00:02:08 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 00:07:52 back 00:09:37 Moin! 00:09:47 'lo Napkin :) 00:09:56 Textmode :) 00:13:52 Supposedly no icy roads today \o/ 00:17:26 -!- raydarken has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:26 ??mantis 00:39:26 mantis[1/2]: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/ 00:39:43 I find training armour rather difficult now.. 00:40:20 I need to wear a tiny "heavy armour" like a ring mail - otherwise I won't be able to hit anything 00:40:35 Can I trust mantis to not spam me, or sell my email to 3rd parties? :D 00:41:11 but with these tiny "heavy armour" I am training Dodging much more than Armour, it seems.. 00:41:29 selling? no.. spamming? depends on your activity ;) 00:41:39 :P 00:42:24 no, of course your email is treated with most discretion, Textmode :) 00:42:49 I hate spam myself 00:43:47 how many people have access to the mantis email file? 00:43:52 you, Eronarn, me, due, ? 00:44:16 and thus begins a new an magical age of...me probably doing nothing useful, but I have amantis account now, regardless :D 00:54:14 you have access to it, sorear? 00:54:26 actually, all devs have 00:54:37 in case they need to reach one of the registered people 00:54:50 now that I think about it.. 00:54:56 You have, sorear, right? 00:55:21 congrats, Textmode :D 00:56:24 :) 00:57:55 Napkin: I don't actually know, I'm just going on the "I have read access to /" principle 00:58:16 * Textmode is trying to find a good issue to look into. 00:58:19 I just checked 00:58:42 only "Administrators" have access to the list of people 00:59:22 Keskitalo, dpeg, jpeg and me 01:01:09 I can't find anything about accounts at all 01:02:47 ja, I was just a bit confused 01:03:04 do you think it would be useful to have the username be a mailto-link? 01:03:48 not very 01:03:50 for people in group >= devs 01:03:57 i'm not sure 01:04:01 only if you can do that only for people who are logged in 01:04:03 people who go through the trouble of registering an account tend to pay attention to notes 01:04:10 doy: for people in group >= devs 01:04:23 true 01:04:29 it would be AWESOME if you could allow emailing for anonymous reports :p 01:04:35 additionally there's the "send reminder" function 01:04:48 lol 01:05:11 no anonymous reports :-P 01:05:22 hey, even cbus has an account now ;) 01:06:08 hey, somebody turned off o+r on /var/www/crawl.develz.org/mantis/ 01:06:38 on the day of the installation, yes :-P 01:13:21 why, would you like to poke around, sorear? 01:14:20 I'm confirming the statement I made 01:14:28 hi 01:14:31 It seems to have been wrong 01:14:49 Moin due :) 01:15:03 I don't understand, sorear? 01:15:40 Assuming that Mantis works like the other PHP systems I've played with, it keeps its database inside the install directory in a htaccess-denied directory, and thus, since the mantis directory is not world readable, I can't scrape emails from the database 01:15:56 I suspected that me and due could see emails by virtue of crawl@ 01:16:09 heh 01:16:16 oh, it's using a mysql database 01:16:36 did I miss anything? 01:17:15 and the authenication data is definitely not world-readable ;) 01:17:31 due: Textmode> Can I trust mantis to not spam me, or sell my email to 3rd parties? :D 01:17:46 that's the continuation of talkig about that ;) 01:18:38 so its all completely on topic, you see :P 01:18:45 sooo tired 01:19:33 !send due fresh hot black tea with lemon 01:19:33 Sending fresh hot black tea with lemon to due. 01:21:11 I had a weird auto-explore bug yesterday 01:21:32 I just got teleported.. and when activating auto-explore again my char ran to previous location first and then continued to clear up unknown area instead of clearing up the area right around him :-O 01:22:08 that's a new one, isn't it? 01:22:10 fun 01:35:35 due: Do you know why skeletons give more exp tham zombies, or why human zombies/skeletons are seemingly special cased to have more HD? 01:39:50 is there a developer wiki/resource? 01:40:37 http://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start 01:45:17 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:35 Twinge_: No idea, sorry. 