by> no
07:38:50 <by> it's not urgent at all
07:41:19 <dpeg> ok
07:41:36 <dpeg> by: and we will be reminded by it every time we set a macro :)
07:42:07 <dpeg> by: if we keep the prompt, the interface could be much better, listing the changes between the old and the new macro file.
07:46:45 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * rd023208b20c2 10/crawl-ref/docs/ (changelog.txt options_guide.txt tiles_help.txt): Further documentation of tile_runrest_rate.
07:47:36 <dpeg> by: would you say that IOOD has been nerfed enough for now?
07:48:32 <by> it may still mean that pure conjurer is straightforward; can't really say
07:48:59 <by> it's definitely a lot better now (not stronger)
07:49:06 <dpeg> by: I hope it's less of a no-brainer in corridors
07:52:21 <by> weird, it occasionally seems to jump past orbs of fire
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07:54:12 <by> in fact, it almost reliably does that
07:54:18 <by> is that intended?
07:55:03 <dpeg> by: no, I don't think so.
07:55:28 <syllogism> like it goes straight through it?
07:55:39 <by> yes
07:56:20 <Ashenzari> Previously secret doors displayed as half a gate (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=975) by jpeg
07:57:01 <syllogism> I guess it's because it gets to act before the orb and they can no longer attack it
07:57:39 <syllogism> or not
07:57:53 <syllogism> @?? orb of fire
07:57:53 <Gretell> orb of fire (05*) | Speed: 20 | HD: 30 | Health: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | Flags: 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04hellfire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++ | XP: 11717 | Sp: b.fire, polymorph other, fireball.
07:57:55 <greensnark> syllogism: You're right, Shoals is way too easy :P
07:58:03 <syllogism> watching smiley?
07:58:18 <greensnark> No, I went in at XL13 with my MuPr and didn't have much trouble
07:58:23 <syllogism> sad
07:58:33 <greensnark> Had to banish Ilsuiw though :P
07:59:20 <Napkin> btw, dpeg - too bad dungeon sprint isn't a git branch.. installing it would have taking like 1 minute.. instead of 30
07:59:33 <dpeg> Napkin: :(
07:59:41 <dpeg> Napkin: should we tell chapayev?
07:59:42 <syllogism> by: it doesn't seem to happen with any other monster
07:59:53 <greensnark> We should tell Chapayev to use master for his variants
07:59:59 <dpeg> syllogism: declare as feature?
08:00:02 <dpeg> greensnark: true.
08:00:08 <greensnark> 0.5 is practically the hadean epoch
08:00:13 <Napkin> offer him that I would love host his branch, if he's looking for a public repository
08:00:13 <dpeg> greensnark: do you have any ideas for quick Shoals nerfs?
08:00:21 <greensnark> dpeg: What Shoals nerfs :P
08:00:35 <dpeg> greensnark: from the player's POV :)
08:00:47 <greensnark> You mean making the Shoals more dangerous?
08:00:50 <by> kraken simulacra?
08:00:54 <dpeg> greensnark: yes
08:00:55 <greensnark> Kraken need to be improved
08:01:00 <greensnark> They're completely non-threatening
08:01:10 <greensnark> I had at least three, but I just ran around them
08:01:11 <syllogism> @?? merfolk impaler
08:01:11 <Gretell> merfolk impaler (12m) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%; atk: 60%) | HD: 12 | Health: 60-108 | AC/EV: 0/18 | Damage: 26 | Flags: amphibious | Res: 06magic(48) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1076.
08:01:13 <by> give them curare?
08:01:15 <syllogism> @?? greater naga
08:01:15 <Gretell> greater naga (04N) | Speed: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 15 | Health: 45-120 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Damage: 27 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1580 | Sp: b.venom, mystic blast, haste, poison arrow, teleport other, teleport self.
08:01:22 <greensnark> Although one of them made itself obnoxious by camping an upstair on Shoals:5
08:01:29 <greensnark> We need an anti-camping mod
08:01:41 <greensnark> After 200 turns of camping the camping actor is INSTAGIBBED
08:02:18 <dpeg> !tell chapayev (1) Could you use master instead of 0.5? (2) It would help a lot if Crawl Sprint was a branch of the git tree. Do you need a place to host your branch? Ask Napkin. Awesome stuff!
08:02:18 <Henzell> dpeg: OK, I'll let chapayev know.
08:02:32 <greensnark> Making the rune guardians patrolling might help a bit, I was able to pick them off one at a time
08:02:49 <dpeg> greensnark: how fast are kraken?
08:02:58 <greensnark> Normal speed
08:03:10 <greensnark> Their tentacles are faster, but restricted to water, so they're pretty useless
08:03:17 <greensnark> @??tentacle
08:03:17 <Gretell> tentacle (08w) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 12 | Health: 36-60 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Damage: 29 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx | XP: 0.
08:03:22 <greensnark> Oh, needs update
08:03:22 <syllogism> it doesn't really matter what their speed is, you are never going to be in shallow water or at least you can easily runa way
08:03:49 <greensnark> We could tweak level gen to force more shallow water
08:03:50 <syllogism> and the tentacle collateral damage makes killing them trivial
08:03:56 <syllogism> @?? kraken
08:03:56 <Gretell> kraken (11X) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 160-256 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Damage: 50 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1856 | Sp: spawn tentacles, ink cloud.
08:04:02 <syllogism> not that great xp though
08:04:08 <syllogism> thought they had more hp
08:04:14 <syllogism> wasn't it like 300+ hp before
08:04:17 <greensnark> Ilsuiw is also not very dangerous
08:04:40 <greensnark> She summons a blanket of water elementals so you're forced to back off, but she can't kill you directly unless you're very feeble
08:05:13 <dpeg> greensnark: well, my original plan had them travel at faster speed and their intelligence would make them hunt the player, no matter where he is (once the kraken is awake).
08:05:21 <greensnark> Monster chuck icicle is either very weak, or I'm getting very lucky
08:05:28 <syllogism> is ink cloud its escape spell?
08:05:43 <greensnark> We can make kraken faster and give them autohoming, but we also need to add more water for it to act
08:05:52 <greensnark> There's also code in place to make kraken useless in shallow water, which is a problem :P
08:06:22 <Ashenzari> Magic mapping has no effect on levels cleared with X Ctrl-F (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=976) by jpeg
08:07:21 <dpeg> greensnark: well, deeper Shoals level have more water?
08:07:31 <greensnark> Not enough to matter
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08:07:58 <dpeg> greensnark: they can act in shallow water just fine... I just don't wanted water creatures like kraken to be cannon fodder for ranged attackers.
08:08:16 <greensnark> I should remove that shallow water check
08:08:20 <greensnark> I don't know why it was added :)
08:08:28 <greensnark> Something about kraken being too large to move in shallow water
08:08:41 <by> ugh, realism
08:09:19 <by> we should just allow tentacles on land for console builds
08:09:27 <greensnark> Heh
08:09:29 <syllogism> that's silly
08:09:46 <greensnark> We should do tentacles-connected-to-body-visibly and allow them to roam over land within X distance of kraken again
08:09:54 <dpeg> greensnark: yes
08:10:05 <by> but that stil won't work in tiles, will it?
08:10:13 <greensnark> by: It'll need a lot of new tiles, yes
08:10:25 <greensnark> And special logic to figure out which ones to use
08:10:30 <greensnark> Good thing I'm not a tiles dev :P
08:10:43 <greensnark> For that matter it'll be a fair bit of work even for console builds
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08:11:43 <by> we could just say that the shoals are very sandy and the tentacles can go under the sand
08:11:46 <greensnark> Unless the kraken can express itself on land, being killed by one will be about as likely as being killed by a sheep
08:11:55 <greensnark> by: That was my original theory, but people were kicking :P
08:12:04 <greensnark> "kraken can punch through the sand near the shore" :P
08:12:25 <dpeg> greensnark: nice, long tentacles would be best, yes
08:12:27 <by> kraken should be able to swim under the islands
08:12:39 <dpeg> greensnark: but fast kraken harassing the player whenever he's on water would also help
08:12:49 <greensnark> We need volcanic islands in Shoals
08:12:57 <greensnark> Geysers, steam clouds
08:13:23 <greensnark> Yes, speed increase will make them more relevant in water
08:13:29 <greensnark> As it is I could just dogleg around them
08:13:51 <greensnark> Apart from the one camping the stairs :P
08:13:52 <by> how about a siren variant that rides a kraken?
08:13:56 <syllogism> I doubt "enchant weapon awesomeness" was a serious suggestion :P
08:13:58 <greensnark> <3
08:14:13 <greensnark> by: The octopus king too :)
08:15:32 <by> ??octopus king
08:15:33 <Henzell> octopus king[1/1]: +10,+4 trident of the Octopus King {venom, rElec rPois MR}
08:15:47 <dpeg> greensnark: can we make a specific list of kraken ideas, for now or for the wiki?
08:16:16 <greensnark> "Someone should do that" yes :P
08:16:22 <by> greensnark: is there some background to the Octopus King I might be missing?
08:16:25 <syllogism> smiley running through a freezing vapour gauntlet :P
08:16:35 <syllogism> or cloud
08:16:50 <greensnark> by: It's an old unrand with a description that begs for the Octopus King to be implemented :)
08:17:07 <greensnark> "This trident was stolen many years ago from the Octopus King's garden by a really unimportant and already dead man. But beware of the Octopus King's wrath!"
08:17:30 <greensnark> We've been waiting 10 years to see the Octopus King's wrath, it's about time :P
08:18:23 <dpeg> by: no, not that I am aware of. We can make our own background.
08:18:45 <greensnark> due could do an Octopus King portal vault
08:18:49 <dpeg> yes
08:18:56 <dpeg> but we need good kraken before that :)
08:19:14 <greensnark> Good kraken in 0.7 :)
08:19:40 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * r2b40d947ab7d 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Remove kraken handicap in shallow water.
08:19:41 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * r60bad9becca8 10/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc: Revert "Simplify the handling of the background_colour option."
08:19:48 <greensnark> Oops :P
08:19:54 <greensnark> Didn't mean to push the revert :P
08:19:57 <greensnark> But it can stay :P
08:22:27 <syllogism> why is the fire elemental green on the monster list
08:24:52 <CIA-40> 03by * r76205da81115 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Fix wizlab portal description (missing space).
08:24:57 <CIA-40> 03by * rb62ce6897d48 10/crawl-ref/source/ (misc.cc mon-info.cc mon-info.h): Add monster_info::m_is_safe storing result of mons_is_safe.
08:24:58 <CIA-40> 03by * rb284cb6bbdc9 10/crawl-ref/source/l_moninf.cc: Export monster_info::is_safe to Lua.
08:24:59 <CIA-40> 03by * rd52bb35bff68 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_moninf.cc): Revert "Use mons_is_safe check for autofight.lua."
08:25:01 <CIA-40> 03by * r8e6b2a9d4110 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: autofight.lua: Use monster_info::is_safe.
08:25:03 <CIA-40> 03by * r09a42d0c3024 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: autofight.lua: Clarify failure message (no unsafe monsters).
08:25:04 <CIA-40> 03by * r7dc6e6362aef 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Make slouch not affect sleeping monsters. [951]
08:26:25 <Keskitalo> I declare 28.2. the inspiration day; I have ideas for the whole year.
08:26:52 <dpeg> Keskitalo: write them down!
08:27:11 <Keskitalo> dpeg: I'm working on something that I've realized might be close in territory to constriction; I'll be looking into it!
08:27:24 <dpeg> oh, nice :)
08:27:40 <Keskitalo> dpeg: I have them in my precious red notebook, pages and pages.