01:51:41 Twinge_: Skeletons are faster than zombies though. 01:53:34 @??centaur skeleton 01:53:35 centaur skeleton (15Z) | Speed: 13 | HD: 4 | Health: 21-36 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Damage: 8 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(0), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 90. 01:53:40 @??centaur zombie 01:53:41 centaur zombie (07Z) | Speed: 13 | HD: 4 | Health: 25-43 | AC/EV: 1/2 | Damage: 8 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 61. 01:53:46 really? 01:54:48 doy: I've always beelieved this to be the case. 01:54:54 Zombies are slow but have more HP. 01:54:58 Skeletons are fast but fragile. 01:57:48 zombies are just better in every way 01:57:57 that's why you need a higher level spell to make them 02:06:44 If they were faster I'd have something of an explanation, hehe 02:06:56 (Since speed is weighed in the formula pretty heavily) 02:07:15 hm 02:07:18 I'm still sure they're faster. 02:07:22 @??human skeleton 02:07:22 human skeleton (15z) | Speed: 8 | HD: 8 | Health: 5-77 | AC/EV: 0/4 | Damage: 8 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(0), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 111. 02:07:24 @??human zombie 02:07:24 human zombie (07z) | Speed: 8 | HD: 7 | Health: 6-98 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Damage: 8 | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 03poison | XP: 73. 02:07:29 I could be wrooong. 02:30:01 humans are the only exception to the pattern I've seen so far, and that's only a small HD difference 02:45:36 meow 02:46:21 kilobyte: apparently crocodiles are submerging in the ground :) 02:46:33 due: oif 02:47:04 Is there a reason not to add a hard time limit of 1 billion time units (~100M turns)? Or perhaps 2 billions (<2^31)? 02:47:37 03by * r5536d4fd448b 10/crawl-ref/source/message.cc: Restore condensing of multi-turn messages. 02:48:02 No recorded game reaches that. There's one 92M turns long, but then all other mummy scums with all skills maxxed are below 10M. 02:48:51 is there a reason to add a hard limit? 02:48:56 and I've been running a bot that does nothing than '55555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555', as a long macro to avoid UI delays 02:49:26 it's at 69M after using 100% CPU on a fast machine for the whole night 02:49:38 due: we'd be able to use absolute time safely 02:49:53 sure, we can use 64 bit ints, but it would be easy to make a mistake 02:51:00 the current code uses doubles in a few places, but that's wrong since adding small numbers to floats ends up adding nothing after a while 02:51:01 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.] 02:52:13 kilobyte: adding small numbers to long works (portably) up to 2^31, then gives an entirely wrong result. 02:52:33 kilobyte: adding small numbers to double works portably up to 2^53 or 2^54 02:52:54 note that Lua has no integer type - all those loops in dungeon lua code are actually using doubles 02:55:32 it works longer using integers, you don't have exponents to take space 02:56:21 (64 bit int vs 64 bit double, or 32 bit int vs 32 bit float) 02:57:20 wait... do you mean Lua has no ints at all??? 03:01:07 kilobyte: I believe none. 03:03:06 yay speed 03:17:38 lua is dynamically typed 03:18:32 anything you gained by using integers, you would lose on branch prediction testing the "is an integer" flag in every op 03:19:06 kilobyte: 64 bit ints are not available portably enough for Crawl 03:19:08 doubles are 03:19:29 Lua defines only one numerical type: 'number', in the default distrobution, number is a double precision float. 03:19:49 it can, ofcause, be defined as a different type. 03:22:05 do we support any architectures without 64 bit ints? 03:25:15 there's no such thing 03:25:24 however 03:25:35 we support non-C99 platforms 03:25:44 int64_t is not available on Windows 03:25:50 /MSVC 03:26:23 MSVC is non-compliant, who would of thought? 