08:27:59 <Keskitalo> And what is this "Dungeon Sprint" thing? I'm overwhelmed with excitement!
08:30:11 <dpeg> I wonder if http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:monster:water_creatures_overhaul should be deleted?
08:30:26 <Keskitalo> dpeg: If it's done, it's done!
08:30:45 <dpeg> Keskitalo: that means delete?
08:31:10 <dpeg> there could also be a graveyard for obsolete pages
08:31:40 <by> it's sometimes useful to read old plans when trying to understand how something was intended to work
08:32:00 <by> not sure it's really worth keeping around however
08:32:03 <Keskitalo> Yeah. I looked at the same page before and was thinking "isn't this done?" It's long enough that it's hard to read through to get a grasp if it should be deleted; so if you're up to date with the feature and the page is obsolete, yeah, it should be cleaned away..
08:32:32 <Keskitalo> dpeg: The graveyard page could link to the history of the deleted page I think.
08:32:45 <Keskitalo> I mean the page should be a list of links (to history).
08:32:59 <Keskitalo> Or actually, it's probably easier
08:33:10 <Keskitalo> to make a graveyard namespace and move the page there.
08:34:05 <Keskitalo> It's made by simply moving the page, should I try that?
08:35:24 <by> You blow up the insubstantial wisp!
08:35:53 <Keskitalo> Not worse than dancing weapons making facial expressions, I'd say.
08:39:04 <dpeg> Keskitalo: yes, that would work. Can you try?
08:40:08 <Keskitalo> http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=graveyard:water_creatures_overhaul
08:40:15 <Keskitalo> Easy as pies. Now, a movie!
08:40:30 <dpeg> thank you
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08:41:32 <Ashenzari> IOOD is blocked by submerged creatures (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=977) by rob
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08:50:55 <syllogism> bhaak: why not berserk
08:51:34 <Ashenzari> disappearing weapons, no explaination (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=978) by June
08:53:24 <bhaak> syllogism: I keep forgetting all those fancy new things :)
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09:09:52 <ixtli> 'lo
09:16:41 <Ashenzari> Crash (related to butcher weapon swapping?) (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=979) by caotto
09:25:53 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r7b09839b6851 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-act.cc monster.cc monster.h): Fix deep elf fighters etc. never starting with a bow.
09:30:37 <DrPraetor> http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:feedback:magic:school:transmutation
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09:45:32 <by> Earth Magic is quite synergistic with Transmutations
09:46:42 <CIA-40> 03N78291 * r82848caa1fcb 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Fix excessive Jiyva piety gain
09:46:44 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r68cdff30738f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Don't guarantee Jiyva piety gain 1 when jelly's eat items of low value.
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09:59:00 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * rbc3c092ba37f 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-height.cc: Use better islanding for atolls.
10:05:39 <TGW> atolls!
10:05:47 <TGW> greensnark <3
10:06:55 <Ashenzari> shafts and dancing weapons (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=980) by rob
10:07:09 <by> hate shafts
10:07:36 <TGW> love shafts
10:08:13 <by> oh, love the effect shafts have on gameplay; hate the code :)
10:08:35 <greensnark> Shafts and dancing weapons sounds interesting
10:09:07 <by> I think there may be more general "shafts and items" weirdness
10:09:13 <scarf> haha, that's a fun bug
10:09:47 <greensnark> At some point we should also fix up_stairs and down_stairs
10:09:50 <greensnark> In misc.cc
10:10:08 <greensnark> Each function is damnably fragile and miles long
10:10:20 <greensnark> And riddled with code that should be common to both but isn't
10:10:23 <by> oh yes
10:15:03 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * rcee746967185 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Increase speed for kraken and tentacles (dpeg).
10:15:25 <Napkin> guys? what could Chapayev have done wrong, when he get's this error:
10:15:28 <TGW> @??kraken
10:15:28 <Gretell> kraken (11X) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 160-256 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Damage: 50 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1856 | Sp: spawn tentacles, ink cloud.
10:15:38 <Napkin> 17:14 <Chapayev> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/asalch/Desktop/test/crawl-ref/source/util' CXX util/levcomp.lex.o GEN build.h
10:15:42 <Napkin> 17:14 <Chapayev> No Git, and util/release_ver doesn't exist.
10:15:50 <Napkin> he got the code via git
10:16:25 <greensnark> Tell him to drop in here :)
10:16:33 <greensnark> And pastebin more of the compiler error output
10:16:58 <by> probably no git in path
10:17:11 <by> this is a util/gen_ver.pl error message
10:17:23 <Napkin> ubuntu, apt-get installed git-core
10:18:25 <by> try executing the git command from gen_ver.pl by hand and see if it fails?
10:18:53 <Napkin> what's $mergebase set to?
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10:20:28 <Napkin> Napkin> could you run this command? git describe --tags --long
10:20:30 <Napkin> Chapayev> 0.7.0-a0-471-g7dc6e63
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10:22:12 <by> mergebase should normally just be empty, I think
10:22:29 <Napkin> Chapayev created a branch, did his changes and then ran make
10:22:38 <Napkin> oh.. Chapayev
10:22:46 <Napkin> you said you copied the crawl-ref to another folder?
10:22:49 <Chapayev> yes
10:22:51 <Napkin> don't do that
10:22:58 <Napkin> you are probably missing the .git folder
10:23:07 <Chapayev> i'm also running make in the original folder, to see if that fixes the problem
10:23:11 <Napkin> just compile in the folder you did the git clone command in
10:23:16 <Napkin> it will :)
10:23:41 <Chapayev> it's almost done
10:24:08 <Chapayev> ah, excellent!
10:24:25 <by> should be able to substitute "enchant weapon III" for two "enchant weapon I" for this trove
10:24:30 <by> (not really)
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10:26:21 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * r2a5fc67b3435 10/crawl-ref/source/ (stash.cc stash.h): stash_filter now affects only ^F search; filtered items are still remembered by the stash tracker.
10:29:37 <by> it seems races with good spellcasting aptitudes really get less gifts from Sif, from looking at a few morgues
10:33:25 <greensnark> Yeah, Sif piety gain has been borked since 0.1 :P
10:41:23 <TGW> didn't someone crunch numbers on that?
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11:02:11 <Ashenzari> Don't place monsters on the other side of a wall when taking stairs (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=981) by jpeg
11:11:17 <sorear> TGW: greensnark even knows who borked it
11:12:15 <syllogism> some anti-mummy crusader :P
11:12:22 <syllogism> @whereis greensnark
11:12:22 <Gretell> greensnark the Conjurer (L18 MuPr), a worshipper of Yredelemnul, saved on Vault:3 on 2010-02-28 after 93642 turns.
11:13:59 <greensnark> One of these days I should really get my first Mu win :P
11:14:29 <greensnark> My best effort was in b26 where I got to Zot:5 and discovered that haha, those statues could be orange statues and Mu cannot cure confuson :P
11:14:40 <syllogism> ha ha
11:15:17 <by> is there anything mummies can do there?
11:15:29 <greensnark> Clarity before the fact
11:15:43 <syllogism> they can attempt to walk away
11:15:51 <greensnark> Orange statues also attack a lot more slowly now, so they can walk out
11:15:55 <syllogism> you can probably put on clarity while confused too?
11:16:02 <greensnark> Wasn't carrying it :P
11:16:24 <greensnark> I was really pretty unspoiled in b26
11:17:20 <sorear> Didn't orange statues in b26 attack at (your speed)?
11:17:37 <greensnark> Statues were pretty weird, yeah
11:17:47 <greensnark> They were handled as dungeon features
11:17:50 <sorear> Yeah
11:17:55 <greensnark> And Brent nearly bust an artery when we converted them to monsters
11:17:56 <sorear> I remember
11:18:16 <Chapayev> OCS is still a little weird--do they still attack by simply calling the divinations miscast code? they did at least in 0.4.x
11:18:41 <greensnark> Yes, but in-game it works out fine
11:18:58 <greensnark> I mean, you don't get a message from the statue saying "LOL, I'm using divination miscasts on u!" in game
11:19:02 <Chapayev> it works out fine in the game since there's probably no way to get a friendly OCS
11:19:29 <Chapayev> greensnark: yeah, the only weird thing about it is that OCS is unable to attack anything other than the player
11:19:30 <greensnark> I implemented orange statue v monsters for Fight Club, so it works fine either way now
11:19:37 <Chapayev> greensnark: how did you implement it?
11:19:53 <greensnark> I implemented a few miscast effects that seemed to make sense for monsters
11:20:37 <sorear> isn't it just confusion?
11:20:44 <greensnark> I think when you were doing ZotDefense, you worked off 0.4, right?
11:20:47 <syllogism> int drain is the worst part
11:20:53 <Chapayev> cool, i did something like that for zot-def but it was extremely hacky (like everything else about zot-def)
11:20:56 <Chapayev> greensnark: yeah
11:21:22 <greensnark> I believe I wrote FightClub against an in-dev release, and zelgadis had already done most of the work to apply miscast effects to monsters
11:21:26 <greensnark> So I could just hook it up to that
11:21:34 <Chapayev> ah, i see!
11:21:36 <greensnark> I also did something for giant eyeballs
11:22:00 <sorear> Initially, I thought zelgadis' work was ludicrous
11:22:10 <syllogism> should partially enable monster miscast and make an unique/monster type that frequently miscasts
11:22:11 <greensnark> Yes, every major release has improved things under the hood
11:22:32 <greensnark> Chapayev: You should use git master for your variants :)
11:22:38 <sorear> syllogism: I'm planning to do that as a ghost nerf
11:22:41 <sorear> also for Dowan
11:22:42 <Chapayev> greensnark: napkin just explained to me how to do that
11:23:18 <syllogism> ghosts don't need a nerf :P
11:23:22 <Chapayev> i just finished making dungeon sprint based on git master instead of based on 0.5.2, and uploaded it to the git repository, with a lot of help from napkin on using git
11:23:32 <greensnark> Hey, do we have it on cdo?
11:23:42 <syllogism> of course you can do that for ghosts that just learn fire storm at terrible
11:23:44 <Chapayev> he said he'd see about putting it on cdo tonight
11:23:51 <greensnark> Yay
11:23:57 <greensnark> !coffee Napkin
11:23:57 <syllogism> what is dungeon sprint
11:23:58 * Henzell hands Napkin a cup of café au lait, brewed by Crazy Yiuf.
11:24:18 <Chapayev> syllogism: it is a new dumb little variant i made, i just finished it last night (and began it two days ago)
11:24:22 <sorear> syllogism: that's exactly what needs nerfing about them; I'll probably round >= Good to 100%
11:24:37 <Chapayev> syllogism: it's one fixed level of crawl, all on D:1, and you gain experience and train skills 27 times faster than normal
11:24:39 <syllogism> sorear: sounds good
11:24:52 <syllogism> Chapayev: sounds fun
11:25:00 <Chapayev> syllogism: i think it is, hopefully others will like it too
11:25:04 <greensnark> Of course, if ghosts miscast and kill themselves, people won't stop whining about their lost experience :P
11:25:12 <greensnark> I can just see the whining on SA :P
11:25:18 <syllogism> *miscasts summon imp, gets a fiend*
11:25:29 <greensnark> syllogism: But that would be a friendly Fiend :P
11:25:34 <syllogism> neutral at best :P
11:25:45 <greensnark> Granted :P
11:26:06 <greensnark> You don't get xp for neutrals :P
11:26:14 <greensnark> I mean neutrals killing stuff
11:26:19 <syllogism> it should be neutral for ~20 turns and then turn hostile
11:26:19 <greensnark> So SA will still cry about their lost xp!
11:26:39 <greensnark> It should turn hostile if it kills the ghost
11:26:47 <greensnark> "All right, dealt with him. NEXT!"
11:31:09 <sorear> It should use the proposed Haunt mechanic and be friendly, but ignore orders, and insta abjure on MHITNOT
11:32:51 <greensnark> Wouldn't it give the player xp in that case
11:32:58 <greensnark> A ghost miscast shouldn't give the player xp
11:33:20 <greensnark> Unless this is a different kind of friendly
11:34:12 <sorear> I suppose haunting / neutral then
11:34:50 <sorear> MF_HAUNTING,     // target cannot be changed, disappears wen target dies, used for Haunt and miscasts
11:34:56 <sorear> how dows that sound
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11:36:45 <greensnark> sorear: Sounds good
11:37:21 <greensnark> Although if Haunt summons really disappear when their target dies the spell may go back to niche-only
11:49:13 <ixtli> greensnark: When you say SA, you mean Something Aweful ... ?
11:51:08 <greensnark> Yep
11:51:17 <greensnark> You hang out there too? :)
11:51:31 <greensnark> There's a bunch of folks from SA here
11:51:51 <greensnark> And a few chronic whiners who do not hang out here :)
11:52:59 <jarpiain> heh, 78291 is trying to ninja the orb without apportation
11:53:30 <syllogism> oh 0.5
11:53:32 <greensnark> Apportation should have a chance of blinking you to the object instead of the object to you for powerful magical objects
11:54:34 <syllogism> what is he doing :P
11:55:07 <syllogism> apparently decided he really has to go through that group of hell knights + stone giant
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11:55:54 <ixtli> greensnark: The guy who introduced me to crawl does.
11:55:58 <ixtli> I don't pay for forum membership.
11:56:23 <syllogism> that was basically a suicide
11:56:28 <syllogism> didn't he have a wand of healing too?
11:56:49 <ixtli> Honestly I think it's a little silly.  Especially how the newer ones claim they're not goons.
11:57:40 <greensnark> I haven't studied SA culture deeply, but they have a pretty active Crawl thread
11:58:42 <syllogism> http://www.skunkduster.com/SA/DF/df_fortress.jpg
12:00:00 <greensnark> syllogism: What on earth is that? :P
12:00:13 <greensnark> Is that a 3d rendering of an actual fortress?
12:00:25 <syllogism> yes, some 3rd party visualization utility
12:00:28 <syllogism> stonesense maybe
12:00:56 <greensnark> And and the pictures in the courtyard... ? :P
12:01:26 <syllogism> likely blocks made out of different materials
12:01:36 <syllogism> or stock piles
12:01:36 <greensnark> Yegods
12:01:49 <greensnark> DF art
12:02:07 <syllogism> http://www.skunkduster.com/SA/DF/df_mario.jpg
12:05:45 <greensnark> I know Shoals are easy but Eifel is pushing it at XL 11 :P
12:06:23 <syllogism> if he doesn't splat, the unnerf should be added to 0.6 release blockers :P
12:06:53 <greensnark> I did Snake after Shoals, and I had way more trouble in Snake with greater nagas
12:07:03 <greensnark> Unless the greater nagas used poison arrow, I mean :P
12:07:27 <greensnark> And one naga warrior sneaked up with a holy wrath weapon and I thought I was taking horrific damage from the greater naga next to him :P
12:07:29 <syllogism> should unnerf those too
12:07:36 <greensnark> That was almost a hilarious splat
12:07:59 <greensnark> I panicked and pulled out all the big guns to take out the greater naga and it was the naga warrior doing all the damage :P
12:08:03 <syllogism> oh eifel has a bow, that's why he is so confident :P
12:08:23 <greensnark> :P
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12:10:08 <greensnark> Well, that was practically suicide
12:10:18 <greensnark> Why was he so keen on rushing into that turtle's embrace
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12:51:48 <by> // Spellcasting is cheaper early on, and elementals hinder each
12:51:48 <by> // other.
12:52:03 <by> this applies to invocations and evocations, too...
12:55:49 <sorear> it's been that way since forever
12:58:03 <Napkin> oops, Chapayev
12:59:18 <Napkin> I just saw, that we build dungeon-sprint on top of trunk - instead of pre-0.6
13:03:01 <by> comments are quite at odds with the code
13:20:33 <Chapayev> Napkin: you still there?
13:20:47 <Napkin> yes, I am here
13:21:15 <Chapayev> is it a problem that dungeon-sprint is built on trunk instead of pre-0.6? dpeg suggested it be built on master
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13:22:00 <Napkin> not a problem, no
13:22:14 <Napkin> but it'll have some new so far "unpublished" changes
13:22:18 <Chapayev> oh i see
13:22:27 <Napkin> but i think that's cool actually :)
13:22:40 <Chapayev> like what changes?
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13:30:21 <doy> so what are people thinking... are we going to need to delay the release a bit longer to do some more rebalancing?
13:32:44 <ixtli> anyone know where the ASSERT() fxn/macro is defined?
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13:37:45 <Napkin> erm - could it be that dark grey and bright white got exchanged in master?
13:38:08 <Napkin> everything that's supposed to be dark grey is bright white now
13:39:07 <by> ixtli: debug.h
13:39:15 <doy> heh
13:39:17 <Napkin> by?
13:39:18 <ixtli> by: ty
13:39:24 <doy> Napkin: probably that revert that greensnark accidentally pushed
13:39:25 <Napkin> could you check that for me, please?
13:39:47 <Napkin> because i'm installing dungeon sprint right now and wouldn't like to publish it like this :-O
13:40:30 <Napkin> ok, i'll check for an update
13:40:35 <greensnark> The revert fixes use_fake_cursor :P
13:40:36 <by> master seems fine here, but this may depend on terminal settings?
13:40:40 <greensnark> Although I didn't mean to push it :P
13:40:48 <Napkin> it's CDO
13:41:02 <doy> yes
13:41:03 <Napkin> terminal setting as always
13:41:09 <doy> it's dependent on the terminal in some way
13:41:23 <doy> i couldn't see it when running locally
13:41:30 <doy> but could see it when running through cdo
13:41:44 <doy> (when i pulled that into 0.6 for a minute or two
13:41:45 <doy> )
13:41:48 <by> maybe the reverted change relied on the previous         // Spellcasting is cheaper early on, and elementals hinder each // other.
13:41:53 <by> oops
13:42:00 <by> e9e87715
13:42:03 <doy> by: yeah, probably
13:42:07 <doy> there were two commits
13:44:33 <greensnark> Why does it affect only CDO though?
13:44:38 <doy> no idea
13:44:44 <greensnark> terminfo differences perhaps?
13:44:49 <doy> that's my guess
13:45:26 <Napkin> you can see it live on CDO
13:45:36 <Napkin> press the hidden 5 when logged in
13:45:39 <Napkin> sssh!
13:46:17 <greensnark> Dungeon Sprint?
13:46:22 <Napkin> greensnark? how do we add an exception to Gretell to announce death even if <= 100 turns when the message comes from dungeon sprint?
13:46:23 <greensnark> Darkgrey looks darkgrey to me
13:46:39 <Napkin> I already see it at char selection
13:46:43 <greensnark> Does Sprint set appropriate version and stuff?
13:47:04 <Napkin> everything that's supposed to be darkgrey is bold-white
13:47:04 <greensnark> Char selection also looks normal to me
13:47:19 <Napkin> wtf?!
13:47:37 <greensnark> TERM=xterm-256color though :P
13:47:39 <doy> looks normal here too
13:47:41 <greensnark> What TERM do you use?
13:47:54 <Napkin> xterm
13:48:11 <greensnark> The change is still on CDO, right?
13:48:11 <doy> aha
13:48:22 <doy> the issue only happens when i connect inside a tmux window
13:48:35 <doy> Napkin: are you inside screen?
13:48:40 <Napkin> no
13:48:40 <greensnark> I see it with TERM=xterm
13:48:57 <greensnark> The freed slave commit also looks suspicious :P
13:49:01 <doy> so yes, terminfo-related i guess
13:49:17 <Napkin> sorry, no time anymore
13:49:20 <Napkin> will check later
13:49:24 <Napkin> please fix :-*
13:49:25 <Napkin> :)
13:50:03 <greensnark> libunix is trying to init_pair 64
13:50:11 <greensnark> which is not correct if COLOR_PAIRS=64
13:50:47 <doy> aha
13:50:50 <doy> that would explain it
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13:51:20 <greensnark> Did freed slaves have bogus colouring?
13:51:33 <doy> shrug
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13:51:45 <doy> can check on 0.6
13:51:53 <doy> i didn't pull any of those commits in
13:51:59 <Napkin> yes, setting TERM=xterm-256color shows colors correctly
13:52:11 <greensnark> Oh, I think the bug involves the default neutral branding interacting with freed slave WHITE colour
13:52:18 <greensnark> I'm just going to revert the freed slave commit as well
13:52:41 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r07ab23ddaf93 10/crawl-ref/source/tilesdl.cc: For non-ego ponderous armour, use ponderous brand tile.
13:52:42 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r93513b1b0f57 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Replace demon pentagram icons with smaller designs.
13:52:45 <greensnark> hilight: brands were always screwy, but that's an unrelated bug
13:55:12 <Napkin> hihi, I see this sprint will be fun :D
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13:56:20 <doy> Napkin: can i try out dungeon sprint, or should i hold off for a little bit?
13:56:28 <greensnark> Napkin: Why are you reading the manual :P
13:56:35 <Napkin> haha
13:56:49 <Napkin> new apts!
13:57:10 <greensnark> Allez, we're waiting
13:57:17 <greensnark> To see your glorious death
13:57:19 <greensnark> On D:1
13:57:21 <greensnark> To Tiaat
13:57:25 <greensnark> *Tiamat
13:57:34 <greensnark> Hurry up, I need to go to bed soon :P
13:57:51 <Napkin> we need that gretell exception :D
13:58:08 <greensnark> Gretell doesn't check xl, right?
13:58:18 <Napkin> Ijyb will get many kills :D
13:58:26 <Napkin> no - turns only, i think
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14:00:45 <greensnark> How do we check for Sprint
14:00:52 <CIA-40> 03greensnark * r8eaa93a4a098 10/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc: Revert "Fix an off-by-1 error which broke freed slave coloring."
14:02:23 <greensnark> Best thing seems to be to set lv=0.1-sprint or similar
14:02:45 <greensnark> And then Gretell can check for that
14:03:06 <greensnark> Napkin: Want to change that? I don't know how to change Sprint
14:03:31 <greensnark> !coffee Napkin
14:03:31 * Henzell hands Napkin a cup of café au lait, brewed by Snorg.
14:03:54 <greensnark> For some reason Napkin keeps getting café au lait
14:07:26 <doy> greensnark: so, how are balance things looking at the moment?
14:08:15 <greensnark> Nothing really critical for 0.6 as far as I know
14:08:35 <greensnark> EV is probably too strong, ranged combat likewise, but they could use some more playtesting data
14:08:49 <doy> okay
14:08:53 <doy> how about shoals?
14:09:05 <greensnark> Shoals is fine as is, maybe a bit too easy
14:09:34 <greensnark> But difficulty is pretty comparable to Snake and some of the Swamp endings
14:09:55 <greensnark> Kraken are lame though :P
14:10:10 <greensnark> No easy fixes for kraken, so they'll have to wait
14:10:24 <doy> k
14:10:40 <doy> i wonder if it might be worth trying to alternate focuses for releases
14:10:52 <doy> so hold off on major gameplay type changes until 0.8
14:11:03 <doy> and just get stuff working well in 0.7
14:11:21 <doy> maybe focus more on the interface or something like that
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14:11:46 <dpeg> doy: yes, I agree with that
14:11:46 <Henzell> dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
14:11:56 <dpeg> People have too much time on their hands.