03:26:49 * sorear checks if we already have a portability shim for this 03:27:14 I checked on DJGPP on DOS, it has stdint.h which works just fine. 03:27:20 sizeof(uint64_t) == 8 03:27:48 it's long long I think 03:28:37 MSVC doesn't have 64 bit longs even on win64 (!), but it does have long longs 03:28:50 although I can't check right now 03:29:15 of course DJGPP would 03:29:19 DJGPP is just gcc 03:29:38 aye, only suckier. 03:29:40 __int64 03:29:46 except for MSVC, every other platform we support is just using some gcc port 03:29:52 although no clue if it's actually 64bits 03:30:06 kobold's first dart is "glowing", the others are not (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=686) by rob 03:30:30 wait, a type NAMED __int64 being of a different size than 64 bits? :p 03:30:46 it sholud be but microsoft... 03:30:51 you never know! 03:31:19 Personally I think we should be using uint_least64_t 03:31:22 I believe the standard only defines that such types be *at least* the mentioned width 03:31:44 they are allowed to be larger. 03:31:49 Textmode: there are 3 groups of types, exact width, minimum width (space optimize), mininum width (time optimize) 03:32:14 on a PDP-10 with 18 bit bytes, uint64_t will not exist, the other two will be 72 bits 03:32:25 the standard defines int64_t and uint64_t (with that silly _t suffix) which have to be exactly 64 bits or be undefined 03:32:27 Oh, well if you say so. I'm better at lua anyway :P 03:33:14 I have typedef unsigned __int64 uint64_t in one of my projects for code consistency and msvc+gcc compliance 03:33:22 under #ifdef _MSC_VEC 03:33:40 uint64_t is C99 and POSIX 03:33:45 not just gcc 03:33:52 -!- purge has quit [Quit: .] 03:34:08 POSIX.2001 IIRC 03:34:48 * sorear thinks too few people care enough about integer sizes 03:34:49 Yay Microsoft, they put the MSVC download behind a silverlight thingy. 03:36:35 yeah, i noticed that... 03:36:40 obnoxious 03:36:56 silverlight? 03:38:38 due: that's basically ActiveX for .NET 03:39:01 ... ew 03:39:10 "ActiveX" in any context makes me come out in hives 03:40:06 so you understand mine and Textmode's reaction 03:41:18 because activeX was sucha successful technology in the first place 03:44:32 If the mono project produces something similar for gecko-engine browsers, I suggest the name "Cherenkov" :P 03:47:47 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:03 hi 03:49:02 "0000296: Highlight spells your god dislikes in red" <-- how hard do you think that would be to implement? would that be a good one to start with? 03:49:12 by: hello :) 03:49:19 Textmode: There's a function that prints spells. 03:49:27 And colourises them 03:49:35 I think it's the same for everything, checkout spl-book.h 03:49:44 coolbeans 03:50:50 by: that glowing ammunition thing is driving me bonkers :| 03:51:00 due: yes, sorry 03:51:27 is it even clear how it should behave? 03:51:40 enchanted or branded unidentified ammunition should be glowing 03:51:49 otherwise plain ammunition should not be glowing 03:52:05 i think there's a 1-in-3 chance of enchant ammunition being described as glowing. 03:52:14 but that shouldn't affect stacks 03:52:21 and ego-identified but not-plus-identified ammo, should that be glowing? 03:52:28 yes 03:52:33 nor should it affect copying a stack and reducing its quantity to one as the throwing code oes 03:52:39 so "glowing darts of reaping" is fine 03:52:41 moin rob - gee, you are fast! already fixed :D 03:52:42 yeah 03:53:02 "glowing dart of flame" is good because it says "hey, it's of flame, but it might be more!" 03:53:15 Napkin: the multi-turn thing? 03:53:20 yeah :) 03:53:23 spellbook_contents(...)? 03:53:25 thanks! 03:53:38 Textmode: Give me a moment to read something 03:53:45 Textmode: there might be multiple functions... 03:53:47 np. 03:53:49 Text: Start with the hardest and implement the changed Fedhas restrictions ;) 03:53:59 heh - due is rotation again? too much black tea! :> 03:54:04 *rotating 03:54:26 don't listen to the Twinge guy :> 03:54:46 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:51 uhm, what's the point in displaying "glowing" if it already has a known brand? 03:55:01 +5 darts? 03:55:12 Twinge_: :P 03:55:35 kilobyte: +5 darts of flaming? 03:55:48 glowing means it either has non-0 enchantment or a brand. Since it is flaming, "glowing" gives no further information. 03:56:02 sb contents() certainly looks the part... 03:56:07 ... 03:56:22 glowing could also mean it has both, kilobyte 03:56:36 Textmode: inspect_spells is the other one 03:56:38 why not keep it glowing even if one of these attributes is figured out? 03:56:46 due: also, the ego is revealed after the first throw, so a kobold will throw a glowing dart, and a dart of reaping second turn; is that as intended? 03:56:51 Textmode: which is in spl-cast.cc 03:57:07 by: I'm unsure; that's unlienked, though. 03:57:09 *unlinked 03:57:36 it would probably be nicer if the first dart already revealed the ego 03:57:39 Textmode: list_spells 03:57:56 Textmode: Yeah, thought so; they're coloured differently. 03:58:01 list_spells is the I menu 03:58:06 re glowing dart of fire, we could drop the glowing just if it's +0 03:58:19 by: it will drpo the glowing if it's just +0 03:58:42 how is done with "normal" weapons? 03:58:45 just need to wrap my head around how this works, but this looks doable. 03:58:56 thanks due :) 03:58:58 well, why? It still does glow, but you have no clue why it does. 03:59:40 Textmode: Basically, you just need to add checks for usefulness: swiftness for spriggans should be greyed out completely; spells your god dislikes should be red. 04:00:36 thats a good point on spprigans, and I was speaking more generally. I don't have much familiarity with the codebase, or its conventions :P 04:01:06 * Textmode must resist the urge to comment everything in sight... 04:01:38 focus, young padawan ;) 04:01:46 :D 04:02:14 well, just write a function to return a colour depdent on usefulness! 04:02:52 I'm not quite sure I understnad the relevant of RBOOK_USE_STAFF... 04:03:33 Textmode: Listing the spells in a rod uses the same screen as I. 04:03:51 ah 04:04:06 Are player minotaurs classed as large or medium? 04:04:23 are color constants ints? 04:04:34 Textmode: enum, check out defines.h 04:04:40 ah 04:10:10 LIGHTBLUE is useful 04:10:16 RED or MAGENTA = evil for your god 04:10:18 DARKGREY = useless 04:10:47 should define these somewhere: COL_USEFUL, COL_USELESS or so 04:10:57 by: Sound slike a good iea, actually. 04:11:52 due: do you want me to give the "glowing" bug I reported a try? 04:11:57 Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.6.0-a1-3072-g5536d4f (16.3) 04:12:19 is 'spell_type' the type i should be passing to a function to get info on that spell (I'm defining a god_likes_spell(god, spell) function) 04:12:30 looks like it should be... 04:16:53 by: please do! 04:16:54 Textmode: yes 04:21:55 wait, this is C. switch/case exists :D 04:24:06 due: an unid'd +0 dagger of venom ("glowing dagger") will become a "glowing dagger of venom" after wielding it; hence I'd just keep the glowing for missiles until their pluses are known, if just for consistency 04:25:21 hmm, the god constants are in enum...wheres the actual god data? (though I don't hink I need it yet...) 04:27:09 Textmode: grep GOD_OKAWARU *.cc 04:27:23 fair enough... 04:27:38 it's all over the god*.cc and religion.cc and some other places 04:31:21 by: that's fine 04:32:38 "Xom of Gnomic Intent" 04:33:33 theres no fixed god table, it seems to be mostly defined though various data functions related to gods? 04:33:46 Textmode: yup. 04:33:57 this will be fun :P 04:35:38 yup. 04:36:37 03by * r34b625bafae6 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Identify missile ego before throwing message. 04:36:41 03by * ra2367277a16a 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Simplify handling of glowing missiles. 04:37:26 -!- by has quit [Quit: later] 04:37:40 Thanks, rob. 04:38:24 due, sorear: about the hard time limit, I found at least one place where Crawl will crash after 2^31 turns (turns, not aut) 04:40:53 oh? 04:40:57 * Textmode scratches head 04:41:18 strange, I saw the function on god like/dislikes with spellcasting a minute ago... 04:41:53 there is one 04:42:21 yes, I was looking at it earlier... 