14:11:58 <dpeg> !messages
14:11:59 <Henzell> (1/3) Chapayev said (5h 15m 19s ago): Sure, I can apply the Dungeon Sprint patches to whatever version of Crawl you like, just tell me where to download it--I haven't taken the time to figure out how version control works for Crawl now that it's using git.
14:12:04 <dpeg> !messages
14:12:05 <Henzell> (1/2) bhaak said (3h 23m 19s ago): new metric for popularity: amount of talk about competitors. the less talk the more popular the game is :-D
14:12:15 <greensnark> Would that mean feature freeze on master, or a no-new-feature branch?
14:12:15 <dpeg> bhaak: :P
14:12:17 <dpeg> !messages
14:12:17 <Henzell> (1/1) Chapayev said (2h 39m 53s ago): With Napkin's help, I made Sprint based on master instead of based on 0.5.2; it's now got its own branch on git.
14:12:21 <dpeg> Yay!
14:12:23 <doy> maybe just get something started where even numbers are gameplay releases and odd numbered are non-gameplay releases
14:12:39 <dpeg> doy: don't think that's necessary at this point.
14:13:16 <dpeg> Don't we release tomorrow?
14:13:34 <greensnark> Hehe
14:13:47 <dpeg> greensnark said so!
14:13:49 <greensnark> German humour :P
14:13:58 <Keskitalo> Like add nice stuff vs balance?
14:14:02 <greensnark> I just nailed a date you named on the wall to hurry stuff up :P
14:14:08 <Keskitalo> Oops, in the middle of backlog.
14:15:16 <doy> i'm currently thinking about prerelease (everything completely finished up) on march 8, actual release on march 15 assuming no serious bugs turn up
14:15:45 <greensnark> Sounds good
14:15:59 <Keskitalo> Yeah, does.
14:16:14 <greensnark> What are the vital missing pieces?
14:16:29 <greensnark> The wiki claims it's all done, but are the trove fixes in?
14:16:32 <dpeg> nuffink
14:17:52 <doy> greensnark: i just sent an email to the list
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14:19:17 <greensnark> Is sprint in the SF repo now?
14:19:22 <greensnark> Or only on develz
14:19:55 <greensnark> Looks like it's only on develz
14:20:02 <doy> greensnark: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20100227193608.GL11516%40tozt.net&forum_name=crawl-ref-discuss
14:20:31 <greensnark> Ah, I thought you sent a new mail just now
14:20:40 <greensnark> Jiyva piety was fixed, right
14:20:44 <doy> yeah
14:20:50 <greensnark> So we have tiles umlauts and trove + wizlab
14:21:11 <greensnark> Tiles umlauts are obviously punishment for crazy Germans and Finns who want to play tiles!
14:21:18 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r1344c7a20959 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_travel.cc): In autofight.lua, check for traversable features.
14:21:19 <doy> (:
14:21:19 <greensnark> Can we call that a feature?
14:21:20 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * rc88f1cf6e584 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_moninf.cc): Use mons_is_safe check for autofight.lua.
14:21:22 <CIA-40> 03due 07stone_soup-0.6 * r0e454a0b317c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-act.cc mon-util.cc): Give efreeti flame trails. (#968).
14:21:24 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r032107522994 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Fix #969: Nessos not firing his bow.
14:21:26 <CIA-40> 03pointless_ 07stone_soup-0.6 * rcb108ad0c0d1 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc: Fix occasional crashes when updating mpane with zombies in view
14:21:26 <Enne> Aw, poor umlauts.
14:21:28 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r615de78c3adc 10/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt: Clarify autofight.lua documentation.
14:21:29 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * rfead1099b7f9 10/crawl-ref/docs/ (changelog.txt options_guide.txt tiles_help.txt): Further documentation of tile_runrest_rate.
14:21:30 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r763a0411d038 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-dngn.txt: Add more placeholders for yet to-be-added portal vault entry tiles.
14:21:33 <CIA-40> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.6 * r0be7ee45d73f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Remove kraken handicap in shallow water.
14:21:34 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * rc10212c7c141 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Fix wizlab portal description (missing space).
14:21:35 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * redff9f4edd9d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (misc.cc mon-info.cc mon-info.h): Add monster_info::m_is_safe storing result of mons_is_safe.
14:21:37 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * r61da74c04e4b 10/crawl-ref/source/l_moninf.cc: Export monster_info::is_safe to Lua.
14:21:39 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * r27ea066b24ed 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_moninf.cc): Revert "Use mons_is_safe check for autofight.lua."
14:21:40 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * rc7e94a91aae1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: autofight.lua: Use monster_info::is_safe.
14:21:42 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * rf3eaa3fec6ea 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: autofight.lua: Clarify failure message (no unsafe monsters).
14:21:45 <CIA-40> 03by 07stone_soup-0.6 * rba2b9e05d678 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Make slouch not affect sleeping monsters. [951]
14:21:46 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r4cb08c41a363 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-act.cc monster.cc monster.h): Fix deep elf fighters etc. never starting with a bow.
14:21:47 <CIA-40> 03N78291 07stone_soup-0.6 * rd863afd3c673 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Fix excessive Jiyva piety gain
14:21:48 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r3195fa6d2ea4 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Don't guarantee Jiyva piety gain 1 when jelly's eat items of low value.
14:21:51 <CIA-40> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.6 * rf1ad5b1887c4 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-height.cc: Use better islanding for atolls.
14:21:52 <CIA-40> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.6 * r65a4e211e1a3 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Increase speed for kraken and tentacles (dpeg).
14:21:55 <CIA-40> 03greensnark 07stone_soup-0.6 * r4d0dd2096c37 10/crawl-ref/source/ (stash.cc stash.h): stash_filter now affects only ^F search; filtered items are still remembered by the stash tracker.
14:21:56 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * r9872b1e3342f 10/crawl-ref/source/tilesdl.cc: For non-ego ponderous armour, use ponderous brand tile.
14:21:57 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.6 * rb0b15b1a11b6 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Replace demon pentagram icons with smaller designs.
14:26:49 * sorear glares at greensnark\
14:26:53 <sorear> so
14:27:02 <sorear> we have 63 color pairs
14:27:24 <sorear> greensnark isn't willing to drop support for broken curses that only support 63, so we need to only use 63
14:27:50 <sorear> there are 8x8 = 64 color combinations potentially used by Crawl
14:27:59 <sorear> one of these needs to get the short end of the stick
14:28:02 <greensnark> Highlights are not really valid color combinations
14:28:08 <greensnark> They get the short end of the stick :P
14:28:25 <greensnark> Especially darkgrey highlights :P
14:28:41 <doy> it's not "broken curses", it's "8 color terminals", isn't it?
14:29:18 <doy> or is the issue that "default" takes up one of the color pair slots
14:29:24 <sorear> doy: COLOR_PAIR(0) is unusable and means 'no change'; if the curses worked properly COLOR_PAIRS = 65
14:29:29 <sorear> for 8 color
14:30:03 <sorear> I could probably do something evil and make lightgrey-on-black the black sheep
14:30:04 <doy> sorear: well... i don't know that we can just say "the default ncurses that most systems have is broken, deal with it"
14:30:07 <doy> d:
14:30:29 <sorear> doy: oh, I thought this was develz-specific
14:30:40 <sorear> it doesn't affect local testing from the same $TERM
14:30:54 <greensnark> I could see it local with TERM=xterm
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14:31:11 <doy> yeah, i think it depends on if you're using an 8-bit terminfo
14:31:28 <greensnark> This is a Mac, and its terminfo db is a bletcherous mess
14:31:31 <doy> s/bit/color/
14:31:52 <doy> i haven't looked into it locally though
14:32:05 <sorear> I'd love to fix this, but I can't repro it
14:32:27 <doy> Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.6.0-a2-472-gb0b15b1 (16.6)
14:32:39 <CIA-40> 03Enne * r1d2570ce72b8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (defines.h tilesdl.cc tilesdl.h): Fix targeting mode performance issues in tiles.
14:32:41 <CIA-40> 03Enne * r706e8edee123 10/crawl-ref/source/tilesdl.cc: Add a maximum FPS rate limiter for tiles.
14:32:44 <CIA-40> 03Enne * rcba1b3d1064e 10/crawl-ref/docs/ (FAQ.html tiles_help.txt): Update tiles documentation about lag issues.
14:33:11 <greensnark> sorear: I'll take a look at it sometime, I've put it on my todo
14:34:01 <sorear> oh, thanks
14:34:20 <sorear> might want to investigate whether we can safely use COLOR_PAIR(0) for lightgrey on black
14:34:28 <sorear> if so, this can be done much nicer
14:35:45 <syllogism> no dungeon sprint yet?
14:35:57 <greensnark> COLOR_PAIRS is definitely 64 here
14:37:32 <greensnark> Sleep calls, but once Sprint is up we should hook up FooTV to find Sprint ttyrecs as well
14:38:50 <dpeg> Haha, testing MDFi and only Oki is missing after finding the Temple.
14:41:14 <Napkin> reeee!
14:41:27 <Napkin> greensnark, sounds like a nice idea :)
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14:47:30 <Cryp71c> Afternoon
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14:48:33 <Napkin> how do I add lv=0.1-sprint, greensnark?
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14:52:27 <Napkin> anyone? how do I set 0.1-sprint in the milestone/logfile?
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14:58:28 <DrPraetor> In demon form, your unarmed attacks should have the *chaos brand*.  Why didn't I think of this earlier?
14:58:52 <Cryp71c> There's a demon form..?
14:58:59 <doy> what?
14:59:21 <DrPraetor> http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:feedback:magic:school:transmutation
14:59:24 <DrPraetor> There should be.
15:00:23 <Eronarn> DrPraetor: this is not necessarily a good idea
15:00:33 <Eronarn> i have proposed both a chaos spawn form and a demon form at different points
15:01:00 <Eronarn> chaos is fine for the former, not fine for the latter (more demons are not-chaotic than chaotic)
15:01:42 <DrPraetor> Some demons *are* chaotic, and shape-shifting is chaotic.
15:01:49 <DrPraetor> Also I named the spell "Chaos Channels", so...
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15:02:04 <doy> demons in general aren't chaotic
15:02:16 <DrPraetor> Most of them are evil, IIRC.
15:02:17 <Cryp71c> Yeah, I have to agree. Demons != Chaotic
15:02:21 <Cryp71c> Evil != Chaotic
15:02:23 <sorear> &12345 is lawful evil
15:02:34 <DrPraetor> *All* of them?
15:02:34 <sorear> ER is chaotic
15:02:35 <doy> (except chaos spawns)
15:02:46 <Cryp71c> sorear, ER?
15:02:50 <Cryp71c> doy, ofc
15:02:51 <TGW1> glyphs
15:02:51 <TGW1> ER
15:02:52 <Cryp71c> :P
15:02:54 <sorear> efreeti and rakshasa
15:02:54 <DrPraetor> Efreets and Rakshasas.
15:02:56 <Cryp71c> ah, right.
15:03:00 <sorear> chaos spawns ought to be moved to a letter
15:03:04 <TGW1> except... efreeti aren't E
15:03:06 <doy> E is elementals now
15:03:06 <TGW1> but yeah
15:03:10 <doy> just R
15:03:16 <sorear> if they have a rank in the heirarchy of demonkind, they're lawful
15:03:25 <DrPraetor> Well, chaos channels could I suppose turn you into an R instead of into a 1.