04:42:23 hah, got you! 04:42:23 07:12 <+sorear> (personally I think we should make going over 2 billion turns an insta-death) 04:42:27 07:13 <+due> "Outside, the world ends. Sorry, but your quest for the Orb is now rather pointless. You die..." 04:42:30 07:13 <+sorear> (it would simplify the code a lot, because currently the code is terrified of storing turncounts and just uses relative time everywhere) 04:42:58 i don't tihnk capping it is bad 04:43:07 but i don't seen any point capping it at 70 million turns 04:44:22 let's cao ut at 2 billion instead 04:44:23 --- 04:44:23 CXX godprayer.o 04:44:24 godprayer.cc: In function ‘void offer_items()’: 04:44:24 godprayer.cc:678: warning: ‘disliked_item’ may be used uninitialized in this function 04:44:27 --- 04:44:39 1 billion aut ~= 100 M turns, 2 billion would be 200 M. 04:45:15 !lg * max=turn 04:45:15 526955. Stabwound the Farming Skullcrusher (L27 MuSu), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 111 runes on 2008-03-09, with 9425283 points after 92568259 turns and 128:15:16. 04:45:17 !lg * max=turn -2 04:45:18 526955. Tityrus the Farming Blocker (L24 MDPa), worshipper of The Shining One, drowned on D:21 on 2008-12-23, with 379462 points after 16862099 turns and 8:03:16. 04:45:20 Napkin: hm 04:45:22 this one is a bug 04:45:26 !lg * max=turn -3 04:45:27 526954. KiloByte the Invulnerable Farmer (L27 MuFi), worshipper of Okawaru, escaped with the Orb and 16 runes on 2008-12-03, with 2213368 points after 8213459 turns and 32:23:58. 04:45:40 due? 04:45:47 bug? 04:46:18 Napkin: will fix, unless someone lse is on it 04:46:34 ah, the warning.. of course :) 04:46:37 !log * max=turn -2 04:46:37 526955. Tityrus, XL24 MDPa, T:16862099: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Tityrus/morgue-Tityrus-20081223-105013.txt 04:46:41 thanks :) 04:47:17 just forced everyone to "a236727" apart from the ones still at 4afa74bf0 (last before AC/EV change) 04:47:28 no notes between t=81049 and t=16858802 04:47:28 Master branch on CDO updated to: 0.6.0-a1-3074-ga236727 (16.3) 04:47:46 ah, it's just a warning 04:47:46 huh, I wonder what happend 04:47:55 he didn't get any noticeable exp between so he wasn't farming 04:48:17 it's a trunk game from 2008 04:49:09 and? 04:49:24 ...come on, I was just looking at that function earlier, where is it? ;_; 04:49:47 * Textmode read the open files, again 04:53:04 hooray for a full recompile 05:02:50 ah, godconduct.cc:did_god_conduct(), duh. 05:03:06 :) 05:06:31 case GOD_TROG: hates_spell = true; break; 05:06:36 heh. 05:06:44 gotta loove trog <# 05:06:47 :) 05:07:18 Somehow my infinate procession of spellcasters could never warm up to the lovable lug. :P 05:08:11 aside, should I sort these alphabetical, or according the enums? 05:09:16 are there any spells the particularly liked by gods? 05:09:27 not that i can think of. 05:09:35 Fedhas should probably like corpse rot. 05:11:11 sorear: I watched the ttyrecs. He had no show_turns on, but he got a "levitating book" shortly before saving (timestamped at 81049), levitated out of a vault, saved. The next ttyrec has a char sheet just at the start, the time shown is 16M. 05:12:15 heh, the exact number - 16*1048576 is 81k :p 05:14:42 ...huh? oh, don't tell me. spl-data is one of those odd-used header files, isn't it? 05:15:41 actually...theres probably a function to snark the info I want... 05:16:37 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:19:00 er, is spell_typematch what I want, if I want to check which school a spell is in? 05:20:54 yes 05:21:31 I pass SPTYP_* as the second parm? 05:21:50 yup 05:22:03 well, looks like it 05:22:05 check other uses 05:22:29 yeah, looks like 05:22:41 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:41 -!- Zaba has quit [Changing host] 05:22:41 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:03 wb zaba! 05:23:10 'lo waba 05:25:20 does haste have another name in the code? 05:25:38 SPELL_C 05:25:39 er 05:25:43 SPELL_HASTe, I'm pretty sure. 05:25:51 SPELL_CORONA used to be SPELL_BACKLIGHT 05:26:34 hmm, odd...can't seem to find it, even with grep... 05:27:18 SPELL_HASTE, "Haste", 05:27:24 spl-data.h:08 05:27:26 ... 208 05:27:55 yeah, but I can't find the actual casting function...where did_hasy would be... 05:28:00 hasty* 05:28:15 -!- by has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:31 fedhas hates all necromancy, right? 05:29:52 no 05:29:54 well, yes 05:29:58 Hmm, I need a spell_is_useless() to handle things like swiftness/spriggans, amnesia/sif, fly/kenku, and such... 05:30:01 but that's changing 05:30:03 maybe? 05:30:08 amnesia isn't useless for sif 05:30:11 nor is fly useless for kenku 05:30:22 nor is swiftness useless for spriggans, completely 05:30:33 right, but for the purposes of coloration? 05:30:38 Adds a loading status text to the main title screen (http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=687) by evktalo 05:30:49 kenku can only fly after a certain level, right? 05:30:51 Textmode: you can create such a spell_is_useless() 05:31:03 spell_is_useless sounds good 05:31:07 by: yes, thats what I meant 05:31:20 swiftness is useless for spriggans whose movement speed hasn't been reduced by ponderousness, encumberance, etc 05:31:38 I wonder, does swiftness help when you're slowed? 05:31:46 I shuld put it in spl_util? 05:32:08 yup 05:32:14 by: I'm not sure, I've never really looked into it. 05:34:34 sorear: actually, all times above 23 bits (8M) are clamped, since that double gets stuffed into a 32-bit float with 23 bit mantissa 05:34:36 Keskitalo: <333333 05:35:03 if(you.race == RACE_SPRIGGAN) ? 05:35:39 sorear: so Stabwound's game would suffer if it was in a modern Crawl which uses such numbers for more than merely updating stored levels and reporting 05:36:29 Textmode: I'd rather check mutation level 05:36:29 kilobyte: good point. the construct is valid, though? 05:36:29 Textmode: spriggans have that mutation fixed at 3, but everyone else can get it as well. In fact, centaurs need merely a single bump. 05:36:29 SP_SPRIGGAN 05:36:37 SP_SPRIGGAN 05:36:40 Er 05:36:44 Textmode: yeah, most other uselessness checks are done that way 05:36:45 Check enum.h more often! 05:37:27 how_mutated()? 05:37:30 I can reproduce the smiting through walls bug, is it worth posting my save to the tracker? 05:37:35 no 05:38:00 Textmode: check for the player movement speed calculation 05:38:22 Textmode: if (you.mutation[MUT_FAST] == 3 &&) 05:39:19 st__: sure; reliable way to reproduce would also be good: does any priest behind a wall smite? how about giant eyeballs paralysing? 05:40:53 other calculations? 05:41:39 Textmode: It's only useless to Spriggans if they aren't slowed by ponderous or encumbrance (or possibly Slow status, not sure about the latter). 05:41:39 and is kenku flying handled as a mutation as well? 05:41:47 Textmode: read the code? 05:42:00 slow status is probably a bit to transient... 05:42:01 * due drowns Textmode in code. 05:42:23 I don't think transience is too much of an issue. 05:42:24 besides, I'm only using this to color spells, they can still learn them if they want too 05:43:12 Sure 05:43:16 Which is why transience isn't an issue 05:43:21 not sure about eyes, but I'm on the outside of tomb:1, things in the part you get to from tomb:2 are doing it. I'm guessing anything that is smite targeted works, because sometimes something hellfires my guys 05:44:22 MUT_BIG_WINGS == fly? 05:44:39 Textmode: scroll through newgame.cc until you find SP_KENKU and the mutations they get 05:45:18 I already have more open tabs than fits on the screen :P 05:45:31 Textmode: you can also just try it out and see if it works 05:45:57 they get beak and talons...the get fly at...7th? 05:46:08 so that wouldn't be in newgame, would it? 05:46:09 Yup. 05:49:36 I'm not seeign anything obvious in mutation.cc...greping isn't giving me any obvious choices either... 05:50:32 enum.h 05:50:36 MUT_ 05:51:26 Hm, that's ddraconians. 05:52:01 yeah, I was trying to confirm that MUT_BIG_WINGS was the fly mut, by checking what kenku gain... 05:52:34 ...but I can't find where kenku get their higher level abilities... 05:54:03 * due has no idea how that code works. 05:54:42 st__: I can go to tomb 1 in wizard mode and shout all around the walls and nothing is smiting me 05:54:53 at least I don't feel so bad about not being able to figure it out :) 05:55:11