15:03:37 <sorear> quasits too, imo
15:03:56 <syllogism> greensnark: wake up, I want to try dungeon sprint :P
15:04:04 <Cryp71c> sorear, so for .6 are DS getting the revert? I thought I saw that somewhere
15:04:31 <DrPraetor> Anyway, it doesn't much matter, because at Summ/Tmut 9, no-one would cast this spell except as a joke.
15:04:35 <sorear> Cryp71c: not are, have
15:04:57 <Eronarn> sorear: i am not sure i agree with using those glyphs to mean lawfulness, simply because what'll happen if we ever add DS as 6 and have a chaos heritage?
15:05:05 <Cryp71c> sorear, right, does CDO represent trunk, or the .6 release line?
15:05:18 <syllogism> 0.6 right now
15:05:29 <DrPraetor> But the medium-range spells would get cast, so if people like them I will code them up...
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15:06:20 <Eronarn> one of these days i will go finish up that spell reform proposal on the wiki
15:06:48 <Cryp71c> sorear, was thinking of trying to get back into helping out with the DS, if there was something I could actually assist with.
15:06:54 <Cryp71c> not for .6, of course, but for the .7 line
15:07:02 <Cryp71c> or whenever they're looking to be released
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15:11:08 <Napkin> could anyone help me please to set 0.1-sprint in the milestone/logfile for dungeon sprint?
15:11:22 <Napkin> *lv=0.1-sprint
15:12:24 <Eronarn> what even needs to be done for DS, at this point
15:13:48 <CIA-40> 03Enne * r59508909b02a 10/crawl-ref/source/tiletex.cc: [941] Fix tiles issue with umlauts in the path.
15:14:04 <dpeg> Eronarn: for 0.6? Nothing, I think.
15:14:33 <Eronarn> dpeg: i mean for the new DS changes
15:15:05 <doy> need to implement the new mutations
15:15:57 <dpeg> Eronarn: same status as before
15:16:08 <dpeg> new DS mutations (design, code, testing)
15:16:21 <Cryp71c> how far back were DS reverted for the .6 line? all the way to .5.2?
15:16:29 <dpeg> yes, I think so
15:16:34 <Cryp71c> k, thought so.
15:16:45 <syllogism> yes, though some mutations use hp instead of mp
15:16:52 <dpeg> syllogism: nice
15:16:56 <syllogism> and passive mapping is in
15:17:09 <Cryp71c> Several mutations also need to be removed (blink, tele) and scales need to be reworked (not only to provide variety, but to fix RNG as well)
15:17:30 <Cryp71c> But those can't be removed until several more are added, the DS Mut pool is already pretty shallow
15:17:46 <dpeg> Cryp71c: yes
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15:23:20 <Cryp71c> I - personally - would love to see tail, talons, and teeth mutations added as slot-consuming facets (except teeth and tail wouldn't actually consume a slot, obviously)
15:24:46 <Eronarn> Cryp71c: then why are they 'added as slot-consuming facets'?
15:25:16 <Cryp71c> Eronarn, because a Horn 3 Tail 3 Talon 3 DS is problematic for balance.
15:25:35 <Cryp71c> Adding them as slot-consuming facets means a max of 1 of them
15:26:11 <Eronarn> why is it problematic for balance any more than any other combination of useless mutations
15:26:12 <doy> the slot is a pretty important part of the reason that it's restricted to 1
15:27:05 <sorear> we can always add ad-hoc exclusion rules
15:27:09 <dpeg> horn 3 is not that bad
15:27:16 <sorear> like how fire and ice are opposed
15:27:19 <dpeg> and if the additional UC damage is good enough...
15:27:24 <doy> the reasoning behind that was to ensure that all demonspawn lose exactly one slot by xl27
15:27:35 <sorear> well, the problem is that not everyone benefits from added UC
15:28:02 <doy> sure, but i don't think that's a big deal
15:28:19 <doy> not everyone benefits from a lot of ds mutations
15:28:28 <sorear> point
15:28:33 <Eronarn> the correct answer here is to treat not-slot-consuming unarmed attacks the same way as scales - a minor, early mutation
15:28:48 <Cryp71c> Right, the means by which we implement those extra slot-taking mutations is irrelevant (we can put them in as ad-hoc exclusions or whatever)
15:28:51 <Eronarn> or make them very brutal ones that kick in at higher levels
15:28:55 <DrPraetor> Does maxwell's silver hammer still endow weapons with Crushing, or does it make them silver now?
15:29:08 <Eronarn> 'you have a tremendous shark jaw' doing huge biting damage or the like
15:29:27 <DrPraetor> 'you are hung like a barnyard animal' gives you a low damage secondary attack.
15:29:44 <dpeg> sorear: as I see it, the DS mutations are about strategic flexibilty, so if for some reason your DS turns out to be good at UC, you may want to adapt.
15:29:55 <Cryp71c> Eronarn, Having only horns and claws as UC muts is very plain, uninteresting, and very non-random. Adding in 3 more UC muts that are weak doesn't help the variety of the first problem.
15:30:20 <Eronarn> Cryp71c: ...what's non-random about that?
15:30:45 <dpeg> I want horns, hooves, tails for thematic reasons alone.
15:30:48 <Eronarn> or, oh, you mean as the only available ones, not the only ones on a character
15:30:51 <Eronarn> nevermind
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15:30:58 <Cryp71c> Eronarn, you're gauranteed either Horns or Claws as a DS, (since you're gauranteed to have 1 slot-removing mutation andt hose 2 are the only ones presently implemented)
15:31:08 <Napkin> *** Dungeon Sprint - now available at CDO ***
15:31:14 <dpeg> Napkin: yay
15:31:20 <Eronarn> right, there should be more slot loss ones
15:31:24 <Eronarn> i have a list somewhere
15:31:27 <Cryp71c> dpeg, would also <3 seeing talons as an alternative to hooves
15:31:27 <dpeg> There are proposals.
15:31:35 <Eronarn> i'd like to see 2 per slot
15:31:36 <dpeg> Cryp71c: on DS?
15:31:38 <Cryp71c> yeah they're all on the DS brainstorming Wiki
15:31:43 <Cryp71c> dpeg, eh, maybe.
15:31:46 <dpeg> I imagine my DS to be like a demon or devil, not like a bird.
15:32:12 <Napkin> Das nehme ich den devs hier übel, mich danach wuseln zu lassen, wie ich den doofen milestone/logfile Eintrag für Dungeon Sprint modifiere, dpeg
15:32:12 <doy> there are bird-like demons
15:32:13 <Cryp71c> I imagine talons to be more demonic than hooves
15:32:20 <Eronarn> i think it went something like... horns/antennae (head), wings/tail (cloak), hooves/talons (boots), claws/tentacles (gloves)
15:32:30 <doy> Cryp71c: hooves are very canonically demonic
15:32:43 <Napkin> *modifiziere
15:32:52 <doy> (but so are talons)
15:32:54 <Eronarn> there are also way to lose slots that are not strictly changes to form
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15:33:08 <Cryp71c> doy, oh really? I would've thought talons (not bird-like talons, but long-nailed feet-like talons) were more *typically* demonesque
15:33:13 <sorear> Eronarn: I'd be interested in seeing some of these on the wiki
15:33:16 <Eronarn> like acid dripping hands
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15:33:43 <Eronarn> sorear: yeah, i have 'em in writing but there's a lot to transcribe
15:33:56 <sorear> Cryp71c: Satan is canonically a man-goat with horns, hooves, and a tail.  Can you get more typically demonic?
15:34:44 <dpeg> Napkin: I hätte was gesagt, wenn ich irgendeinen Schimmer gehabt hätte :/
15:35:28 <Cryp71c> perhaps, I guess its just me and an innate feeling that grotesque talons are more 'demony' than hooves :(
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15:35:38 <Napkin> Mehr als alle 10 minuten fragen ist schon peinlich...
15:35:48 <Napkin> grrr... wuff!
15:36:26 <Cryp71c> sorear, could also do body-muts that don't provide UC damage, but some other sensory gain, eg a head slot mutation which gives improved sight / hearing
15:36:38 <Napkin> But seems to be accepted well, dpeg
15:36:46 <Napkin> :)
15:36:56 <dpeg> Cryp71c: yes
15:37:01 <dpeg> Cryp71c: add to the DS wiki page
15:37:03 <Eronarn> There are a lot of types of demons out there
15:37:07 <dpeg> it needs more help
15:39:03 <Eronarn> 'Your legs trail away into a mass of swarming tentacles'
15:39:08 <doy> hmmm, that bug with wand of disintegration death messages still exists, it seems
15:40:42 <Eronarn> aw, nobody cares about my jiyva muts :(
15:42:27 <dpeg> Eronarn: that's probably not correct.
15:44:45 <Eronarn> dpeg: it's been like a month with one comment :)
15:46:04 <dpeg> Eronarn: need to add a little bit after a while, just to push it
15:50:02 <Eronarn> yeah, i have been working on other stuff
15:50:08 <Eronarn> i am going to be doing a 7DRL :)
15:50:29 <dpeg> cool
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15:50:36 <dpeg> can you say something about the setting?
15:50:55 <Eronarn> possibly, american politics (not yet 100%)
15:54:10 <TGW1> you're insane
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15:56:15 <Eronarn> TGW: All the btter for the subject matter.
15:56:41 <dpeg> yes, we need more madness and insanity and wackiness
15:59:22 <doy> ballistomycete room is evil ):
16:00:42 <dpeg> yes
16:01:00 <doy> can't sacrifice corpses that are sitting on altars
16:01:02 <doy> kinda annoying
16:01:03 <doy> (:
16:01:32 <TGW> good thing that never happens
16:06:07 <doy> unseen horror room?
16:06:08 <doy> wow
16:06:09 <doy> (:
16:06:39 <doy> second place!
16:07:21 <TGW> I think "fruit" should turn something up
16:07:25 <TGW> for ^F
16:08:14 <dpeg> doy: my game crashed :/
16:08:21 <doy> aw
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16:09:12 <doy> syllogism: how did you even get a defe started?
16:09:34 <dpeg> doy: XL 11 :/
16:10:29 <syllogism> doy: I berserkered ijyb :P
16:10:38 <bmh> syllogism: chaos brand?
16:10:42 <doy> syllogism: ah, heh
16:10:51 <bmh> I got killed by Saint Roka that way
16:10:54 <syllogism> bmh: talking about dungeon sprint variant, quaffed !oBerserk
16:11:05 <bmh> ah-ha.
16:11:15 <bmh> Is anyone running Dungeon Sprint on a server?
16:11:21 <dpeg> yes, CDO
16:11:32 <bmh> oh, great!
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16:12:25 <bmh> oh wow.
16:13:49 <bmh> Is the Jelly really necessary...
16:13:58 <doy> pshh
16:14:02 <doy> the jelly is the easy part
16:14:06 <doy> just getting warmed up
16:14:12 <bmh> I meant that it's annoying
16:14:38 <dpeg> no, not really
16:14:57 <bmh> What's a good race/class for this?
16:15:05 <doy> trbe seems to be popular
16:15:07 <doy> or ddbe
16:15:25 <dpeg> casters are much harder
16:15:29 <doy> yes
16:15:35 <doy> no room to maneuver
16:15:45 <TGW> are the walls rock?
16:16:24 <TGW> someone should do one with subvaults
16:18:48 <dpeg> TGW: D:1 is an entry level for Sprint :)
16:18:54 <TGW> yeah
16:19:08 <TGW> ijyb has poly? come on :[
16:21:33 <bmh> SpAs does well
16:24:03 <bmh> oops.... giant spores
16:34:15 <doy> @??elephant slug
16:34:15 <Gretell> elephant slug (15j) | Speed: 4 | HD: 20 | Health: 100-160 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Damage: 40 | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 464.
16:36:50 <by> no random altars, so no che?
16:37:04 <bmh> I've seen che
16:37:30 <by> oh, good; just saw two Oka altars in the first room, so I thought they were predefined
16:40:55 <bmh> I just got a crash in DungeonSprint
16:41:12 <doy> need to get a high score board running
16:45:12 <dpeg> bmh: yes, I also got one. May need to use 0.5.2 instead of 0.6.
16:47:26 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r8af10a5d24d5 10/crawl-ref/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Allow using alternate (system) fonts as build #defines.
16:47:28 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r0b16239deb69 10/crawl-ref/source/AppHdr.h: ... and allow using shipped fonts.
16:47:30 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r75d66ecdd9c6 10/crawl-ref/debian/rules: Don't do dirty hacks with symlinks, patch the source instead.
16:47:30 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r5a64260a354f 10/crawl-ref/debian/rules: Don't ship the MT19937 license, it's already in debian/copyright.
16:47:35 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * ree7e51791a2e 10/crawl-ref/debian/rules: .des files were moved to dat/des/, adjust the tiles split accordingly.
16:47:39 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r8cd304eb4043 10/crawl-ref/ (.gitignore debian/changelog debian/source/format): Convert to the 3.0 (quilt) source format.
16:47:39 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r4ba1cfad9aa8 10/crawl-ref/source/prebuilt/ (levcomp.lex.cc levcomp.tab.cc levcomp.tab.h): Delete prebuilt/ yacc files from git, they get mangled by package-source too much.
16:47:45 <CIA-40> 03kilobyte 07debian * r05b6a3e8c02a 10/crawl-ref/debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add a FreeDesktop (Gnome/KDE) menu entry.
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16:49:36 <kilobyte> doy: could you please cherry-pick 0533438f^ and its brown paper bag follow-up 0533438f?
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16:54:40 <Chapayev> hey, was anything changed about how the orb of zot is marked in .des files in trunk?
16:54:55 <Napkin> We have an Orb-is-missing situation - please help :)
16:55:11 <Chapayev> sprint doesn't seem to be generating the orb of zot since i changed it to be based on master rather than 0.5.2--in 0.5.2 it generated okay
16:56:11 <kilobyte> there's no magic glyph anymore, you put it like any other item
16:56:27 <Chapayev> ah, that's the problem :(
16:56:37 <Chapayev> KITEM: Z = orb of zot?
16:57:00 <kilobyte> yeah
16:57:10 <Chapayev> Napkin: how should we handle this?
16:57:28 <Chapayev> Napkin: actually all this really needs is one line added to entry.des
16:57:43 <Napkin> in private message :)
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16:58:29 <dpeg> Chapayev: yes
16:58:48 <dpeg> someone is already at the Orb?
16:59:32 <Chapayev> dpeg: yeah, n78291 got to where the orb should be, but it isn't there due to this change frmo 0.5.2 to master
17:02:03 <dpeg> Chapayev: whar combo?
17:02:30 <st_> DSBe
17:02:37 <dpeg> awesome
17:07:25 <DrPraetor> I'm bored.  Someone read my new form proposals.
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17:13:29 <kilobyte> DrPraetor: it's mostly good, but it seriously suffers from Tm being married to unarmed only
17:13:57 <kilobyte> since most forms operate using UC, ones which expect weapons will be left out
17:14:39 <Eronarn> DrPraetor: did you read my current form/morph proposals?
17:15:27 <kilobyte> theme-wise, unarmed doesn't make any sense for most weaponless forms too.  Human body is a very specific weapon, it has nothing to do to using teeth and tails.
17:16:06 <DrPraetor> Eronarn - probably not.
17:16:26 <DrPraetor> @kilobyte - yeah, that's not something I'm going to touch.  You're a "martial artist" so your "spider style" works fine in spider form.
17:16:53 <DrPraetor> @kilobyte - all of these forms are at least as good as spider form in UC, just some of them benefit weapons as well.
17:17:14 <DrPraetor> Eronarn, have you moved it to the wiki, or is it in an RFE somewhere?
17:18:28 <DrPraetor> Oh, also, Charge Body (for example) is only 4th level.  As I have it written up, it could be castable by a, for example, crusader or air reaver pretty easily, and they'd love it.
17:18:54 <Ashenzari> Ozocub's Armour duration ends if you put on light armour (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=982) by marcmagus
17:21:20 <kilobyte> you are skilled using hands and kicks, not mandibles
17:21:39 <kilobyte> Short Blades are closer than UC to that
17:22:48 <Eronarn> DrPraetor: if you search for 'immense' on the wiki, you will find the page
17:22:53 <DrPraetor> Is Fedhas still a tool about necromancy?
17:22:57 <TGW> no
17:23:15 <bmh> Sprint got pulled from CDO?
17:23:15 <Eronarn> it has a Lot Of Spells
17:24:12 <Chapayev> bmh: napkin is applying a patch i just sent him, to fix a bug in sprint
17:24:16 <bmh> ah-ha
17:26:03 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas
17:26:04 <Henzell> fedhas[1/6]: Abilities: decomposition - turns corpses in LOS into skeletons, turns zombies into skeletons (or destroys them), destroys ghoul genus monsters for piety gain, causes toadstools to grow; evolution - turn plants or fungi into stronger species. upgrading fungi costs piety, upgrading plants costs fruit
17:26:22 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas[2]
17:26:23 <Henzell> fedhas[2/6]: sunlight - illuminates a small aoe inflicting backlit status and evaporating water; growth - creates plants in a circle around you, costs 1 fruit per plant, if a complete circle can't be placed plants are placed on open squares closest to monsters; reproduction - spawn giant spores from corpses in LOS
17:26:33 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas[3]
17:26:34 <Henzell> fedhas[3/6]: rain - creates a circle of water around you, the floor becomes shallow wtaer, shallow water becomes deep water, ranodmly spawns plants and fungus
17:26:37 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas[4]
17:26:37 <Henzell> fedhas[4/6]: Fedhas worshipers can walk through plants. Fedhas worshipers may shoot through friendly or neutral plants. Plants and fungi are neutral towards Fedhas worshipers
17:26:41 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas[5]
17:26:42 <Henzell> fedhas[5/6]: Yes, this includes the massive spore overrun in master.  5000 giant spores isn't a problem for a Fedhasite!
17:26:47 <DrPraetor> ??fedhas[6]
17:26:47 <Henzell> fedhas[6/6]: WOOD FOR THE WOOD GOD!
17:27:39 <DrPraetor> There was no Makhleb altar in the temple.  Is one guaranteed?
17:29:19 <dpeg> DrPraetor: yes
17:30:37 <CIA-40> 03by * r522c0f9efb60 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Split _exercise2 up a little.
17:30:38 <CIA-40> 03by * ra0ff2488645a 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Simplify crosstraining checks.
17:30:40 <CIA-40> 03by * rf41d3d46e1c7 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Some clarifying comments and safer range checking.
17:30:42 <CIA-40> 03by * r960b81b118b5 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Further _exercise2 cleanup.
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17:31:20 <Eifeltrampel> hi
17:32:07 <due> Morn.
17:33:29 <due> greensnark: TGW wanted an Octopus King wizlab but I vetoed the idea.
17:33:38 <due> There's no indication that Octopus King is actually a Wizard.
17:34:12 <due> And I was avoiding non-magical maps.
17:35:16 <Napkin> *** Dungeon Sprint is back! - Please re-login to DGL if the menu is missing ***
17:38:19 <TGW> hi due
17:39:22 <due> Enne: I'm going to assign #975 to you, if that's okay, I'm not sure how to fix it myself an don't have time to sit down and go through it. :)
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17:50:20 <due> Heyrob.
17:50:36 <by_> hi due
17:52:59 <bmh> phew1
17:53:22 <bmh> I just stabbed Sonja to death and got a dagger of distortion
18:10:29 <doy> hmmm
18:10:30 <doy> Shot with a shadowy arrow by a centaur warrior
18:10:43 <doy> that should probably be "Shot with an arrow of reaping"
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18:14:42 <bmh> grr.. I have to start scum Dungeon Sprint
18:14:58 <bmh> if I can stab Iyjb, the Ogre and Sigmund, it's all over.
18:15:01 <bmh> can't
18:15:15 <doy> good thing that takes all of quite literally 5 seconds
18:15:43 <bmh> it's still a pain in the butt
18:15:58 <doy> pretty sure this game isn't really meant to be balanced in this sense
18:15:59 <doy> (:
18:17:55 <Chapayev> yeah i thought about that but decided not to worry
18:19:38 <Chapayev> part of the point of sprint is that it's easy to make sprint 2, the same style but with a different level to play on, by editing entry.des
18:20:00 <Chapayev> so maybe people who care about strictly avoiding startscumming can worry about how to accomplish that in the design of the level
18:20:22 <doy> "startscumming" has very little meaning in a game that lasts like 10 minutes tops
18:20:31 <Chapayev> yeah, there's that too, i guess
18:21:30 <bmh> whoa
18:21:32 <bmh> wand of digging
18:21:36 <bmh> this should make things... bizarre
18:23:14 <doy> why do ghouls not start with any of the extra equipment
18:23:46 <Chapayev> doy: what extra equipment?
18:23:57 <bmh> can digging cut through stone or only rock?
18:24:02 <doy> healing potions, scroll of blinking, potion of berserk, etc
18:24:04 <Chapayev> bmf: only rock
18:24:14 <Chapayev> doy: not sure, they should start with the extra equipment
18:24:21 <Chapayev> doy: as far as i know, i mean
18:24:32 <doy> well... they don't
18:24:33 <doy> (:
18:24:46 <Chapayev> bmh: the level was designed with digging in mind, have fun :)
18:28:55 <bmh> well, I kileld the Lorocyproca.
18:28:58 <bmh> killed, rather
18:29:13 <Ashenzari> Snake names and colors (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=983) by minmay
18:30:34 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * rd9e7be055160 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt: Tiny Xom speech tweak.
18:30:37 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r292af13e3901 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/FAQ.txt: Update FAQ.txt, explain about FAQ2html.pl in introductory comment.
18:30:38 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r423fec0e473b 10/crawl-ref/ (INSTALL.txt source/message.cc): Tweak tutorial's long -More- line.
18:30:39 <CIA-40> 03j-p-e-g * r5902f45a1b3a 10/crawl-ref/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Some more FAQ tweaks, use italics for mentioned txt files in the html.
18:30:54 <Chapayev> there might be multiple lorocyprocas, i don't recall
18:31:34 <bmh> I miss Zot Defense. I got great at cheating at it
18:31:57 <Chapayev> i learned a lot about how not to write code from making zot defense :P
18:31:57 <bmh> I scummed Oklob's, took Nemelex and used tomb to bung up the monster spawn
18:32:08 <bmh> oklobs, rather
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18:55:21 <doy> awesome escape mechanism: blinking towards sonja when surrounded and about to die
18:55:52 <Napkin> I could use some help with perl?
18:55:56 <Napkin> anyone?
18:56:02 <Napkin> to make Gretell spam less
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18:56:45 <doy> sure, what's up?
18:57:08 <sorear> me too
18:58:36 <CIA-40> 03by * r4264026eccca 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Extract discounted throwing skills.
18:58:38 <CIA-40> 03by * re5f7af1132cf 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: _exercise2: clean up handling of fractional learning.
18:58:39 <CIA-40> 03by * r5b2f97eebdc8 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Further _exercise2 cleanup.
18:58:40 <CIA-40> 03by * r956137cf3300 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: _exercise2: rename skill_change to cost.
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19:02:00 <Napkin> ah, type is now uniq instead of unique
19:02:08 <Napkin> enne helped me quickly
19:02:42 <Napkin> at least Ijyb, Sigmund and Sonja are now suppressed :)
19:03:16 <doy> oh, sprint games are being reported as normal in ##crawl?
19:03:18 <doy> heh
19:03:41 <sorear> shows how much attention we play to that place
19:04:00 <doy> well, i haven't been in ##crawl in a while
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19:18:27 <DrPraetor> Killer bees should have the pack hunter AI (like hyenas, etc.)
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19:28:37 <CIA-40> 03by * r9a9b99c793f1 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Restore cross training bonus to 0.3 levels.
19:28:38 <CIA-40> 03by * rb1b62d287b50 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Further _exercise2 cleanup: merge bonus and deg.
19:28:40 <CIA-40> 03by * r2ec70c5e9edd 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Move old_best_skill calculation into _gain_skill_level.
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19:44:55 <due> Napkin: You surpressed Ijyb!? :9
19:47:13 <doy> due: tried out dungeon sprint yet?
19:47:24 <doy> ah, looks like yes
19:47:25 <doy> (:
19:47:26 <due> doy: Just died three times.
19:48:29 <due> Is TrBe the standard?
19:48:48 <doy> 78291 already won with dsbe
19:48:51 <doy> well
19:48:57 <doy> would have won, but there was a bug
19:49:15 <doy> but yeah, most of the high scores are trbe
19:49:26 <doy> i'm having pretty good success with spen
19:50:15 <due> that is totally wicked
19:59:10 <doy> hmmm
19:59:18 <doy> should shaft traps exist?
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20:06:00 <doy> so... oklob plant, wayne smiting, daeva smiting, or deep elf annihilator
20:06:02 <doy> hmmm
20:06:12 <doy> @??oklob plant
20:06:12 <Gretell> oklob plant (09P) | Speed: 10 | HD: 10 | Health: 30-80 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Flags: 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++ | XP: 558.
20:06:18 <doy> no see invis
20:06:26 <doy> that works
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20:12:04 <DrPraetor> Is Zot Defense going to be updated?  That was neat, I liked it.  But it was so buggy :(
20:12:22 <doy> The ghoul throws a silver runed elven javelin. The silver runed elven javelin hits your ghoul. The silver sears your ghoul!
20:12:25 <doy> _Your ghoul is destroyed!
20:12:27 <doy> this also seems wrong
20:25:49 <bmh> I'm tempted to make a Dungeon Sprint macro... right right down right right up up right right down down right right up up
20:26:35 <TGW> not down down down down down 0100qy right 0100qy up up up up up?
20:26:44 <bmh> 0100qy?
20:26:54 <TGW> mandatory fountain action
20:39:55 <doy> the lorocyproca and the metal gargoyle are really annoying
20:40:38 <doy> hit too hard to take out in melee, and high magic resistance
20:44:19 <dpeg> doy: what combo and god?
20:44:25 <doy> dpeg: spen of sif
20:44:31 <dpeg> ah, I see
20:44:34 <doy> sif probably wasn't the best choice
20:44:36 * due TrBe.
20:44:53 <dpeg> TrBe can solve anything, as long as you can call the brothers.
20:45:24 <Twinge> doy: No big-zombie wyverns/anacondas for 0.6? :(
20:45:47 <dpeg> Twinge: does not matter much. It will be in 0.7.
20:46:38 <dpeg> nights all
20:46:39 <Twinge> dpeg: Matters enough IMO; it's been a legitimate semi-common complaint since at least 0.5.2 AFAIK, and is easy to add...
20:46:54 <dpeg> Twinge: I am fine with either direction.
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20:48:27 <TGW> shouldn't you talk to doy
20:50:23 <Twinge> TGW: <Twinge> doy: No big-zombie wyverns/anacondas for 0.6? :(  <-- :P  We'd touched on it briefly before; he said putting in the full monster weight/size/zombie fixes for 0.6 was unnecessary, which I agreed with, but I'd like to see the 3 small fixes (those 2 and giving trapdoor spider a description) for 0.6, which I made a mini-patch for already but haven't heard anything else about it since.
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20:50:51 <TGW> it turns out I can't read when I'm sleepy
20:53:57 <DrPraetor> ??baby alligator
20:53:57 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled baby_alligator in my learndb.
20:54:03 <DrPraetor> @??baby alligator
20:54:03 <Gretell> baby alligator (02t) | Speed: 12 (swim: 60%) | HD: 7 | Health: 21-56 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Damage: 20 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 263.
20:54:20 <due> ##crawl is over tehre. ;)
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20:54:51 * DrPraetor starts spamming directly into due's mind.
20:55:03 <doy> Twinge: for patches where it doesn't matter whether they go into 0.6 or not, i'm leaning toward the side of not including it
20:55:14 <doy> and this issue really isn't important
20:55:24 <due> Twinge: and pestering about them will just annoy :)
20:55:28 <doy> regardless of how many times you keep repeating that you think it's important
20:55:33 * due skedaddle.
20:56:43 <DrPraetor> It's not a bug, it's a feature.  Being killed by a small-zombie-wyvern is classic YASD #412.
20:57:41 <doy> there are plenty of things more dangerous than wyvern zombies
20:57:48 <doy> i really don't know why people fixate on this so much
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21:03:08 <DrPraetor> Is there a doc on the wiki that has all the book contents?
21:03:28 <bmh> Dungeon Sprint should have a "reset button"
21:04:36 <Twinge> doy: Don't believe I've really repeated it much; we just talked about the initial big everything patch before and that was about it - where I was mentally making 0.6 an important target for _developmental_ stuff, which it isn't, and agreed that it didn't need to go in when I realized that.  It's important enough that it's been FRed and I've seen at least half a dozen seperate people comment on it, so it seems a widespread enough concern to
21:05:14 <Twinge> make the cut to me, and dpeg is also fine with it.  But this'll be my final commentary on the issue I guess, so it's obviously your call; it's be good though, honest! :)
21:07:32 <TGW> it is absurd that priests of zin do not have enough mp to use recite
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21:25:35 <DrPraetor> So there's no documentation for the book contents in 0.6?  I suppose I can pop open the source.
21:26:42 <TGW> ?/i
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21:44:40 <TGW> is there a reason the range display can't just be a numbe?
21:44:42 <TGW> r
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21:45:48 <doy> numbers are evil
21:45:53 <doy> haven't you learned anything
21:46:09 <TGW> but the display IS numbers
21:46:16 <TGW> just expressed in unary
21:46:46 <TGW> we've been getting confusion forever about it, it's harder to read
21:46:50 <TGW> and you're not adding any more information
21:47:13 <TGW> if it's not that, I don't understand why numbers are bad
21:47:56 <doy> numbers have the issue of not knowing whether they are one-based or zero-based, among other things
21:48:22 <TGW> hm?
21:48:25 <doy> i mean, it is "just a number in unary" in some sense, but it's also a graphical representation of the range
21:48:43 <doy> if it says "range 2", does that include the player's tile, or not?
21:49:05 <sorear> @..g  only two dots, is he in range?
21:50:02 <TGW> how about a parenthetical number if you're so attached
21:50:15 <doy> what?
21:50:24 <TGW> @----> (5)
21:50:47 <doy> that seems like the worst of both worlds
21:50:51 <sorear> but that would take up even more space
21:50:53 <sorear> isn
21:51:00 <sorear> isn't the point of decimal compactness
21:51:04 <TGW> ...it is not taking up much space
21:51:11 <TGW> the point is legibility
21:51:25 <TGW> @----> requires counting dashes
21:52:28 <sorear> (5) requires counting grids
21:52:34 <TGW> so does yours
21:52:40 <sorear> @----> is just spatial memory
21:53:13 <sorear> the range display should, if possible, look like the *actual map*
21:53:27 <sorear> if we turn the map into numbers someday, the range display should follow suit
21:53:29 <doy> yes
21:53:36 <TGW> maybe it should be on the actual map
21:53:40 <sorear> it is
21:53:55 <TGW> I'm talking about II if you're unsure
21:53:58 <TGW> I don't think the average person could draw, say, a three centimeter line on command
21:54:04 <doy> what?
21:54:12 <doy> what exactly is that relevant to?
21:54:19 <TGW> looking at a line of length n, and mentally putting it somewhere else
21:54:23 <sorear> the average person can, if shown one line, draw another line of the same length
21:54:35 <sorear> TGW: that's not the same as counting out cm
21:54:35 <TGW> but there's no way to look at the lines side by side
21:54:42 <doy> especially if the line is made up of less than 10 discrete segments
21:54:43 <TGW> sorear: you don't give them a ruler
21:55:02 <TGW> you show them a line on a piece of paper, take it away, and tell them to draw it
21:55:10 <doy> TGW: what are you talking about
21:55:39 <TGW> the @-----> range display is not the map
21:55:43 <doy> i seriously don't understand how this is even remotely relevant
21:55:57 <sorear> the @----> range display isn't measured in centimeters
21:56:02 <sorear> or anything else
21:56:08 <TGW> it's measured in tiles
21:56:09 <sorear> you're the one who insists on counting
21:56:17 <sorear> to me, it's just geometry
21:56:19 <TGW> sort of like the game
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21:56:41 <sorear> how about we use a continuous line
21:56:47 <doy> there's a huge difference between tiles, which are discrete and quite small in number, and an arbitrary line measured in centimeters
21:57:01 <sorear> instead of dashes
21:57:09 <doy> enough so that your analogy isn't even close to relevant to the current discussion
21:57:14 <TGW> doy: discreteness only assists in counting
21:57:27 <doy> no
21:57:34 <TGW> oh ok you're right then
21:57:47 <doy> discreteness also means that there are discrete lengths that are valid
21:57:56 <doy> you can't have a range of 4.5
21:58:34 <doy> anyway, the point is
21:58:48 <doy> so the map looks like this: @...g
21:59:02 <doy> you look at your spell screen, and see a '4'
21:59:06 <doy> what does that mean?
21:59:35 <doy> it's not nearly as clear as an actual depiction of the range as it is on the map
22:00:16 <pointless_> Well if the g is at an angle to you I don't think the range display in I!  (@----->) will be particularly useful in judging the distance. Of course this is why we have range shading
22:00:19 <TGW> @..
22:00:19 <TGW> ...
22:00:19 <TGW> .g.
22:00:23 <TGW> so say your map looks like that
22:00:35 <doy> pointless_: if the g is at an angle, i don't think a number would be any more useful
22:00:39 <sorear> TGW: I can rotate and scale lines in my head, can't you?
22:00:46 <doy> TGW: okay, so the map looks like that
22:00:51 <doy> and you see a range of '2'
22:00:54 <doy> what does that mean?
22:01:03 <doy> is it in range?
22:01:05 <pointless_> doy: I don't either, I think both options are actually pretty useless, and range shading is the useful UI element we have
22:01:06 <TGW> two distinct spaces
22:01:28 <doy> pointless_: yeah, i only really use the range shading too
22:01:43 <doy> TGW: that's a meaningless phrase
22:02:00 <TGW> I'm eager to learn how
22:02:04 <doy> what does 'distinct' mean?
22:02:10 <doy> in this context
22:02:38 <TGW> easily separated
22:02:41 <TGW> cells
22:03:42 <TGW> it is very difficult to see @--->, move your eye several inches to the left, rotate it, and determine from that whether the enemy is in los
22:03:53 <TGW> just as it is difficult to see @---> and quickly figure out how far that is from edge of los
22:03:57 <TGW> I'm not making this up, try it
22:04:41 <doy> but a number wouldn't make that any better
22:04:46 <TGW> you're going to be counting anyway; if you're given a number, you only count once
22:05:00 <doy> but it's not clear at all what you're counting
22:05:06 <doy> whereas it is with the picture
22:05:06 <pointless_> Actually I'm going to try and cast the spell and look at hte range shading
22:05:58 <doy> TGW: from another perspective, believe me, there is no way you're going to get this one past dpeg d:
22:06:28 <TGW> a mathematician who can't stand numbers
22:06:37 <TGW> where do you guys find these people :|
22:06:52 <doy> TGW: do you actually know any mathematicians?
22:06:58 <doy> very few of them use numbers d:
22:09:20 <TGW> what's dpeg do?
22:10:07 <doy> algebraic geometry
22:14:28 <purge> doesn't he have an impressive title
22:14:55 <purge> everyone has heard those math terms before!
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22:23:52 <DrPraetor> @??snapping turtle
22:23:52 <Gretell> snapping turtle (03t) | Speed: 9 (act: 80%; swim: 60%) | HD: 10 | Health: 30-90 | AC/EV: 16/5 | Damage: 30(reach) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 281.
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22:39:31 <due> Need Vehumet complaints.
22:43:06 <felirx> numbers are for physics and statistics
22:46:51 <CIA-40> 03due * r36dd705a79d2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Add missing Donald speech for Vehumet.
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22:52:12 <TGW> You walk carefully through the plants.
22:52:14 <TGW> is that known?
22:53:32 <doy> ?
22:53:40 <due> Naga?
22:54:02 <due> @whereis TGW
22:54:02 <Gretell> TGW the Frost Mage (L11 KoIE), a worshipper of Fedhas, is currently on Lair:2 after 18561 turns.
22:54:13 <TGW> fedding through a plant
22:54:15 <TGW> one plant
22:54:37 <due> I'll fix both.
22:54:42 <due> Nagas don't walk.
22:54:58 <due> doy: Can you cherry-pick the Donald vehumet speech? Not very important, though.
22:55:19 <TGW> it might also happen with lev
22:55:20 <pointless_> The message is given once you enter a plant from a non-plant square, and it's not smart enough to know whether or not you will walk through more plants
22:55:22 <TGW> but I won't guarantee anything
22:55:40 <TGW> how about "you begin fooing through plants?"
22:56:00 <TGW> makes it clearer what's going on
22:56:05 <pointless_> I really don't care
22:56:08 <due> pointless_: Ahhh, "move" might still be better?
22:56:14 <due> I'm happy with plants.
22:56:40 <pointless_> If there isn't some way to get a species specific verb, then move would be good
22:56:48 <greensnark> Yay Dungeon Sprint!
22:56:55 * greensnark dives in.
22:56:59 <pointless_> there is something for nagas curling up at altars iirc, so maybe there is some appropriate function around
22:57:46 <TGW> you enter a plant?
22:58:08 <pointless_> I mean I think consensus is the plant goes up your ass, so ...
22:58:20 <TGW> so the plant enters you
22:58:27 <doy> greensnark: 78291 already won at least once, you're a bit late
22:58:28 <doy> (:
22:58:35 <TGW> someone learn portal
22:59:28 <greensnark> No pressure on me to get first win, then :P
23:01:04 <TGW> what happens if you take stairs in a portal vault?
23:02:37 <greensnark> You leave the vault
23:02:56 <TGW> it's like a portal exit?
23:03:53 <greensnark> TGW: Yes
23:03:59 <TGW> ok
23:04:11 <greensnark> It's recommended to use real exit portals though
23:04:53 <TGW> yeah
23:05:29 <Ashenzari> Breath weapons in forms (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=984) by OG17
23:06:23 <TGW> fire-breathing pigs are too funny to remove
23:08:29 <greensnark> I agree
23:08:48 <greensnark> My favourite was Maurice the giant blowfly casting spells
23:08:53 <greensnark> That should not be changed
23:09:19 <TGW> did he steal stuff?
23:09:21 <TGW> @??maurie
23:09:21 <Gretell> unknown monster: "maurie"
23:09:23 <TGW> @??maurice
23:09:23 <Gretell> Maurice (03@) | Speed: 11 | HD: 5 | Health: 60 | AC/EV: 1/13 | Damage: 9 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(26) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 463 | Sp: invisibility, blink, teleport self.
23:09:35 <greensnark> He didn't steal stuff as a blowfly, no
23:09:41 <greensnark> But I wasn't encouraging him to try
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23:13:44 <greensnark> Hehe, LordSloth being naughty on SA by posting milestones from Sprint :P
23:14:15 <greensnark> 'There was a point in time when they went too far in spawning rates, I think accidentally. Regardless, they've listened to you complaints and taken appropriate measures. ##crawl posted: <Gretell> dpeg (L11 TrBe) killed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra. (D:1)'
23:21:43 <purge> greensnark are you dead yet? (hrhrhr pun intended)
23:22:15 <sorear> What happens if you hit TLH with a blade?
23:23:35 <greensnark> purge: Several times
23:28:54 <purge> hah you died to poison! :D
23:28:56 <purge> on a mummy
23:29:08 <purge> nice one
23:30:52 <TGW> does it actually spawn mummies?
23:30:55 <TGW> erm
23:31:00 <TGW> hydras
23:31:02 <TGW> hydrae
23:34:25 <greensnark> Who died to poison?
23:35:04 <TGW> !lg * ktyp=~poison race=mummy
23:35:16 <Henzell> No games for * (ktyp=~poison race=mummy).
23:35:20 <due> pois
23:35:21 <greensnark> !lg * Mu ktyp=pois
23:35:22 <Henzell> No games for * (Mu ktyp=pois).
23:35:30 <TGW> !lg mu ktyp=pois
23:35:31 <Henzell> No games for TGW (mu ktyp=pois).
23:35:33 <greensnark> Pretty hard for Mu to die to poison since they can't be poisoned
23:35:39 <due> !lg * ktyp=pois
23:35:47 <Henzell> 20097. Moose the Carver (L12 DSBe), worshipper of Trog, succumbed to poison on Lair:8 on 2010-03-01, with 17595 points after 19920 turns and 0:58:45.
23:35:48 <greensnark> Maybe he meant venom bolt damage
23:35:48 <TGW> well, PA combined with developmental oversight
23:35:52 <TGW> might make it possible
23:36:09 <greensnark> Probably he just meant damage from one of the poison spells
23:36:11 <TGW> dying to naga spit with rpois is pretty humiliating
23:36:37 <TGW> is there a way to search for mu's games?
23:36:42 <TGW> oh he's itsmu
23:39:35 <doy> !lg * name=mu
23:39:36 <Henzell> No games for * (name=mu).
23:39:43 <TGW> !lg itsmu
23:39:44 <Henzell> 190. itsmu the Meteorologist (L27 HEAE), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2010-01-21, with 2781296 points after 130622 turns and 12:39:44.
23:39:55 <sorear> !lg * race=mu ktyp=pois
23:39:56 <Henzell> No games for * (race=mu ktyp=pois).
23:40:01 <sorear> !lg * race=gh ktyp=pois
23:40:01 <Henzell> No games for * (race=gh ktyp=pois).
23:40:03 <TGW> SA makes me sad because it thinks sandblast is good
23:40:13 <sorear> sandblast *is* good
23:40:14 <greensnark> Sandblast is good :P
23:40:26 <due> it is good?
23:40:27 <TGW> ok, "the strongest level 1/2 attack spell in the game"
23:40:33 <sorear> it's a pity that the only class that gets it, doesn't have *another* good spell
23:40:38 <doy> i should try an ee someday
23:40:41 <greensnark> It is a very strong spell with stones
23:40:45 <TGW> doy: you shouldn't :p
23:40:56 <sorear> EEs have nothing that can really hurt orc warriors
23:40:58 <greensnark> It's usable all the way up to XL 15 and such
23:41:05 <TGW> I heard LRD is dandy now
23:41:15 <greensnark> I tried using it on Xtahua once, that didn't work so well :P
23:41:23 <greensnark> !lm . TrEE uniq=Xtahua
23:41:25 <Henzell> 1. [2008-07-21] greensnark the Devastator (L17 TrEE) killed Xtahua on turn 81832. (D:24)
23:41:34 <greensnark> I had to cheap out on Xtahua
23:41:36 <sorear> I saw an orc warlord kill Xtahua with thrown clubs once
23:41:42 <greensnark> That was with the 0.4 skill bug
23:41:44 <sorear> those things, *they* are overpowered
23:42:02 <greensnark> I was all: "Man, I'm such an awesome player - TrEE are so easy"
23:42:08 <doy> the 0.4 skill bug was fun
23:42:09 <greensnark> And then sorear mentions the skill bug :P
23:42:10 <doy> (:
23:42:21 <sorear> oh nice
23:42:23 <TGW> what was it?
23:42:34 <doy> TGW: incorrect roundoff somewhere
23:42:38 <sorear> nobody ever remembers that the skill bug was my first code contribution to Crawl
23:43:03 <sorear> instead, I get credit for finding it
23:43:17 <sorear> doy: incorrect fixed point division, actually
23:43:31 <sorear> one missing zero multiplies all skill increases by 10
23:43:36 <greensnark> Well finding it was the important thing :P
23:43:44 <greensnark> Anybody could have fixed it once found
23:43:55 <greensnark> But nobody else noticed :)
23:44:12 <greensnark> Everyone else was thinking "LOL, we're great players!"
23:44:20 <greensnark> At least I was :/
23:44:48 <TGW> google claims skills train "ten times as fast"
23:44:54 <doy> i played a spen, and was like "hmmm, i don't *think* i remember having 5 maxed skills by zot, but..."
23:45:10 <TGW> it seems more likely nobody wanted to notice it :P
23:46:05 <sorear> !lm * sklev=27 min=turn
23:46:20 <doy> i think it was something like "ten times as fast, when your pool xp was sufficiently low"
23:46:27 <Henzell> 45937. [2008-07-27] sorear the Avatar (L13 DSCK) reached level 10 of the Lair of Beasts on turn 22168. (Lair:10)
23:46:36 <doy> heh
23:47:01 <sorear> !lm * sklev=27 min=turn -2 x=v
23:47:02 <Henzell> 45936. [2008-07-27] [v=0.4.1] sorear the Avatar (L13 DSCK) entered the Orcish Mines on turn 23369. (Orc:1)
23:47:07 <sorear> !lm * sklev=27 min=turn -3 x=v
23:47:08 <Henzell> 45935. [2008-07-17] [v=0.5-a] Leibowitz the Executioner (L15 MDBe) killed Joseph on turn 26702. (D:16)
23:47:25 <sorear> !lm * sklev=27 min=turn -4 x=v
23:47:26 <Henzell> 45934. [2008-07-29] [v=0.4.1] spaakko the Executioner (L15 MDFi) killed the ghost of JoeBWan the Fencer, a powerful MDPa on turn 26927. (Lair:9)
23:47:32 <sorear> !lm * sklev=27 min=turn -5 x=v
23:47:33 <Henzell> 45933. [2008-07-25] [v=0.4.1] sorear the Executioner (L14 MiCK) entered the Vaults on turn 26961. (Vault:1)
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23:59:24 <Cryp71c> Howdy everyone.
23:59:43 <Cryp71c> Watching Terminator Salvation while I try and do a bit of DS work :P
23:59:48 <Cryp71c> sorear, don't suppose you're there?